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RE: permaculture digest: December 02, 2000




Hmmm I am surprised the kittens lasted 3 months after being cooked in the 
microwave.    Were they feral?


>From: "MARSHALL CHROSTOWSKI" <mcfarm@silcom.com>
>Reply-To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>Subject: RE: permaculture digest: December 02, 2000
>Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:06:31 -0800
>
>No Toby the test just proved that 2 kittens died, cause(s) unknown.  I got
>to protest pseudoscience and non-experiments.  I would lide to see the full
>reference and check it out myself. While I would never cook anything in a
>microwave oven, I have yet to see credible evidence of free radicals and
>alien chemicals produced from home machines.  I think the military did some
>research on microwave energy for disrupting communications, disorientation
>of troops, and maybe weapons and long time ago.  Some folks pick up on some
>of this info and applied it, like good non-scientists, to kitchen
>microwaves.
>
>I don't trust microwaves.  We are exposed to too much electromagnetic 
>energy
>now, especially with all these cell phones, pages, mobile phones, doppler
>radar, TV, video monitors...are we killing ourselves?  The industry and
>government won't tell us and will take years before the issue is "proven"
>one way or another.
>
>So Hugh and Toby, please post up some URLs for us to check out.
>
>Seedman
>
>Subject: Re: Microwaved food
>From: Toby  Hemenway <hemenway@jeffnet.org>
>Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:36:55 -0800
>X-Message-Number: 1
>
>(note: this post describes animal experiments, which many find offensive;
>just wanted to warn you)
>
>There was an experiment done awhile back in which young kittens were fed
>fresh meat, canned meat, or meat that had been cooked in a microwave. All
>the kittens fed microwaved food died within 3 months. If I remember
>correctly, some of the kittens fed canned meat developed various health
>problems, while most of the ones fed fresh meat remained healthy. We have
>the reference tucked away somewhere.
>
>Humans obviously are more robust, but this would suggest that microwaved
>food either lacks important nutrients, or contains some toxin(s).
>
>Toby
>
>
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>Rick, what are you trying to access?  I've been pretty active in this USDA
>organic stuff and have quite a few link bookmarked.  E-mail me direct if 
>you
>want.
>
>Subject: Re: permaculture digest: December 01, 2000
>From: rick valley <bamboogrove@cmug.com>
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 00 13:58:51 -0700
>X-Message-Number: 2
>
>Either I need a lesson on how to open the (adjective deleted) attachments,=
>  or
>take me off the list. Or perhaps the USDA/organics widespread alert crap
>could be condensed or just referenced- I mean that stuff is not real 
>direct=
>ly
>involved and available elsewhere.
>
>Rick Valley Northern Groves=20
>PO Box 1236, Philomath, OR 97370=20
>Mobile-(541)602-1315, hm.& msg. (541)456-4364  Bamboo catalog $3 or at=20
><http://www.teleport.com/~dbrooks/bamboo.html>
>"Useful Bamboos and other plants=8B Permaculture education=8B Ecological 
>de=
>sign &
>consultation centering on water,landform and horticultural systems.
>
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>888
>
>What are "flowforms"? A bunch of us are working toward an alternative waste
>water system "off the grid" so to speak.  Did I miss this item when I 
>looked
>into John Todd's system?
>
>
>Subject: Flowforms Still Swirling
>From: "Louis G. Laframboise" <lgl@magma.ca>
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:48:00 -0500
>X-Message-Number: 5
>
>Claude:
>
>Thanks for replying to my e-mail. It would be about time that I reply. So
>far, i have not gotten very much information regarding flowforms. I think
>it will mostly involve searching (via internet at the moment) all the
>different flowform sellers/designers since i cannot very well visit the
>sites where these different flowforms are on sale or on display. For the
>time being I am not interested in distributing flow forms regionally, but
>this is a good idea to consider for the future once I learn more about
>flowforms and the benefits, particularities of each. Right now, i am
>learning about how to configure or size up a site for eventual integration
>of flowforms. As i mentioned, my interest is in integrating flowforms into
>cold climates as well as for urban areas.
>
>What is your experience or connection with flowforms? By the way, what
>brought you, or attracted you to Vermont and UVM? Can you link me up to any
>contacts or info sources regarding practical info on how to set up living
>machines=8Bones for small, home applications.
>
>Let me know if you find anything significant or inspiring regarding
>flowform=
>s.
>
>A la prochaine.
>
>Louis G. Laframboise
>Ottawa, Canada
>
> >Hi Louis,
> >
> >Would have written you just because of your name ( I'm an ex-Montrealer
> >living in Vermont) - but I'm also really curious if you might be thinking
>o=
>f
> >distributing flow forms regionally?
> >
> >Also love to hear your design solutions for greywater systems in 
>winter...
> >
> >John Todd ( "Living Machines") teaches here at UVM.
> >
> >I was reading how he reckons that the systems he's designing today are 
>akin
> >to the giant "Univac" computers of the 50's - give it 30 years and these
> >sytems will begin to resemble laptops !
> >
> >Did you find anything ?
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Claude Genest
> >ISle LaMotte, Vt.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Louis G. Laframboise" <lgl@magma.ca>
> >To: "permaculture" <permaculture@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>
> >Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 5:38 AM
> >Subject: Flowforms: Contacts & Sources Needed
> >
> >
> >> This is a general request to anyone interested in, or involved with
> >> flowforms, including their design into the landscape, sculpture,
> >> installation, evaluation,... Any contact, bibliographic or other info
> >would
> >> be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> I am looking to integrate flowforms into urban ecological design. The
> >> flowforms will have to be seamlessly integrated with ALL of a home's or
> >> building's components: greywater, rainwater catchment, aquaculture and
> >> pond. A resiliant and interchangeable design is needed, e.g. so that 
>they
> >> can handle cold(er) climates.
> >>
> >>
> >> Go gently onwards.
> >>
> >> Louis Laframboise
> >> Ottawa, Canada
> >
>
>
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