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Fw: reply to Eric Storm
Cheers, Graham
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From: ken little
To: gb0063551@cableinet.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: reply to Eric Storm
Hello there,
while I agree that it is important to keep PC fresh with new ideas designing our own systems etc I feel that this overlooks the fact that PC is not about specific desins or systems but about aproach - the approach to self reliant living that is the core of permaculture - all the ingenutiy, all the innovations etc etc come from the diversity of this approach whatever it is called - at the same time permaculture is becoming recognised around the world and is gainig a great deal of credability among mainstream organisations - this is all good stuff the dangers here are two fold:
1 - lack of standardisastion so that those who wish too can take the moneya nd run leaving permaculture with a tarnised rep
and
2 - a re-defining/watering down of permaculture to the techie approach of rationalists thus losing its revolutionary community building 00 aspects.
i feel that trademarking PC etc is a good way of grounding what has been developed so far but i wish to restate my opinion that it should be the movement as a whole that do this rather than a few indiviuals however noble or otherwise their intentions may be.
namaste - Ken
>From: "Graham Burnett" (by way of Andrew Benn )
>Reply-To: "Graham Burnett" (by way of Andrew Benn )
>To: permaculture.uk@ntlworld.com (PermacultureUK Mailing List)
>Subject: [PermacultureUK] - [PermacultureUK] Fw: permaculture trademark alert
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:06:23 +0100
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: storm
>To: permaculture
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:06 PM
>Subject: Re: permaculture trademark alert
>
>
> > Besides the previously mentioned possible motivations for Bill
>and Lisa to
> > go through with a trademark, I thought of another one.
> >
> > Bill has said that he hoped that others would create their own
>systems and
> > not just parrot/steal his ideas. I can imagine that this may be
>a way to
> > stop Permaculture from becoming dogma or institutionalized. By
>taking
>away
> > some of the core pieces, others will be forced to become
>inventive and
> > develop new systems that work for their areas and their fields.
>Some
> > people do lean rather heavily on the words, pictures and ideas of
>a few.
> > Whether or not this is the best way to accomplish those goal, is
>still
>open
> > for debate.
> >
> > There is some loss of the credibility and recognition that
>Permaculture
>has
> > developed. But in the long run, this may be the best for the
>spread of
>the
> > central values and ideas held within Permaculture.
> >
> > Those who have created a living based on some of those core
>pieces will
> > need to get creative, but I have great faith in their ability to
>do so.
> > Many have already made this transition. There are many great
>ideas out
> > there to borrow from and build on to create wonderfully diverse
>and
> > appropriate new systems.
> >
> > It is the strength of the ideas, not the name, that will make a
>difference.
> >
> > Eric Storm
> >
> >
> > ---
>
>
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