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 Ray - I'd love to hear more about your experience 
with potatoes as that comes in.  I'm not sure why someone would steer you 
away from fish products, you should ask them what the problem is.  It is 
certainly listed on recipes from Soil Foodweb.  Are you testing your 
teas?  The highest fungal numbers I have gotten in a tea came from 
pretreating  16 ounces of a woody compost with 2 ounces of fish hydrolysate 
for three days at 80*F.  It was covered with fungi by the time I added it 
and the analysis showed it was in the 3um category of beneficial sized 
fungi. 
  
I'd be interested to hear why someone doesn't want 
fish products in a tea, the only situation I'm aware of is that fish 
emulsion is a bacterial food as opposed to fish hydrolysate which is a fungal 
food. 
  
Dave 
  
David A. Loring, Project Leader Southeast Asia Project Dietrick 
Institute for Applied Insect Ecology dloring3@cox.net  ph (760) 
489-9438  
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  Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:08 
  PM 
  Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re; Why 
  activate the compost? 
  
  Thx David,    To be clear I have been using 
  the AK Humus product in our EPM 500 and Modified Growing Solutions 500 
  and our 35g homebuilt. After I remove the Humus/vermi mix I reintroduce 
  it to the plastic containers I keep the base products in and add fresh 
  vermi as well. I have tried different things including low sodium soy 
  that grows something, what I have no idea.    On the potato 
  comments on this site I have to add that I have heard some negative as well 
  as positive results from different customers of mine that have used 
  other peoples tea. The negative reactions have come from customers of a 
  vendor that uses the most popular tea machine mfgr. I have heard that he 
  might be having problems with his vermi.    I have talked with 
  Jason Kimm so anyone that wants basic info I can relay what he told me. 
  Also Reggie Destrie has given me some excellent recomendations 
  on potatoes that one of my organic customers is trying. The conflict 
  that I am working on is that I have been told by the mfr not to add fish 
  products or anything else to my brews. I have been working with Lance 
  Funk here in Idaho who has EPM brewers and hooked him up with the Fort 
  Hall Reservation potato fields so I may have more potato info later this 
  season for those interested.  --- David Loring <dloring3@cox.net> 
  wrote: > Ray - I have found that fish hydrolysate grows fungi > on 
  almonst anything  . . . anything that is that > still has enough 
  undecomposed material for fungi to > grow on.  If what you have is 
  really humus that > means, by definition, it has already been worked 
  on > by fungi and bacteria and may not support much more > 
  growth.  You might try mixing a little woody > material 1:4 to 
  provide foods for the fungi in your > humus to grow on.   > 
   > David A. Loring, Project Leader > Southeast Asia 
  Project > Dietrick Institute for Applied Insect Ecology > 
  dloring3@cox.net  ph (760) 489-9438 >   ----- Original 
  Message -----  >   From: ray gore  >   To: 
  compost_tea@yahoogroups.com  >   Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 
  11:43 AM >   Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re; Why activate 
  the > compost? >  >  >   
  Jeff, >       Since I bought the AK Humus 
  I have tried all > kinds >   of different things to grow 
  fungi levels and >   reinoculate it after use. Any 
  suggestions? Most >   recently I have been adding vermicompost 
  with it > then >   again after use. Thx, Ray MVC 
  Idaho >   --- Jeff Lowenfels <jeff@gardener.com> 
  wrote: >   > Judi, you could activate will all sorts 
  of > stuff. My >   > research, however, shows that 
  the medical and > other >   > communities that grow 
  soil fungi use Oatmeal >   > products in the lab along with 
  agar because > oatmeal >   > selects for soil fungi. 
  For what it is worth, > corn >   > meal was number 
  two. >   >  >   > In addition, while it 
  looks like you are only >   > growing one type of fungi 
  because it looks > uniform, >   > these fungi look a 
  like and you are most > probably >   > growing lots 
  of kinds. >   >  >   > 
  Cheers, >   >  >   > Jeff > 
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