Marsha, you may like to give your agronomy/ pc in the forest grad our contact here in Hepburn, Victoria as we may be mutually interested. Regards, Su Dennett David Holmgren & Su Dennett Holmgren Design Services Hepburn Permaculture Gardens 16 Fourteenth St, Hepburn. 3461. Australia. Ph/fax 0353483636 Email holmgren@netconnect.com.au Website http://www.spacountry.net.au/holmgren