Article 11257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.121!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: ktjackson@mindspring.com (Todd Jackson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping organizations in southeastern TN ??? Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 02:44:20 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34f9cade.2217633@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: ktjackson@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lcni5.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Mar 1998 02:45:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11257 Does anyone know of a beekeeping organization in southeast TN? As in the Chattanooga area. I would like to learn how to beekeep and would like to find a place where I could learn. Thanks Todd Article 11258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: The more the merrier? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34F78886.28CBC40F@midtown.net> Organization: LIFT, Inc. Message-ID: <01bd44b5$fd51ae80$7b10bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 28 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 02:02:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs8-11.eph.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:02:44 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11258 If your hive is strong this spring, split out three frames with lots of capped brood (and no queen!) and put them in a new hive. Fill out the new hive with combs or foundation. Replace the three frames in the original hive with frames of foundation. Give the new hive a new queen. It will build rapidly and produce some extracted honey for you, no comb honey this year though. The original hive will be less likely to swarm. I've found this to be far superior to using package bees. TiPnRiNg wrote in article <34F78886.28CBC40F@midtown.net>... > I'm about to be able to say I've been keeping bees for a year now. Last > spring I started with a pound and half and I think by winter they were > almost to the "add a third box" stage. I didn't, however, get any > honey. I'm getting the urge to start another hive going. My question > is, (I know,,FINALLY!), if I were to get, say three pounds of bees, > this year, ya think I would get honey before year end? Any down sides > to getting more bees at the start? Thanks Jer > > Article 11259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34f9cade.2217633@news.mindspring.com> Subject: "Bees at the Bottom of the Garden" Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:01:31 -0000 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-230.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <34f934db.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-230.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11259 Looking for a copy of the book "Bees at the Bottom of the Garden", by Alan Campion. Can anybody help? thanks, Kidney John gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply. "We are all in the gutter, But some of us are looking at the Stars" Article 11261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Production Figures Date: 27 Feb 1998 09:43:53 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bd4364$13526740$0261afce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn86-002.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11261 Does anyone know of a source for average honey production state by state on the web or in print form? -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach Honey Company Article 11262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive question Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:25:18 -0600 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6dc5ot$hui$1@usenet54.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 18386@207.79.121.67 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11262 Hello all. I am going to be adding Two hives this year,and I was wondering if I could use cedar to build the hives with (I have a free source for usable size cutoffs) Thanks for any input. Tom Article 11263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!netnews.com!news.internetsat.com!news.arrakis.es!195.5.79.8 From: "Javier Soto Vázquez" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 625 Agricultural Links Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:10:17 +0100 Organization: none Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34f9a78d.0@news.arrakis.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: caladan.arrakis.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11263 We increase in 45 the number of links, and now in our Web site we have 625 links. http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ In adition, we improve some sections, and the links have descriptions. Article 11264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!news.internetsat.com!news.arrakis.es!195.5.79.8 From: "Javier Soto Vázquez" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 625 enalces agrícolas Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:04:30 +0100 Organization: none Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34f9a77e.0@news.arrakis.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: caladan.arrakis.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11264 Hemos añadido 45 enlaces nuevos a nuestra página y ya son 625 los enlaces del sector agrícola que tenemos. http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ Además estamos mejorando la sección de enlaces y existen algunas con descripción sobre los links. Article 11265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: First swarm of the year Date: 1 Mar 1998 21:05:39 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6dcij3$gur@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.194 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11265 Well El Nino's effects in California are seen once again. I had it in my plans to begin my swarm management in earnest on Monday. Up until this point the only thing I did was to add 3 suppers for the space. Well mother nature did not want to wait so I had a swarm issue today. Next time I'll take the que when I see pollen coming in early Feb in large quantities. Settled about 50 ft so I quickly hived them and I have a couple of Q's: 1. Does the new hive need to be relocated at some distance from the old hive or have they already "forgotten" about their old home? 2. The local bee supply store is closed until Tues. I did manage to find 1 frame of foundation and 1 frame of drawn. Will this be sufficient until I can get more on Tues. If not, can I misappropriate some from the old hive or is it chemically "marked"? -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 11266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!132.239.1.220!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news1.ucsd.edu!not-for-mail From: Bruce Ritchings Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping journals Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:55:31 +0000 Organization: UCSD Lines: 10 Message-ID: <34F968D4.9410AF6@ucsd.edu> Reply-To: britchings@ucsd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: cmm171-43.ucsd.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11266 Hello Bees, A friend of mine who's a monk asked me to try to find the name and address of any journals in the USA pertaining to beekeeping. Well, I've found a few names, but no addresses or phone numbers which would allow him to subscribe. I was thinking the "American Bee Journal" might be most appropriate, but I can't find their address/phone/fax, etc. Can anyone please help? Perhaps there are other equally appropriate journals? Unfortunately, my friend doesn't have access to the internet (monks aren't supposed to be spending their time wandering in cyberspace, I guess) so he needs a printed journal. Thanks in advance, Bruce Ritchings, Howard Hughes Medical Institute, UC San Diego, britchings@ucsd.edu Article 11267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping journals Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:43:54 +0100 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 20 Message-ID: <34F9AC63.30F0@Birkey.com> References: <34F968D4.9410AF6@ucsd.edu> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 27400@206.68.164.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: britchings@ucsd.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11267 Bruce Ritchings wrote: > > Hello Bees, > A friend of mine who's a monk asked me to try to find the name and address of > any journals in the USA pertaining to beekeeping. Well, I've found a few > names, but no addresses or phone numbers which would allow him to subscribe. I > was thinking the "American Bee Journal" might be most appropriate, but I can't > find their address/phone/fax, etc. Can anyone please help? Perhaps there are > other equally appropriate journals? Unfortunately, my friend doesn't have > access to the internet (monks aren't supposed to be spending their time > wandering in cyberspace, I guess) so he needs a printed journal. Thanks in > advance, Bruce Ritchings, Howard Hughes Medical Institute, UC San Diego, britchings@ucsd.edu http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/bejrnls.html -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 11268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.mpcs.com!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:55:11 -0800 Message-ID: <199803011855.KAA00630@ix.netcom.com> From: Anonymous Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees References: <34F5B948.613BB192@mines.edu> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 53 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11268 I think it would probably be possible to detect Varroa presence by sampling field bees, although whether anyone has been able to work out some sort of linear relation between the rate of field bee parasitization and total number of Varroa in the hive is an open question. Might make a good research project or subject for a doctoral dissertation. When the bees are in the hive, I believe the mites move from bee to bee rather readily, without regard to the age of the bees involved. Quick little buggers too, as anyone who has watched them crawling around on a bee for a while can attest. Even if they didn't change bees from time to time though, a certain percentage of young bees would mature into field bee age with a mite or two on 'em, wouldn't they? So it should definitely be possible to detect Varroa presence by sampling the field bees. I have a similar question about Varroa though, which is how to estimate the mite load on the bees for purposes of deciding whether to treat with Apistan or not. For most commercial beekeepers, I guess this is not an issue, since it is my understanding that they always treat. But I'm just a hobbyist with a few hives, like to be as "organic" as I can, and don't like the added expense of the miticide if it's not strictly necessary. Currently I'm trying some experiments to get a handle on this. But like much in agriculture, it's slow going. Anybody out there already try their own experiments, or have any words of wisdom on this question that they'd like to share? Brian asked: > >I am interested in information about how to detect Varroa mites in field >bees or if these mites just stay on nurse bees in the hive. I know the >location of at least one easily monitored wild hive which has been >apparently very healthy for at least three years in the Golden, Colorado >area and I am interested in attempting to determine if this wild hive >has any natural resistance to Varroa or simply has not been exposed yet. > >I am also interested finding and monitoring some wild hives for natural >varroa resistance. > >The problem is that most tests for varroa all specify to take bees from >brood comb, yet with wild hives it is very difficult to do this. Would >I be wasting my time to collect and monitor field bees leaving or >returning from the entrance of this and similar hives? How many bees >would be necessary to reasonably be expected to detect mites if any are >present? > > >Brian Allen >ballen@mines.edu > Article 11269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34f9cade.2217633@news.mindspring.com> <34f934db.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: "Bees at the Bottom of the Garden" Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:18:53 -0500 Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.226 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.226 Message-ID: <34fa24e4.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.226 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11269 Greetings! Have you tried www.amazon.com? This site will let you find an author or book title. You may purchase the book at their site,if they can locate it. Herb(Midnitebee) -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Kidney John wrote in message <34f934db.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... > >Looking for a copy of the book "Bees at the Bottom of the Garden", by Alan >Campion. Can anybody help? >thanks, >Kidney John >gnimmelf@nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply. >"We are all in the gutter, But some of us are looking at the Stars" > > > > Article 11270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34f9cade.2217633@news.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Beekeeping organizations in southeastern TN ??? Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:16:25 -0500 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.226 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.226 Message-ID: <34fa244f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.226 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11270 Greetings! There is an extensive list of beekeeping assoc. worldwide at my web site:go to beelinks page. Herb(Midnitebee) -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Todd Jackson wrote in message <34f9cade.2217633@news.mindspring.com>... >Does anyone know of a beekeeping organization in southeast TN? As in >the Chattanooga area. I would like to learn how to beekeep and would >like to find a place where I could learn. > >Thanks > >Todd Article 11271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: Robert Boschman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for boxes and comb Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:45:53 -0700 Organization: TELUS Communications Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34FAE241.540E@telusplanet.net> Reply-To: boschman@telusplanet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: clgrtnt2-port-97.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11271 I am a Saskatchewan-based beekeeper looking for 200 to 1000 boxes as well as drawn comb. Any information or equipement you know of for sale would be of great interest to my company--doesn't matter how far away you are. Rob Boschman boschman@telusplanet.net (403) 236-7457 Article 11272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 05:56:53 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34FABAA5.3106@juno.com> References: <34F5B948.613BB192@mines.edu> <199803011855.KAA00630@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 15003@205.216.79.228 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11272 as a gross rule of thumb, i use around 10% mite infestation rate (10 mites per 100 bees sampled) on an (admittedly unreliable but relatively easy-to-do) ether roll of bees from brood comb as a treatment threshold...i would guess half that rate for foraging bees, and double for uncapping brood (esp. drone) would be approximately equivalent; this is based more on subjective experience under florida conditions than any hard data, even though some research has been done (see delaplane's "strictly for the hobbyist" column in the aug.'97 abj) but regional/seasonal/genetic/virulent and other seemingly unlimited variability in hive conditions always can muddle any guesstimates... Article 11273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: walter.bienz@amigabee.org.uk (Walter Bienz) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!walter.bienz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cake & eating it too part ll Message-ID: <888844992@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:44:08 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/117 2d488e97 REPLY: 240:44/0 36115a70 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(79) M> From: "Midnite" M> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping M> Subject: cake & eating it too part ll M> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:48:08 -0500 M> Lines: 18 M> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: M> Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: M> 208.232.50.231 M> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.231 M> Message-ID: <34e9f74f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> M> Path: M> ibmpcug!news.pcug.co.uk!bowl.news.pipex.net!pipex!weld.news.pi M> pex.net!pipex!hose.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pi M> pex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!cpk-ne M> ws-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci. M> com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.231 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11273 M> Greetings! M> I have added another "page" authored by George Imirie. This is M> a continuation on the January issue of the "Pink Pages".. this M> new topic "speaks" about the PROPER ratio of sugar M> syrup,splitting,why order queens,swarming, M> reversing,etc etc M> The article is entitled "Cake & Eating it Too", located at the M> beelinks page. M> Enjoy! M> -- M> Holly-B Apiary M> P.O. Box 26 M> Wells,Maine 04090-0026 M> www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/117) Article 11274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsreader.digex.net!not-for-mail From: bobe_inv@digex.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Production Figures Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:07:23 GMT Organization: DIGEX, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34fb1f64.17243317@news.digex.net> References: <01bd4364$13526740$0261afce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: gate.usitc.gov X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11274 On 27 Feb 1998 09:43:53 GMT, "Ernest Scofield" wrote: >Does anyone know of a source for average honey production >state by state on the web or in print form? >-- >E.L.Scofield >Virginia Beach Honey Company You might try the following web site: http://mann77.mannlib.cornell.edu/reports/nassr/other/zho-bb/ Article 11275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.121!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: ktjackson@mindspring.com (Todd Jackson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping organizations in southeastern TN ??? Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:23:35 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: <34fb2331.905402@news.mindspring.com> References: <34f9cade.2217633@news.mindspring.com> <34fa244f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Reply-To: ktjackson@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lcnio.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 2 Mar 1998 21:24:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11275 "Midnite" wrote: >Greetings! >There is an extensive list of beekeeping assoc. worldwide at my web site:go >to beelinks page. >Herb(Midnitebee) Nothing there near me. Thanks anyway, you have got a good web page. Todd Article 11276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WHere to get bees? Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:25:47 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6dfbm6$356@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <34FAEE16.5A77D73B@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.157.57 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11276 eaguilr wrote in message <34FAEE16.5A77D73B@polisci.tamu.edu>... >Folks, >I waited way way way too long to order a set of "startup bees". Any >ideas who I could contact to get somet his late in the season? >edwin > > Hi Ed It depends on where you live. We truck bees up the east coast into NJ and eastern PA and will make stops along I95 from NC and north with prior commitment from beekeepers. You can contact us at gbees@worldnet.att.net or 908 996 6331 If you don't live in this part of the world you can order them direct from York Bee Co (912 427 7311) or possibly contact your local extension service. Good Luck Gary Article 11277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!131.216.1.86!news.nevada.edu!news.tamu.edu!not-for-mail From: eaguilr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WHere to get bees? Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:36:22 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34FAEE16.5A77D73B@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc129.tamu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 1998 17:36:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11277 Folks, I waited way way way too long to order a set of "startup bees". Any ideas who I could contact to get somet his late in the season? edwin Article 11278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!210.120.128.205!brown.dacom.co.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Rev Jim" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized???? Date: 3 Mar 1998 00:29:03 GMT Organization: news.netins.net Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bd463c$aff82820$360cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> References: <34F4AD28.4DEF@swbell.net> Reply-To: "Rev Jim" NNTP-Posting-Host: ins8.netins.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Cache-Post-Path: ins8.netins.net!unknown@207.177.12.54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11278 I am one whom bees do not like also. Without aftershave or hair tonic once in a while they will come after me, usually in the hair, upper face. Never have figured it out but I raise only 3-banded Italian with a brief unsuccessful attempt at Midnites. So I take the chance of getting stung. Article 11279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!brown.dacom.co.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Rev Jim" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and vandals (formerly bees and horses) Date: 3 Mar 1998 00:34:19 GMT Organization: news.netins.net Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd463d$6c473fc0$360cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> References: Reply-To: "Rev Jim" NNTP-Posting-Host: ins8.netins.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Cache-Post-Path: ins8.netins.net!unknown@207.177.12.54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11279 My experience with vandalism is slight but primarily if a kid tips over the hive and gets nailed the parents threaten a lawsuit. If a hunter tips over a hive and gets nailed, he threatens a lawsuit. When some kids pushed sticks into the hive and got stung (once) the parents threatened a lawsuit. See a pattern? Luckily nothing ever came of it but I did threaten to countersue for vandalism. Article 11280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:54:41 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 72 Message-ID: <34FB62E0.609467EB@valley.net> References: <34F5B948.613BB192@mines.edu> <199803011855.KAA00630@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-140.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11280 Anonymous wrote: > > I have a similar question about Varroa though, which is how to estimate the > mite load on the bees for purposes of deciding whether to treat with Apistan > or not. For > most commercial beekeepers, I guess this is not an issue, since it is my > understanding that they always treat. But I'm just a hobbyist with a few > hives, like to be as "organic" as I can, and don't like the added expense of > the miticide if it's not strictly necessary. > > Currently I'm trying some experiments to get a handle on this. But like much > in agriculture, it's slow going. Anybody out there already try their own > experiments, or have any words of wisdom on this question that they'd like to > share? > > Brian asked: > greetings, i've not checked this group regularly for most of the winter, but the recent warm weather up here in new hampshire made me realize that the new season is right around the corner and that i should catch up with what's going on in the rest of the bee world. i'm just a hobbyist, too, and coming off of my first season, but i thought i'd comment for what it's worth. last season i treated with mineral oil following dr. rodriguez' program. basically a thin bead of oil on the top of each frame once a week or so. i did not use any scientific methods of measurement, just careful weekly observation [all recorded in my logbook], but i did not see any signs of mite infestation. the bees all looked healthy, no deformations, no little 'hitchhikers', lots of brood, no signs of the runs or other indications of secondary infections. so, i THINK it worked well. however, even though the good doctor says that you can treat solely with m.o., i also used apistan strips in the fall [and will use them this spring]. like you, i prefer to minimize the use of drugs and chemicals on my bees, but in the case of varroa, i don't feel that there's much choice in the matter. i started beekeeping, because i was getting lousy pollination of my blackberry and raspberry bushes. [all right, i also had a lifelong fascination with bees. but, it's as good an excuse as any.] then, i realized that there were NO honeybees around. a little research on the net revealed the probable cause of the problem. joining the local beekeeping association and going to a few meetings confirmed that varroa is a problem in this area. so, i would rather be safe than sorry. it may seem like overkill, but i like the idea of hitting 'em with both a physical and a chemical control. hopefully, it will help reduce the chance of miticide resistant varroa developing in my area. with this warm [mid 40's] weather the past several days, i've seen nice clouds of bees coming out to do their 'elimination' runs in the early afternoon. looks like they are in good health. whether it's from the treatments or just blind luck, i don't know. after a couple of seasons worth of data points, maybe i'll be able to tell. anyway, my recommendation is that, regardless of whatever alternative treatment plan you use, unless you can positively, absolutely confirm that you've got varroa under control, you should also use apistan strips. they may cost a few bucks, but it's cheaper than replacing lost colonies. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.56!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WHere to get bees? Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:53:08 -0600 Organization: Netcom Lines: 13 Message-ID: <34FB7EA4.6B70@ix.netcom.com> References: <34FAEE16.5A77D73B@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx6-03.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Mar 02 9:47:16 PM CST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11281 eaguilr wrote: > > Folks, > I waited way way way too long to order a set of "startup bees". Any > ideas who I could contact to get somet his late in the season? > edwin If you're ordering them for the College Station area then you might want to try: http://www.ipt.com/bweaver/rebweaver.htm Good Luck! susan Article 11282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!not-for-path-mail From: "Rimmmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 14k gold & diamond Bee Ring Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:19:55 -0800 Organization: ELI.NET Usenet Newsreader Service Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6dg3ob$3cj$1@bigdog.eli.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: linq1-32.citylinq.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11282 I own a custom jewelry business in Bellevue Washington. Last Christmas I worked with a man on designing a special ring for his wife. The ring features a 14k Bee, pave set with diamonds all over his back, emerald cabochon eyes, pollen sacs on his legs and, a small daisy on either side of the ring with a diamond in the center. The woman who carved the wax, graduated as a zoologist and spent over 15 hours adding realistic features, while maintaining some character (he's cute!). Unfortunately, my client and his wife split the sheets and ended up not taking the ring. So after substantial investment on my part, naturally I would like to find a home for the little guy and recoup my investment. Since it is a one off custom piece that required significant amounts of labor in design and setting, he isn't cheap but he is first class all the way. If anyone is interested in seeing a photo or arranging a viewing, please email me at TheJConn@aol.com You may also reach me at 1-800-594-2950. Marlon Familton The Jewelry Connection Bellevue, Washington Article 11283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!xfer.kren.nm.kr!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!chollian!KKPCR7 From: KKPCR7@chollian.dacom.co.kr (Chollian Newsgroup User) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and vandals (formerly bees and horses) Date: 3 Mar 1998 08:36:35 GMT Organization: DACOM Internet Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6dgfej$45e$1@newstmp1.bora.net> References: <01bd463d$6c473fc0$360cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: magicall2.dacom.co.kr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11283 x Rev Jim (jim.small@www.mebbs.com) wrote: : My experience with vandalism is slight but primarily if a kid tips over the : hive and gets nailed the parents threaten a lawsuit. If a hunter tips over : a hive and gets nailed, he threatens a lawsuit. When some kids pushed : sticks into the hive and got stung (once) the parents threatened a lawsuit. : See a pattern? Luckily nothing ever came of it but I did threaten to : countersue for vandalism. Article 11284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "ayres" Subject: Re: Bee sting alergies Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.folklore.urban References: <34B3C27C.6772@fareway.on.ca> <696evb$e92@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> <34b7a3a0.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> <01bd1e01$a9a7f800$240cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> <699om0$c7d$1@news.goodnet.com> <69irb8$71u$1@news.jumpnet.com> <69itc1$9l5$1@ezekiel.eunet.ie> Message-ID: <01bd4327$dc93c820$97c19bd0@8> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.155.193.151 Date: 27 Feb 98 01:32:51 GMT Lines: 46 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!209.136.2.9!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.northlink.net!208.155.193.151 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11284 alt.folklore.urban:401464 Ben Walsh wrote in article <69itc1$9l5$1@ezekiel.eunet.ie>... > Quita Endicott wrote: > > > > ># My grandfather was a beekeeper and his children are all very sensitive to > > >#stings. > > > > > >Uh oh. I see some Lamarckian theories of evolution in that last statement. > > > > > What is Lamarckian about that - he doesn't imply that they CHOSE to become > > sensitive > > I don't know what definition of Lamarckism you're using, but it's not a > good one. The theory of Lamarckism was a precursor to that of natural > selection, and postulated evolution through inheritance of *acquired* > characteristics. > > > - all that is implied here as that the children are all > > sensitive > > No, that's what's stated explicitly. The *implication*, through the > juxtaposition of the two statements, is that the children's sensitivity > is due in some way to the grandfather's occupation. That is Lamarckian, > and therefore wrong. > > - perhaps the mother of said children passed on hypersensitivity > > genes to the kids. > > Indeed. > > ben "I was stung by a bee yesterday - £20 for a jar of honey" w. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "If you name me a street | ben walsh > Then I'll name you a bar | benw at iona dot com > And I'll walk right through Hell | http://bounce.to/heretic > Just to buy you a jar" -- shane | > > Maybe the hypersensitivity is due to environment , > not heredity, as in exposure to dried venom on clothing Article 11285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsgate.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized? or just Irate? Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 06:58:15 -0800 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 23 Message-ID: <34FC1A87.4AD0@swbell.net> References: <34F4AD28.4DEF@swbell.net> <01bd463c$aff82820$360cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-37-184.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 888929908 2366 (None) 151.164.37.184 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11285 Rev Jim wrote: > > I am one whom bees do not like also. Without aftershave or hair tonic once > in a while they will come after me, usually in the hair, upper face. Never > have figured it out but I raise only 3-banded Italian with a brief > unsuccessful attempt at Midnites. So I take the chance of getting stung. I had a few hives in Utah (1997) and I could basically work them in street clothes. Unless I was digging into the hive extensively, they didn't really care. In the colonies I now have, individuals will go out of their way to hunt me down anywhere in the yard (up to about 100'), and I don't dare go anywhere near the hives (10-20') without full suit. I'm in the process of building a new fence and relocating the hives to their own fenced area. During that process, I closed off the entrances to only about 1/4" wide. The bees could still get out if they wanted bad enough, but they seemed to change their attitude and didn't stray far from the hives (at least not in my direction). I thought maybe they had adjusted their attitude, but when I opened up the entrance yesterday (full suit) they got back in their bad mood. Oh well, the fence project should be done by this weekend, and I can keep them under control until the new queens (Caucasian) arrive. Article 11286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: silversail@aol.com (Silversail) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping journals Date: 3 Mar 1998 17:19:32 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19980303171900.MAA19869@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34F9AC63.30F0@Birkey.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11286 American Bee Journal is a Dandant product... Try Dadant.com should take you to their website. 903-784-6145 will get you in touch with someone who can take or direct you to someone who can take your order. Silver Article 11287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: silversail@aol.com (Silversail) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive question Date: 3 Mar 1998 17:22:26 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19980303172200.MAA24933@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6dc5ot$hui$1@usenet54.supernews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11287 Sure cedar's great to use...might even keep the wax moths away;) Just about any wood will do ...the main focus of larger beekeepers is the COST. Silver Article 11288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: 3 Mar 1998 19:33:54 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6dhlv2$2vc$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <34F5B948.613BB192@mines.edu> <199803011855.KAA00630@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11288 Anonymous postings are sort of taboo. If you have to post anonymously, well do what you have to do, but if a trend toward anonymous posting develops here, we'll have to change the charter to exclude anonymous postings-- nothing wrong with your post, it's just anonymous postings can and often are used for less than wholesome purposes. A Varroa level index is hard to develop. "Economic injury level" is the term, I think. But, since all our bees develop at different rates and interact with the new parasite differently, a single broad "mite number" or "mite count" isn't possible. The nicest way I've seen to check for mites in the Spring, when there is capped drone brood is to use a cappings scratcher on some of the drone brood. Pry up some cells with the scratcher a few times on different combs--if you see mites at any stage, you have an infestation you probably should treat for after the honey season. Another beekeeper's suggestion of definite yearly treatment with Apistan is probably the safest practise--remember to treat when there is no danger of super contamination, and remember to remove the strips after the time recommended. Fluvalinate (Apistan's active ingredient) will begin to taint comb wax after awhile, so keep a handle on which combs were treated, maybe rotating out old comb after a few years (not a bad practice to do anyway if you have the time and energy). The relationship Varroa has no with our bees, is very unique and dynamic. The bees are under pressure, as are the mites, to live long enough to reproduce. We're in the middle of a fascinating biological story--the end of which nobody can see, so as you buy Apistan, use other mite treatments, and clean out dead hives, remember that you've been keeping bees in exciting times! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.103.147.20!