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Re: [compost_tea] Re: Tea and EPA regulations
Thanks Tom J.  Your careful critisizm is understood.  If I sound like I am selling in every post  I do need to make sales to contribute what I have to offer the program. I have tried to avoid sales pitches as such in respect for the policy of the LIST.  My intent is to report the benefits of ACT that are reported to me by others and that I find on my own.  Is that what sounds like selling brewers?  Several  who have reported results of SFI tests  include the make of the brewer as part of the information.  I guess every message that includes the name of the sender is selling.  The list may become very quiet if all forms of promotion / information about products is eliminated.  Hard to define siutable message content.    Bob
And to spare the feeling of making sales with every message I have avoided a signature that describes every product, location, degree, affiliation, phone #, address and such.. 
tomjasz <tom@livesoil.com> wrote:
From:   Robert Norsen <bnbrew@y...> Date:  Sat Aug 23, 2003  11:59 
amSubject:  Tea and EPA regulations
BOB Well, I proposed that ACT had a great influence on pests and 
problems as I have noted and as has been reported by Elaine and 
others.
TJ Thanks for the clarification Bob, your posts read more like tea 
*WILL" stop aphids and tent caterpillars. 
BOB Not total elimination of pests but moderation of pest invasion.  
As is desireable.  Noted by several retorts.  
TJ Experiences here over 12 years indicate there's a lot more to the 
picture. Customers continuing to use inorganic fertilizers see none 
of the results of a sustainable paradigm. Soil development also plays 
a critical part of the equation.
BOB One writer said this entire List is directed to science. 
 
Disagree.
TJ Sorry but this group is dedicated to the science of ACT by it's 
founding purpose. If you want to keep ACT at a cultist level and not 
in the mainstream, then science becomes less important. 
BOB I think we are here looking for better health for people,  ways 
to safeguard wild life of all sizes, microbes to polar bears,  Water, 
rivers, lakes well water, farm people and land, parks, gardens, 
plants orchards,  prevent erosion, improve world economy, grow 
sweeter apples and and more. 
TJ Absolutely! And with good science will achieve that. BUT, change 
requires the concept being embraced by more than the posters here. 
TJ Here we've shown ACT can be used in the most unlikely settings, 
not with old bachelors tales, but with good, logical, scientifically 
based reports. 
BOB Aerated Compost TEA is a tool  that we believe helps achieve 
those ends.  Science is a way of
 developing and evaluating  TEA.   
Unless we enjoy and report to each other the end product of the 
science, science will become of minor interest  
TJ Yes, a tool for change. Your reports are more often viewed as a 
tool for sales. When the uninitiated read many of the reports they 
really do sound like, "use ACT and all your garden problems are 
solved". 
BOB As for regulations - this government of, for and BY the people 
Will we let regulations strangle us?  BY the people means that WE 
need to control government regulations. Not the reverse.  
TJ Reality dictates many of us MUST abide by EPA and local 
regulations. I just simply don't agree that these rules somehow 
remove our freedoms. In many cases they provide a measure of 
protection from unscrupulous users of chemicals. That doesn't mean I 
don't think there's not room for a lot of improvement!!
BOB When Elaine represents us i
 n the
 meeting where TEA will be 
evaluated and regulations written that is regulations BY the people.  
We need to give her all the support she needs from us.    We don't - 
can't claim that ACT is a positive cure or agent for control of 
anything.  First because no two brews will be identical.  Second 
because in natures way total control is not adviseable.  As pointed 
out by several writers.  
BOB Please reread some of your posts in a critical light, you may see 
some room for adjusting your style of reporting. But that should not 
limit users from reporting observations - good and bad -  they make 
as to the results of using ACT.   Without those exciting reports this 
List and our positive effect on Earth's ecology  will dwindle to an 
end. Keep em coming.          Bob 
     
TJ  Yes we need MORE observa
 tions,
 it would be nice to see more 
observations from users not selling anything (I include myself in 
that criticism).
tomj
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