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Cheers, Graham


----- Original Message ----- 
From: ken little 
To: gb0063551@cableinet.co.uk 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: reply to Eric Storm


Hello there,

while I agree that it is important to keep PC fresh with new ideas designing our own systems etc I feel that this overlooks the fact that PC is not about specific desins or systems but about aproach - the approach to self reliant living that is the core of permaculture - all the ingenutiy, all the innovations etc etc come from the diversity of this approach whatever it is called - at the same time permaculture is becoming recognised around the world and is gainig a great deal of credability among mainstream organisations - this is all good stuff the dangers here are two fold:

1 - lack of standardisastion so that those who wish too can take the moneya nd run leaving permaculture with a tarnised rep 

and

2 - a re-defining/watering down of permaculture to the techie approach of rationalists thus losing its revolutionary community building 00 aspects.

i feel that trademarking PC etc is a good way of grounding what has been developed so far but i wish to restate my opinion that it should be the movement as a whole that do this rather than a few indiviuals however noble or otherwise their intentions may be.

namaste - Ken



>From: "Graham Burnett" (by way of Andrew Benn ) 
>Reply-To: "Graham Burnett" (by way of Andrew Benn ) 
>To: permaculture.uk@ntlworld.com (PermacultureUK Mailing List) 
>Subject: [PermacultureUK] - [PermacultureUK] Fw: permaculture trademark alert 
>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:06:23 +0100 
> 
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>PermacultureUK - The views expressed on this list are not 
>necessarily 
>those of the 
>Permaculture Assoc. (Britain) http//www.permaculture.org.uk 
> 
>--------------------- 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: storm 
>To: permaculture 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:06 PM 
>Subject: Re: permaculture trademark alert 
> 
> 
> > Besides the previously mentioned possible motivations for Bill 
>and Lisa to 
> > go through with a trademark, I thought of another one. 
> > 
> > Bill has said that he hoped that others would create their own 
>systems and 
> > not just parrot/steal his ideas. I can imagine that this may be 
>a way to 
> > stop Permaculture from becoming dogma or institutionalized. By 
>taking 
>away 
> > some of the core pieces, others will be forced to become 
>inventive and 
> > develop new systems that work for their areas and their fields. 
>Some 
> > people do lean rather heavily on the words, pictures and ideas of 
>a few. 
> > Whether or not this is the best way to accomplish those goal, is 
>still 
>open 
> > for debate. 
> > 
> > There is some loss of the credibility and recognition that 
>Permaculture 
>has 
> > developed. But in the long run, this may be the best for the 
>spread of 
>the 
> > central values and ideas held within Permaculture. 
> > 
> > Those who have created a living based on some of those core 
>pieces will 
> > need to get creative, but I have great faith in their ability to 
>do so. 
> > Many have already made this transition. There are many great 
>ideas out 
> > there to borrow from and build on to create wonderfully diverse 
>and 
> > appropriate new systems. 
> > 
> > It is the strength of the ideas, not the name, that will make a 
>difference. 
> > 
> > Eric Storm 
> > 
> > 
> > --- 
> 
> 


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