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: First swarm of the year Date: 3 Mar 1998 22:18:12 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6dhvj4$vng$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <6dcij3$gur@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11289 George, It's already Tuesday, but I'll give you my 2 cents worth anyway. As for location, they should be fine. I've never found this to be a problem, particularly if we're having intermittently warm weather in the early SPring. As for foundation. You may find yourself amazed at how quickly and how much comb they will build... If you can get new foundation and frames on the hive immediately, then do so. In a pinch, you can divide a single sheet of foundation into three pieces and put those into three separate frames. Be sure that they are attached to the top (topbar) of the frames, rather than the bottoms - since they will build down... When doing this, don't have any wire reinforcements running along the frames except for where the foundation extends... I presume these will be for brood anyway, so the reinforcement is not really necessary... They will draw out the existing foundation and *hopefully* continue to build down within the frame. They may also of course just end up putting in cross comb, but I've had pretty good luck doing just as I've described when I was low on foundation. Dave T. Article 11290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: peter.hutton@amigabee.org.uk (Peter Hutton) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!peter.hutton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive question Message-ID: <888962448@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 04:15:54 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 2d43bfa9 REPLY: 240:44/0 985b7cc2 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(226) Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11290 Sure, western red cedar (Thuja plicata) is used in the UK for hive making as it is naturally rot resistant and light weight as well. It machines well and is often clear of knots. If you are comb slotting the joints you must have a harder backing board to prevent spelching otherwise the cutters tend to tear out the back of the joint. Woodpeckers make quick work through the hand holds but they do that even in ply. A friend of mine uses Wellingtonia, (Sequoia dendron) for his hives again because of the wide boards and freedom from knots but these area lot heavier. Most important thing when making hives is that you get the beespace right and that the frames fit snugly. I make all my own hives, frames. foundation etc. Poor old dealers never see me these days. Best wishes from the Garden of England Peter Hutton --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) Article 11291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.iag.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:33:36 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 115 Message-ID: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> References: <34F5B948.613BB192@mines.edu> <199803011855.KAA00630@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) To: Brian@ne.mediaone.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11291 Anonymous wrote: > I think it would probably be possible to detect Varroa presence by > sampling > field bees, although whether anyone has been able to work out some > sort of > linear relation between the rate of field bee parasitization and total > number > of Varroa in the hive is an open question. Might make a good research > project > or subject for a doctoral dissertation. I don't think it would be likely to detect varroa presence by sampling field bees. Two reasons, one is that field bees are older bees and there has been some recent research that indicates that the "mite resistance" that some breeders are finding has to do with the varroa and the trachael mites being able to sense the age of the bee and hitching a ride on (varroa) or entering the trachea of (trachael) *young* bees. Think about it.. would survival of varroa mites be better served by feeding on young nurse bees in the brood nest, then dropping into the cells to breed during the pupal stage of other bees? Or would the survival of the varroa be better served by hitchhiking a ride on any age bee and face the possibility of foraging with her, falling off, and never reproducing? The second reason is that it would be a PIA to sample bees loosely scattered in the field instead of concentrated in the hive. And, if one assumes that counting varroa on field bees was a reasonable way to assess infestation, then if you did find a varroa mite on a foraging bee, how would you know which colony to treat? However, I think the answer would be *all of them--now!* 'cuz i suspect that if you found a varroa mite on a field bee, it would probably be a really bad sign > When the bees are in the hive, I believe the mites move from bee to > bee rather > readily, without regard to the age of the bees involved. Quick little > buggers > too, as anyone who has watched them crawling around on a bee for a > while can > attest. Even if they didn't change bees from time to time though, a > certain > percentage of young bees would mature into field bee age with a mite > or two on > 'em, wouldn't they? So it should definitely be possible to detect > Varroa > presence by sampling the field bees. I don't think so. By the time a honeybee has matured to the point that she is a forager (14-20 days in the summer) the varroa have already had their blood meal and are in the soon to be capped cells laying their eggs. Pay attention to your colonies this summer when the honey supers are on, notice how many varroa aren't on the bees working the supers (especially if you have an upper hive entrance), or better yet--crouch next to your landing board and watch the bees landing on the bottom board, bet you see no varroa on them. > I have a similar question about Varroa though, which is how to > estimate the > mite load on the bees for purposes of deciding whether to treat with > Apistan > or not. For most commercial beekeepers, I guess this is not an issue, > since it is my > understanding that they always treat. But I'm just a hobbyist with a > few > hives, like to be as "organic" as I can, and don't like the added > expense of > the miticide if it's not strictly necessary. Read the publications... IBRA (International Beekeeping Research Association), whose web site is at http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/ has a marvelous publication on varroa mites. The publications indicate that for each type of mite, at different times of year and in different climates, there are different threshholds for treatment. Two extreme examples for MA, USA, if in September i found no more than two mites per colony in a bee yard (in ~50 scratched brood; 100 young adults in an ether roll; AND on the bottom board) I wouldn't treat any of the colonies in that yard. If, however, i found the same in April.. I'd definitely treat. > Currently I'm trying some experiments to get a handle on this. But > like much > in agriculture, it's slow going. Anybody out there already try their > own > experiments, or have any words of wisdom on this question that they'd > like to > share? FWIW, there it is... Kathy (who wishes there was an old, wild, possibly resistant colony near here also) P.S. Brian, sorry I missed your original post, i think that if you really want to test that colony's varroa resistance, try following some of the methods of colony trapping published in the recent years in the bee mags, or try a search through deja news. Once you get them onto moveable frames, you ought to be able to test them. I'd love to know what you find. > Brian asked: > > >I am interested in information about how to detect Varroa mites in > field > >bees or if these mites just stay on nurse bees in the hive. I know > the > >location of at least one easily monitored wild hive which has been > >apparently very healthy for at least three years in the Golden, > Colorado > >area and I am interested in attempting to determine if this wild hive > > >has any natural resistance to Varroa or simply has not been exposed > yet. > > Article 11292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Durk Ellison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apitherapy Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:32:52 +0200 Organization: Scifi Communications International, http://www.sci.fi/, helpdesk@sci.fi, +358 3 2899111 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6dgpoo$mhb$2@tron.sci.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: dclxxvii.hdyn.sci.fi X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-hh.maz.net!news-feed.dus.tfi.de!news-feed.sto.telegate.se!nntp.inet.fi!news.sci.fi!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11292 For those of you that are interested " The Apitherapy Reference Data Base" WEB page is now available at http://www.sci.fi/~apither/ -- -- Regards from: Durk Ellison Vantaa, Finland BeeNet : 240:346/300.8 e-mail : Durk.Ellison@beenet.pp.sci.fi Packet : oh2zas @ oh2rbt.#hki.fin.eu Article 11293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.20.110.210!fresh!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:47:49 -0800 Message-ID: <199803031647.IAA00594@ix.netcom.com> From: Anonymous Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 184 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11293 Kathy replied to my question: > >Anonymous wrote: > >> I think it would probably be possible to detect Varroa presence by >> sampling >> field bees, although whether anyone has been able to work out some >> sort of >> linear relation between the rate of field bee parasitization and total >> number >> of Varroa in the hive is an open question. Might make a good research >> project >> or subject for a doctoral dissertation. > >I don't think it would be likely to detect varroa presence by sampling >field bees. Two reasons, one is that field bees are older bees and there >has been some recent research that indicates that the "mite resistance" >that some breeders are finding has to do with the varroa and the >trachael mites being able to sense the age of the bee and hitching a >ride on (varroa) or entering the trachea of (trachael) *young* bees. If mites are able to do this, and never infest older bees, either leaving them for a younger bee or a pupa, that would be very significant, you're right. But if that's been conclusively established, it's news to me. However, I recall finding mites on bees that have ridden in on the fabric of my clothes when I've worked with them, and those were very likely field bees that were trying to repel an "invader" -- me, the beekeeper. >Think about it.. would survival of varroa mites be better served by >feeding on young nurse bees in the brood nest, then dropping into the >cells to breed during the pupal stage of other bees? Or would the >survival of the varroa be better served by hitchhiking a ride on any age >bee and face the possibility of foraging with her, falling off, and >never reproducing? True, but I don't think they they fall off very readily. Wish they did though. > >The second reason is that it would be a PIA to sample bees loosely >scattered in the field instead of concentrated in the hive. And, if one >assumes that counting varroa on field bees was a reasonable way to >assess infestation, then if you did find a varroa mite on a foraging >bee, how would you know which colony to treat? The easy way would be to sample by placing a trap at the colony entrance, such that as the bees enter or exit, a certain percentage could be inspected. I think that's what Brian was talking about anyway. >However, I think the >answer would be *all of them--now!* 'cuz i suspect that if you found a >varroa mite on a field bee, it would probably be a really bad sign > >> When the bees are in the hive, I believe the mites move from bee to >> bee rather >> readily, without regard to the age of the bees involved. Quick little >> buggers >> too, as anyone who has watched them crawling around on a bee for a >> while can >> attest. Even if they didn't change bees from time to time though, a >> certain >> percentage of young bees would mature into field bee age with a mite >> or two on >> 'em, wouldn't they? So it should definitely be possible to detect >> Varroa >> presence by sampling the field bees. > >I don't think so. By the time a honeybee has matured to the point that >she is a forager (14-20 days in the summer) the varroa have already had >their blood meal and are in the soon to be capped cells laying their >eggs. Pay attention to your colonies this summer when the honey supers >are on, notice how many varroa aren't on the bees working the supers >(especially if you have an upper hive entrance), or better yet--crouch >next to your landing board and watch the bees landing on the bottom >board, bet you see no varroa on them. > >> I have a similar question about Varroa though, which is how to >> estimate the >> mite load on the bees for purposes of deciding whether to treat with >> Apistan >> or not. For most commercial beekeepers, I guess this is not an issue, >> since it is my >> understanding that they always treat. But I'm just a hobbyist with a >> few >> hives, like to be as "organic" as I can, and don't like the added >> expense of >> the miticide if it's not strictly necessary. > >Read the publications... IBRA (International Beekeeping Research >Association), whose web site is at http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/ has a >marvelous publication on varroa mites. The publications indicate that >for each type of mite, at different times of year and in different >climates, there are different threshholds for treatment. Two extreme >examples for MA, USA, if in September i found no more than two mites >per colony in a bee yard (in ~50 scratched brood; 100 young adults in an >ether roll; AND on the bottom board) I wouldn't treat any of the >colonies in that yard. If, however, i found the same in April.. I'd >definitely treat. > >> Currently I'm trying some experiments to get a handle on this. But >> like much >> in agriculture, it's slow going. Anybody out there already try their >> own >> experiments, or have any words of wisdom on this question that they'd >> like to >> share? > >FWIW, there it is... Thanks. > >Kathy (who wishes there was an old, wild, possibly resistant colony near >here also) I have one here that is going into its third year. Article 11294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Low on foundation: Was - Re: First swarm of the year Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:56:53 -0700 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 29 Message-ID: <34FCC2F5.CB10D15@mines.edu> References: <6dcij3$gur@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6dhvj4$vng$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11294 David J Trickett wrote: > > > As for foundation. You may find yourself amazed at how quickly and how much comb they will > build... If you can get new foundation and frames on the hive immediately, then do so. In a > pinch, you can divide a single sheet of foundation into three pieces and put those into three > separate frames. Be sure that they are attached to the top (topbar) of the frames, rather than > the bottoms - since they will build down... When doing this, don't have any wire > reinforcements running along the frames except for where the foundation extends... I presume > these will be for brood anyway, so the reinforcement is not really necessary... They will draw > out the existing foundation and *hopefully* continue to build down within the frame. They may > also of course just end up putting in cross comb, but I've had pretty good luck doing just as > I've described when I was low on foundation. > > Dave T. I've also had pretty fair luck by spacing empty frames amongst fully drawn frames of wax. If the hive is level, the bees will usually do a pretty good job of filling out a frame with straight comb, assuming the combs on either side are straight and even. Not practical for a commercial operation I understand, but as I am a small hobbiest who cannot afford an extractor, I usually end up just cutting the honeycomb out of the frames anyway. Not as much honey as they have to replace all the wax each year, but I still have enough honey and I can use the wax anyway. Brian Allen Article 11295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Packaged Bees Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:03:56 -0500 Lines: 24 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-39.cvl.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-39.cvl.hom.net Message-ID: <34fcd413.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.oru.edu!nntp.mid-ga.com!news1.mid-ga.com!pm3-1-user-39.cvl.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11295 I'm looking for a packaged bee supplier in central Louisiana. Anybody know of one? Thanks in advance... -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries 1304 Davis Avenue Perry, Georgia 31069 Beeman@Georgia.com http://www.GEORGIAHONEY.com ============================ Heart of Georgia Beekeepers Association http://www.hom.net/~beeman ======================== SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 http://www.gnfa.com Article 11296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.117.161.1!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 20:49:51 -0700 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 65 Message-ID: <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu> References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> <199803031647.IAA00594@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) To: Anonymous Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11296 I was actually thinking of taking a sampling of bees from the enterance of the wild hive. Since this hive has appeared quite healthy for three years, and I believe there is Varroa in Golden, CO, I was hoping maybe they had some degree of resistance. If I find they do have mites, but they continue to survive then I may be on to something. If they have no mites, then they either have not been exposed or they are fully mite resistant (both of which seem unlikely), and I'm not sure if it would be possible to tell which without purposfully infecting them, which I am not inclined to do. It wouldn't be difficult to get a good quantity of bees from the entrance (difficult is a relative term, the hive is in a hollow maple tree with the hive entrance probably 25 feet up), but it would be relatively impossible to get a sample of bees from a brood comb as is mentioned in most varroa testing I have read about. The other issue is that the tree is actually in someone's front yard, and I am loath to approach them about it because I fear that if they do not already know about the hive they might over-react and call the exterminator. It seems to me that varroa mites MUST also infect field bees at least to a small degree or the mites would never be transfered from hive to hive. Either an infected field bee must enter a non-infected hive, a robber field bee from a non-infected hive must enter an infected hive and carry mites back out, or a mite must move from an infected field bee to a field bee from a non-infected hive while both are at the same flower. If varroa mites never infect field bees, I can't see how they can possibly spread other then by accompanying swarms. The intent of my question really was to try and determine how many field bees I would have to collect from the enterance of a wild hive to be sure of an accurate diagnosis of a hive. I assume even a single mite means the hive is invected, but do I need to sample 10, 100 or 1000 field bees at the hive enterance to ensure an accurate diagnosis? Of course this will vary with the infestation level of the hive, but you get the idea. Evidentally no one had done it yet, but as someone else said, it would be very interesting for someone to do a comparison experiment correlating varroa loads on different types and ages of bees from the same hive. Something like: 1mite/100 field bees = 10 mites/100 nurse bees = 7 mites/100 worker brood = 50 mites/100 drone brood. It wouldn't seem that hard to do. I'm just a hobbyist with (as of yet) mite free bees at a relatively remote mountain location, or I'd volunteer do it myself and post the results. How about it anyone? I also know there are honey bees in parts of a nearby national forest I hike occasionally. Since I see field bees working flowers quite deep into the forest, I am assuming they are from wild hives. As these bees are in very mountainous terrain, I assume they have not yet been exposed, but you never know. Since I have just been wandering around the woods anyway, and since I have long been interested trying "bee hunting" or "bee lining", I figured I could just combine some of these activities and monitor a few of these hives (if I ever find any and if they do turn out to be wild) for mite resistance. No offence to the many fine people who are trying to develop mite resistant bees, but I believe that the solution to this problem will likely come from mother nature rather than the hand of man. When it comes to higher yields, gentleness, or low swarm inclination, selective breeding is essential as natural selection will not breed for traits over and above what is required for species survival, but when it comes to sheer survival, no human program can possibly match the ruthless culling of the weak and the huge variety of genetic combnations going on in the "natural experiment". Brian Article 11297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Low on foundation: Was - Re: First swarm of the year Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 04:19:14 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6dikl5$po6$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <6dcij3$gur@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6dhvj4$vng$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <34FCC2F5.CB10D15@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp07.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11297 In article <3bs on either side are straight and even. Not practical > for a commercial >operation I understand, but as I am a small hobbiest who cannot afford an > extractor, I usually end >up just cutting the honeycomb out of the frames anyway. Not as much honey as > they have to replace >all the wax each year, but I still have enough honey and I can use the wax > anyway. > >Brian Allen > I am a small but smooth operator, too, overseeing one top bar hive this year. Yesterday I gave a gift baggie of some of the comb honey to a lady and she was as happy as if I had given her gold. Top bar hive honeycomb is very fine indeed. Article 11298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 04:43:31 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6dim2q$r2k$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> <199803031647.IAA00594@ix.netcom.com> <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp07.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11298 In article < I'm with you Brian. Last month I was hiking in one of the Palm Springs Indian Canyons and there is a honeybee hive in a rock crevice that the guide showed us. Apparently that hive has lived there continuously for a quite a long time. A person should be able to check out a feral hive like that with one of those fiber optic arthroscopy tubes. Those tubes come equipped with lights and little snippers and magnifying glasses so that maybe you could confirm your theories with one of those medical instruments like that if you could figure out where the doctors get those items. Article 11299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: 4 Mar 1998 08:23:25 -0500 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 70 Message-ID: <6djkkd$gca@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> <199803031647.IAA00594@ix.netcom.com> <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11299 In article <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu>, Brian wrote: >No offence to the many fine people who are trying to develop mite resistant bees, >but I believe that the solution to this problem will likely come from mother >nature rather than the hand of man. When it comes to higher yields, gentleness, >or low swarm inclination, selective breeding is essential as natural selection >will not breed for traits over and above what is required for species survival, >but when it comes to sheer survival, no human program can possibly match the >ruthless culling of the weak and the huge variety of genetic combnations going on >in the "natural experiment". I beg to differ. If one is going to assume that natural selection is a main driving force in evolutionary success, then one may also assume that *selection* itself drives the success. Artificial selection has been very successful in agriculture, for example observe any domesticated animals. How about dogs. In less than 500 years, the two dog breeds, Great Dane and Chihuahua have been selected for, by man. They are still the same species, but if given time, they'd probably become reproductively isolated. (I picked the breeds for that reason ;-) ). This time-frame of 500 years for this advanced divergence blows natural selection away in (philosophically speaking) efficiency. Artificial selection, via human program, has out done natural selection. Lets look at honey bees. First off, since _Apis mellifera_ is not native to North America, the comparison of natural selection to artificial selection is somewhat fruitless--since a "human program" brought the honey bees to this habitat. Perhaps honey bees would be very different if they had not crossed the Atlantic, perhaps not. Why didn't an analogous form evolve here in North America? Who knows, but bees in North America are here from man's intervention--as are Varroa. Therefore, the stage is set, selectionally speaking, to be biased toward artificial. Natural selection doesn't breed for traits. Natural selection isn't a mechanism--it's a concept. The key word in natural selection is random. Random. Why couldn't there be a bee phenotype that was Varroa resistant and produced honey? There could. Through the process of natural selection, via the mechanisms of each organism's gene expression in progeny, there will be random combinations. It is entirely feasible that through natural selection, there could be no offspring that could survive the environment, and the organism could locally go extinct. An example would be intense Winter colony losses a few years after Varroa appeared. You wrote: "but when it comes to sheer survival, no human program can possibly match the ruthless culling of the weak and the huge variety of genetic combinations going on in the "natural experiment"." Perhaps. But, since honey bees are agricultural animals and have been selected by man for a very long time, this "huge variety of genetic combinations" you describe is not too huge. The idea that out there somewhere is a hive with traits for Varroa mite tolerance is somewhat naive--since we haven't really determined exactly how this mite damages hives. Maybe, when knowledge is obtained about the mite's mode of action, and what exactly is happening at a physiological level, we'll be able to *know* what to select for, and push down hard on our selection. The model of "finding the single resistant hive" is optimistic, but I fear, not feasible. Phenotypes change in populations slowly. Honey bees are extremely difficult to breed. Ask any breeder. Adam (my margins are set to 75) -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 11300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.20.110.210!fresh!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:35:30 -0800 Message-ID: <199803040435.UAA00559@ix.netcom.com> From: Anonymous Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11300 Brian wrote: > >It seems to me that varroa mites MUST also infect field bees at least to a >small >degree or the mites would never be transfered from hive to hive. Either an >infected field bee must enter a non-infected hive, a robber field bee from a >non-infected hive must enter an infected hive and carry mites back out, or a >mite >must move from an infected field bee to a field bee from a non-infected hive >while >both are at the same flower. If varroa mites never infect field bees, I >can't see >how they can possibly spread other then by accompanying swarms. > I have heard the theory that parasitized drones, drifting from hive to hive, are the primary means of spreading Varroa. Good luck, and let us know how it goes. Article 11301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.clara.net!nnrp1.clara.net!not-for-mail From: James Brown Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: LATEST NEWS ON B.S.E. -- COW.DOC (0/3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 98 17:52:20 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <980304175220.n0000908.james.b@mail.clara.net> Reply-To: James Brown NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.75.226 X-Attachment: COW.DOC (0/3) X-Newsreader: atlantis mail 32 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11301 Thank-you for reading this news article. Please deccode the following attatchment to find out the very latest on B.S.E. 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Gosse kgosse@waun.tdsnet.com> writes >>I raise greenhouse tomatoes organically in a 22,000 sq. ft. >>glasshouse. I have a commercially purchased hive of bumble bees and >>they seem to do a very nice job of pollination. The lifespan of the >>hive is only 8-12 weeks, then it needs to be replaced. If the hive dies >>out, how is it that they survive in the wild? It would seem to me that >>at least a few young bees must move on to start a new hive. Is there >>some way to help them continue a hive? Anyone know of a good source of >>bumble hives for less than $300 per hive? >>Thanks > On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:51:38 +0000, Paul Walton wrote: >Could it be that the exclusive diet of tomato pollen is insufficient for >the bumblebee colony to survive on? I understand that the quality of >pollen from tomatoes is of relatively poor quality and, consequently, it >is notoriously difficult to get them pollinated on a commercial scale. > >You might try providing a supplementary pollen source and see if that >extends the colonies life expectancy. Perhaps some sort of underplanting >might help. Kevin Your problem with bumblebees is that they are basicly "one-season" colonies just like yellow jackets or social wasps. The queen comes out of hibernation and starts up a nest . At the end of the season new queens and males are produced, mate and the new queens go into hibernation after feeding up . Some species may spent 6+ months in hibernation. The old queen dies and the rest of the colony fades away. Only a very few tropical species last more than one season. This sort of strategy works very well in temperate climates but doesn't help you much as I suspect your commercial growing season spans a much longer period than the outside bumblebee colonies. Basicly the problem is getting the queen into and out of hibernation. As far as I understand it commercial bumblebee suppliers use two doses of carbon dioxide narcosis to break diapause and persuade the queeens to nest "early" (There are a number of papers on commercial bumblebee production around which I havn't managed to get hold of yet, so if anyone knows if this info is wrong please let me know). They can then bring bumblebees into production early enough for commercial growers longer season. I don't think providing any supplementary pollen sources would help either. Firstly, if you provide alternative foodplants then you are encouraging you bees away from their job of buzz pollinating your tomatoes. Secondly, it may actually reduce the effective colonies working life span by encouraging the early production of new queens and males ( one of the theories about sexual caste production says that a certain level of food input to the colony triggers the production of queens etc.). If this happens then your colony shuts down "earlier " than anticipated. It is possible to start your own bumblebee colonies in spring when there are "wild" queens flying about. If you are getting charged $300 per colony then I would certainly try ( I presume $300 is quite a lot of tomatoes). Essentialy you have to catch an appropriate queen and persuade her to start a nest in you box. Either that of see if you can find a wild colony and transfer it into your greenhouse. As long as you open the vents for a few days to let the resulting queens and males back into the wild there should be no overall "net loss" to the surrounding environment with this method. Thera are several publications that give you the information about how to start bumblebee colonies in captivity. I have also found a web site for Koppert Ltd which gives some more info about their commercial bumblebee rearing operations (although they STILL have not replied to my e-mail queries), so have a look and see what you can find. Regards Matt Article 11306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:28:18 -0700 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 159 Message-ID: <34FDC771.C978EAE8@mines.edu> References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> <199803031647.IAA00594@ix.netcom.com> <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu> <6djkkd$gca@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) To: Adam Finkelstein Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11306 Adam Finkelstein wrote: I beg to differ. Well, you certainly can. I agree that most likely any mite resistant bees we will see will come from a human breeding program anyway, simply because when a resistance is developed in a human program, these bees will be bread by the millions and spread across the country while any wild hive with resistance will multiply itself only very slowly and will probably escape detection for decades, by which time we humans will probably have completed our work. > If one is going to assume that natural selection is a main driving force in > evolutionary success, then one may also assume that *selection* itself > drives the success. Artificial selection has been very successful in > agriculture, for example observe any domesticated animals. Of course selection is the main driving force for evolution. And nature is very harsh in her selection process. Only those hives with the best environments AND with some form of resistance will survive. And since nature has many more hives than any human breeding program, (not necessarily more hives, but more untreated hives) she has more chance of finding a somewhat resistant hive. > How about dogs. > In less than 500 years, the two dog breeds, Great Dane and Chihuahua have > been selected for, by man. They are still the same species, but if given > time, they'd probably become reproductively isolated. (I picked the breeds > for that reason ;-) ). This time-frame of 500 years for this advanced > divergence blows natural selection away in (philosophically speaking) > efficiency. Not necessarily. You cannot make a parallel between human selective breeding of these dogs and natural selection. Nature would not have developed either the great dane or the chihuahua as there was no survival trait being selected for. Nature never would have developed these strains, so you cannot say that she was inefficient for not doing so in 500 years. > Artificial selection, via human program, has out done natural > selection. When selecting for the traits which humans desire. When selecting for traits which ensure survival of the species, nature has us beat hands down. > Lets look at honey bees. First off, since _Apis mellifera_ is not native to > North America, the comparison of natural selection to artificial selection > is somewhat fruitless--since a "human program" brought the honey bees to > this habitat. Native or non-native is immaterial. They are here and wild hives are subject to the forces of nature for their survival. Therefore barring human interference natural selection is in operation. > Perhaps honey bees would be very different if they had not > crossed the Atlantic, perhaps not. Why didn't an analogous form evolve here > in North America? Analogous forms did, several in fact. Not identical forms, but ones which fill the same "ecological niche". > Who knows, but bees in North America are here from man's > intervention--as are Varroa. Therefore, the stage is set, selectionally > speaking, to be biased toward artificial. > > Natural selection doesn't breed for traits. Natural selection isn't a > mechanism--it's a concept. The key word in natural selection is random. > Random. I both agree and disagree with you here. There is randomness, true, and on a scale inconcievable to reproduce in a human controlled experiment. And here is natures strength, out of all of these combinations, random nature has a much better chance of hitting that right jackpot sequence of genes than man, even with his reason and intelligence, does. But the process is not entirely random and natural selection does breed for traits, in this case the trait of being able to survive for the longest period with varroa mites. Nature will not breed for the traits humans want, but nature most certainly does breed for survival traits. Hives with more natural resistance to varroa will live through more breeding cycles, they will therefore reproduce more, and will more often cross with other hives who also live longer due to some natural resistance. Some offspring will not carry either of these traits and will be infested and die, some will carry one or the other and may survive long enough to complete a few breeding cycles. Some may carry both traits and survive more breeding cycles, leading to more opportunities to breed with other hives with some resistance traits. Assuming all wild hives are not totally overwhelmed and become extinct first, eventually hives which can rid them selves of varroa or live indefinitely with it will emerge. > Why couldn't there be a bee phenotype that was Varroa resistant and > produced honey? There is, the bumblebee. Not much honey to be sure, but honey none the less. I don't want to pull your chain too much here, but why doesn't the super-efficient human selection program just forget mite resistant honey bees and breed a bumblebee which can produce as much honey? ;-) > There could. Through the process of natural selection, via > the mechanisms of each organism's gene expression in progeny, there will be > random combinations. It is entirely feasible that through natural > selection, there could be no offspring that could survive the environment, > and the organism could locally go extinct. An example would be intense Winter > colony losses a few years after Varroa appeared. > True, if no hives posses enough survival traits to live through a few breeding cycles, the whole species will die out. But in this case nature has an ally in man who through his efforts will not let that happen. Of course man also keeps the mites alive by keeping the infested bees alive. Maybe if a true natural cycle was established, it would not involve resistant bees at all, but would develop more like a standard predator-prey population cycle. Sort of like the foxes and hares in some arctic environments. When the hare population is up, the fox population begins to increase dramatically due to the good food supply, as the fox population increases, the hare population crashes due to predation. Then the fox population crashes due to starvation. Released from the fox problem, the few remaining hares reproduce quickly leading to a population explosion which starts the process all over again. Who knows. I wish you luck, but I think nature may beat you. You wrote: > "but when it comes to sheer survival, no human program can possibly match > the ruthless culling of the weak and the huge variety of genetic > combinations going on in the "natural experiment"." > > Perhaps. But, since honey bees are agricultural animals and have been > selected by man for a very long time, this "huge variety of genetic > combinations" you describe is not too huge. Actually, because of the human intervention the genetic variation is probably higher than it would be otherwise. Since humans have been breeding bees for their own purposes, they have introduced genetic traits nature never would have developed. > The idea that out there > somewhere is a hive with traits for Varroa mite tolerance is somewhat > naive--since we haven't really determined exactly how this mite damages > hives. Some hives live longer than others when infested with varroa. Much of this is due to environmental conditions, but there must be some variation in natural mite resistance levels. The fact that you do not know exactly how the mite damages hives is immaterial. > Maybe, when knowledge is obtained about the mite's mode of action, and what exactly > is happening at a physiological level, we'll be able to > *know* what to select for, and push down hard on our selection. You are making my point. If you do not even know what to select for, how can you hope to be successful? But I really don't understand what you are saying here, aren't you trying to select for bees that can survive mites? > The model of "finding the single resistant hive" is optimistic, but I fear, > not feasible. Phenotypes change in populations slowly. I don't expect to find the gold mine of a totally resistant hive, in fact I don't personally expect to find anything, but if someone finds a hive that can live untreated for a few more years than current strains, that would be a benefit. > Honey bees are extremely difficult to breed. Ask any breeder. I do not doubt you. Another reason nature might just do it first. Adam (my margins are set to 7 Brian Article 11307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: NHJV32A@prodigy.com (William Hughes jr.