[compost_tea] Re: Growing your own indigenous microbes at home (not a laboratory)
Well I'm officially overwhelmed by the replies, especially Steve
Diver's. I guess my phonophobia and Steve's preference for phone
calls are at odds <grin> . I understand and will use the phone next
time.
One more thing, and I'm rolling on the floor laughing about this.
In the gardening forums I frequent, permaculture is what they call
it when they make a chair, planter, or pour a walkway out of a
cement based material!! No wonder my search keywords weren't
finding what I wanted!
Much appreciation to those who have replied, or may still reply, to
my question. I think I detect a latent interest in this topic. I
see it as a natural follow-on interest to those who understand
what's going on in compost tea and who are interested in the
beneficial microbes. It is acknowledge that the EM folks have a
good thing going. I think the interest I'm seeing is in growing
your own rather than buying someone elses. Give a man a fish and he
has one meal... and all that.
David Hall
San Antonio, TX
--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Steve Diver" <steved@n...>
wrote:
>
> David Hall -
>
> Allow me to post a few notes and resource links that
> address the two primary things you've inquired about.
>
> I will get back with you offline to follow-up on
> communications and resource materials.
>
> Keep in mind, as noted in my reply, that I prefer phone
> calls from people seeking agricultural research information.
>
> These are the two items you seek:
>
> *EM and IM to promote lactobacillus
>
> *Internet resources for growing your own indigenous
> microorganisms or fermented plant extracts
>
>
> FIRSTLY,
>
> EM (Effective Microorganisms) is about as practical as it
> gets when it comes to culturing and using lactobacillus
> on the farm.
>
> I have previously posted essential information and
> resources on EM to this list and other lists.
>
> See:
>
> [permaculture] BD, CT, EM, IM, FPE = special cultures in
> organic farming
> Mon Apr 21
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/2003-
April/017624.html
>
> Re: [EM-Ag] bokashi
> Mon Nov 29, 2004
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EM-Ag/message/1816
>
> [USCC] Looking for Data on Food Waste (EM Bokashi)
> Wed Feb 25 15:58:02 2004
> http://mailman.cloudnet.com/pipermail/compost/2004
> -February/011792.html
>
>
> Keep in mind that there are many more essential
> resources on EM.
>
> One source in particular that I highly recommend
> is Vinny Pinto's web sites on EM.
>
> Doubly recommended, is Vinny's 210-page book on EM
> published in 2004:
>
> "Fermentation with Syntropic Antioxidative Microbes:
> An Advanced Guide to Brewing EM Fermented Secondary
> Products."
>
> See:
>
> http://www.eminfo.info
> http://www.antioxbrew.com
> http://www.vinnypinto.us/products-informational-1.html
>
>
> SECONDLY,
>
> IM, or Indigenous Microorganisms, is a distinct organic
> farming system from Korean Natural Farming Association.
>
> KNFA and IM has been around since the 1960s, but it
> has just started coming into awareness to
> English-language farmers in the last few years.
>
> The Compost-Tea post at 10042 contains this essential
> fact.
>
> "The primary source for IMO recipes is Han Kyu Cho with
> KNFA. This book is rare, so don't ask me where you can
> buy it. You might be able to borrow it from a library."
>
> Korean Natural Farming: Indigenous Microorganisms and
> Vital Power of Crop/Livestock
> Han Kyu Cho and Atushi Koyama
> Korean Natural Farming Association, 1997
> 172 pages
>
> Gil Carandang and myself taught the first IMO workshop
> at Eco-Farm in January 2003. Gil compiled the Indigenous
> Microorganisms booklet for this workshop. Gil taught
> a follow-up workshop at EcoFarm in Janaury 2004.
>
> The recipe in Compost-Tea-10042 contains the IMO
> recipe for Lactic Acid Bacteria Serum.
>
> Rice wash water is what you get after you rinse rice.
>
> Don't you cook with whole grain rice? Rice is commonly
> rinsed and washed a couple times to remove dust and chaff.
> The "rice wash" that results looks milky and cloudy.
> This is the microbial substrate that you start with.
>
>
> THIRDLY,
>
> There is very limited information on the Internet
> regarding IM. My post to Sanet contains background
> notes and resources.
>
> See:
>
> Indigenous Microorganisms + Korean Natural Farming Association
> Sun, 19 Jan 2003
> http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind030
> 1&L=sanet-mg&O=A&P=23043
>
> Please pay special attention to the postings to USCC and
> Sanet that make comparisons between EM and IM, with special
> reference to production of biofertilizers from EM Bokashi
> and related bioprocessed organic wastes using this
> fermentation tank system:
>
> Bio Plant of Indigenous Microorganism
> Developed by... Natural Farming Institute
> Manufactured by... H-Tec Co., Ltd
> http://www.htech-fa.co.kr/english/env/images/infoeng.doc
>
>
> FOURTHLY,
>
> To gain access to fermented plant extracts, FPE's, pay
> special attention to:
>
> 1.
>
> Re: Regulation of compost teas (Effective Microorganisms)
> Wed, 6 Nov 2002
> http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind021
> 1&L=sanet-mg&O=A&P=8254
>
> This is the long post that contains notes on
> EM-FPE, or EM-Fermented Plant Extracts, and the
> websites in India that summarize this technology.
>
> 2.
>
> The EM Online Database -- hosted by EM Technology Network --
> contains more than 600 research reports and conference papers.
> These include papers from the International Conferences on Kyusei
> Nature Farming, EM symposiums, field trials, and unpublished
> manuscripts.
>
> Selected items from the EM Online Database
>
> The Influence of the Quality of Molasses on Microbial
> Properties of EM
> http://www.emtech.org/data/pdf/0236.pdf
>
> Indexes for Treatment Common to Crops Described in Schedules
> for (A), (B), and (B-2)
> http://www.emtech.org/data/pdf/0378.pdf
>
> Experiences with Effective Microorganisms in Disease and
> Pest Control in Farms and Gardens in India
> http://www.emtech.org/data/pdf/843drmargarita.pdf
>
> The last item is from Margarita Correa in India, as noted
> in the Sanet posting. Yet, this paper is especially valuable
> as an online source because it contains the complete table
> on target insect pests.
>
> 3.
>
> EM-FPE recipes from Sanjay Aggarwal and Titel Rhyzomer
> on EM-Ag at Yahoo.
>
>
> FINALLY,
>
> Essentially, CT and EM and IM and FPE can be viewed
> as on-farm tools to culture beneficial microbes
> and extract soluble nutrients and bioactive substances.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Diver
> http://www.attra.ncat.org
>
>
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "David Hall" <dchall8@t...>
wrote:
> >
> > Back in October the subject was EM, a commercial brand name for
a
> > product containing lactobacillis. The question was how to get
huge
> > quantities for use on large areas. In post number 10042
> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/10042), Steve
> > Diver gave a home grown recipe for concentrated lactobacillis
using
> > rice and milk to produce quantities and quality suitable for use
in
> > agriculture. Then in post number 10093
> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/10093) he
> offered
> > to help others find sources for EM off the list if they would
write
> > to him. Now I realize he's probably got lots to do but I wrote
him
> > anyway. He replied once to ask my affiliations. I replied but
> > haven't heard back from him with details. Again, he's got lots
to
> > do, so I'm asking here on the list if anyone else has either
> > successfully contacted him at a more convenient time or knows
other
> > Internet resources for growing your own indigenous microorganisms
> or
> > fermented plant extracts?
> >
> > David Hall
> > San Antonio, TX
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