[b-greek] Re: Lk 18:13; TWi hAMARTWLWi

From: Steven Lo Vullo (doulos@merr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 01 2001 - 17:51:04 EST


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On Saturday, December 1, 2001, at 02:22 PM, Clwinbery@aol.com wrote:

> Harry, Carl's next post makes clear that what has to happen for
> apposition to
> be present is the two substantives have to be exactly the same, whether
> it is
> regular apposition or the special category some grammarians have -
> genitive
> of apposition. Now the question in Luke 18:13 is are MOI and TWi
> hAMARTWLWi
> identical. Is there more to MOI than just being a sinner. I think so,
> and
> that is what causes my hesitation to join Carl in jumping ship. The
> least we
> can say about this article is that it marks the prayer as a member of
> the
> group. Does it do more? I don't know.

Carlton:

Certainly the two substantives have to refer to the same person, but I
don't think the appositive ever really expresses the totality of the
noun to which it is in apposition. It sharpens the identification of the
person or thing or restates the identification of the person or thing in
a way that highlights a characteristic or attribute of the person or
thing that may not be obvious from the noun to which it is in
apposition. I don't think there is an attempt at an exhaustive
restatement of the person or thing. Certainly, as you ask above, there
is more to MOI than just being a sinner, but in his mind "the sinner" is
an apt appellation for himself. "The sinner" in this case identifies the
tax collector in a way that emphasizes that attribute or characteristic
that defines him best under the circumstances, whether he means it par
excellence or in comparison to the Pharisee.

Let me give an example of what I mean:

In Eph 3.8 we have what amounts to the same construction as that under
discussion in Luke 18.13, except with a genitival modifier: EMOI TWi
ELACISTOTERWi PANTWN hAGIWN ("to me, the least of all saints"). I think
most would take TWi ELACISTOTERWi PANTWN hAGIWN as appositive to EMOI.
Here EMOI ("me") and TWI ELACISTOTERWi PANTWN hAGIWN ("the least of all
saints") are no doubt the same person. Paul IS (in his mind) "the least
of all the saints." No one else, in his mind, qualifies. Now, is there
more to MOI than TWi ELACISTOTERWi PANTWN hAGIWN? Certainly! Though Paul
IS TWi ELACISTOTERWi PANTWN hAGIWN, that is not ALL he is. Yet both EMOI
and TWi ELACISTOTERWi PANTWN hAGIWN are the same person. So in Luke
18.13 (IMO) MOI and TWi hAMARTWLWi are the same person, yet, of course,
TWi hAMARTWLWi does not exhaust MOI as a person.
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Steven Lo Vullo
Madison, WI


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