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Carniolans Date: 5 Mar 1998 02:56:01 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6dl481$5dmi$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <34f78401.964ffc3@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap1-int.news.prodigy.com X-Post-Time: 5 Mar 1998 02:56:01 GMT X-Auth-User: 000000000/8964f87f695c29b2 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11307 Carniolans (Yugos) are mean. New World Carniolans are not - WILLIAM HUGHES JR. Bent Holly Honey Farm NHJV32A@prodigy.com Article 11308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping journals Date: 5 Mar 1998 07:04:51 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd4805$2a93af40$86b6fcc1@toshiba> References: <34F968D4.9410AF6@ucsd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri1-134.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11308 Try http://www.beekeeping.org/goodies/journaux.htm Gilles Ratia gilees.ratia@apiservices.com Article 11309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: 5 Mar 1998 07:11:39 -0500 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 118 Message-ID: <6dm4pr$co9@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu> <6djkkd$gca@titan.oit.unc.edu> <34FDC771.C978EAE8@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11309 In article <34FDC771.C978EAE8@mines.edu>, Brian wrote: Brian's writing shown by ">" (in the heat of debate, lets not forget to make our posts legible--remember not everyone has a terminal like yours. Set your margins in your software to be no greater than 78. The we can easily read your words...) > >Well, you certainly can. I agree that most likely any mite resistant bees we will see >will come from a human breeding program anyway, simply because when a resistance is >developed in a human program, these bees will be bread by the millions and spread >across the country while any wild hive with resistance will multiply itself only very >slowly and will probably escape detection for decades, by which time we humans will >probably have completed our work. I disagree. As I stated in my last post, the archetypal image of the lone hive with resistance spreading to other hives slowly just is not accurate. Not for honey bees in North America. You show me where there is a documented hive that has remained for three years or so, passing it's "good genes" to other colonies and I'll agree--but I know this doesn't exist. First of all, mark you queens this Spring, with a marking meterial that stays. Then look at the colonies in the Fall. You tell me how many of the original queens (marked ones) are still there. Or, stack a pile of empty bee equipment somewhere. Check it every six months. I'll bet you a beer that the stack is going to have bees in it eventually. Are these bees the elusive Mother Nature bees we all want? Who knows? Who knows where they're from. Okay, so just for fun, let's say that you've found 2 hives that have made it . These are the ones that through chance and heredity, have the phenotype for survival. How are these genetic combinations going to be incorporated into the whole population? And when? What's to stop this resistance from just not making it and dying out? Your notion of "progress" in natural selection is historically very significant. It is derived from the platonic belief that evolution is a change in form from a lower to higher form-- and now with natural selection and progress, that natural selection is progressive and will favor a "more fit" individual. These resistant bees have as equal a chance to live their four years, and then die out--with their genes hardly making a dent in the population, as they do being progressively influential on the population. Can you accept this scenario? >Of course selection is the main driving force for evolution. Is it? Maybe you should browse through some review articles of the last twenty years in evolutionary biology research. There are many problems with a selectionist frame of reference. >Not necessarily. You cannot make a parallel between human selective breeding>of these dogs and natural selection. Why not? They are both the same aren't they? As a human breeder I'm employing the same mechanisms. Certainly I'm putting pressure and bias on the outcome, but that was my point, that utilizing the same mechanism you tout as so deterministically superior, a breeder can achieve a good goal in amazingly less time then your personification of natural selection: "mother nature". > >When selecting for the traits which humans desire. When selecting for traits> which ensure survival of the species, nature has us beat hands down. Oh really. How about some examples to back this up? So according to this statement then, any organism that has been selected for by man, has it's survival traits compromised? You're not making any sense here. >Native or non-native is immaterial. They are here and wild hives are >subject to the forces of nature for their survival. Therefore barring >human interference natural selection is in operation. Ah, but you contradict yourself here absolutely. Honey bees and Varroa mites would not be here, if only natural selection as you call it, took place. Since the idea of biogeography is _so_ essential to evolutionary biology and theory, and you are unaware of this, what happens to your argument? Read anything by Ernst Mayr. He knows a little about selection. And biogeography. Look Brian, honey bees *are* managed--they are agricultural animals. They are not native, not wild, not feral. Have you any idea how rare a feral hive of Apis mellifera is? Check out Nathan Schiff's work. He sampled the mitochndrial DNA from bees all around the country and found them to be fairly similar. The "wild bees" found in a spot somewhere, are more than likely to be a swarm from another beekeepers bee yard. >inconcievable to reproduce in a human controlled experiment. And here is natures >strength, out of all of these combinations, random nature has a much better chance of >hitting that right jackpot sequence of genes than man, even with his reason and >intelligence, does. But the process is not entirely random and natural selection does It's all numbers. Given population genetics, how can bees breeding in the "wild" differ from bees being bred next door, when both bees are exotic to the habitat, and the pressure against the bees is an exotic parasite? (I wrote from the last post) >> Why couldn't there be a bee phenotype that was Varroa resistant and >> produced honey? (Brian answered) >There is, the bumblebee. This is a different species from a different genus. If you cannot grasp the significance of species differentiation in this argument, I'll cease. Selection across genera is way out of this forum. Bringing it up points to the need for more background research on your part. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 11310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.Mines.EDU!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:36:20 -0700 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34FEE294.8462F5A0@mines.edu> References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu> <6djkkd$gca@titan.oit.unc.edu> <34FDC771.C978EAE8@mines.edu> <6dm4pr$co9@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11310 Wow Adam, you sound like you are afraid of losing your research grant if you admit that maybe nature will solve this problem all on it's own. Surely you can admit at least that possibility? Anyway, as I wouldn't want to be responsible for your children going hungry, I will wish you good luck and bid you fairwell. Brian Article 11311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: 5 Mar 1998 20:32:24 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6dn24o$poq$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> <34FDC771.C978EAE8@mines.edu> <6dm4pr$co9@titan.oit.unc.edu> <34FEE294.8462F5A0@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11311 In article <34FEE294.8462F5A0@mines.edu>, Brian wrote: >Wow Adam, you sound like you are afraid of losing your research grant if you admit that maybe nature will solve this problem all on it's own. Surely you >can admit at least that possibility? Anyway, as I wouldn't want to be responsible for your children going hungry, I will wish you good luck and bid you >fairwell. And a "fairwell" to you too, Brian. I wish I _had_ a research grant to lose. :-) Maybe someday. Everything is part of it, including us. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!vncnews!HSNX.wco.com!nntp.csuchico.edu!steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu!cherylm From: "Cheryl A. Mitchell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: candy? Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:32:40 -0800 Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11312 I am doing a project for school on keeping bees. I know nothing about them and I am trying to learn about it for my project. I was reading some of the articles that this group posted, and I was wondering why you are feeding bees, and why you are feeding them candy? Don't they gather there own food to make honey? Any info on the subject that you could e-mail to me would be great. Thanks for your help. Cheryl Mitchell Article 11313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: silversail@aol.com (Silversail) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candy? Date: 6 Mar 1998 01:45:27 GMT Lines: 48 Message-ID: <19980306014501.UAA29776@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11313 >I am doing a project for school on keeping bees. I know nothing about them >and I am trying to learn about it for my project. I was reading some of >the articles that this group posted, and I was wondering why you are >feeding bees, and why you are feeding them candy? Don't they gather there >own food to make honey? Any info on the subject that you could e-mail to >me would be great. Thanks for your help. >Cheryl Mitchell There are several ways and reasons that you would need to feed bees. Right now is splitting time here in the south. Now in order to get good splits you've got to have bees and brood. I n order for bees to reproduce you have to have two things pollen and nectar. The queen won't lay eggs if ther is nothing coming into the hive. So during the winter reproduction is slow to a crawl..unless encouraged by the beekeeper. Here pollen starts coming in during the first week of January. Nectar comes in sporadiacally during late jan and feb. Very little of it. Not enough to get the queen eager. So our job is to provide a little stimulation. I use two gallon buckets inverted over the top bars inside each hive. this provides the bees with 10 days of "artificial honey flow". This gets the queen to laying and once she starts she doesn't stop. A couple of feeds in late jan and february and I've got bees boiling out of three boxes by March 1 with capped over brood in all three. Thats four good splits from one hive. The most primary reason is for feed not stimulation. During the summer you're raping them of all their stored food. Theoretically there supposed to replace enough of it during the fall flow to make it through the winter, but all beehives are not equal. Some need a little help. So you feed em or they starve to death. During the winter theres no nectar for them to get. The different feeds: Liquid feed during the winter is fine. It stimulates laying and is also a high energy food. Its this time of year you have to worry about. This is swarm season. If you feed a strong and over populated hive at this time of year it will likely swarm on you now that it figures the honey flow has started. So if the hive is a little lite and still needs a little help. What do you feed? Candy or just plain old sugar. The reason being this. Liquid syrup is high fructose. Sugar is sucrose and contains less "energy" for the bees. So it does not stimulate them the same way. therfore they are less likely to swarm. I hope this helps a little. If you have any other questions or need some more clarification for your project feel free to e-mail me at any time. Robert Williamson Williamson Apiaries Southeast Texas Article 11314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chip McCurdy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eva Claire Marie Delaplane Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:30:33 -0500 Lines: 28 Organization: Ambrosia Apiaries X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-41.cvl.hom.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-1-user-41.cvl.hom.net Message-ID: <34ff999e.0@news1.mid-ga.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!pm3-1-user-41.cvl.hom.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11314 Here are the first pictures of Dr. & Mrs. Keith Delaplane's new baby taken Saturday February 28, at the Georgia Beekeepers Association spring meeting... http://www.georgiahoney.com/page5.htm -- Chip McCurdy Ambrosia Apiaries 1304 Davis Avenue Perry, Georgia 31069 Beeman@Georgia.com http://www.GEORGIAHONEY.com ============================ Heart of Georgia Beekeepers Association http://www.hom.net/~beeman ======================== SEE OUR EXHIBIT AT THE GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR IN PERRY, GEORGIA USA OCTOBER 9th thru 18th 1998 http://www.gnfa.com Article 11315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.219.255.8!argos.tel.hr!news From: "Doriano Orbanic" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment supplier in Hannover wanted Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:05:40 +0100 Organization: Dvigrad Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6doeb7$bhf@argos.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ar1-p51-ri.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11315 I am interested about supplier of beekeeping equipment in/near Hannover (Germany). There is a CeBIT fair from 19-25. March 98. and I want to visit also a shop with equipments for my hobby. Does anyone have address about subject of this message ? Please answer here or on my E-mail. Thank you in advance. Best regards from Croatia, Doriano ______________________ doriano.orbanic@dvigrad.hr ______________________ Article 11316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almonds are in bloom - Pollination, Century 21 Style Date: 6 Mar 1998 12:11:23 GMT Lines: 227 Message-ID: <19980306121101.HAA29321@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11316 Reposted from gardening groups: Almonds are in bloom. About one third of all kept US honeybees have been trucked to California for the largest planned pollination event in the world. Nearly a million hives have been hauled into almond orchards to get those bees working early. Each year more almonds are planted and soon the demand will surpass a million hives. The past few years have seen the loss of almost all feral (gone wild) honeybees, and kept hives have been cut by about half to around 3 million hives in the US. At the same time wild pollinators, such as bumblebees, orchard mason bees and leafcutter bees have been declining due to pesticide misuse, loss of habitat (suburban development, clearcut logging, changing farm practices) and general environmental degradation. But fruit and vegetable crop yields have remained high, and even increased in some cases, because more and more beekeepers have become migratory, doing much more with less. Last fall, hundreds of tractor trailers of bees were moved to California from Washington, Oregon, Montana, the Dakotas, Minnesota and other northern states. Their primary reason was to be ready for almonds, though they were moved in the fall to also take advantage of the milder winter in California. Last month bees started arriving from Texas, Louisiana and other Gulf Coast states, even as far as Florida. Much of the unloading is done by night, with forklifts to handle the hives in pallets of four. This year has been "mudville" due to the heavy rains of El Nino. In some cases, it has been impossible to get the bees directly into the orchards and they have had to settle for higher sites along the margins. In other places big tractors and even bulldozers are used to pull the trucks through the mud. These strange midnight "cowboys" can be found in the coffee shops at daybreak in the almond country, coated with mud and dead tired. Beekeeping is not an easy life, and many beekeepers are known as "rugged individualists" or as "independent SOB's" depending on your perspective. But this almond crop, and other major US crops, totalling about ten billion dollars worth of produce, depend on these hard working guys. As soon as the trucks are unloaded, the bees are given a gallon or two of high fructose corn syrup to stimulate the queen to lay more eggs. Bees that have a lot of babies to feed are better pollinators, because the brood requires protein-rich pollen. This means more workers will be going to deliberately gather pollen, rather than nectar. A nectar gathering bee will accomplish some pollination, but a pollen gathering bee will be about ten times more effective as a pollinator. Theft is a major problem, especially when there is a shortage, and most of the beekeepers stay as close as possible to their bees. Whole truckloads of bees have been known to disappear in one night. Beekeepers have been known to keep the bees in the most junky possible equipment so as to make them unattractive to thieves. Humans and other creatures also can steal the syrup pails, as soon as the beekeeper's back is turned. After almonds, many will be moving northward to the Yakima valley of Washington, and other apple growing sites. In recent years, some of the Florida truckloads of bees moved clear across the country again, to upstate NY for apples, then to Maine for blueberries, then to Michigan for pickle cucumbers, before returning to Florida for the winter. Commercial beekeeping today is not about honey, so much as for pollination. Growers have to pay the beekeepers to get bees; they would not come unless they were paid, since most pollination crops yield little honey. Alfalfa, one of the few honey producing pollination crops, is stocked so heavily to maximize pollination, that there are too many hives to produce significant honey. This is another reason why growers must pay for the beekeeper service. Pollination contracts account for the largest share of commercial beekeepers income today. Bees are moved to crops that are honey sources (like clover) to supplement the pollination business. The business is not without hazards. Last year California authorities destroyed a tractor-trailer load of bees from the southeast, because fire ants were found in some dirt in the bottom of the pallets. If a truck wrecks or breaks down in a populated area, panicky authorities may destroy the load. They don't think about the fact that the $40,000 worth of bees may be going to pollinate a million dollars worth of fruit or nuts. This kind of loss can sink a beekeeper, and there are only about 1600 commercial beekeepers left in the US. Insurance companies will provide cargo insurance for the beehives, but not for the bees, as it is just too risky. On a hot day, bees can die simply because the truck is caught in a traffic jam and cannot keep air moving to the bees. A chain reaction is started. The bees become overheated and become agitated, which creates more heat, which makes them still more agitated. In some cases the honeycomb literally melts down, killing brood and usually the hive as well. A lot of bees used to be trucked in refrigerated trucks, which works better than open netted loads, as long as the reefer is able to keep up with the heat production capacity of the bees. But too many reefers failed and few are trucked this way today. A friend of mine experienced a reefer failure about ten years ago. When he opened the back doors, all the bees were clinging to the walls and ceiling. The queens from various hives were intermingled and all the brood in the hives was dead. To salvage them, he set out the hives, and put a scoop shovel of bees into each hive. Then he ordered 500 queens from a queen producer, which were hand delivered for speed. By that time, some of the bees had totally drifted out of some hives, but he tried again to equalize the bees, and added a queen to each. He was finally able to salvage about half the hives, but they were too weak to do any pollination or honey production for that season. The trucker's cargo insurance refused to pay anything; they had a clause in the fine print. Gardeners who fervently hope for a commercial beekeeper to be nearby, will not likely see honeybees in the spring. Most commercial bees will be in orchards for paid pollination. But later in the season, the bees may be spread around in "bee yards" of 40 or 50 hives, to make some honey. If one of these is nearby, you'll be guaranteed good pollination for your later garden, ie. cukes, melons, squash and pumpkins. For apples and other home fruit, you might be able to strike a deal with a beekeeper to provide him or her a site for a bee yard, in exchange for a promise to leave one or two hives there during the spring fruit bloom. Most of the bees, of course will come in later. And, of course, this only works for folks who have a little acreage. To avoid community problems (kids especially), bee yards should be somewhat isolated and hidden. More and more gardeners are finding that they cannot rely on other beekeepers, so they are getting a hive or two of their own. Call your local extension office to see if they or a local bee association are offering training courses for new beekeepers. If they are not, jack them up, because they should be. Other gardeners are putting up mason bee homes, which are simple drilled wooden blocks, which are used by these solitary bee females for nesting sites. Stingless mason bees are excellent fruit pollinators, but not for garden veggies, because they go dormant after the spring. Bumblebee culture is also a booming business, but so far is so expensive that it is mostly used for greenhouse production of tomatoes, peppers, strawberries, etc. Costs run around $200-300 for a colony of 50-100 bees. A visit by a bumblebee on your cuke blossom is worth about three visits by a honeybee, because the bumbler is so much more brawny and fuzzy. Bumblebees are poor for fruit, because their populations are very small early in the season. They are great pollinators for vegetables or very late blooming fruit, when their colonies are established. One third of our food supply must have bees. Many gardeners don't realize that pollination is not an "on or off" thing. One bee going to a flower is not usually sufficient to make a quality fruit. Many flowers require 15 or 20 visits to make perfect fruit. Each time the bees come, they rub against the sticky pistil and smear on more pollen grains. A watermelon blossom requires about 1000 grains of pollen, evenly spread across the three lobes of the pistil. When you look at a sliced melon, regard the seeds. Each white, unpollinated seed represents potential that is not realized. If there are many white seeds, the fruit will never attain full size and sweetness. How many times have you been disappointed when you tasted a poorly pollinated melon? Knotty or curled cukes, flat-tasting cantaloupes, small lopsided apples and many other fruits and veggies tell the tale of growers who assumed that wild pollinators would be sufficient, and they weren't. Nowadays pollination must be managed, just the same as fertility, pest control and other aspect of growing fruits and vegetables. FOR MORE INFO: The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Pollination for the Home Gardener, by Howard Veatch: Booklet Published by Dadant and Sons, Inc. Hamilton, IL 6234. Most of this is available by permission on the Pollination web page above. May be out of print. Pacific Nut Grower: A useful magazine about nuts, that has articles and advertisements on pollination, particularly in the spring issues. $25/yr PO Box 626, Clovis, CA 93613-0626 Forgotton Pollinators Campaign, a group focusing on the growing environmental problem of the loss of our domestic and wild pollinators, and the risk to our food supply, of pursuing policies that damage or destroy them. http://www.desert.net/museum/fp/fp1.html Their theme book The Forgotton Pollinators, written by Stephen L. Buchmann and Gary Paul Nabhan and published by Island Press is available at their web site. Following the Bloom, a fascinating book about migratory beekeeping, by Douglas Whynott, a reporter who travels with the beekeepers. Stackpole Books, PO Box 1831, Harrisburg, PA. May be out of print, but available through Wicwas Press, $20 plus 2.50 shipping (US), e-mail: ljconnor@aol.com Almond Pollination Handbook, by Joe Traynor: One of the most practical pollination guides ever written, the information is applicable to many other crops, as well. $7.50 pp, Kovak Books, PO Box 1422, Bakersfield, CA 93302 BeeCulture The best periodical for beginner beekeepers. bculture@aol.com Dr. Phil Torchio, one of the most knowledgeable solitary bee specialists in the world, has retired from bee research, and is now raising Orchard Mason bees for sale. Info at: http://member.aol.com/queenb95/web/mason.html CRITICAL TERMS: "Pollinator" - a bee or other agent that transfers pollen from one flower to another, thus accomplishing cross pollination of the seeds, which stimulates development of high quality fruit flesh. "Pollenizer" - a plant variety that provides compatible pollen at the same time as the plant to be pollinated (ie. a "daddy" plant). Plants do not "pollinate" other plants; bees do that. And no plant variety is a "pollinator," again, that is the bee's job. Warning: If you talk to an "authority who talks about "pollinator" plants, or plants "pollinating" other plants, you'd be wise to check another authority whose thinking isn't so muddy. Plants pollenize other plants, bees pollinate them. I would not buy from a nurseryman who does not know the difference. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!not-for-mail From: "DARRELL" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee box & hony super lifter Date: 7 Mar 1998 00:00:13 GMT Organization: Telstra Internet Browse Server Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd495b$f1bd2b80$516c13cb@master> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.19.108.81 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11317 a company in Australia now builds only bee hive lifters .They are now selling to Canada and USA this loader realy works .Ccontact them on beelift@om.com.au they will supply prices and info also video. Article 11318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news3.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: beerich@bellsouth.net (Barry Richards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping journals Reply-To: beerich@bellsouth.net Message-ID: <3500b8a6.7146860@news.bna.bellsouth.net> References: <34F968D4.9410AF6@ucsd.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 23 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 03:06:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32-96-74-175.bna.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 03:06:37 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11318 On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:55:31 +0000, Bruce Ritchings wrote: >Hello Bees, > A friend of mine who's a monk asked me to try to find the name and address of >any journals in the USA pertaining to beekeeping. Well, I've found a few >names, but no addresses or phone numbers which would allow him to subscribe. I >was thinking the "American Bee Journal" might be most appropriate, but I can't >find their address/phone/fax, etc. Can anyone please help? Perhaps there are >other equally appropriate journals? Unfortunately, my friend doesn't have >access to the internet (monks aren't supposed to be spending their time >wandering in cyberspace, I guess) so he needs a printed journal. Thanks in >advance, Bruce Ritchings, Howard Hughes Medical Institute, UC San Diego, britchings@ucsd.edu See : http://personal.bellsouth.net/~beerich/join.htm Article 11319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candy? Date: 6 Mar 1998 13:42:23 GMT Lines: 93 Message-ID: <19980306134201.IAA06214@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11319 In article , "Cheryl A. Mitchell" writes: >I am doing a project for school on keeping bees. I know nothing about them >and I am trying to learn about it for my project. I was reading some of >the articles that this group posted, and I was wondering why you are >feeding bees, and why you are feeding them candy? Don't they gather there >own food to make honey? Any info on the subject that you could e-mail to >me would be great. Thanks for your help. Bees are fed for two reasons: One is to make sure they don't starve during a time when nectar flows are not enough to feed them. During one very hot, dry summer I fed my bees in August, because they were near starvation. This is one advantage the bees have when they have a keeper. The Scripture tells us the godly man is kind to his beast. So farmers and pet owners do not have the right to beat or starve their animals. Beekeepers who work with, and marvel at these wonderful little beasties, get a kind of affection for them in time. It is a sad sight when bees starve. They will suck the fluids from their own brood in an attempt to survive. In the last stages they do not have enough energy to fly and they all cluster together, many of them with their heads in the cells, quivering. If you find a hive in this condition you can sprinkle them with some syrup or powdered sugar, and the ones still alive will revive in just a moment or two. They must have a continuous supply of sugar to energize their bodies. Sugar (the main thing in honey) is stored sunshine. The plants capture the energy of the sun in the summer in spring and create sugar. This is stored or used for food. In fact this is the basic food for almost all life on earth. The plants share some of this sugar with the bees, in exchange for pollination. They use this sugar (nectar) to create honey, which fuels their mighty wing muscles, and the heating of their hives in winter. This marvelous sugar cycle, with incredibly complex chemistry, is to me, a strong arguement for the existance of a Creator. This could not have happened by chance. Many thousands of parts of this cycle had to be created all at once, for it to function. The second reason bees are fed is for stimulation. Right now in South Carolina it seems to be spring, yet there is little available for the bees yet. The main flowers that feed them will not be available until near the end of March. Each beehive in good condition right now is like a pregnant cow. In April I will deliver a "calf" (a starter beehive, or nuc), and if I feed them heavily right now, I may get twins or triplets. Sometimes after a long hot summer, the queens shut down and the bees become quite dormant. I take my bees to cucumber fields in the fall, where I have contracted with the growers to pollinate their crops. But if the queens are shut down, the bees are lazy; they don't need pollen. So I give them a little syrup, and the queens start laying eggs. When these eggs hatch, the baby bees must have protein (which is in pollen), and the bees are compelled to get out to gather pollen. The candy you mention could be candy boards, which are sometimes used in areas with cold winters. The beekeeper makes up these boards and places them so they are on top of the cluster of bees. On cold nights the moisture that the bees give off condenses on this candy and dissolves some of it. Then the bees lick off this syrup to help feed the cluster. Candy boards are one good way to make sure the bees have a continuous feed, even though the beehives may be buried in snow, and inacessible to the beekeeper. Another use of candy is to play a little trick on the bees to get them to accept a new queen. When we make up a new hive and want to give them a queen, we have to understand how bees think. The older bees remember their previous queen (their mama, likely) and they will attack any other queen. The young bees are not so smart and they will care for and feed any queen. The main way they identify the queen is by odor. So we put the queen in a cage. The old bees cannot hurt her, and the young bees will feed her through the screen. On one end of the cage is a hole, which is plugged with candy. For two or three days the bees eat the candy, gradually opening up the hole. When it is open, the queen moves out of the cage. By then she has eaten their food, and they have spread her odor all around the hive. The old bees have gotten used to her and will no longer attack. She starts laying eggs, and becomes their queen. The candy is specially made for the bees. It contains no chocolate, which would make the bees sick. Good luck with your school project. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.news.azstarnet.com!reader1.news.azstarnet.com!edw1.azstarnet.com!edw1 From: edw1@azstarnet.com (John Edwards) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized???? Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:49:44 LOCAL Organization: Starnet Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <34F4AD28.4DEF@swbell.net> <01bd463c$aff82820$360cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 169.197.33.158 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11320 In article <01bd463c$aff82820$360cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> "Rev Jim" writes: >From: "Rev Jim" >Subject: Re: Africanized???? >Date: 3 Mar 1998 00:29:03 GMT >I am one whom bees do not like also. Without aftershave or hair tonic once >in a while they will come after me, usually in the hair, upper face. Never >have figured it out but I raise only 3-banded Italian with a brief >unsuccessful attempt at Midnites. So I take the chance of getting stung. As do we all, Rev - - John Edwards, Tucson Article 11321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: mdiver1@voy.net (vger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping organizations in southeastern TN ??? Date: 7 Mar 1998 04:48:29 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6dqjit$jvn$1@usenet47.supernews.com> References: <34f9cade.2217633@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 20471@209.42.130.136 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11321 In article <34f9cade.2217633@news.mindspring.com>, ktjackson@mindspring.com says... > >Does anyone know of a beekeeping organization in southeast TN? As in >the Chattanooga area. I would like to learn how to beekeep and would >like to find a place where I could learn. > >Thanks > >Todd The Beekeepers of Tennessee will hold their Annual Convrntion on Saturday, March 28, 1998, at The Tennessee Wesleyan College Tennessee Auditorium in Athens, TN. Dr. Marion Ellis, Nebraska's Extension Specialist in Apiculture,(and an Athens native) will speak on "Essential Oils and Bee Mites" and "Beekeeping on the Plains". Registration fees will be $15.00 per person or $20.00 per family. A "scrumptious" buffet lunch will be available for $5.00 per person but must be reserved in advance. For more information and registration forms, contact Glen Thomas, 196 Long Road, Kingston, TN 37763, e-mail glenmar@mindspring.com Also the Cherokee Beekeepers Short Course in Beekeeping will be March 14, 1998, at 5:00pm at the Allen Memorial United Methodist Church, Athens, TN Article 11322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted UK /Kent beekeepers to join our growing network Message-ID: <889228914@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 00:01:54 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11322 Beenet the computer network for beekeepers seeks out new members to join our growing network of Kent UK beekeepers. See our web site for more information. Regards Steve STEVEN TURNER G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee. http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~beeman/ Email: beeman@dircon.co.uk ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 11323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!out2.nntp.cais.net!news2.cais.com!not-for-mail From: John Strecker Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Painting Bottom Boards Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:52:50 -0500 Organization: Enviro-Sciences, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> Reply-To: jstreck@wizard.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-s34.wizard.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11323 I am just finishing up building my first two hives, Do I paint all the sides of the wooden bottom boards or just the outsides? -- John Strecker Enviro-Sciences, Inc Voice: (703)255-0840 Fax: (703)255-0860 Article 11324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: silversail@aol.com (Silversail) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Africanized???? Date: 7 Mar 1998 09:43:06 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19980307094301.EAA18759@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11324 >>I am one whom bees do not like also. Without aftershave or hair tonic once >>in a while they will come after me, usually in the hair, upper face. Never >>have figured it out Bees mainly aim for the head for two reasons... First the head is a heat genearator and a hot spot for the bees. Bees are also attracted to dark colors... so if you're not blond wear a veil;) Just a little insight Silver Article 11325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Bottom Boards Date: 7 Mar 1998 14:41:48 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19980307144101.JAA08584@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11325 >Do I paint all the >sides of the wooden bottom boards or just the outsides? The bees dont care one way or the other. The insides of the boxes are left unpainted as the bees take care of them and they provide a bit of a moisture buffer. Article 11326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drug and medicines Date: 7 Mar 1998 14:45:26 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19980307144501.JAA04777@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11326 Looking through the catalogs I have noticed that Apistan and Fumidil are all priced within a dollar or so. Lacking the resources to buy Apistan in more than 100 pack or fumidil beyond the 9.5 gram size. Who has the best prices? 25 hives- really it's just a hobby Article 11327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Bottom Boards Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 09:05:29 +0100 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3500FFC6.26EF@Birkey.com> References: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> <19980307093801.EAA14266@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 23648@206.68.164.65 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11327 Silversail wrote: > > >I am just finishing up building my first two hives, Do I paint all the > >sides of the wooden bottom boards or just the outsides? > > I've been using reversible tops and bottoms for about three years now. Picked > it up from someone whose been doing it for 25 years. There are no adverse side > effects from painting it. I make it a point to completely panit my bottoms. The > bottom board is the most abused and exposed part of the hive you should protect > it. The only thing you should not paint is the inside of the boxes as this will > cause a build up of moisture in the hive. Well I will have to disagree on this one. You can leave the inside of the hive unpainted and still have a build up of moisture in the hive. I can't point to any study that proves this but I can use common sense and my 20+ years in the residential construction business to know this. We wrap the inside of our homes today with plastic as a vapor barrier and don't have moisture on the walls. The key is to provide a way for air to move through the hive when it's needed that will allow the moisture to escape. Even with paint on the inside of the hive, you are not keeping 100 percent of the moisture from moving through the wood. I've had the inside of my hives painted now for several years without any problems. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 11328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary,sci.med.nutrition,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News headlines Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:55:12 +0000 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.med.veterinary:15833 sci.med.nutrition:87089 sci.agriculture:24225 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11328 sci.agriculture.poultry:4702 sci.agriculture.fruit:1526 The updated headlines from Animal Pharm World Animal Health and Nutrition News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Animal Pharm is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/animal Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 11329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: silversail@aol.com (Silversail) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Bottom Boards Date: 7 Mar 1998 09:38:15 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <19980307093801.EAA14266@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11329 >I am just finishing up building my first two hives, Do I paint all the >sides of the wooden bottom boards or just the outsides? I've been using reversible tops and bottoms for about three years now. Picked it up from someone whose been doing it for 25 years. There are no adverse side effects from painting it. I make it a point to completely panit my bottoms. The bottom board is the most abused and exposed part of the hive you should protect it. The only thing you should not paint is the inside of the boxes as this will cause a build up of moisture in the hive. Silver Article 11330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!152.158.16.55!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "jfog" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen rearing. Looking for program that can make pedigrees... Date: 7 Mar 1998 22:34:19 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd4a19$0288cec0$b984efc2@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp357.arh.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11330 Hello. A beekeeper and queen rearing expert, who is a friend of mine, is looking for a good program that can keep track of pedigrees of queens, for queen rearing research. We have an idea that genealogy programs designed for human beings might be used, and are trying T.M.Simpson's program "A-Gene". But does anyone know if a specifically bee-oriented program exists?? Article 11331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:56:44 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <3501dce0.9455217@news.jps.net> References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> <199803031647.IAA00594@ix.netcom.com> <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu> <6dim2q$r2k$1@arlington.pe.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.53 Lines: 31 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.225.53 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11331 On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 04:43:31 GMT, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: >In article < >I'm with you Brian. Last month I was hiking in one of the Palm Springs Indian >Canyons and there is a honeybee hive in a rock crevice that the guide showed >us. Apparently that hive has lived there continuously for a quite a long time. >A person should be able to check out a feral hive like that with one of those >fiber optic arthroscopy tubes. Those tubes come equipped with lights and >little snippers and magnifying glasses so that maybe you could confirm your >theories with one of those medical instruments like that if you could figure >out where the doctors get those items. These "rock" hive in that area of California area are of Africander or Egyptian decent and could punish you severely if disturbed. They are protected by California Code and all should avoid disturbing them as their real value is contained in their genetic codes that have allowed them to survive when man's best attempts at keeping bees more times then no is less then successful . ttul the OLd Drone Check out this web address: http://209.76.50.54 (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 11332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: gmaddux@mail.ptway.com-nospam (Greg Maddux) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 00:43:36 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 14626@199.176.148.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11332 Hello, I am Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination. Can anyone give me some information and recommend a book that covers the process in detail? Thank you. Article 11333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa Detection in Field Bees Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 04:05:09 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 70 Message-ID: <6dt5ap$4mo$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <34FC9350.448150A7@ne.mediaone.net> <199803031647.IAA00594@ix.netcom.com> <34FCCF5E.31F549CA@mines.edu> <6dim2q$r2k$1@arlington.pe.net> <3501dce0.9455217@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp42.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11333 >These "rock" hive in that area of California area are of Africander >or Egyptian decent and could punish you severely if disturbed. They >are protected by California Code and all should avoid disturbing them >as their real value is contained in their genetic codes that have >allowed them to survive when man's best attempts at keeping bees more >times then no is less then successful . > Yes, I love California, don't you, Old Drone? California codifies everything, like Napoleon did. Louisiana also codifies everything. I couldn't find a California code protecting the rock hives, but here are some other California Food and Agriculture Code references which make for interesting reading: FAC §29641. Any container or subcontainer of extracted honey which is produced entirely within this state may be conspicuously marked with the name "California." FAC §29642. A container or subcontainer of comb or extracted honey shall not be marked or labeled with the name "California" unless the honey in the container or subcontainer was produced entirely within this state. FAC §29451. Honey may not be labeled honey or words of similar import or represented to be honey unless manufactured by bees. No product may be labeled imitation honey or words of similar import or represented to be imitation honey. FAC §29413. "Honey" means the nectar of floral exudations of plants gathered and stored in the comb by honeybees. It is a levorotatory, contains not more than 20 percent of water, not more than 25 one hundredths of 1 percent of ash, not more than 8 percent of sucrose, its specific gravity is not less than 1.412, its weight not less than 11 pounds, 12 ounces per standard gallon of 231 cubic inches at 68 degrees Fahrenheit. FAC §29414. "Honeybees" means honey-producing insects of the genus Apis mellifica. FAC §29615. All extracted honey regardless of grade term as marked, shall be free from serious damage and at least as free from excessive foreign material as honey that has been strained through standard bolting cloth of 23 meshes per inch. Serious damage means any injury or defect that seriously affects the appearance or edibility of the honey such as any of the following: (a) Overheating, which destroys both natural color and flavor. (b) Fermentation, which causes either foam or sourness, or both. (c) Objectionable flavor from any substance or thing other than floral source. FAC §29618. Any honey which is a blend of two or more floral types of honey shall not be labeled as honey from any one particular floral source alone unless one floral type is predominant. If one floral type is predominant, such honey may be labeled as to the predominant floral type, as determined by flavor. FAC §29006. "Colony" means one hive and its contents, including bees, comb, and appliances. FAC §29007. "Comb" includes all materials which are normally deposited into hives by bees. It does not include extracted honey or royal jelly, trapped pollen, and processed beeswax. FAC §29011. "Hive" means any receptacle or container, or part of any receptacle or container, which is made or prepared for the use of bees, or which is inhabited by bees. Article 11334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Bottom Boards Date: 8 Mar 1998 06:03:25 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6dtcbd$qpr@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.45 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11334 John, This seems like a simple question, but this was discussed some time ago (you might dig in archives) and some people think that paint on the inside causes swarming. Others thought it didn't matter. I would like to ask the bees, but I'm having a communication problem. I painted my bottom boards, they are made out of plywood which will come apart here if unpainted I think in the future, I'm going to make them of Western Red Cedar and not paint them. Pete John Strecker wrote in article <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net>... > I am just finishing up building my first two hives, Do I paint all the > sides of the wooden bottom boards or just the outsides? > -- > John Strecker > Enviro-Sciences, Inc > Voice: (703)255-0840 > Fax: (703)255-0860 > Article 11335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!jussieu.fr!cea.fr!not-for-mail From: "Pascal Lallement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Forum en langue Francaise fr.rec.apiculture Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:14:09 +0100 Organization: Gard France Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6dtncv$366$1@news.cea.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: boss.valrho.cea.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11335 La creation de fr.rec.apiculture est effective. Les apiculteurs de langue francaise ont maintenant leur forum de discutions. Merci pascal.lallement@i.am Article 11336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:04:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6du28u$i0p$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port8.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11336 gmaddux@mail.ptway.com-nospam (Greg Maddux) wrote: >Hello, I am Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination. >Can anyone give me some information and recommend a book that covers >the process in detail? Thank you. Take Sue Cobey's course at Ohio State - it makes a great summer vacation! Article 11337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: gmaddux@mail.ptway.com-nospam (Greg Maddux) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:29:33 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35029d13.854093@news.ptway.com> References: <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com> <6du28u$i0p$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3322@199.176.148.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11337 On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:04:09 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: >gmaddux@mail.ptway.com-nospam (Greg Maddux) wrote: > >>Hello, I am Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination. >>Can anyone give me some information and recommend a book that covers >>the process in detail? Thank you. >Take Sue Cobey's course at Ohio State - it makes a great summer vacation! > Would love to, but it is not an option with my work and location. Any other suggestions. Article 11338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redshrike@aol.com (Red shrike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 5 gallon buckets??? Date: 8 Mar 1998 17:37:08 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19980308173701.MAA12020@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11338 Just wondering if anyone knows if the 5 gallon spakle (drywall plaster) buckets could be used as a primary fermeter for Mead with no adverse affects. They are marked HDPE on the bottom but are they suitible for brewing or food grade palstic? Also, could I use these same buckets for Honey processing. Of course I'd clean and steralize them first with bleech. Anyone knows please reply. Thank you for your responses. Redshrike@aol.com Article 11339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bottm Boards Date: 8 Mar 1998 19:31:40 GMT Lines: 2 Message-ID: <19980308193100.OAA00984@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980308173701.MAA12020@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11339 Any disadvantage to having bottom boards stop flush with the hive body? Sure would make mouse guards an easier operation. Article 11340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new bee hives Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:31:25 -0500 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-ID: <35030E2D.3092@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.68.204 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11340 when is the best time to add first super? Article 11341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news1.ispnews.com!1-73.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:53:53 -0400 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1-73.skylands.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11341 Hello! I've posted 2 historic mead recipes to: http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to many other mead sites at: http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! C. Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Article 11342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.173.251.8!news.iamerica.net!not-for-mail From: Tommy Beats Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queens & fructose Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:57:25 -0800 Organization: LDS iAmerica, ISP Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35035A95.1A57@junct.com> Reply-To: tbeats@junct.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bc-car12.junct.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11342 How do you clip a queens wings? I mean exactly how much of the wing should be clipped off? Also when diluting fructose for feeding. What is the dilution of parts of fructose to water. Thanks, tbeats Article 11343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 20:19:26 -0500 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3503439E.1176@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.68.215 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11343 Is there any bee product suppliers near roanoke,va? Article 11344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: supering/addition Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:12:44 -0500 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.171 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.171 Message-ID: <35034fe9.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.171 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11344 Greetings! I have added a new article by George Imire..entitled "Supering". I will add more articles in a very short while..in the meantime, enjoy George's article and others to follow. You just might want to "register" for my web site.this will allow you to be notified of further updates. George is recovering from surgery and I hope he will be at the EAS'98 meeting..stop by and say hello.. Herb(Midnitebee) -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 11345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.12!news2.epix.net!nntp.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WHere to get bees? Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:26:23 -0800 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <34FDF12F.7AA3@epix.net> References: <34FAEE16.5A77D73B@polisci.tamu.edu> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd-242ppp33.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11345 eaguilr wrote: > > Folks, > I waited way way way too long to order a set of "startup bees". Any > ideas who I could contact to get somet his late in the season? > edwin Locate your local beekeepers and ask if they sell nukes. If you can get them reasonably early, they will do better than packages. Find these beekeepers by looking at honey for sale in local fruit stands, health food stores, gift shops, etc. Ask at your area agricultural extension office. Ask your local police and fire department (they have names for swarm control). Good luck. Burns Article 11346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35030E2D.3092@usit.net> Subject: Re: new bee hives Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:20:59 -0500 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.171 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.171 Message-ID: <35037c04.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.171 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11346 greetings! go to my web site:your questions will be answered there..supering ,medication,splitting,etc.,etc. Midnitebee(Herb) -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee gfdavis@usit.net wrote in message <35030E2D.3092@usit.net>... >when is the best time to add first super? Article 11347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA issues Report on 1998 Crop Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 05:26:40 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35037cc7.15337076@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.41 Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.225.41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11347 Feb 23, 1989 USDA issues 1998 Report on Bees & Honey, find it fast and more at the OLd Drone hang out: http://209.76.50.54 (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 11348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web sites/links Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:26:20 -0500 Lines: 162 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.171 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.171 Message-ID: <35037d44.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.171 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11348 Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Greetings! For those of you who are new on this list, I would like to draw attention to my web site; Below is a listing of links that can and will answer ALL of your questions. www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Here is my collection of links to informative sites containing information about bees. At the bottom . EAS 1998 Hive Products for Sale Honey for Sale BeesWax Sellers Honey Sellers Beekeeping Schools Beekeeping Clubs and Associations United States Beekeeping Clubs and Associations Worldwide General Interest Bee Links: Queen Introduction Plants,Flowers,& Trees for the Honeybee Honeybee Races/Strains Package Bee Suppliers A Year in the Apiary Beekeeping Suppliers Bee Increase Methods Swarming & its Control Catching Swarms Spring Management of Wintered Hives Bee Diseases & Prevention Apistan & Pollen Substitutes/Supplements Placement of Bee Colonies & Bee Etiquette for Pollination Honey Bees & Pesticides Trends in Maine Beekeeping Use of Menthol in Bee Colonies A Beekeepers Story Terramycin Use in Bee Colonies George Imirie's Lousy Queen George Imirie's Supering Method George Imirie's "Anthropomorhic" George Imirie's "Having Your Cake/Think-Learn-Enjoy" Cake & Eating it Too! Part II George Imirie's "Bee Stings" Allen Dick's Home Pages Bee Hive,SolarWax Melter & Honey Heater Construction Plans USA & Canadian Bee Inspectors Hive Products American Apitherapy Society Bee Venom Therapy Journal Chinese Honey Remedies How to Produce Cut Comb Honey Faostat Database Collections Beekeepers Page(Canada) Georgia Beekeeping Page U. of Waikato - Biological Sciences University of Washington Beekeeping - Slovakia Worcester Bkprs.(Massachusetts) Oregon State Beekeepers Association Community of Buckfast Beekeepers BeeNet Deutschland *the Fatherland :)* Guildford Bkprs.(U.K.) Beekeeping in New Zealand APISERVICES Penn State Apiculture Beeswax:History & Use Solar Beeswax Rendering & Hints Sharon North Candlemaking Page Entomological Society Of America Australian Beekeeping Information Country Jacks Honeybee Farm Bees and Honey Mike Reddy's skepFAQ Bee Page Zaire Beelist Subscription TopBar Hive Info Essential Oils(alt.varroa treatment)West Virginia University Book of Insect Records THE BEE-RIDDLED CARCASS Maine's County Extension Offices State of Maine Home Page Greg's Good GPages (a favorite non-bee related site) Article 11349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EAS 1998 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:43:01 -0500 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.171 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.171 Message-ID: <35039d4e.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.171 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11349 Greetings! ok..here it is.."Why Mark Queens" and EAS 1998 meeting schedule.. There is a 800 number for Seven Springs,Pa. off to bed..enjoy the reading! Herb(Midnitebee) BTW-I have been noticing local bee groups are coping George's Pink pages without DUE credit..please do so in the future..since he is so willing to share his vast knowledge and "secrets"...I am sure he would appreciate the thought. Herb(Midnitebee) Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 11350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:51:26 +0100 Organization: EDBi Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6e0l9a$iif2$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> References: <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp90.rd.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11350 Greg Maddux skrev i meddelelsen >Hello, I am Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination. >Can anyone give me some information and recommend a book that covers the process in detail? Thank you. try to contact swienty@swienty.com He is manufacturing insemination equipment's and have a nice product homepage at http://www.swienty.dk .He is English so you have no problems with the language I think. His homepage is in German and English. Best regards Jorn Johanesson please Observe New updated and testet software available! EDBi = Beekeeping Software http://wn.com.au/apimo http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk Article 11351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet From: "Gern Blandston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Jigs for making (not assembling) frames Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:19:08 -0500 Organization: PSINet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6e0q3a$nrp$1@client3.news.psi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.234.112.2 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11351 Anyone have any plans for jigs used when making frames? I've got one that I use to assemble them. Thanks, -GB Article 11352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Jigs for making (not assembling) frames Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:20:28 +0100 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3503A648.5368@Birkey.com> References: <6e0q3a$nrp$1@client3.news.psi.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 436@206.68.164.158 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11352 Gern Blandston wrote: > > Anyone have any plans for jigs used when making frames? I've got one that I > use to assemble them. > > Thanks, > > -GB http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 11353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Jigs for making (not assembling) frames Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:18:50 +0100 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3503A5E6.7B43@Birkey.com> References: <6e0q3a$nrp$1@client3.news.psi.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 436@206.68.164.158 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: Gern Blandston Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11353 Gern Blandston wrote: > > Anyone have any plans for jigs used when making frames? I've got one that I > use to assemble them. > > Thanks, > > -GB http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com Article 11354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EAS 1998/updates Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:21:16 -0500 Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.225 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.225 Message-ID: <350440fc.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.225 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11354 Greetings! I apologize for any confusion for my web site location: www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee My web site has been redesigned to allow the viewer to read the latest updates from the "front" page of my web site...no need to find hidden files under the beelinks page. Herb(Midnitebee) -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 11355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.116!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!205.252.5.48!out2.nntp.cais.net!news2.cais.com!not-for-mail From: John Strecker Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 gallon buckets??? Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:49:06 -0500 Organization: Enviro-Sciences, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <350439A2.5EB4@wizard.net> References: <19980308173701.MAA12020@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: jstreck@wizard.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-s4.wizard.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11355 Red shrike wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone knows if the 5 gallon spakle (drywall plaster) buckets > could be used as a primary fermeter for Mead with no adverse affects. They are > marked HDPE on the bottom but are they suitible for brewing or food grade > palstic? Also, could I use these same buckets for Honey processing. Of course > I'd clean and steralize them first with bleech. Anyone knows please reply. > Thank you for your responses. > > Redshrike@aol.com > The problem with plastic as far as brewing goes is that it scratches easily and the scrapes are a haven for bacteria. I do not think spackle buckets are food grade. Also as a side note clean brewing equipment with TSP (Tri Sodium Phosphate)available from any hardware store and sterilize with Iodophor (Available from beverage or brew supply store). Chlorine has a high residual and tough on your hands and lungs. When you factor in cost effectiveness(your labor time and expenses and the bee labor, and the time for a good batch of mead to mature), I would recommend you spend $17 on a glass fermentation carboy. They are easier to clean, you can watch the fermentation, and good for 100's of batches of mead, cyser, or beer. I have also attached a good recipe link for meads and ect.: http://realbeer.com/brewery/cm3/index.html Good luck! -- John Strecker Hydrogeologist Enviro-Sciences, Inc Voice: (703)255-0840 Fax: (703)255-0860 Article 11356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Cristian" Subject: Any Beekeeper from Spain out there? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bd4b98$72c0ebc0$0100007f@cristian> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.80.111 Date: 9 Mar 98 20:24:17 GMT Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!139.92.80.111 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11356 Hello All. I'm in my third year of beekeeping "on my own" and I'm wondering if anybody else from Spain is surfing the net in search of bee advice... please drop me a note. Thanks, o sea Gracias Cristian Zea cristian1 at ibm dot net Article 11357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Cristian" Subject: Any Beekeepers from Spain out there? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bd4b98$3bf3fd80$0100007f@cristian> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.80.111 Date: 9 Mar 98 20:22:36 GMT Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!139.92.80.111 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11357 Hello All. I'm in my third year of beekeeping "on my own" and I'm wondering if anybody else from Spain is surfing the net in search of bee advice... please drop me a note. Thanks, o sea Gracias Cristian Zea cristian1 at ibm dot net Article 11358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet From: "Gern Blandston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Jigs for making (not assembling) frames Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:36:11 -0500 Organization: PSINet Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6e1n79$2qe$1@client3.news.psi.net> References: <6e0q3a$nrp$1@client3.news.psi.net> <3503A648.5368@Birkey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.234.112.2 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11358 Hi Barry: Great stuff on your site! Any tips for making the frame parts (I'm a beginner woodworker). Thanks, -GB >> Anyone have any plans for jigs used when making frames? I've got one that I >> use to assemble them. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -GB > >http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html Article 11359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.12!news2.epix.net!nntp.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 gallon buckets??? Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:27:01 -0800 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <350496E5.2835@epix.net> References: <19980308173701.MAA12020@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd209-74-41ppp49.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11359 Red shrike wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone knows if the 5 gallon spakle (drywall plaster) buckets > could be used as a primary fermeter for Mead with no adverse affects. They are > marked HDPE on the bottom but are they suitible for brewing or food grade > palstic? Also, could I use these same buckets for Honey processing. Of course > I'd clean and steralize them first with bleech. Anyone knows please reply. > Thank you for your responses. > > Redshrike@aol.com > Using any used plastic container for mead or honey processing is asking for trouble. If you sell your food product, or give it away, you are wide open for legal problems. Why risk it? However, if the products are for your own use and you know the original service of the container, go ahead. I do. Burns Article 11360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!news.iac.net!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!newsfeed.wli.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: MNichols Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: COrrection Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:05:56 -0600 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 1 Message-ID: <6e209o$nd8@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.99.158 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11360 . . . . the CROP will not be pollinated. Article 11361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.48.12!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stories Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 19:57:37 -0500 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 2 Message-ID: <35049001.3DB0@usit.net> Reply-To: gfdavis@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.68.211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11361 I enjoy reading all of the news on this site, keep it coming. GD Article 11362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: MNichols Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ABC news Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:55:28 -0600 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6e1vm4$jlc@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.66.99.158 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11362 Peter Jennings" ABC news broadcast tonight -- coverage on the effect of El Ni~o. Coverage shows a bee climbing along a flower stalk and scattering pollen. Also several hives along with the comment that bees don't fly in the rain, and that if the bees don't fly, the copy will not be pollinated. Mickey Nichols rmnichols@worldnet.att.net Article 11363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lest it be misunderstood Date: 10 Mar 1998 03:38:20 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 55 Message-ID: <6e2cjc$2e68$1@node17.frontiernet.net> References: <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com> <6e2akl$100g$1@node17.