From: Carl W. Conrad (cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu)
Date: Fri Jul 27 2001 - 08:53:50 EDT
At 12:30 PM +0200 7/26/01, Iver Larsen wrote:
>Part of Mark 14:41 reads:
>
>KAQEUDETE TO LOIPON KAI ANAPAUESQE - APECEI.
>
>We discussed APECEI briefly in June, and I even made a comment myself. But
>now I am going through Mark 14 and stumbled over TO LOIPON.
>
>The entry for LOIPON in BDAG is curious. Under the adverbial temporal use of
>(TO) LOIPON in section 3.a. they give the following senses: "from now on, in
>the future, henceforth". But then in the same section they quote Mark 14:41
>and suggest as possible meanings:
> "you are still sleeping! or: do you intend to sleep on and on? Also poss.:
>meanwhile, you are sleeping! you are sleeping in the meantime?"
>
>Neither "still" nor "meanwhile" were listed as possible meanings of TO
>LOIPON, so why do they prop up here?
>
>Is it not possible to simply understand the sentence as an ironical command
>and indirect rebuke: "From now on you can sleep and rest! It's all over!"
>
>It seems to me that Jesus is intending to say something like: "I had wanted
>you to watch and pray with me. But you were sleeping and resting instead.
>The battle is over now, it is behind us (APECEI). Go ahead, sleep and rest
>as much as you like. It is all over and done with. You missed it." After
>that he moves on.
>
>What do you think of this interpretation?
I think this makes very good sense. I thought we'd discussed this before,
but I find
In June 1998 (6/29) I wrote under subject-heading "sarcastic?" re these verses:
>It is indeed true that both forms COULD be either indicative or imperative.
>I think the presumption here is that they are imperative.
>
>Are they sarcastic? Given the context (in 14:34 he has said to the three,
>MEINATE KAI GRHGOREITE, and then there's the sequel in 14:37-38), and given
>also the recurrent theme in Mark's gospel of the obtuseness of the
>disciples to Jesus' teaching and admonitions, I think these verbs are
>indeed sarcastic.
So yes, I think that TO LOIPON here may well be understood, "from now
onwards" and that the verb forms may be taken as sarcastic imperatives.
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