{"id":59,"date":"2004-09-29T20:33:15","date_gmt":"2004-09-30T00:33:15","guid":{"rendered":"\/?p=59"},"modified":"2004-09-30T08:29:53","modified_gmt":"2004-09-30T12:29:53","slug":"whachacallems","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ibiblio.org\/pjones\/blog\/whachacallems\/","title":{"rendered":"Whachacallems"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/ibiblio.org\/pjones\/wordpress\/index.php?p=54\">The discussion that started<\/a> between <a href=\"http:\/\/www.duke.edu\/religion\/home\/lawrence\/lawrence.html\">Bruce Lawrence<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.johnlocke.org\/about\/display_bio.html?id=1\">John Hood<\/a> over the application of the word <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogsci.princeton.edu\/cgi-bin\/webwn?stage=1&#038;word=insurgent\">&#8220;insurgents&#8221;<\/a> to describe people who are fighting against American forces in Iraqi has taken on more steam. Probably unbeknownst to Bruce, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.johnlocke.org\/lockerroom\/\">the folks in the Locker Room<\/a> have been parsing out the meanings of the encounter and the alternative words. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.johnlocke.org\/lockerroom\/lockerroom.html?id=2445\">John Hood&#8217;s version of the crossing of minds<\/a> was <a href=\"http:\/\/www.johnlocke.org\/lockerroom\/lockerroom.html?id=2455\">followed by a posting <\/a>from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.johnlocke.org\/about\/display_bio.html?id=92\">Jeff Taylor<\/a> in which Jeff asks &#8220;does dissident accurately describe Tim McVeigh?&#8221;<br \/>\nThe answer is technically yes but precisely no. I mean and Jeff means I assume that it&#8217;s not strong enough to be accurate. I will say that what Jeff says is the military&#8217;s prefered term &#8220;anti-Iraqi&#8217; forces both accurate and bogus at the same time.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/ibiblio.org\/pjones\/wordpress\/index.php?p=54#comment-21\">I suggested to John<\/a> that if he or Bruce had used the cognate for &#8220;insurgents,&#8221; &#8220;freedom fighters&#8221; instead we would have had an even more amusing encounter. John&#8217;s answer accurate, but I think not quite right, is that a &#8220;freedom fighter&#8221; could be fighting for freedom (how Reagan saw his Contras) or as fighting against freedom (unlikely reading by most contemporary English speakers I&#8217;d say.)<br \/>\nWhen I was a participant at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.colorado.edu\/cwa\/\">Conference on World Affairs in Boulder<\/a> in 2002, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.colorado.edu\/cwa\/bios.html?id=256&#038;year=2002\">Norman Solomon<\/a> enraged the thoughtful <a href=\"http:\/\/www.colorado.edu\/cwa\/bios.html?id=218&#038;year=2002\">Stuart Schoffman<\/a> by saying that if there were &#8220;suicide bombers&#8221; on one side then the Israeli&#8217;s who shot rockets from tanks or from planes should be called &#8220;homicide bombers.&#8221; Norman pressed on such reversals until Stuart, who had worked for reconciliation, was spitting nails.<br \/>\nOddly enough, I, not long after, heard the term &#8220;homicide bombers&#8221; being used. But not refering to Israelis as Norman had suggested, but by Israelis seeking to put the focus on the crimes of the self-exploding killers. As <a href=\"http:\/\/www.disinfopedia.org\/wiki.phtml?title=Martyrs_and_homicide_bombers\">the Disinfopedia notes<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The use of these two terms [actually three terms in the article: suicide bomber, homicide bomber and martyr &#8212; PJ]  by opposing parties to a violent conflict demonstrates the way that propaganda contributes to social polarization. Rather than sharing a common language, the people who use these terms have invented language which enables them to deepen their estrangement and even to erase awareness of their mutual humanity.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Language can be a weapon, but it is not your friend entirely. As <a href=\"http:\/\/www.time.com\/time\/time100\/artists\/profile\/eliot_related.html\">Eliot<\/a> says in Prufrock: <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikiquote.org\/wiki\/Thomas_Stearns_Eliot\"><em>It is impossible to say just what I mean!<\/em><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/w\/wittgens.htm\">Wittgenstein<\/a> agreed or at least that&#8217;s how I read him.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The discussion that started between Bruce Lawrence and John Hood over the application of the word &#8220;insurgents&#8221; to describe people who are fighting against American forces in Iraqi has taken on more steam. 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