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-17.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11363 Jack Griffes (spamblocked) wrote in message <6e2akl$100g$1@node17.frontiernet.net>... And now for a >sermonette -- I am not posting her e-mail address here on the group so her >already overflowing mailbox doesn't get needlessly filled with friviolity >(or SPAM either). To be clear - this sort of forum (beekeeping newsgroup) >is fine and dandy for posing general questions - there are lots of >beekeepers here and someone is bound to know the answer to most any >question. In other words no ONE person is overburdened by answering >questions when there are many to answer them. On the other hand if one >person with name recognition gets bombarded with questions from many sectors >constantly they can end up spending an inordinate amount of time answering >them (or perhaps just skimming and deleting) - when perhaps WE ALL would be >better served if they were doing helpful research rather than answering >questions we can find out the answers to easily in another manner. Am I >suggesting we should not ask them questions? NO!!!! Just that we need to >be appropriately respectful of their time - bombard them with questions at >talks when they are there in person if you must. Then later on remember >that the electronic age has made it easy to ask questions of them BUT it has >not bestowed upon them more hours in the day. Imagine getting 25-150 >e-mails a day full of questions that for the most part ANY basic bee text >could have answered - it does happen to some of the popular researchers - >imagine going on a business trip or vacation KNOWING that when you get back >all that e-mail will be waiting. Enough said. Lest it be misunderstood my sermonette above was to spare some of my researcher friends considerable time wading through e-mail by encouraging open questioning and answering here on this newsgroup and in the e-mail discussion groups. Let it be further understood that I do not wish for any of you to feel the least bit bad for having directed questions directly to me - as you have noted in my replies this was most welcomed as a chance to chat/share with another beekeeper or beekeeper to be. I will grant you as well that most researchers I know love to share what they know but much like Moses they are truly overwhelmed by the many demands on their time and need to learn ways to continue to use their time wisely (as Moses father-in-law, Jethro counseled him). Signing off for now - may be back in a few months, Best wishes to you and yours and all your bees in the meantime, Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Let every person be the friend of God." -Brigham Young- DBY, 18 Article 11364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsxfer.visi.net!grouper.exis.net!bill From: macbill@exis.net (Bill Frank) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 04:06:31 GMT Organization: Exis Net Inc Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6e2e7l$chv$1@grouper.exis.net> References: <3503439E.1176@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: digital-2-110.exis.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11364 >Is there any bee product suppliers near roanoke,va? There used to be a Dadant outlet in Lynchburg. Bill Frank, Norfolk, Va Article 11365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination Date: 10 Mar 1998 02:01:26 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6e26tm$gp3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com> <6du28u$i0p$1@news1.Radix.Net> <35029d13.854093@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11365 In article <35029d13.854093@news.ptway.com>, Greg Maddux wrote: > >Would love to, but it is not an option with my work and location. Any >other suggestions. Hi. John Harbo published a very fine guide on I.I. which I have somewhere-- I know that doesn't help you. Why don't you e-mail him and see if he has any reprints? Dr. John Harbo USDA, ARS Baton Rouge, USA jharbo@asrr.arsusda.gov Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!node17.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination Date: 10 Mar 1998 03:04:53 GMT Organization: Frontier Internet Rochester N.Y. (716)-777-SURF Lines: 74 Message-ID: <6e2akl$100g$1@node17.frontiernet.net> References: <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-1-17.brk.mi.frontiernet.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11366 Greg Maddux wrote in message <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com>... >Hello, I am Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination. >Can anyone give me some information and recommend a book that covers >the process in detail? Thank you. Depending on your purpose you may be better off hiring any AI (II) work done on a custom basis. It requires some cash outlay for a dissecting microscope ($300-3,000) and a AI (II) instrument (around $900 or so) plus a CO2 tank, regulator, hoses, etc., etc., etc.. Additionally you gotta put in some serious time practicing to become proficient. OR you can hire an expert and get it done right the first time and avoid LOTS of frustration - it runs about $55-70/hour to get custom AI work done hereabouts. And IF you PROPERLY prepared things in advance even while using the laborious procedure of semen mixing you can net an average of 6 queens or so per hour - a few more if you are doing SDM (single drone mating) or using just straight unmixed semen. Proper prep includes having all the virgins in cages easily brought to the incubator in batches AND plenty of mature flying drones caged the afternoon before so you can just grab drone cages as needed (you go through drones like water). Garrett Dodds and Susan Cobey do custom AI (II) work - likely there are others that do as well. Now to answer your actual question. Laidlaw authored a book full of photos that explains the process in detail. If memory serves it is called "Instrumental Insemination." And if you are in the USA you can request it through the public library system as I did when I read it some years back. I also believe you can purchase it from Dr. Larry Connor, the owner of Wicwas Press. Hands on instruction works best for me to learn by however and it may for you as well. Assuming you are from the USA (or can get here) Susan Cobey, Ohio State University, teaches Instrumental Insemination. Her short course is generally in June or July. See my website and look in the bibliography section of the Honeybee Improvement Program page and you will find there a clickable link to send e-mail to her and/or Garrett. And now for a sermonette -- I am not posting her e-mail address here on the group so her already overflowing mailbox doesn't get needlessly filled with friviolity (or SPAM either). To be clear - this sort of forum (beekeeping newsgroup) is fine and dandy for posing general questions - there are lots of beekeepers here and someone is bound to know the answer to most any question. In other words no ONE person is overburdened by answering questions when there are many to answer them. On the other hand if one person with name recognition gets bombarded with questions from many sectors constantly they can end up spending an inordinate amount of time answering them (or perhaps just skimming and deleting) - when perhaps WE ALL would be better served if they were doing helpful research rather than answering questions we can find out the answers to easily in another manner. Am I suggesting we should not ask them questions? NO!!!! Just that we need to be appropriately respectful of their time - bombard them with questions at talks when they are there in person if you must. Then later on remember that the electronic age has made it easy to ask questions of them BUT it has not bestowed upon them more hours in the day. Imagine getting 25-150 e-mails a day full of questions that for the most part ANY basic bee text could have answered - it does happen to some of the popular researchers - imagine going on a business trip or vacation KNOWING that when you get back all that e-mail will be waiting. Enough said. Jack Griffes Onsted, MI USA e-mail: jack_griffes at hotmail.com Web site: http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ "Did you know-- * Every 13 seconds one of America's 70 million gun owners uses a firearm in defense against a criminal? J. Neil Schulman, "Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns" http://www.pulpless.com/stopower.html Article 11367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!scanner.worldgate.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: Tim Townsend Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Bottom Boards Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:24:01 -0800 Organization: TPLR Honey Farms Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3504DC81.273F@telusplanet.net> References: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> <19980307144101.JAA08584@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ttownsen@telusplanet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: edtntnt1-port-76.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11367 Barry; I have to agree with you, while I don't paint the inside of my boxes, I do dip them. Inside and out, (somewhat difficult to do one and not the other). I have been doing this for six years now, and the bees don't seem to have any problems with it at all. This is in central Alberta, and our colonies are wintered outside with no extra insulation, just a wind wrap. I have noticed that there is no rot from moisture entering the wood, and of course no peeling paint, since the moisture can't get underneath what isn't there. Tim Townsend ttownsen@telusplanet.net Article 11368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Bottom Boards Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:13:25 +0000 Organization: . Message-ID: References: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> <6dtcbd$qpr@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk [158.152.205.101] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11368 In article <6dtcbd$qpr@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, Pete A. Wolcott writes >I painted my bottom boards, >they are made out of plywood which will come apart here if unpainted >I think in the future, I'm going to make them of Western Red Cedar and >not paint them. >Pete I guess that climate has an influence in not only what you make your hives from but also how you protect them from the weather. Personally, I have hives made from Western Red Cedar, Ponderosa Pine and Deal. All are protected with Cuprinol Clear - inside and out. -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Bedfordshire. England Article 11369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: gmaddux@mail.ptway.com-nospam (Greg Maddux) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:38:35 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3505403b.902786@news.ptway.com> References: <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com> <6e2akl$100g$1@node17.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 894@199.176.148.71 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11369 On 10 Mar 1998 03:04:53 GMT, "Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" wrote: >Depending on your purpose you may be better off hiring any AI (II) work done >on a custom basis. It requires some cash outlay for a dissecting microscope >($300-3,000) and a AI (II) instrument (around $900 or so) plus a CO2 tank, >regulator, hoses, etc., etc., etc.. Additionally you gotta put in some >serious time practicing to become proficient. OR you can hire an expert and >get it done right the first time and avoid LOTS of frustration - it runs >about $55-70/hour to get custom AI work done hereabouts. Just to make it clear, I have no use for breeding queens or to actually practice AI. But I do have an interest in it, and am just looking for information on how it is done. I don't intend to spend more than the cost of a good book. I have done several searches on the web that left me without much information. Thats it, just interested in learning something new. Thanks for posting this information, it is much appreciated. BTW Jack, I noticed that you live in Onstead, MI. Were practically neighbors. I grew up in Erie, MI, Near Toledo. I still get back there to my parents a few times per year. I am curently living in Beulah, MI, Near Traverse City. Thanks Greg Article 11370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!news.sdsc.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cargo.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bottm Boards Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:07:42 -0500 Organization: lahdeefreakindaaah Lines: 27 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <19980308173701.MAA12020@ladder03.news.aol.com> <19980308193100.OAA00984@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cargo.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11370 In article <19980308193100.OAA00984@ladder03.news.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > Any disadvantage to having bottom boards stop flush with the hive body? > Sure would make mouse guards an easier operation. Years ago in England, R.O.B. Manley used floors which were flush like that, and preferred them. I think the reason he gave was that water did not collect on the front of the bottom boards or rails, and so there was less rotting of the wood that way. He noted that the bees can land and enter a flush entrance just as well as one that juts out, and don't need any porch to land on. I have cut down most of my bottom boards, so there is about 3/4" jutting out, to save space on the truck. Perhaps cutting them flush would be even better. If you are worried about having a landing platform, it is easy to set a thin piece of wood, formica, or plastic under the front edge of the bottom-board, jutting out a few inches. Manley also found the shorter, flush bottom-boards easy for moving hives. He would take a piece of screen (hardware cloth) the width of the entrance and maybe 3-4" high. The bottom edge was bent over, making an "L" shaped screen (seen from the side edge). The screen was set over the entrance, with the L edge at the bottom, and facing IN, and the screen secured with tacks. This way the bees could not get out under or around the screen, and there were no projections, allowing the hives to be set into their overturned telescoping covers for moving. Article 11371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fruit Orchard For Sale Date: 10 Mar 1998 17:16:13 GMT Organization: a Digital Internet AlphaServer Site Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bd4c47$faea73e0$85ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp03-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11371 For Sale: 190 acre farm with peach, apple, nectarine, strawberry, hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market, equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Located in Illinois 60 miles south of St. Louis. Call 618-826-3300. E-mail: colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 11372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-feed.ifi.uio.no!uninett.no!nntp.uib.no!pc17.im.uib.no!nimkp From: nimkp@imp.imp.uib.no (Knut Pedersen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interested in learning about Instrumental Insemination Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:32:06 GMT Organization: IM Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3501e947.3745834@news.ptway.com> <6e2akl$100g$1@node17.frontiernet.net> <3505403b.902786@news.ptway.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dronning.im.uib.no X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11372 I >Just to make it clear, I have no use for breeding queens or to >actually practice AI. But I do have an interest in it, and am just >looking for information on how it is done. I don't intend to spend >more than the cost of a good book. I have done several searches on >the web that left me without much information. Thats it, just >interested in learning something new. Thanks for posting this >information, it is much appreciated. take a look at: Praktische Anleitung zur instrumentellen Besamung von Bienenköniginnen von Dr. Peter Schley ISBN 3-9800763-0-x Knut Article 11373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa control ? Date: 11 Mar 1998 01:39:58 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19980311013900.UAA27130@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11373 Would like to know if anyone is using drone brood combs for controlling mite? I am very much against the use of any chemical miticide in this country and feel that it is really putting beekeeping in harms way for the future. Any thoughts? Thanks. Tom Article 11374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: darknette@aol.com (Darknette) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wanted: beeswax for purhcase or trade Date: 11 Mar 1998 02:10:17 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19980311021001.VAA28556@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11374 we make hand crafted soaps and are looking for a large among of beeswax to purchase or trade in part or full.USA please direct e-mail to: east_mountain@Juno.com Article 11375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spinn-Leitner queens? Date: 11 Mar 1998 01:41:10 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19980311014100.UAA27387@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11375 Would like to know if anyone in the southeast have used these queens and if they found them somewhat mite resistant and good producers? Article 11376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.232.147.120!cyclone00a-oak.pilot.net!cyclone01-oak.pilot.net!clorox.news.pilot.net!not-for-mail From: Rick Suk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 gallon buckets??? Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:37:21 -0800 Organization: The Clorox Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3505EAD1.4D3735F4@clorox.com> References: <19980308173701.MAA12020@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unknown-68-50.clorox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11376 Red shrike wrote: > ... Of course I'd clean and steralize them first with bleech. Anyone knows please > reply. > Thank you for your responses. > > Redshrike@aol.com Make sure you are using regular hypochlorite bleach (like Clorox liquid). Do not use the "Lemon" or "Floral Fresh". HDPE can absorb the fragrance oils in these products. Also, especially do not use dry bleaches. They are perborate based and will not kill the pathogens that may be present (sorry, I had a homebrew buddy that was using Clorox 2 before I straightened him out). Article 11377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spinn-Leitner queens? Date: 11 Mar 1998 05:56:04 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <19980311055600.AAA07497@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <19980311014100.UAA27387@ladder03.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11377 In article <19980311014100.UAA27387@ladder03.news.aol.com>, tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) writes: >Would like to know if anyone in the southeast have used these queens and if >they found them somewhat mite resistant and good producers? Spann Leitner is an old time SC beekeeper who did not treat his bees for mites. He was a very good beekeeper in the pre-mite era, and has a lot of wisdom to share -- but not about mites. He is now retired because all his bees are dead. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees Date: 11 Mar 1998 10:25:49 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bd4cd7$ebf31d20$8068afce@default> References: <3503439E.1176@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.175.104.128 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11378 Dadant is in Lynchburg. I also just heard Southern States is in the business. -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach Honey Company gfdavis@usit.net wrote in article <3503439E.1176@usit.net>... > Is there any bee product suppliers near roanoke,va? > Article 11379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uninett.no!newsfeed.sunet.se!news99.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!159.148.108.224.MISMATCH!news.latnet.lv!news From: "Janis Priede" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help Date: 11 Mar 1998 12:10:38 GMT Organization: LatNet news site Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd4ce8$dc4d0280$11ce949f@pek.rok.bkc.lv> NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.148.206.17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1154 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11379 Hello! I have problem. I find not information of Queen rearing in WWW. Where find information of Queen rearing. I interesed Jenter or Doolittle method for Queen rearing. Janis Article 11380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control ? Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:30:02 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <350675BA.54A0@juno.com> References: <19980311013900.UAA27130@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1824@205.216.79.36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Tomapis Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11380 drone brood comb varroa trapping is one non-chemical (partial) control method advocated by some, as is breaking the brood cycle by splitting hives and/or caging queens...you might consider using oils-of-essence or food grade mineral oil as "natural" (although stillunproven/experimental) ...most available information is still anecdotal, but you can check out the Lusby's (in Arizona) approach in Bee Culture on-line: http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan2.html this month's issue also has an overview of standard treatments, as well as the bees own natural defense mechanisms...good luck! Article 11381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: tjfischer@usa.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee mites Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:53:25 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6e6j01$o8s$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.116.246.168 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 11 17:53:25 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11381 has anyone been having problems with the mites this winter. It looks like my bees made it so far. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help Date: 11 Mar 1998 14:38:02 -0500 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6e6p6q$end@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: <01bd4ce8$dc4d0280$11ce949f@pek.rok.bkc.lv> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11382 In article <01bd4ce8$dc4d0280$11ce949f@pek.rok.bkc.lv>, Janis Priede wrote: >Hello! > >I have problem. I find not information of Queen rearing in WWW. >Where find information of Queen rearing. >I interesed Jenter or Doolittle method for Queen rearing. > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees click on FAQ files click on the Beekeeping Book FAQ There are a few good queen rearing books listed there. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 11383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.13!news3.epix.net!nntp.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee mites Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:53:13 -0800 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <350707C9.451A@epix.net> References: <6e6j01$o8s$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd209-74-41ppp191.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11383 tjfischer@usa.net wrote: > > has anyone been having problems with the mites this winter. It looks like my > bees made it so far. > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading I began the Winter with 8 hives, all treated with oils plus herbal oils and 2 with Apistan. So far, I have lost 3, all to varroa, none of which were the Apistan hives. Two were weak going in to the winter. This week, I entered two hives and added Apistan, one of which was very weak. I have begun feeding. As of now, I expect to end with 50%. This is NE Penna. Burns Article 11384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!mcafee.com!not-for-mail From: advanced_research@mcafee.com (NewsSniffer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: McAfee NewsSniffer Warning: Virus posted to this newsgroup Date: 11 Mar 1998 12:16:12 -0800 Organization: McAfee Labs Lines: 25 Sender: news@mcafee.com Message-ID: <6e6rec$peq$1@replicant.he.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: replicant.he.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11384 To whom it may concern: A virus infected file was posted to this newsgroup on 11 Mar 1998 17:30:31 GMT and subsequently detected by McAfee Labs' NewsSniffer. The file .doc, infected by the CAP virus, was posted under the following header: From: "Direktor" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.business.import-export.raw-material,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agri Subject: sale agriculture Date: 11 Mar 1998 17:30:31 GMT Organization: Dars-Profit Lines: 574 Message-ID: <01bd4d0b$3d8446e0$d64d7cc1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva.itl.net.ua X-Trace: Apollo.ITL.Net.UA 889637431 17679 (None) 193.124.78.69 X-Complaints-To: usenet@Apollo.ITL.Net.UA X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 You can download the latest BETA version of Network Associates' award winning anti-virus software from: http://beta.nai.com/public/dosscan/betascan.zip ftp://beta.nai.com/dosscan/betascan.zip This version includes protection for the CAP virus. 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Article 11385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McAfee NewsSniffer Warning: Virus posted to this newsgroup Date: 11 Mar 1998 21:33:56 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6e7004$r0j$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6e6rec$peq$1@replicant.he.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Summary: More SPAM: write to these guys and complain Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11385 In article <6e6rec$peq$1@replicant.he.net>, NewsSniffer wrote: >To whom it may concern: > >A virus infected file was posted to this newsgroup on 11 Mar 1998 17:30:31 >GMT and subsequently detected by McAfee Labs' NewsSniffer. The file .doc, >infected by the CAP virus, was posted under the following header: > >From: "Direktor" >Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,alt.business.import-export.raw-material,alt.sustainable.agriculture,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agri >Subject: sale agriculture >Date: 11 Mar 1998 17:30:31 GMT I haven't seen it yet. Thanks for the warning. But, since one needs to download a *.doc file and execute it to get the CAP virus, one isn't going to get it by reading news on this or any other group--so in a way, you're just spamming this group with an ad for your anti-virus software. Thanks, now go back to where you came from, unless your software helps with virus that Varroa vectors. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee mites Date: 12 Mar 1998 00:23:34 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19980312002300.TAA09664@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <350707C9.451A@epix.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11386 As of Monday 9 march Article 11387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee mites Date: 12 Mar 1998 00:33:34 GMT Lines: 22 Message-ID: <19980312003300.TAA11490@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <350707C9.451A@epix.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11387 oops As of Monday 9 March of 25 hives one was a deadout and one was queenless. Both losses were swarms which I did not requeen and I assume they just didn't have the time to raise a new queen on their own. All recieved apistan for 6 weeks last fall and now have Apistan and feeders on them now. I am in Southeast CT Before the coldsnap they were bringing in yellow and orange pollen. Counting the losses that makes a 92% success rate and I am tickled. Brood was present in all 23 of the other hives. I don't use menthol but do use both vegetable oil and mineral oil. 6 new queens are on order for mid April. no sign of x wings or wing deformities. I did have a little bit of mouse damage and will be better at screening the entrances next fall. If the weather permits I will attempt to give the queenless hive a frame with eggs and see what they do with it as I am not so sure about trying to unite it with another hive. 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M4D%"24,$0T%04PA#05)$5$585 I#2$%21D]234%4"D1/3$Q!4E1%6%0(1DE2 M4U1#05 #2$58!4Q/5T52"TU%4D=%1D]234%4!T]21$E.04P'3U)$5$585 52 M3TU!3@554%!%4@-!0E,%4D]53D0'1$5&24Y%1 -)3E0#04Y$!49!3%-%`TU! M6 --24X#34]$!T%615)!1T4%0T]53E0#3D]4`D]2!U!23T150U0"248$4TE' M3@-354T$5%)510`````$````$ ```!$````6````%P```!X````?````(0`` M`"(````H````*0```#,````[````0@```%L```!B````;@```'D```!Z```` M? ```(4```"(````L@```+D```"\````R@```,P```#.````T ```-<```#Q M````]P```/@````"`0```P$```\!```0`0``$@$``!,!```?`0``( $``"4! M```F`0``+0$``"X!```P`0``,0$``#0$``'X!``!_`0``A@$``( References: <19980308173701.MAA12020@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vern.ohio.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11389 I would agree with the other comments on not using any plastic for fermenting, but for (at least temporary) honey storage get some 5 gallon buckets from a doughnut shop. Their filling materials come in these. They will be very greasy and smell like the filling (lemon, rasberry, etc.), so wash them well and set out in the sun for a few days. The sun bleaches them and helps remove the smell. On 8 Mar 1998 17:37:08 GMT, redshrike@aol.com (Red shrike) wrote: >Just wondering if anyone knows if the 5 gallon spakle (drywall plaster) buckets >could be used as a primary fermeter for Mead with no adverse affects. They are >marked HDPE on the bottom but are they suitible for brewing or food grade >palstic? Also, could I use these same buckets for Honey processing. Of course >I'd clean and steralize them first with bleech. Anyone knows please reply. >Thank you for your responses. > >Redshrike@aol.com > > Article 11390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee mites Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:25:21 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 55 Message-ID: <350755A1.CC32ABC5@valley.net> References: <350707C9.451A@epix.net> <19980312003300.TAA11490@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-207.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11390 BeeCrofter wrote: > oops > As of Monday 9 March of 25 hives one was a deadout and one was queenless. > Both losses were swarms which I did not requeen and I assume they just didn't > have the time to raise a new queen on their own. > All recieved apistan for 6 weeks last fall and now have Apistan and feeders on > them now. > I am in Southeast CT > Before the coldsnap they were bringing in yellow and orange pollen. > Counting the losses that makes a 92% success rate and I am tickled. Brood was > present in all 23 of the other hives. > I don't use menthol but do use both vegetable oil and mineral oil. > 6 new queens are on order for mid April. > > no sign of x wings or wing deformities. > I did have a little bit of mouse damage and will be better at screening the > entrances next fall. > If the weather permits I will attempt to give the queenless hive a frame with > eggs and see what they do with it as I am not so sure about trying to unite it > with another hive. > > Tom greetings, tom. since you are in se ct and i am in west central nh, you are a relatively close data point for me. however, i still have over a foot of snow on the ground, and my warmest days recently have made it only into the mid-40's, so maybe the proximity, while geographic, is not climatic. although the bees have been coming out for their 'elimination' runs in the early afternoon, that activity only lasts for about 1/2 hour, and i haven't seen any signs of pollen collection, yet. with the passage of the latest cold front yesterday it only warmed into the low 20's today. it 's now +5F outside at 10 pm, and dropping. obviously, the bees be hunkered down, again. i would dearly love to put in my spring apistan strips, but i'm very reluctant to open the hive under these conditions. this is my first spring as a beekeeper, and i'm sort of fretting over the timing of treatment. if you don't mind my asking, what was the weather like, when you added your strips and feeders: 30's, 40's, 50's? thanks, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.uow.edu.au!basil.acr.net.au!news From: Trevor Jory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Bottom Boards Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:06:28 +1000 Organization: Black Range Farm Lines: 2 Message-ID: <35072704.29BC@acr.net.au> References: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> <6dtcbd$qpr@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: bumbleb@acr.net.au NNTP-Posting-Host: be2511s204.acr.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11391 in australia i use 22# zincalume (thin tin )i suppose the bees feet would freeze in the u.s. Article 11392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.uow.edu.au!basil.acr.net.au!news From: Trevor Jory Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Painting Bottom Boards Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:06:10 +1000 Organization: Black Range Farm Lines: 2 Message-ID: <350726F2.7566@acr.net.au> References: <34FD86E2.6D5E@wizard.net> <6dtcbd$qpr@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: bumbleb@acr.net.au NNTP-Posting-Host: be2511s204.acr.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11392 in australia i use 22# zincalume (thin tin ) suppose the bees feet would freeze in the u.s. Article 11393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apistan-resistant varroa Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:19:59 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3507C4DF.675E@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 9816@205.216.79.109 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) CC: tomasmozer@juno.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11393 check out the univ.of fla./inst.of food&agric.sci. news release at: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mediaweb/98ifnr0311.html Article 11394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: Aaron Thompson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: used equipment Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:07:11 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <350421BF.57DB0FE4@lisco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-953.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11394 Hello I live in south east Iowa and am thinking about starting a few bee hives. Can you tell me where to get used equipment? Thank You Article 11395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: freddie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queens & fructose Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:05:12 -0500 Organization: ACC TelEnterprises Ltd. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35083FF7.D007B7BE@ican.net> References: <35035A95.1A57@junct.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-041.kingston-01.ican.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11395 Tommy Beats wrote: > How do you clip a queens wings? I mean exactly how much of the wing > should be clipped off? > Also when diluting fructose for feeding. What is the dilution of parts > of fructose to water. Thanks, tbeats To feed your bees there are two different formulas. In fall it is 2:1, in spring it is 1:2. To clip your queens wings it is suggested that you hold your queen at the thorax between your fore finger and thumb. Clip approximately 1/2 of her wing, but not beyond 2/3.You only need to clip one wing, this way you can tell how old your queen is if you alternate. Even years would be the left and odd would be the right. Article 11396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: freddie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control ? Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:09:36 -0500 Organization: ACC TelEnterprises Ltd. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <350840FF.66202DF@ican.net> References: <19980311013900.UAA27130@ladder03.news.aol.com> <350675BA.54A0@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-041.kingston-01.ican.