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Fwd: RE: [nafex] Chinese Che

Following, is a discussion from the old NAFEX onelist.com days, regarding 
Cudrania.  This is the only one I had saved in my NAFEX box, but I thought 
I had more, including some from Hector Black.
While I'm thinking about it, does anyone know where Richard Moyer is these 
days?  It's been a while since I've seen anything of him on the 
list.  Seems like Ed Mashburn was the last person who knew of his whereabouts.

>From: <ramoyer@king.edu> (Richard A. Moyer)
>We have had Che fruit in for 7 years.  Putin both a male and female 
>plant.  Survived 14 below several winters ago.  Blooms after frost; has 
>not frozen out in five or so years (am away from my notes), unlike our 
>mulberry.  No observed disease or insect problems.  Birds are a problem, 
>have netted the female.  Disease and insect resistance similar here to 
>mulberry and fig, which are in same family (Moraceae).
>Pollination is the adventure with this plant:
>The male sets fruit but most of these fall off; a few of them will ripen 
>and be identical to female fruit.  Male died to ground two winters ago; 
>the female still set a full crop of seedless fruit.  The male grew back 
>last year, bloomed thisyear and acted like a female by setting the largest 
>crop of ripening fruit yet.  (It may be in the process of some type of 
>conversion; time will tell.)  Some debate has gone on for the need of a 
>male pollinator.  I'm not sure that I had any less fruit without the male 
>two years ago.  Our plants are on the far side of the field and hence do 
>not merit close observation; my kids eat most of the fruit with the birds.
>Both our plants are grafted onto Osage Orange.  Hence, if you know how 
>Osage Orange does on yours or similar land, this should suffice for your 
>site.  A.J. Bullard let a single stem go up to 8-9 ft, and cuts all others 
>off, he has a nice form as the result.  A number of our limbs on our bush 
>are on the ground.
>Hidden Springs grafts theirs onto Osage Orange if I recall correctly; they 
>do not grow seedling trees of Che.  If you mean they graft an unnamed 
>"seedling", they then are no different from any other nursery, to my 
>knowledge.  Don't know of anyone who has selected and named superior 
>cultivars from the wild (somewhere in China?)  My impression of the one 
>nursery that sells a seedless selection is that this if merely a 
>female.  My sample size is too small to determine the value of two for 
>pollination vs. one female.
>We are at 1800' zone 6, we rarely get into the 90s; we are on the 
>borderline for enough heat to ripen Che fruit.  In a cool summer, 
>defoliation in fall will occur before last of fruit is ripe.
>Ripe fruit has a strawberry color, knotty exterior like Osage Orange, 
>tastes a bit like pear and fig to us; sweet but not overly so.  Strange in 
>that slightly unripe fruit leaves a metallic taste in my mouth.
>In summary, an overlooked minor fruit.  Well worth the effort to put in as 
>a carefree, dependable producer in our area.  The Blacks at Hidden Springs 
>have made a jam with them.  Lee Reich plans to include a chapter on this 
>plant in his second edition of 'Uncommon Fruits Worthy of Attention'.
>Richard Moyer
>East Tenn
>-----Original Message-----
>From:   "Mark Blossom" <e-mailing-lists@juno.com> [SMTP:"Mark Blossom" 
>Sent:   Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:45 PM
>To:     iSMTP@CompServ@King[<nafex@onelist.com>]
>Subject:        [nafex] Chinese Che
>From: Mark Blossom <e-mailing-lists@juno.com>
>I am looking for information about Chinese Che fruit tree (Cudrania
>Does anyone have experience on this fruit, or knowledge of it, or know of
>sources for trees (other than Hidden Spring, who have apparently seedling
>trees in their catalog), availability and characteristics of named
>In particular, is it late blooming or resistant to frost on the blossoms,
>and is it tolerant if periodic inundation? These questions are relevant
>to my site, which is river bottom land in the Arkansas Ozarks, zone 6.
>Any disease or insect problems in humid midwestern climate?
>Thank you,
>Mark  Blossom


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