From: Theodore H Mann (thmann@juno.com)
Date: Thu Mar 30 2000 - 11:15:08 EST
I find Michael McCoy's response here quite interesting.  I hope others
will comment on this.
Best.
Ted
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:1:33 "Michael McCoy" <MMccoy7872@cs.com> writes:
> On 03/29/00, ""Blahoslav Cicel" <most@cb.cz>" wrote:
> > Hello list
> > 
> > I have a question about the use of PROFHTAI in Eph 2:20 and 3:5. 
> There is=
> >  a
> > phrase APOSTOLOI KAI PROFHTAI in both verses. The APOSTOLOI is 
> clear - th=
> > e
> > Twelve, but what about the PROFHTAI.
> > 
> > There are two hypotheses:
> > - the OT prophets (as 2Pt 3:2 uses PROFHTAI KAI APOSTOLOI)
> > - the NT recently born christian church prophets (as Jesus in Mt 
> 23:34 or=
> >  Lk
> > 11:49 uses them)
> > 
> > My question is:
> > Is there any hint in the text (in the greek), esp. in 3:5, which 
> could gi=
> > ve
> > preference to one of those hypotheses? (YES/NO).
> > 
> > If YES, what in the text gives preference to which hypotheses and 
> why?
> > If NOT I will ask later some questions about the structure of 3:5 
> to be s=
> > ure
> > of this answer.
> > 
> > Disclaimer: I have no intention to discuss prophets in the 
> today=B4s chur=
> > ch...
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Blaho, pastor in the North of Bohemia
> 
> 
> Blaho,
> 
> The two instances which you have inquired about in Ephesians both 
> fit the 
> requirements for a Granville Sharp construction.  In 2:20, TWN 
> APOSTOLWN 
> KAI PROFHTWN is the construction.  According to the Granville Sharp 
> rule, 
> PROFHTWN would be a further description of APOSTOLWN.  Paul is not 
> talking 
> about two distint groups of men, but rather, he is talking about one 
> group 
> of men.  The same would apply for Ephesians 3:5.  Some might try and 
> argue 
> that the apostles were not prophets, however, they did function as 
> prophets 
> as well.  2 Thessalonians, 2 Peter, and Revelation serve as clear 
> evidence 
> that they served as prophets, in that sense of the word prophet.
> 
> Hopefully this helps.
> 
> 
> Michael McCoy
> Pastor Little Elm Missionary Baptist Church
> Farmington, AR  72730
> MMccoy7872@cs.com     
> 
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