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11396 tomas mozer wrote: > drone brood comb varroa trapping is one non-chemical (partial) control > method advocated by some, as is breaking the brood cycle by splitting > hives and/or caging queens...you might consider using oils-of-essence or > food grade mineral oil as "natural" (although stillunproven/experimental) > ...most available information is still anecdotal, but you can check out > the Lusby's (in Arizona) approach in Bee Culture on-line: > > http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan2.html > > this month's issue also has an overview of standard treatments, as well > as the bees own natural defense mechanisms...good luck! Here in Canada as a helping method for varroa mites, we use one of the old methods. Mix shortening with icing sugar and leave this in your hives from spring till fall. You could leave it in over the winter period but is not suggested to do so. Article 11397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Q about combining swarms Date: 13 Mar 1998 04:47:37 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6eadp9$jua@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.100.225 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11397 March 1 had a good size swarm issue from my single hive. Captured and hived no problem. March 10 had an after-swarm from the same hive but rather small. Captured swarm and destroyed virgin queen :(. I am going to attempt to combine these queenless bees with the primary swarm. What I did was put an inner cover with an escape on top of the primary swarm, packed the escape full of damp sugar and dumped the after-swarm into a shallow super on top of this and covered it up. My logic is that they will slowly eat thru the sugar and meet up with the bees below and all will be happy. I guess I could have used the newspaper method but I like to experiment. Any reason this won't work? The primary swarm are taking large qty of syrup and have drawn out quite a bit of foundation, even the Pierco that were on clearance at the local bee supply. BTW, I am in the central valley in Ca and other than the downpours it has been real mild an very spring-like. I guess it is true what is said about a single ray of sun being spring to the A.m.ligustica. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 11398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!chollian!SKHSYK From: SKHSYK@chollian.dacom.co.kr (Chollian Newsgroup User) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help Date: 13 Mar 1998 04:35:57 GMT Organization: DACOM Internet Service Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6ead3d$oll$1@newstmp1.bora.net> References: <01bd4ce8$dc4d0280$11ce949f@pek.rok.bkc.lv> <6e6p6q$end@titan.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: magicall2.dacom.co.kr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11398 ¤¼ Adam Finkelstein (adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu) wrote: : In article <01bd4ce8$dc4d0280$11ce949f@pek.rok.bkc.lv>, : Janis Priede wrote: : >Hello! : > : >I have problem. I find not information of Queen rearing in WWW. : >Where find information of Queen rearing. : >I interesed Jenter or Doolittle method for Queen rearing. : > : http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees : click on FAQ files : click on the Beekeeping Book FAQ : There are a few good queen rearing books listed there. : Adam : -- : ___________________________________________________________________________ : Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive : adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 11399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KL" <40099@utech.net> Subject: Getting bees Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bd4e4c$e4644720$3ca302d0@newuser> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: sm1-39.utech.net Date: 13 Mar 98 06:42:57 GMT Lines: 5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.61.179.7!news.utech.net!sm1-39.utech.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11399 If anyone knows- I need help finding a source of bees in California, preferably between fresno and LA I need a nucleus colony preferably of caucasian or cornolian bees. Thank you for any help 40099@utech.net Article 11400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q about combining swarms Date: 13 Mar 1998 13:53:35 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19980313135300.IAA01616@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6eadp9$jua@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11400 You might try combing the two swarms by just placing a sheet of newspaper between the two hive bodies. The bees in the top box will eat a small hole in the paper and be slowly introduced to the lower hive AND the queens phermones. This is any easy way to combine a samller queenless hive with a equal or larger queen-right hive. Good luck Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 11401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary,sci.med.nutrition,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Agrow World Crop Protection News headlines Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:09:51 +0000 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: <7D98sFA$wUC1Ew61@pjbnet.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.med.veterinary:15972 sci.med.nutrition:87467 sci.agriculture:24347 sci.agriculture.poultry:4746 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11401 sci.agriculture.fruit:1548 The updated headlines from Agrow World Crop Protection News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Agrow is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 11402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.68.62.96!oronet!not-for-mail From: gozer@oro.net (Stunt Borg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting bees Date: 13 Mar 1998 11:47:51 -0800 Organization: International Internet Administration Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6ec2h7$3gh$1@Au.oro.net> References: <01bd4e4c$e4644720$3ca302d0@newuser> NNTP-Posting-Host: au.oro.net X-Server-Date: 13 Mar 1998 19:48:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11402 In article <01bd4e4c$e4644720$3ca302d0@newuser> "KL" <40099@utech.net> delayed the second coming by announcing: >If anyone knows- I need help finding a source of bees in California, >preferably between fresno and LA I need a nucleus colony preferably of >caucasian or cornolian bees. I have had godd success with bees and queens from Randy Oliver in Grass Valley, CA. You can reach him via email at randyo@nccn.net. -- Yesterday it worked Today it is not working Windows is like that -- Margaret Segall gozer@oro.net +++ PGP email welcome. Article 11403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bottm Boards Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:45:35 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6ecjsc$mip$4@lasierra.pe.net> References: <19980308173701.MAA12020@ladder03.news.aol.com> <19980308193100.OAA00984@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp19.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11403 In article He noted that the bees can land and >enter a flush entrance just as well as one that juts out, and don't need >any porch to land on. > Who'dathunkit? Now I won't have to make a landing platform at all on the beeway of the new top bar hive I am building. Article 11404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: " Jack Griffes (spamblocked)" Subject: Re: queens & fructose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35035A95.1A57@junct.com> <35083FF7.D007B7BE@ican.net> Message-ID: <01bd4eed$1d959580$efae99d1@mgriffes> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.153.174.239 Date: 13 Mar 98 20:55:17 GMT Lines: 31 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!intdals02.acs-inc.com!diablo.tmi.net!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news6.kcdata.com!209.153.174.239 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11404 freddie wrote in article <35083FF7.D007B7BE@ican.net>... > > > Tommy Beats wrote: > > > How do you clip a queens wings? I mean exactly how much of the wing > > should be clipped off? > >To clip your queens wings it is suggested that you hold > your queen at the thorax between your fore finger and thumb. Clip > approximately 1/2 of her wing, but not beyond 2/3.You only need to clip one > wing, this way you can tell how old your queen is if you alternate. Even > years would be the left and odd would be the right. > Be certain you ONLY clip one set of wings on a given queen. Why you ask? Well if you clip both sets fairly equally the unbalancing effect that keeps her from flying when clipped suddenly is not in effect. Sure it ain't as easy to fly with shorter wings but if they are pretty near the same length you just watch her do it while you try to explain why it can't be done. -- Jack Griffes Onsted, MI 49265 USA e-mail: jack_griffes AT hotmail.com (just replace "AT" with the at symbol) website: http://members.tripod.com/Griffes/ Article 11405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control ? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:34:19 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6ectoo$t0i$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <19980311013900.UAA27130@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp89.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11405 Top bar hives can be operated without apistan, fulavinate, etc. When all the beekeepers shift to top bar hives, everything will be ok. In article <19980311013900.UAA27130@ladder03.news.aol.com>, tomapis@aol.com (Tomapis) wrote: >Would like to know if anyone is using drone brood combs for controlling mite? I >am very much against the use of any chemical miticide in this country and feel >that it is really putting beekeeping in harms way for the future. Any thoughts? >Thanks. > >Tom > Article 11406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lilwhtdres@aol.com (Lilwhtdres) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: skep Date: 14 Mar 1998 04:21:23 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19980314042100.XAA06102@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11406 looking for old style hives called skeps for photo shoot. Have one or know lead? please e-mail lilwhtdres@aol.com. Thanks Need asap for shoot on 3/19 & 3/20. Thanks!!! Article 11407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skep Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:39:06 +0000 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <19980314042100.XAA06102@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 334 522 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 889886023 12131 (none) 193.63.130.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11407 >looking for old style hives called skeps for photo shoot. Have one or know >lead? please e-mail lilwhtdres@aol.com. Thanks Need asap for shoot on 3/19 & >3/20. Thanks!!! I've got loads of skep stuff around - even a small web site - but I am in the UK, so this might not be of help. -- The box said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"... so I got a Macintosh! -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 Article 11408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bottm Boards Date: 14 Mar 1998 08:26:34 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bd4d96$1ee68960$196cafce@default> References: <19980308173701.MAA12020@ladder03.news.aol.com> <19980308193100.OAA00984@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn112-006.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11408 Hello Bee, After having read Honey Farming by Manley last year I started cutting mine off flush with no ill results. In the book Manley makes the argument that cutting them off helps to prevent rotting of the lower edge of the hive body from the trapping of water as it constantly drips from the lid. I haven't cut them all off because I only mess with them as they come in from deadouts etc. -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach Honey Company BeeCrofter wrote in article <19980308193100.OAA00984@ladder03.news.aol.com>... > Any disadvantage to having bottom boards stop flush with the hive body? > Sure would make mouse guards an easier operation. > Article 11409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control ? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:50:12 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <350A6EF4.4833@juno.com> References: <19980311013900.UAA27130@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6ectoo$t0i$1@lasierra.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 29021@205.216.79.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Peter Amschel Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11409 what part of the world do you keep bees in? would like to hear of any similar reports, even if only anecdotal... any scientific references would bee even more welcome, thanks! Article 11410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control ? Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:32:14 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6eestt$q61$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <19980311013900.UAA27130@ladder03.news.aol.com> <6ectoo$t0i$1@lasierra.pe.net> <350A6EF4.4833@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp06.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11410 In article <350A6EF4.4833@juno.com>, tomas mozer wrote: >what part of the world do you keep bees in? >would like to hear of any similar reports, even if only anecdotal... >any scientific references would bee even more welcome, thanks! I am in Hemet, in Southern California. Article 11411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring came early but we skipped summer & fall Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:36:56 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <350af3eb.13546116@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.220 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11411 Hello fellow beekeepers. I writing to you from East Tennessee near The Great Smoky Mtns. About a month ago it got warm 50's and 60's and everything started blooming. Pears, plums, maples, etc. and the bees were carrying in pollen of all colors, green, white, and yellow. I had just fed my bees a gallon of Fumidil syrup each, put in a terra-patty, and 2 apistan strips. The bees have been working like crazy. Then about 3 of 4 days ago the bottom dropped out of the temperature (13 degrees at night) and all the blooms got killed. This morning the sun was out and temp in the 50's and I had thousands of bees swarming all around everywhere, in the grass, in the gutters of my house, everywhere. You could here them buzzing from inside the house. I then realized they were thirsty. There is a spring about 100 yards away but they didn't seem to want to go that far for water(it was alittle breezy and cool) so I poured water out on the patio and you can't imagine the number of bees. I opened up a couple of hives today and they are absolutely full of bees and capped brood in the bottom deep box and alot in the shallow super above the deep. It's still a month away before we get any tulip poplars blooming and any other major honey flow. What's going to happen to these full hives of bees? Can I put a super of foundation on them this early and if so will these frames of foundation be affected by the apistan and terramycin? I left 2 shallow supers of honey on 1 deep box last fall while I had apistan strips in. The bees wintered over on this honey after I took the strips out in November. I put new strips in again first of FEB. with these two shallows still on. If the bees finish eating this honey before the honey flow can I use these supers for surplus honey after the strips are taken out or does the comb retain the chemicals from the Apistan? Thanks alot for your help Richard Article 11412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.244.197.2!trimpas.omnitel.net!not-for-mail From: Rimas Kaminskas Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Offer Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:24:24 +0200 Organization: Omnitel, Lithuania Lines: 5 Message-ID: <350B0398.274C1512@lintel.lt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.176.45.188 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11412 Specialist of agriculture, who has an experience of leader organizer, good business-like connections in agriculture (plant growing, cattle breeding, poultry farming, veterinary), production and treatment of agriculture products, can represent the interest of various manufactures in Lithuania (in prospect in Latvia, Estonia) Article 11414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.106.34!avalon.net!not-for-mail From: "parker-simkin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: looking for package queens Date: 15 Mar 1998 15:32:59 GMT Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd5026$f259e980$b96a47cc@parkin.avalon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: x2-16.avalon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11414 I am looking for a source of package queens to add into my splits this spring. Are there any sources within the state Iowa, or western Illinois? doug Simkin parkin@avalon.net Article 11415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feeder.qis.net!WCG!WCG-reader!not-for-mail From: abchome@webzone.net Subject: Re: Spring came early but we skipped summer & fall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-User-Info: 208.137.185.190 208.137.185.190 References: <350af3eb.13546116@news.usit.net> Message-ID: <350bec1a.0@wznews.webzone.net> Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:52:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: wznews.webzone.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:52:53 CST Organization: Webzone! http://www.webzone.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11415 The wax does retain the apistan, this has been proven in Euroup where there is no wax without the apistan in it. What I would do is to start feeding the bees when they get down to about 1/2 super. DO NOT LET THEM GO HUNGRY AT THIS LATE DATE. Then when you pull your apistan strips out, add a new super and pull off the supers that you have on now. Save them for fall and put them back on after you rob them (they will fill them up and use them for overwintering again After adding your new super, Feed them again even if there is a honeyflow going on they will quit taking sugar-water when there is enough of a honeyflow to sustain them. Donald Article 11416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: used equipment Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:36:03 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6egvui$bj8$1@market.pe.net> References: <350421BF.57DB0FE4@lisco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp25.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11416 In article <350421BF.57DB0FE4@lisco.net>, Aaron Thompson wrote: >Hello > I live in south east Iowa and am thinking about starting a few bee >hives. Can you tell me where to get used equipment? Thank You > You should build a top bar hive and pour a package of bees into it. Jim Satterfield's web page has all the directions Article 11417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: History of American Beekeeping -- Web Site Update Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:32:54 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <350c1c09.7865286@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.254.219.117 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11417 I am pleased to announce this update to my beekeeping web site: "A Taste of American Beekeeping History" This 3 page section describes a little about beekeeping about 100 years ago as represented in old beekeeping catalogs, books and magazines. It is located at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/index.htm The other sections of the site are: Observation Beehives Cell-plug Queen Rearing (Jenter System) Fiji Beekeeping (My Peace Corps Experience) Kenya Top-bar Hives Beekeeping Tips There is also a links page limited to a few high-quality beekeeping web sites. Hope you enjoy the visit! Regards, John (on a rainy Dallas Sunday) ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 11418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4th swarm...is it over yet? Date: 15 Mar 1998 20:44:23 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6ehej7$hi8@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.100.2 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11418 For a little history on this one hive: Mar 1st, large swarm Mar 10th, small after-swarm Mar 14th. small after-swarm Mar 15th, very small after-swarm In all cases but the 14th, I have been able to capture and am uniting with the primary swarm since I don't want more than 2 hives because of the location. As I was kneeling by the hive as the swarm of the 15th was issuing I noticed 2 dead queens on the ground below the entrance. Can I assume that a new queen to head up the colony has been "selected" and these are rivals that she destroyed and (hopefully) there will not be any more after-swarms? -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 11419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: History of American Beekeeping -- Web Site Update Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:03:18 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6ehfjn$fih$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <350c1c09.7865286@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp79.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11419 In article < http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/index.htm That is a fine resource, John, that new web page of yours, thanks a lot! You are a real "nature boy" with your Peace Corps experiences and everything. Do you speak French? I learned some stuff from your page already like using dried cow or horse manure in the smoker, for example. I especially liked your info on the top bar hives. I have built my second TBH and I have been wondering whether or not to buy package bees with fertile queen for it, or whether I should put a couple of top bars with brood into there from the existing TBH. What do you think, John, would the new TBH work up a new queen for themselves if I stuck a couple of top bars with brood into there with a wish and a prayer? Your web page info on developing your own queens by confining a laying queen in a plastic contraption until she lays down some larvae in those cool plastic dealies was really fascinating! Where do we buy those plastic dealies, I don't remember seeing one in the Dadant catalogue or in their American Beekeeping Journal. Thanks again! Article 11420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.89.75.15!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: Mike & Luci White Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa control ? Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:02:09 +0000 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <350C25B1.19D5790B@globalserve.net> References: <19980311013900.UAA27130@ladder03.news.aol.com> <350675BA.54A0@juno.com> <350840FF.66202DF@ican.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin9.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) To: freddie Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11420 Be careful of what type of icing sugar you use. Some types are not pure and contain additives that are harmful to bees. I don't recall the type of additives at this time. I will look into it and post it up later. Or if any one knows this info please post it. freddie wrote: > tomas mozer wrote: > > > drone brood comb varroa trapping is one non-chemical (partial) control > > method advocated by some, as is breaking the brood cycle by splitting > > hives and/or caging queens...you might consider using oils-of-essence or > > food grade mineral oil as "natural" (although stillunproven/experimental) > > ...most available information is still anecdotal, but you can check out > > the Lusby's (in Arizona) approach in Bee Culture on-line: > > > > http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan2.html > > > > this month's issue also has an overview of standard treatments, as well > > as the bees own natural defense mechanisms...good luck! > > Here in Canada as a helping method for varroa mites, we use one of the old > methods. Mix shortening with icing sugar and leave this in your hives from > spring till fall. You could leave it in over the winter period but is not > suggested to do so. -- Article 11421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jbirt@link2000.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Go Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:33:30 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.243.38.24 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 16 00:33:30 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11421 Can anyone advise me if the fume pads and bee go work as advertised. Am keeping a positive attitude and expecting good crop and looking for a method that is better than blowing or brushing. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!194.67.2.106!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!demos!carrier.kiev.ua!news.donbass.net!news.dipt.donetsk.ua!not-for-mail From: "Praktika" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EXtractor Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:01:20 +0200 Organization: Praktika Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6eife7$g8n$1@pticom.dipt.donetsk.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: praktika.dipt.donetsk.ua X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11422 Dear sirs. Help to find the equipment of corporations MAXANT. Well in Europe Or other corporation. Tomas for Us is very dear(expensive) I thank Roman Article 11423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.6!news2.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: FRANK-JO Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: white chrystals Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:45:53 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <350D3B21.5911@twlakes.net> Reply-To: fscut@twlakes.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-10.r03.tngnbo.infoave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11423 I opened a hive and found no brood, but quite a number of the brood cells had white crystals in them. There is still plenty of honey left in the hive but the hive is nowhere as strong as it was last fall. Could someone give me some information as to what the white crystals are? Thank you Frank Article 11424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.siemens.de!news.HL.Siemens.DE!not-for-mail From: Roland Weigand Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers in Florida Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:00:49 +0100 Organization: Siemens AG, HL SD PE Lines: 15 Message-ID: <350D2281.9F4@HL.Siemens.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: bogart.hl.siemens.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) CC: elvira.fehrenbach@uni-tuebingen.de Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11424 My relative, a beekeeper in Germany is travelling to Florida next time. He is looking for addresses of beekeepers in Florida to establish some contacts. Please mail to me: weigand@hl.siemens.de or directly to elvira.fehrenbach@uni-tuebingen.de Thanks, Roland Weigand. Article 11425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.siemens.de!news.HL.Siemens.DE!news.HL.Siemens.DE!not-for-mail From: weigand@HL.Siemens.DE (Roland Weigand HL ?? ?? ?? Tel. 2 33 68) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers in Florida Date: 16 Mar 1998 14:07:03 +0100 Organization: Siemens AG, Semiconductor Division, Munich Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6ej85n$g52@bogart.HL.Siemens.DE> Reply-To: weigand@HL.Siemens.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: bogart.hl.siemens.de Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11425 My relative, a beekeeper in Germany is travelling to Florida next time. He is looking for addresses of beekeepers in Florida to establish some contacts. Florida's beekeepers, please mail to me: weigand@hl.siemens.de or directly to: elvira.fehrenbach@uni-tuebingen.de Thanks, Roland Weigand. Article 11426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: white chrystals Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:51:04 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <350D2038.4DD9@juno.com> References: <350D3B21.5911@twlakes.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 22233@205.216.79.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: fscut@twlakes.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11426 check out the varroa www hub photo gallery at http://www.res.bbsrc.ac.uk/entnem/about/projects/varroa/alvarweb.htm for any similarities, especially the gears and maff pics, then refer to their other links for more info...good luck! Article 11427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.103.1.117!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skep Date: 16 Mar 1998 18:47:59 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19980316184701.NAA05783@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11427 Call Brushy Mountain Bee Supply 1-800-beeswax. They have them in stock. Article 11428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Anthony Privetera" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: used processing equiptment Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:53:44 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6ekhho$bch@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.252.23.178 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11428 We are looking for used processing equiptment in the northeast please Email. Privetera@worldnet.att.net Thanks Article 11429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removal of established hives and swarms. Date: 17 Mar 1998 01:00:04 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <19980317010000.UAA08340@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19980316184701.NAA05783@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11429 I am helping our safety director in writing a policy on how to deal with honeybees on campus. I have kept bees for 20 years and my usual response to a report of a hive on campus is "Give me 30 minutes and I will be there to catch it". I can usually set part of it up in an observation hive and use it for a demonstration. She said this was fine as long as I was available but that is not always so. The beekeepers in the area are not interested anymore due to the mite problems here. So, if I am not available and the hiveor swarm is in a location that they are a threat to the student, what are some means of killing the bees quickly without endangering others. I have already told her not to use wasp and hornet spray because that stuff can make the bees very angry and people could get hurt before all the bees are killed. I have heard of using a sulfur compound. I think it is sulfur dioxide but I am not sure. I am looking for other suggestions on what to use and how to deal with this problem. Article 11430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:30:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Removal of established hives and swarms. References: <19980317010000.UAA08340@ladder03.news.aol.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: Anonymous From: ootka Old-Author-Address: somebody unknown location Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at anon efga org> Message-ID: Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11430 [NOTE: This message was remailed by an anonymous remailing system. The original sender is unknown, and has inserted the From: header. This information has not been verified. As with all mail or news messages, you should examine the headers carefully before responding. Direct questions about this system to .] I think you may be thinking of carbon dioxide, as in CO2 fire extinguishers. The idea is that it cools 'em down and freezes them -- takes the fight out of 'em. Should work, but I've never tried it. Sulfur dioxide is a rather toxic gas used in preserving fruit; also a smog component. beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) asked: > > >I am helping our safety director in writing a policy on how to deal with >honeybees on campus. I have kept bees for 20 years and my usual response to >a >report of a hive on campus is "Give me 30 minutes and I will be there to >catch >it". I can usually set part of it up in an observation hive and use it for a >demonstration. She said this was fine as long as I was available but that is >not always so. The beekeepers in the area are not interested anymore due to >the mite problems here. >So, if I am not available and the hiveor swarm is in a location that they are >a >threat to the student, what are some means of killing the bees quickly >without >endangering others. > >I have already told her not to use wasp and hornet spray because that stuff >can >make the bees very angry and people could get hurt before all the bees are >killed. > >I have heard of using a sulfur compound. I think it is sulfur dioxide but I >am >not sure. I am looking for other suggestions on what to use and how to deal >with this problem. > Article 11431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removal of established hives and swarms. Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:57:16 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6eks7q$per$1@magnolia.pe.net> References: <19980316184701.NAA05783@ladder03.news.aol.com> <19980317010000.UAA08340@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp18.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11431 In article < what are some means of killing the bees quickly without >endangering others. > I have read that soapy water sprayed on them will suffocate them. It certainly is too bad to have to do this. We hope you will always be available to hive these unfortunate bees. Article 11432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA NATIONAL MARKET NEWS Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:22:06 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <350dc0e9.4094374@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.25.61.253 Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!208.25.61.253 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11432 To read the USDA Honey market news for February, released March 6, and ported to the OLd Drone's hideout at: http://209.76.50.54 Watch this site for up to date reports and information for the beekeepers in the field. ttul, the Old Drone ... How doth the little busy bee (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 11433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!huron.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.nerdc.ufl.edu!not-for-mail From: "Eric Almond" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Natural Biological Bee Repelant Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:16:47 -0500 Organization: Northeast Regional Data Center Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6el0kg$1deq$1@spnode06.nerdc.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-12-ts29.nerdc.ufl.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11433 Hello, I have a fairly big bee problem. I'm not talking about the normal "regular" honey bees. I'm talking about those HUGE BIG FAT BLACK bumble bees. It seems that 20 or so of those huge bees like to swarm around my front door and back patio. Rather than anger the bees, and swat them or spraw some sort of chemical on them, I'm looking for a natural repelant. I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any kind of plant that naturally deters or repels the bees?? Any help will be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks, Eric Gainesville, FL aquila@grove.ufl.edu Article 11434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6el0kg$1deq$1@spnode06.nerdc.ufl.edu> Subject: Re: Natural Biological Bee Repelant Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:44:01 -0000 Lines: 38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-243.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <350e3dc6.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peernews.ftech.net!194.106.32.13.MISMATCH!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-243.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11434 Eric Almond wrote in message <6el0kg$1deq$1@spnode06.nerdc.ufl.edu>... >Hello, > >I have a fairly big bee problem. I'm not talking about the normal "regular" >honey bees. > >I'm talking about those HUGE BIG FAT BLACK bumble bees. > >It seems that 20 or so of those huge bees like to swarm around my front door >and back patio. Rather than anger the bees, and swat them or spraw some sort >of chemical on them, I'm looking for a natural repelant. > >I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any kind of plant that >naturally deters or repels the bees?? > >Any help will be greatly appreciated!!! > >Thanks, >Eric >Gainesville, FL >aquila@grove.ufl.edu > > I used to use a cream from the pharmacist/chemist which repelled all insects. It's name is something like "mist. pot. sin.", but I've no idea what that means, though the pharmacist should know. I used to put a little on my hands and neck, and manipulate the bees with no veil or gloves. Kidney John KJ@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply "Tenax et Fidelis" Article 11435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Natural Biological Bee Repelant Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:07:11 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <350E676F.2DCB@juno.com> References: <6el0kg$1deq$1@spnode06.nerdc.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4412@205.216.79.74 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Eric Almond Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11435 mint(menthol) and almond(bitter) oils, natural or synthetic, are both honeybee repellents of sorts...don't know what they do for bumblebees or carpenter bees (which strongly resemble the bumblers). if they are bumblebees, you might try calling the apiary inspection bureau at the division of plant industry in gainesville,(352)372-3505...they may be interested in collecting the nest (if it's accessible) for research/demonstration purposes. > Hello, > > I have a fairly big bee problem. I'm not talking about the normal "regular" > honey bees. > > I'm talking about those HUGE BIG FAT BLACK bumble bees. > > It seems that 20 or so of those huge bees like to swarm around my front door > and back patio. Rather than anger the bees, and swat them or spraw some sort > of chemical on them, I'm looking for a natural repelant. > > I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any kind of plant that > naturally deters or repels the bees?? > > Any help will be greatly appreciated!!! > > Thanks, > Eric > Gainesville, FL > aquila@grove.ufl.edu Article 11436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Natural Biological Bee Repelant Date: 17 Mar 1998 14:22:32 GMT Lines: 49 Message-ID: <19980317142201.JAA07269@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6el0kg$1deq$1@spnode06.nerdc.ufl.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11436 From: "Eric Almond" >I have a fairly big bee problem. I'm not talking about the normal "regular" >honey bees. > >I'm talking about those HUGE BIG FAT BLACK bumble bees. > >It seems that 20 or so of those huge bees like to swarm around my front door >and back patio. Rather than anger the bees, and swat them or spraw some sort >of chemical on them, I'm looking for a natural repelant. If they were bumblebees nesting by your door, you'd surely have been stung by now, as they aggressively protect their nest. These are carpenter bees. About the only way you could get them to sting is to grab a female and mash her. They are very gentle. Actually the females will ignore you and go about making their nests. The drones are the ones that are "in your face." Whether they are curious, or playful or looking for mates, they will look you over very carefully, and tend to mirror your movements. If you toss a pebble, they will chase it. If it is any reassurance, the drones cannot ever sting and the females are highly unlikely to. They are extremely important as pollinators for early blossoms, such as your wild or domestic plums. They are not appreciated by blueberry growers, because they often bite through the flower petals to get nectar without pollinating the blossoms. But they are important for many flowers. They do some minor damage to wood, but will nest in the same holes year after year, and the damage is just cosmetic. I don't think there is any effective repellant. Enjoy them. Play with them. I like to play mirror games with the drones. It makes a great show for your guests, and helps educate them about wonders of nature. They will not hurt you. And they are a vital part of the natural order. If you kill them, you will make your environment more sterile. If enough people kill them, we, and other creatures, will have less food, through loss of their pollination. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: South American Beekeepers Date: 17 Mar 1998 16:23:06 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bd4c46$593e03a0$f6d92dce@gqgrmhba> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2-dialin205.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11437 I am looking to converse with someone in the Beekeeping Industry from South America! Article 11438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!feed.nntp.acc.ca!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!not-for-mail From: "MacWax" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Organizations in Northern United States Date: 17 Mar 1998 16:23:07 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd4c46$ab0e3a60$f6d92dce@gqgrmhba> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2-dialin205.cpnet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11438 Hi! I am wondering who I can contact to find out about any North or South Dakota Beekeeping organizations? Article 11439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cargo.tc.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: white chrystals Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:42:58 -0500 Organization: lahdeefreakindaaah Lines: 12 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <350D3B21.5911@twlakes.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cargo.tc.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11439 In article <350D3B21.5911@twlakes.net>, fscut@twlakes.net wrote: > I opened a hive and found no brood, but quite a number of the brood > cells had white crystals in them. There is still plenty of honey left > in the hive but the hive is nowhere as strong as it was last fall. > Could someone give me some information as to what the white crystals > are? > Thank you > Frank granules of crystallized honey. Certain honeys such as aster honey will look this way during or after wintering. Article 11440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Natural Biological Bee Repelant Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:57:49 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6emo1a$bt3$1@market.pe.net> References: <6el0kg$1deq$1@spnode06.nerdc.ufl.edu> <19980317142201.JAA07269@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp11.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11440 In article <1 > Enjoy them. Play with them. I like to play mirror games with the drones. >It makes a great show for your guests, and helps educate them about wonders of >nature. > > They will not hurt you. And they are a vital part of the natural order. If >you kill them, you will make your environment more sterile. If enough people >kill them, we, and other creatures, will have less food, through loss of their >pollination. > Three cheers for the Pollinator of South Carolina, friend of the hymenopterous (membrane winged) insects and of the other things of God's creation. Hip Hip Horray! Hip Hip Horray! Hip Hip Horray! Article 11441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Eric " Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking for package queens Date: 17 Mar 1998 22:29:05 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6emtfh$480@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bd5026$f259e980$b96a47cc@parkin.avalon.net> Reply-To: "Eric " NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.10.69 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11441 You might try York Bee Company, P. O. Box 307, Jesup, Georgia 31598-0307. I've been buying queens through the mail from them for 17 years. Very dependable. (912)427-7311. I'm up in Maine. parker-simkin wrote in article <01bd5026$f259e980$b96a47cc@parkin.avalon.net>... > I am looking for a source of package queens to add into my splits this > spring. Are there any sources within the state Iowa, or western Illinois? > doug Simkin > parkin@avalon.net > Article 11442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <350F1C9B.B376DAB4@qnet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:00:12 -0800 From: M Tibbs Organization: BioStore International X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question from a prospective beekeeper. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: lanc00-23.ca.qnet.com Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!newsfeed.qnet.com!news.qnet.com!lanc00-23.ca.qnet.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11442 Greetings, I am looking into getting a hive of hobby bees, does anyone have any recomendations on what type of bees to get, or any good sites on the web for the beginner? If so, please e-mail me at my home address. -Wes Article 11443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: pjdickson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bee honey Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:49:47 -0500 Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <350EC5CB.75EA@concentric.net> Reply-To: pdickson@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d19.cht-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11443 our bees died for reasons unknown as of yet. can we still consume the honey? should we pasturize it? help- j.d. Article 11444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!news.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: white chrystals Date: 18 Mar 1998 02:42:26 GMT Organization: Dreamscape Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bd5217$831ec840$b8b772ce@default> References: <350D3B21.5911@twlakes.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sb23.dreamscape.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11444 Is it possible that this is some crystallized honey? If you are in the north, I would not expect to find alot of brood but there should be some be now if your queen is ok. FRANK-JO wrote in article <350D3B21.5911@twlakes.net>... > I opened a hive and found no brood, but quite a number of the brood > cells had white crystals in them. There is still plenty of honey left > in the hive but the hive is nowhere as strong as it was last fall. > Could someone give me some information as to what the white crystals > are? > Thank you > Frank > Article 11445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!news.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How did you winter? Date: 18 Mar 1998 02:49:14 GMT Organization: Dreamscape Online Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd5218$7643f5e0$b8b772ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: sb23.dreamscape.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11445 Northern Beekeepers- have you done any inspections yet? What are your findings. We appear to have very little loss in Central New York state but the worst may still be in front of us. It seems like they have been able to fly alot this winter so the food stores are low and we are feeding but this may be a good sign compared to the last couple of years. Any comments will be appreciated. dnorth@dreamscape.com Article 11446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!dogbert.supra.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!news.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic Acid? Date: 18 Mar 1998 02:46:40 GMT Organization: Dreamscape Online Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd5218$1af50580$b8b772ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: sb23.dreamscape.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11446 I understand that Formic Acid is being used for treatment of mites in Canada and Europe but not yet approved in the US. Can anyone that is using Formic Acid in these other countries comment about its effectiveness and dangers? dnorth@dreamscape.com Article 11447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:19:08 -0500 Subject: Re: dead bee honey References: <350EC5CB.75EA@concentric.net> CC: pdickson@concentric.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: Anonymous From: ootka Old-Author-Address: somebody unknown location Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at anon efga org> Message-ID: <6b4cf008ababaa5bfd44b3a04d90b3e5@anonymous.poster> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11447 [NOTE: This message was remailed by an anonymous remailing system. The original sender is unknown, and has inserted the From: header. This information has not been verified. As with all mail or news messages, you should examine the headers carefully before responding. Direct questions about this system to .] pjdickson says... > >our bees died for reasons unknown as of yet. can we still consume the >honey? should we pasturize it? >help- >j.d. > Unless the reason the bees died is very unusual (e.g., poisoned w/a chemical agent of some kind), I wouldn't hesitate to use it. Depending on how long the bees have been dead, you may be well advised to pasteurize it, if only to try to help reduce the moisture content, prevent crystallization, and inhibit the growth of yeasts which may cause fermentation. Bon appétit! :Þ Article 11448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How did you winter? Date: 18 Mar 1998 06:34:18 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6enpta$6l7@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bd5218$7643f5e0$b8b772ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.96.147 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11448 What winter.....from California -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail mrnorth wrote in article <01bd5218$7643f5e0$b8b772ce@default>... > Northern Beekeepers- have you done any inspections yet? What are your > findings. We appear to have very little loss in Central New York state but > the worst may still be in front of us. It seems like they have been able > to fly alot this winter so the food stores are low and we are feeding but > this may be a good sign compared to the last couple of years. Any comments > will be appreciated. > > dnorth@dreamscape.com > Article 11449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!demos!carrier.kiev.ua!news.donbass.net!news.dipt.donetsk.ua!not-for-mail From: "Praktika" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: equipment Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:16:01 +0200 Organization: Praktika Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6eo6t0$k53$1@pticom.dipt.donetsk.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: praktika.dipt.donetsk.ua X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11449 Dear Sirs, I am really interested in beekeeping equipment. My firm location is in Ukraine. I`d like to obtain list of manufacturers of that kind of equipment, especially MAXANT company. Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Roman Shparber. Article 11463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Kentish Bee News letter mailing list Message-ID: <890241859@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:22:38 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/118 2f4f45e5 PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.12a EH00015 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11463 The Kentish Bee News letter for the Kent Bee Keepers Association is published on our mailing list server every month. How To subscribe to Kentbee-L Send E-mail TO: listserv@amigabee.org.uk Leave subject: Message Body: subscribe kentbee-L Regards Steve --- * Origin: Bromley Beekeeping in the 21st Century (240:244/118) Article 11464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.2.96.62!news.rain.net!news.integrityonline.com!208.213.212.42 From: "Don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how cold? Date: 20 Mar 98 00:46:36 GMT Organization: RAINet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd536b$c24bde40$2ad4d5d0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.integrityonline.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11464 I just received some queens in the mail at the time I got them out of the mailbox it was 47 degrees hard telling how cold it got in the mail truck the night before. What is the temerature that the queen will be affected? It was 70 the day I ordered the queens. Thanks Article 11465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.250.2!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!not-for-mail From: "DARRELL" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee hive lifter Date: 19 Mar 1998 09:13:38 GMT Organization: Telstra Internet Browse Server Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bd5317$2f9ccb80$386c13cb@master> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.19.108.56 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11465 bad backs contact us for more info on Billett Easyloader lifts full hives and honey supers light weight and whats more it works . Split boom electric winching with auto level or manual level reach to 4.8 mtrs.or 16ft. happy loading Darrell Copeman Article 11466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.60.0.212!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "John J. Kriz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Connecticut Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:50:22 -0500 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3511CB5E.7487@snet.net> Reply-To: john.kriz@snet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: smfr01-sh3-port149.snet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SNET (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11466 Looking for info on Connecticut beekeeping organizations, and info on Connecticut Dept. of Agiculture, and what they have available for beekeepers. Thanks. Article 11467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how cold? Date: 20 Mar 1998 04:17:54 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998032004175400.XAA17274@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bd536b$c24bde40$2ad4d5d0@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11467 In article <01bd536b$c24bde40$2ad4d5d0@default>, "Don" writes: >I just received some queens in the mail at the time I got them out of the >mailbox it was >47 degrees hard telling how cold it got in the mail truck the night before. >What is the temerature that the queen will be affected? It was 70 the day I >ordered the queens. You could have a claim on the postman. On most queen shipments, the instructions clearly tell not to expose to temperature extremes. Queens that are chilled may be alive, but not productive. The only way to know for sure is to try her. Be ready to replace her, if she is laying poorly. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 11468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.118.244.209!newsfeed-inn.meganews.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Danko Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nails for hive construction, help! Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:41:31 -0800 Organization: MegaNews! Lines: 20 Message-ID: <35129C3B.505A@cdsnet.net> Reply-To: pdanko@cdsnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: d01a81fc.dip.cdsnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11468 i am assembling two hives for the very first time. i'm doing it this weekend before a very nice beekeeper gives me two swarms next week! (well, queens willing) i don't have time to order nails from a beekeeping supply place. what nails should i pick up at the hardware store? 8ds? others? how long should they be? also, can i just use a nail remove/prybar as a hive tool? or would that be too thick and brutish? the only ones i see at the hardware store seem to be either thick 12" ones or thin 7" ones... would either of these work? i really appreciate any help. plese reply to the newsgroup, my email has been iffy lately. :) thanks!! rebecca, (a very new beekeeper in southern oregon) Article 11469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nails for hive construction, help! Date: 20 Mar 1998 21:40:18 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 60 Message-ID: <6euno2$mip$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <35129C3B.505A@cdsnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11469 Pete Danko (pdanko@cdsnet.net) wrote: : i am assembling two hives for the very : first time. i'm doing it this weekend before : a very nice beekeeper gives me two swarms next week! : (well, queens willing) : i don't have time to order nails from a beekeeping : supply place. what nails should i pick up at the hardware : store? 8ds? others? how long should they be? : also, can i just use a nail remove/prybar as a hive : tool? or would that be too thick and brutish? the only : ones i see at the hardware store seem to be either thick : 12" ones or thin 7" ones... would either of these work? : i really appreciate any help. plese reply to the : newsgroup, my email has been iffy lately. :) : thanks!! : rebecca, : (a very new beekeeper in southern oregon) 2"to 2.5" common nails will be fine for the hive bodies and supers. If you can get the galvanized, do so, but the most important thing is to paint them (exterior only). Also, I recommend you use wood glue too. If the colony ever comes down in a high wind you'll be glad you did. As for frames, 1 inch finishing nails are cheap and will work well, though I again recommend glue. In two or three years when everything is gummed up, you'll be glad that you did. A small (8 oz) hammer) is nice for the frames, though you'll need or want something larger for the hivebodies. The former is especially true if you end up recruiting small hands to help in the assembly. As for the pry bars, the small ones will work, but they are a little hard on the palm of your hands, being so narrow, when you need to smack them in between hivebodies or supers. I have been using a great big one (13 or 14 inches) for a few years now. I never lose it in tall grass either. (It pays to put some red paint on all of one's tools if you have hives in brushy areas and can't always get out to keep the brush on all sides down). My recommendation is that you buy a standard beekeeping prybar to begin with. After you've lost your third or 4th one, you'll be in a better position to decide whetehr or not to economize or go with a large, unloseable one! Also next year, look into getting a "frame grip" device. Well worth it in the long run. Finally, get some advice from your local beekeeper about feeding and hiving the swarms. Even if you have a nectar flow (things blooming in abundance and the bees bringing it in) internal feeding will get your swarms off to a good start. Good Luck Dave T. P.S. Be sure to start with gloves and a veil, start worrying about building up your sting tolerance after you get comfortable working with them. Beginners sometimes get discouraged if they take a lot of stings when they first begin. As you gain experience, you'll make fewer sting provoking mistakes and also develop the ability to discern the mood of your bees... Article 11470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can't find a bee inspector Date: 20 Mar 1998 22:13:03 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998032022130301.RAA12170@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11470 (Mississippi) Called department of agr. for a week - no answer. Called wildlife department in hopes of getting pointed in the right direction. They didn't have a clue. Any help would "bee" apreciated. Already had two swarms and could use a mentor. Thanks Article 11471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nails for hive construction, help! Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:40:16 -0600 Organization: Honeybee Improvement Program Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6evgb6$9nr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35129C3B.505A@cdsnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.33 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Mar 21 04:40:16 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11471 In article <35129C3B.505A@cdsnet.net>, pdanko@cdsnet.net wrote: > i don't have time to order nails from a beekeeping > supply place. what nails should i pick up at the hardware > store? 8ds? others? how long should they be? > Seems to me that I am using 7D galvanized Ardox (twist) nails. The idea is to cut down on rust and also cut down on nails backing out. > also, can i just use a nail remove/prybar as a hive > tool? or would that be too thick and brutish? the only > ones i see at the hardware store seem to be either thick > 12" ones or thin 7" ones... would either of these work? In a pinch I have used my pocketknife as a "hive tool" - thin is best for some jobs but it needs to be tough as well - made of good steel that can handle some serious prying (which I might add a pocketknife is NOT designed to take). Best wishes with your bee adventure, Jack Griffes Onsted, MI http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "David L Crawford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Go Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:23:56 -0800 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6evf74$o69@chile.earthlink.net> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.37.15.94 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11472 I tried to use it many years ago. After one use I threw it away. It smells like a blend of cat crap and dog vomit. My wife wouldn't let me in bed for two nights. David Crawford jbirt@link2000.net wrote in message <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > Can anyone advise me if the fume pads and bee go work as advertised. > Am keeping a positive attitude and expecting good crop and looking for > a method that is better than blowing or brushing. > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!homer.alpha.net!news.jersey.net!not-for-mail From: ziphead@jersey.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Go Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:10:30 GMT Organization: InterActive Network - Serving S. NJ (609)227-4428 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6f0b57$jio$1@news.jersey.net> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6evf74$o69@chile.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blip206.jersey.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11473 does smell-works good-don`t over do it- "David L Crawford" wrote: >I tried to use it many years ago. After one use I threw it away. It smells >like a blend of cat crap and dog vomit. My wife wouldn't let me in bed for >two nights. >David Crawford >jbirt@link2000.net wrote in message <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >> Can anyone advise me if the fume pads and bee go work as advertised. >> Am keeping a positive attitude and expecting good crop and looking for >> a method that is better than blowing or brushing. >> >>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >>http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How did you winter? Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:55:46 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3513D4F1.F2A25D@valley.net> References: <01bd5218$7643f5e0$b8b772ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-184.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11474 mrnorth wrote: > Northern Beekeepers- have you done any inspections yet? What are your > findings. We appear to have very little loss in Central New York state but > the worst may still be in front of us. It seems like they have been able > to fly alot this winter so the food stores are low and we are feeding but > this may be a good sign compared to the last couple of years. Any comments > will be appreciated. > > dnorth@dreamscape.com greetings, i'm up here in central new Hampshire, and with a foot plus of snow on the ground [and another foot in the forecast this weekend], i haven't been able to do a thorough inspection, yet. temps have not gotten out of the mid-40's at best and have dropped down to the single digits [or lower] at night, even in mid-march, so bee activity is very limited. but, they have been coming out regularly on sunny days to do elimination runs in the early afternoon. the numbers have looked good on these runs throughout the winter. nothing is in bloom, yet, so there's no real activity outside of the 'dumping' runs. i left an extra super on top of the 2 brood deeps in the fall, so i am not too concerned about stores or feeding. yet. when i finally get a chance to do a real inspection, i will report. i'm hoping to be able to do it by next weekend, because i need to get my piston strips in. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!not-for-mail From: "DARRELL" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive lifter and hony super lifter Date: 20 Mar 1998 07:28:27 GMT Organization: Telstra Internet Browse Server Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bd53d1$9c6e8180$246c13cb@master> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.19.108.36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11475 BILLETT EASYLOADER contact us at beeload@om.com.au for more info Darreell Copeman or Karen copeman Article 11476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nails for hive construction, help! Date: 21 Mar 1998 16:03:05 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998032116030501.LAA21837@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6evgb6$9nr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11476 For Christmas, my wife found a miniature prybar, 6 inches longadn 1/2 wide. It looks just like thelarge flat metal ones. It fits in your pocket and will slip into the smallest crack.Not for heavy work though. Article 11477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!amsterdam.news.unisource.nl!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.wxs.nl!not-for-mail From: "John Meeuwsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollination by bees. Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:29:50 +0100 Organization: World Acces Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6ep0b4$gip2@reader3.wxs.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: rt0076.wxs.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11477 Who can tell me about the quantity of flowers bees can visit in one day? Article 11478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.118.244.209!newsfeed-inn.meganews.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Danko Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nails for hive construction, THANKS Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:35:40 -0800 Organization: MegaNews! Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3513FA6C.2ADF@cdsnet.net> References: <35129C3B.505A@cdsnet.net> <01bd54af$3f2bffa0$196dafce@default> Reply-To: pdanko@cdsnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: d01a8111.dip.cdsnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11478 Great, your suggestions have been very helpful! Thanks! Article 11479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.118.244.209!newsfeed-inn.meganews.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Danko Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The wood preservative question Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:47:43 -0800 Organization: MegaNews! Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> Reply-To: pdanko@cdsnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: d01a8111.dip.cdsnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11479 I am building my first two hives ever, this weekend, and have been reading this group for some time - I saved many postings. Unfortunately, my computer was completely wiped out this week. I lost everything, all of my work, all of the saved postings. I am writing this from my husband's computer because mine is still coming back up to speed. Anyway, I need to know about wood preservative. I know that I should dip the outer hive components. But with what? I have a can of "JASCO" wood preservative, with copper napthenate, which has a blurb on the label saying that it kills termites and wood eating insects. Does this include bees? I know that they like to chew... I don't want to kill them! If the JASCO is no good, can anyone suggest brand names, so I can shop for this with a bit more confidence? Thanks for all of the help so far, I really appreciate it! Cheers, Rebecca (in southern Oregon) please reply to the newsgroup Article 11480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!metro.atlanta.com!not-for-mail From: purcell@atlanta.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Equipment in Atlanta, GA Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:46:40 GMT Organization: Internet Atlanta Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3513f96e.2622277@nntp.atlanta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 155.229.7.176 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11480 The following items for sale for pickup at my home in Atlanta Georgia. All prices negotiable. Will sell separately or take it all. 7 bottom boards $4.00 ea 7 inner covers (not sure how many are actually usable) $1.00 ea 7 outer covers $5.00 ea 14 deep hive bodies $9.00 ea 24 medium depth hive bodies $6.00 ea 20 shallow hive bodies $5.00 ea 20 round comb inserts $5.00 ea 10 double screens (used to make double queen hives) $2.00 ea 12 wood bound queen excluders $3.00 ea 16 metal frame queen excluders $3.00 ea 5 top feeders (size of shallow super) $5.00 ea Take everything for $400.00. Equipment has been unused for 7 years. There are no frames and no wax. Medium depth supers have metal spacers for 9 frames. Michael Purcell 365 Glenwood Ave. SE (one mile from Turner Field in Grant Park) (404) 524-8620 evening and weekend (404) 815-1080 daytime purcell@atlanta.com + Thomas Purcell purcell@atlanta.com Article 11481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.32.155.1!agate!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.ulak.net.tr!news.bilkent.edu.tr!afyon!yyilmaz From: *Yalovali* yasin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollens Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:29:06 +0200 Organization: Bilkent University Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: afyon.ug.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: yyilmaz@afyon Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11481 This year hopefully I will try to collect pollen from my 11 hives (for the first time :) Is there a place i can find more information about procudures for collecting & preparing pollen ??? Thanks yalovali yasin "CS-junior" Article 11482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:00:39 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35140047.27BE@juno.com> References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 15818@205.216.79.225 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11482 as far as i know, copper naphthanate is the only recommended wood preservative available through bee supply houses, sometimes by the name of "coppertox"(check with glorubee in eugene)...i agree, it need only be used on exterior surfaces, as the bees do a pretty good job of varnishing the inside with propolis. Article 11483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Illinois - 190+ Acre Farm Date: 21 Mar 1998 21:18:28 GMT Organization: a Digital Internet AlphaServer Site Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd550e$812c2920$84ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp02-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11483 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. Call 618-826-3300 colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 11484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3512A92F.786E2D06@foxinternet.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:36:48 -0800 From: Daniel Kiehnle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: pdanko@cdsnet.net Subject: Re: nails for hive construction, help! References: <35129C3B.505A@cdsnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.8.211.158 Lines: 21 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.prostar.com!208.8.211.158 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11484 Rebecca, You should use galvanized nails, 8d ought to be fine. Prime and paint the boxes with exterior flat latex paint, and since you're in Oregon, use a darker color like we do here in Washington. Mine are a medium blue, others are green. Fortunately for me, I can take my boxes in to work and do repairs on them in our carpenter shop. Sure is simple to use a staple gun to put frames together instead of nails! My hive tool is 9 1/2 inches long and 1 1/2 inches wide. It's about 1/8th inch wide and is curved at one end, straight at the other. That's the basic hive tool. It's sold in hardware stores for use as a small pry bar/ nail remover/ scraper. You may also buy one of the newer fancy hive tools at a bee supply store, but I don't care for them myself, the old style is more versatile in my opinion. Good luck to you with your bees, keep your mite medication on when you're supposed to, and you ought to have lots of fun with the bees. They're fascinating critters. I've had bees since 1979 and still love to sit and watch them. Dan Kiehnle Article 11485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Southern Illinois - 190+ Acre Farm Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:28:36 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 1 Message-ID: <35143104.17A1@juno.com> References: <01bd550e$812c2920$84ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 26469@205.216.79.175 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11485 where's the bees? Article 11486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.ctcreuna.cl!not-for-mail From: "ARTURO MARIN" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: organic beekeeping Date: 20 Mar 1998 03:10:49 GMT Organization: CLIENTE Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: infovia116.ctc-mundo.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11486 I need information about organic beekeeping,to produce natural honey for my family. Thanks Arturo Article 11487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how cold? Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:57:18 -0800 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <351445CD.5AAB860F@calwest.net> References: <01bd536b$c24bde40$2ad4d5d0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc9-22-38.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11487 > I just received some queens in the mail at the time I got them out of the > mailbox it was 47 degrees hard telling how cold it got in the mail truck the > night before. > What is the temerature that the queen will be affected? It was 70 the day I > ordered the queens. Most queen loss in the US mail is due to over heating. ttul, the OLd Drone http://209.76.50.54 for latest BEENEWS from beenet.com. Article 11488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic beekeeping Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:42:45 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net> References: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp41.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11488 In article <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default>, "ARTURO MARIN" wrote: >I need information about organic beekeeping,to produce natural honey for my >family. >Thanks >Arturo Top bar hives are the easiest and the honey is the purest and you don't need pesticides. http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/index.htm Article 11489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:40:27 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6f24ne$1q5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> <35140047.27BE@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Mar 22 04:40:27 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11489 In article <35140047.27BE@juno.com>, tomas mozer wrote: > > as far as i know, copper naphthanate is the only recommended wood > preservative available through bee supply houses, sometimes by the name > of "coppertox" . . . Coppertox is the trademarked name of a specific hoof treatment - designed to kill the anerobic bacterium involved in Thrush (a hoof disease which essentially eats up the frog in horse hooves). I doubt it would be cost effective to use it for a purpose other than the labelled use as it ain't cheap. Other copper napthanate solutions designed for wood preservative purposes would be more economical by far. As Tomas noted you can purchase them via bee supply sources. Best wishes, Jack Griffes Onsted, MI http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nails for hive construction, help! Date: 21 Mar 1998 09:55:02 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bd54af$3f2bffa0$196dafce@default> References: <35129C3B.505A@cdsnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn110-025.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11490 Hello Pete, I use Stormguard decking nails, and while you're at the hardware store look in the paint dpt. where Tru-temper sells a "paint scraper" thats a hive tool. Good luck and welcome. -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach Honey Company > i don't have time to order nails from a beekeeping > supply place. what nails should i pick up at the hardware > store? 8ds? others? how long should they be? Article 11491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Gary L. Bradshaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic beekeeping Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:22:59 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6f277g$fpd@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.157.87 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11491 Never yet have I heard of a top bar hive killing a varroa mite! gbees@worldnet.att.net Peter Amschel wrote in message <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net>... >In article <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default>, "ARTURO MARIN" wrote: >>I need information about organic beekeeping,to produce natural honey for my >>family. >>Thanks >>Arturo > >Top bar hives are the easiest and the honey is the purest and you don't need >pesticides. > >http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm > >http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/index.htm > Article 11492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Date: 22 Mar 1998 10:24:41 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bd557c$7f2552a0$0a64afce@default> References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn92-010.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11492 I use JASCO " Termin-8 " 8% copper napthenate, but after reading some book ( don't remember which one ) where they say use 3% for beehives, I mix 1 part JASCO and 2 parts mineral spirits. I let the unassembled boxes stand in a pail with an inch or so in the bottom while I nail the ones I just took out of the pail together ( after drip-dry ). When Im done nailing all them together, I stack them up and paint the outside with a barn brush. Ernie > I have a can of "JASCO" wood preservative, with > copper napthenate, which has a blurb on the label saying > that it kills termites and wood eating insects. Article 11493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!europa.clark.net!203.216.4.6!newsfeed.gol.com!news-tokyo.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-hk.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-sydn.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.magna.com.au!not-for-mail From: emu@mailcity.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Australian amateur beekeeper visiting Vegas, Seattle & Klamath Falls Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:02:57 GMT Organization: Magna Data - Internet Solutions Provider Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3514fca2.41448460@news.magna.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: saccess-03-069.magna.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11493 I am an amateur beekeeper from Sydney Australia and will be in Tulsa, Vegas, Seattle and Klamath Falls next month.. Are there any amateur groups that have meetings or fielddays in these areas, would love to drop by and have a chat.. Bob Article 11494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.isdnet.net!usenet From: Laure AUBERT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: expo: HISTOIRE DE L'APICULTURE TRADITIONNELLE dans les Alpes-Maritimes Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:18:13 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35142E95.25F7@hol.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: sophia-16.hol.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E [fr]-HAVAS1 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11494 UN APERCU HISTORIQUE DE L'APICULTURE Exposition présentée en partenariat avec le Conseil Général des Alpes-Maritimes dans le cadre de sa politique culturelle du 15 Mars au 30 Avril 1998. Inauguration de l'exposition le Jeudi 2 Avril 1998 à 18h30, CAUE 26 Quai Lunel, 06300 Nice. Le CAUE des Alpes-Maritimes organise des visites commentées par M.Luigi Nino MASETTI (conservateur du Musée des Traditions Apicoles de La Brigue). Pour prendre rendez-vous: tél 04 92 00 38 38 du Lundi au Vendredi(9h-12h 14h-17h) Article 11495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic beekeeping Date: 22 Mar 1998 17:20:11 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6f3h8b$2gc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.100.198 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11495 You don't need pesticides in a standard hive either (I assume you are referring to miticides). But please explain how the hive configuration determines the purity of the honey and why a mite would avoid TBH,s. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Peter Amschel wrote in article <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net>... > In article <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default>, "ARTURO MARIN" wrote: > >I need information about organic beekeeping,to produce natural honey for my > >family. > >Thanks > >Arturo > > Top bar hives are the easiest and the honey is the purest and you don't need > pesticides. > > http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/index.htm > > Article 11496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollens Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:46:40 -0800 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 28 Message-ID: <35154E7F.88E37CAC@teleport.com> References: Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: eug01-pm3-04.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: *Yalovali* yasin Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11496 Hello, A friend of mine gave me this suggestion for cleaning pollen. Take all the pollen from your collectors and pour between buckets in front of a fan. Store the pollen in your deep freeze to kill off any waxworm eggs. When you have enough stored up, repeat the fan process to finish the cleaning. Paul *Yalovali* yasin wrote: > This year hopefully I will try to collect pollen from my 11 hives (for the > first time :) > > Is there a place i can find more information about procudures for > collecting & preparing pollen ??? > > Thanks > > > > yalovali yasin > "CS-junior" Article 11497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6ep0b4$gip2@reader3.wxs.nl> Subject: Re: Pollination by bees. Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:44:52 -0000 Lines: 51 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-203.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35127c27.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-203.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11497 John Meeuwsen wrote in message <6ep0b4$gip2@reader3.wxs.nl>... >Who can tell me about the quantity of flowers bees can visit in one day? > > In one test; 6 bees collected 20ml of sugar syrup, in 3hrs.15mins. (This gives a rough indication of the rate/quantity of collection. Nothing else. The test actually used radio-active syrup in order to estimate how fast freshly collected nectar is distributed amongst bees and brood, in the hive) If you knew the exact quantitiy of nectar per blossom, could calculate approximate number of flowers visited, but (I think) you would have to make assumptions about how much the bee is actually carrying. However;- If there is a heavy nectar flow, fewer blossoms will need to be visited. Conversely, low nectar flows, say in particularly dry weather conditions means more flowers need to be visited, to collect the same amount. Bees rarely carry their 'full capacity'of nectar. A 'full' bee could carry about 100 mg of nectar, but the majority usually only carry 75-80% of this amount. If the flowers are nearby, more trips can be made, therefore more visits. The 'Busy Bee' is something of a myth. When you are examining your hive, pause and take a look at the bees themselves. It is surprising just how many of the bees are not actually doing anything. I know this is 'anthropomorphosism', but, like people, maybe some are hard-working, while others are lazy. Of course, I have assumed bees are collecting nectar, and have ignored pollen..................... There may be research which answers your question, indeed I hope there is, but my point above is that there are so many 'variables' that it must be very difficult, if not impossible to give an accurate answer to this question. I would be very happy indeed if someone out there proves me to be completely wrong on this, as I would like to know myself. I guess the best answer to your question is "It depends!". I apologize for being little or no help on this, but I have this morning looked in about 8 different (very good) books on beekeeping, and a couple of www sites, and cannot find any accurate information on this. Perhaps you could devise some kind of experiment yourself which would give a better idea? Kidney John KJ@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Remove to reply "Tenax et Fidelis" Article 11498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Infants & Honey Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:39:11 -0800 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <35155ACE.415B611@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc10-22-124.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11498 At 10:01 AM 3/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >can someone tell me if this is true.. you shouldn't give honey to small >children?? i would like to know? Yes it is true....remembering that mothers have fed small amounts of honey to infants for thousands of years and that the reason it no longer is approved is because one over zealous California bureaucrat in the health department who used the court's to force the issue on a small industry by any standards that did not have the resources to defend itself from the power of the government. The facts are that if you leave a open container of honey or any other high sugar food in your home it will pick up dust that can be harmful to your infant. It is also a fact that sooner or latter your infant must be exposed to these same things to live a normal life. Information on this subject is at: http://www.honey.com/info/tummy.html For more information ask your doctor. ttul, the OLd Drone BEE KEEPING NEWS http://209.76.50.54 Article 11499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: ronbonzoX@webtv.net (Dave O'Donnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equip. for sale Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:05:25 -0600 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6f3ndl$eed$1@newsd-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <6ergk7$4tg$1@camel18.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11499 Why are you getting out? Please remove X in E-mail address to reply. Article 11500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "usaconnected" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS Bee equip. N.E. Ohio Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:47:34 -0800 Organization: usaconnected Lines: 276 Message-ID: <6f4enb$v2d$1@camel29.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-207-205-186-195.clev.grid.net X-Server-Date: 23 Mar 1998 01:43:07 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11500 Heres the list with prices, begin 666 honey short form.htm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eferences: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net> <6f3h8b$2gc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp05.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11501 In article <6f3h8b$2gc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: >You don't need pesticides in a standard hive either (I assume you are >referring to miticides). But please explain how the hive configuration >determines the purity of the honey and why a mite would avoid TBH,s. The mites can get in to a top bar hive alright, but the bees have total access to one another in a top bar hive so they can constantly examine one another and easily snatch the mites off one another and kill them whereas inside those nazi Langstroth hives there are 10 foundation screens separating the bees from one another. Furthermore, the artificially narrow beespace between the combs in the nazi Langstroth type hive keeps the bees from balling up on one another so it is hard for them to tend to one another. Bees like to pick mites off one another, in case you didn't know that, just like monkeys like to pick unwelcome insect visitors off one another and eat them. The honey in a TBH is more pure than Langstroth frame honey because it is not mixed with honey extracted from many different hives nor is it obtained from who knows how many different apiculturists. It is known that some beekeepers whose honey is combined with all the other beekeepers' honey have been feeding their bees with something other than nectar. In a TBH perfect chunks of white virgin comb is cut away and eaten directly. The bite of comb starts to melt immediately in the mouth since the honey in it is liquid at room temperature. Later the apiculturist bites deeper into the comb and squeezes the honey out of the caps into his mouth. The wax melts at 140 degrees so the wax is left remaining in the mouth after the honey is consumed. If the apiculturist wants to accumulate liquid honey from the perfect comb he can squeeze it through sterile pantyhose to separate it from the comb. Article 11502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic beekeeping Date: 23 Mar 1998 04:58:56 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 82 Message-ID: <6f4q6g$3u@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net> <6f3h8b$2gc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6f4jn7$n79$1@victoria.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.100.28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11502 Peter; I admire your enthusiasm for the TBH but I think you need a reality check. Please don't take this as a flame because that is certainly not my intention. Let's just have some fun with the thread and some honest debate. > The mites can get in to a top bar hive alright, but the bees have > total access to one another in a top bar hive so they can constantly examine > one another and easily snatch the mites off one another and kill them whereas > inside those nazi Langstroth hives there are 10 foundation screens separating > the bees from one another. Furthermore, the artificially narrow beespace > between the combs in the nazi Langstroth type hive keeps the bees from balling > up on one another so it is hard for them to tend to one another. Bees like to > pick mites off one another, in case you didn't know that, just like monkeys > like to pick unwelcome insect visitors off one another and eat them. Langstroth designed his hive about 80 years before there were Nazis. Most use 9 frames, not 10. Bees came up with the design of the bee space long before man existed, Langstroth only observed it and used it to revolutionize commercial beekeeping. If this is the bee's design, how is it artificial? Comb in TBH is also parrallel but front-to-back instead of side-to-side so I don't see how they are any less separated. Congratulations on your discovery of a European HB that exhibits this grooming behavior. Will you share it with the rest of us so we can throw our Apistan strips away? Do they also uncap the drone brood, groom them and then seal them back up? > The honey in a TBH is more pure than Langstroth frame honey because it > is not mixed with honey extracted from many different hives nor is it obtained > from who knows how many different apiculturists. It is known that some > beekeepers whose honey is combined with all the other beekeepers' honey have > been feeding their bees with something other than nectar. In a TBH perfect > chunks of white virgin comb is cut away and eaten directly. The bite of comb > starts to melt immediately in the mouth since the honey in it is liquid at > room temperature. Later the apiculturist bites deeper into the comb and > squeezes the honey out of the caps into his mouth. The wax melts at 140 > degrees so the wax is left remaining in the mouth after the honey is consumed. > If the apiculturist wants to accumulate liquid honey from the perfect comb he > can squeeze it through sterile pantyhose to separate it from the comb. Blending honey does not make it any less pure (well, OK you don't want to blend it with gasoline). There is some pretty bad single malt scotch available so blending is not always a bad thing. I do have to agree with you on your point about not knowing the origins of commercially co-op produced honey, but this is because of the process of getting the crop to market, not as a result of the hive design. I keep only 2 hives and I know what kind of nectar is coming in and from where and with proper notekeeping I know what each super contains when I harvest it. Whether I choose to make it "unpure" by blending it is my choice. I can also produce fine, white, edible honeycomb in a Langstroth by using just a starter strip of foundation, similar to "seeding" a TBH. To the bees it is just a wooden box and they don't care diddly about facism. Ok group, fire away! -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Article 11503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net> <6f3h8b$2gc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6f4jn7$n79$1@victoria.pe.net> <6f4q6g$3u@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: organic beekeeping Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:31:52 -0000 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-219.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35161e0e.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-219.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11503 >To the bees it is just a wooden box and they don't care diddly about >facism. Ok group, fire away! >-- >Geo >Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! I'd go one step further, and say 'to the bees, it's just a hole in a tree'.... Bees can be kept in hollow logs, skep, bee boles, and even cardboard boxes; and still give 'pure' honey/comb honey. Kidney John kj@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Stop paying attention to what I write. I'm not used to it. Next thing I know, people will actually be listening to me when I talk to them. I don't think I could cope with that. Article 11504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35155ACE.415B611@calwest.net> Subject: Re: Infants & Honey Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 07:37:26 -0000 Lines: 38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-219.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35161e0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-219.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11504 > >The facts are that if you leave a open container of honey or any other >high sugar food in your home it will pick up dust that can be harmful to >your infant. It is also a fact that sooner or latter your infant must be >exposed to these same things to live a normal life. > >Information on this subject is at: > >http://www.honey.com/info/tummy.html > >For more information ask your doctor. > >ttul, the OLd Drone > >BEE KEEPING NEWS >http://209.76.50.54 > > > What can there possibly be in honey which is harmful to infants? The sugar may be harmful to teeth, in the same way sugary drinks are, but this is only when they are over-indulged by their parents. Lately the warning 'unsuitable for infants under 12 months' has been appearing on commercial honey labels. Surely it's better than all the 'artificial' garbage on the market? When did a few trace elements, a pinch of vitamins, and a scrap of pure plant protein constitute a health hazard? Is this another case of over-zealous health police? I think we should be told!........... Kidney John kj@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Stop paying attention to what I write. I'm not used to it. Next thing I know, people will actually be listening to me when I talk to them. I don't think I could cope with that. Article 11505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic beekeeping Date: 23 Mar 1998 09:58:14 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 2 Message-ID: <01bd5642$0e1c2e00$026bafce@default> References: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net> <6f3h8b$2gc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6f4jn7$n79$1@victoria.pe.net> <6f4q6g$3u@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn106-002.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11505 I second the single malt remark...ernie Article 11506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infants & Honey Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:10:33 -0800 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3516CFC9.FB5E64B0@calwest.net> References: <35155ACE.415B611@calwest.net> <35161e0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc3-20-182.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11506 Kidney John wrote: > >The facts are that if you leave a open container of honey or any other > >high sugar food in your home it will pick up dust that can be harmful > > Information on this subject is at: > http://www.honey.com/info/tummy.html > > What can there possibly be in honey which is harmful to infants? I agree with you, but the answer to your question is at the above url. > Lately the warning 'unsuitable for infants under 12 months' has been > appearing on > commercial honey labels It is one way to limit the honey packers liability. As far as I know this in not required in the USA. > . Surely it's better than all the 'artificial' garbage on the market? Its is NO different than any other product that is mostly sugars, but they were not the one's who were taken to court to answer to a natural condition that has been part of human life since day one. > Is this another case of over-zealous health police? Yes, and you can avoid the problem by not packing honey in the litigious USA. > I think we should > be told!......... I agree, but much has been said as this is a old case in the USA courts that maybe in your area honey packers are just now getting around to having new labels, not required in the USA as far as I know. What was agreed to is to distribute pamphlets to doctors to be given to new mothers outlining the dangers of feeding infants honey.. If you have information that the law is different in the UK, and it sure could be, please post it. ttul, the Old Drone http://209.76.50.54 Article 11507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!ais.net!newsfeed.wli.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: splitting hives Date: 23 Mar 1998 21:44:50 GMT Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 1 Message-ID: <6f6l4i$llv$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-98-208.iafrica.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11507 Article 11508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: sticky solution & Pollen Message-ID: <890689822@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:50:22 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Lines: 48 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11508 On Mar 23, 1998 10:57am, PRW3@YORK.AC.UK wrote to ALL: Hello Paul, P> I am a bit of a beginner here so please excuse an ignorance that I show. P> I fed both my hives last Autumn with sugar solution ready for the Winter; P> (As it has turned out we don't seem to have had much of a Winter here in P> Yorkshire U.K. so I reckon that I could have saved myself the trouble)... P> Anyway this weekend I noticed a sticky solution that was running out of P> the entrance of the smaller of my two hives. It had a kind of vinegar-ish P> kind of smell. Will it be some of the suger solution that has fermented P> in the hive? Should I worry? Why do you think that it has effected only P> one hive? I will not be able to open the hive-up to have a look for P> another fortnight, do you think that this will be alright until then, and P> will I be faced with a mighty problem when I get in there... This might not be to serious because of the mild weather (bees can fly) but might have been avoided if you had added thymol crystals to your syrup feed this would help stop the fermentation process, I personally always add a few twigs of thyme to the heated water/sugar mix when mixing together smells nice and seems to have the same effect (I know this isn't scientific). The Autumn feed should be approximate 1pint of water to each bag of sugar this is unlikely to ferment in capped cells in my experience keeping bees in London/Kent. P> I have also noticed all sorts of different coloured pollens being carried P> back by the workers, is there any simple pollen guides to be had P> anywhere, I am just curious to see what it is they are collecting. I can recommend an excellent publication by Ibra called "A colour guide to pollen loads of the honey bee" by William Kirk which is expensive but worth the money because of the colour printing quality. P> Also this Sunday I found a drone outside one of the hives, seems a bit P> early for them to be about? Some hives seem to keep a few drones over the winter/ or your season has started early. You might have a Queenless stock with drone laying workers but this is unlikely at this time. Regards Steve STEVEN TURNER G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee. http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~beeman/ Email: beeman@dircon.co.uk ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 11509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!xfer.kren.ne.kr!xfer.kren.nm.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "ann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Equipment wanted: Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:05:04 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6f6mk0$olp$1@ins8.netins.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: crdn-01-24.dialup.netins.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11509 Hello, I am in honey production and packing in Southern Iowa.I am in the market to purchase: 1. A Kelly 80 gal double boiler with stainless steel cover, 2. A 30 gal vertical cone bottom tank, approx 20"x 24" with stand and hinged over, and 1" bottom outlet. FDA approved polythelene, 3. A NSPG -050 mixer, 1/2 hp, 110 VAC, 'C' clamp mfg, 9" dia propellor with add. var speed drive, 4. An Api-electronic Automatic Honey Packer. These are distributed new by Maxant Industries. Please how do I get on the Canadian Beekeeping mail list for the newsletter? Ann Garber e-mail: logchain@netins.net phone: 515-872-2119 fax: 515-872-1424 300 West Marion St Corydon, Iowa 50060 Article 11510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tin.it!news From: hatfield Newsgroups: alt.agriculture,alt.agriculture.beef,alt.agriculture.fruit,alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Coopper oxychloride Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:53:46 +0100 Organization: free trade network Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3515A489.AD581C48@FT-N.COM> References: <01bd4e99$44a26c60$db4d7cc1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: brindisi3-29.tin.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: Direktor X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture:1176 alt.agriculture.beef:1015 alt.agriculture.fruit:7709 alt.agriculture.misc:9956 sci.agriculture:24694 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11510 sci.agriculture.fruit:1570 sci.agriculture.poultry:4850 sci.agriculture.ratites:1195 D sirs, Take a look at "www.ft-n.com" and place your business message at the first and only european site dedicated to fruit, produce, transportation, and food-food-non-food on real time basis. 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Awaiting your reply, Free Trade Network web@ft-n.com Article 11511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: bill greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic beekeeping Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:20:15 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35170A4E.EE565D67@valley.net> References: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> <6f1mmt$fi0$3@magnolia.pe.net> <6f3h8b$2gc@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6f4jn7$n79$1@victoria.pe.net> <6f4q6g$3u@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-185.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: George Styer Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11511 George Styer wrote: > Peter; > > I admire your enthusiasm for the TBH but I think you need a reality check. > Please don't take this as a flame because that is certainly not my > intention. Let's just have some fun with the thread and some honest debate. > > > > I can also produce fine, white, edible honeycomb in a Langstroth by using > just a starter strip of foundation, similar to "seeding" a TBH. > > To the bees it is just a wooden box and they don't care diddly about > facism. Ok group, fire away! > -- > Geo > Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! well, george, there's not much to fire at, seeing as you hit the salient points. however, i did ask my bees [who live in a D.E. hive (modified langstroth]], and they assured me that their honey is organic, originating from the orifices of organized organisms. also, they said that, while there are some skinhead nazi honeybees around, they are practicing zen neo-nihilists. reformed, of course. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emph.com!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sticky solution & Pollen Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:53:40 +0000 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Message-ID: <0acnnAAUtlF1EwzA@emph.com> References: <6f5f7b$r7m$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11512 In article <6f5f7b$r7m$1@pump1.york.ac.uk>, Paul Waites writes >Hi all, > >I am a bit of a beginner here so please excuse an ignorance that I show. >I fed both my hives last Autumn with sugar solution ready for the Winter; >(As it has turned out we don't seem to have had much of a Winter here in >Yorkshire U.K. so I reckon that I could have saved myself the trouble)... Actually, the reverse is probably true. A good, hard winter reduces the activity of the bees, and correspondingly lowers honey consumption. >Anyway this weekend I noticed a sticky solution that was running out of >the entrance of the smaller of my two hives. It had a kind of vinegar-ish >kind of smell. Will it be some of the suger solution that has fermented >in the hive? Possibly - what propostion of sugar to water did you use? > Should I worry? I would take a look in at the next opportunity. > Why do you think that it has effected only >one hive? I will not be able to open the hive-up to have a look for >another fortnight, do you think that this will be alright until then, and >will I be faced with a mighty problem when I get in there... Lok as soon as possible. > >I have also noticed all sorts of different coloured pollens being carried >back by the workers, is there any simple pollen guides to be had >anywhere, I am just curious to see what it is they are collecting. Yes - contact Thornes - they are on the web. > >Also this Sunday I found a drone outside one of the hives, seems a bit >early for them to be about? Bees are predictably unpredictable. On a more general note, Paul, have you joined a local bee-keepers' association? When my wife and I started bee-keeping some five years ago, we found the advice and practical help invaluable. There are many benefit, including contacts for equipment, colonies, etc.etc. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.emph.com/beehome Article 11513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!newsfeed.gte.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.flash.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Problem Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:16:02 -0800 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6f756p$bms$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.75.118 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11513 This is my second year in bee keeping, in one of my hive of bees they just get in a big bunch, looks like they are crawling into the holes on the drawn cone. They are on the brood and not moving like they are dead. I have a feeder on the hive. Could it be they are starving or the cold is a problem not to many in the hive just two or three frames or could it be some kind of disease. Brood looks ok. Article 11514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!supernews.xara.net!xara.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kel Landrith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infants & Honey Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:02:45 -0600 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3517D925.CBEDF276@telepath.com> References: <35155ACE.415B611@calwest.net> <35161e0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1915@205.228.192.183 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11514 Kidney John wrote: > What can there possibly be in honey which is harmful to infants? The > sugar may be harmful to teeth, in the same way sugary drinks are, but > this is only when they are over-indulged by their parents. Lately the > warning 'unsuitable for infants under 12 months' has been appearing on > commercial honey labels. Surely it's better than all the 'artificial' > garbage on the market? When did a few trace elements, a pinch of > vitamins, and a scrap of pure plant protein constitute a health hazard? > Is this another case of over-zealous health police? I think we should > be told!........... > My family Pedatatrician (USA Board Cert.) says that small amounts of botulisim spores are endemic to honey. While they pose little threat to adults toddlers and infants lack the complex immune system of adults and are at risk of poisoning. Article 11515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sticky solution & Pollen Date: 23 Mar 1998 10:57:47 GMT Organization: Department of Biology, University of York Lines: 25 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6f5f7b$r7m$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11515 Hi all, I am a bit of a beginner here so please excuse an ignorance that I show. I fed both my hives last Autumn with sugar solution ready for the Winter; (As it has turned out we don't seem to have had much of a Winter here in Yorkshire U.K. so I reckon that I could have saved myself the trouble)... Anyway this weekend I noticed a sticky solution that was running out of the entrance of the smaller of my two hives. It had a kind of vinegar-ish kind of smell. Will it be some of the suger solution that has fermented in the hive? Should I worry? Why do you think that it has effected only one hive? I will not be able to open the hive-up to have a look for another fortnight, do you think that this will be alright until then, and will I be faced with a mighty problem when I get in there... I have also noticed all sorts of different coloured pollens being carried back by the workers, is there any simple pollen guides to be had anywhere, I am just curious to see what it is they are collecting. Also this Sunday I found a drone outside one of the hives, seems a bit early for them to be about? Many thanks for any advice, Paul. Article 11516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: organic beekeeping Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:52:36 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35165B14.E74@juno.com> References: <01bd53ae$90f48200$74221dc8@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 26605@205.216.79.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: ARTURO MARIN Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11516 as you can see from the response to your post, organic beekeeping is quite a controversial topic...there is actually not even agreement on its definition. you might try searching the bee-list archives, where this has been discussed extensively under "organic honey", by going to the internet apiculture and beekeeping site: http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html if you don't have access to the web, try e-mailing a post to the list at: bee-l@cnsibm.albany.edu there is also a spanish lista de apicultura: ldapicultura@iedatos.es you may even want to subscribe to these excellent resources! Article 11517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.150.160.22!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 05:13:43 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <35166007.70B2@juno.com> References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> <35140047.27BE@juno.com> <6f24ne$1q5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 27275@205.216.79.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11517 zinc naphthanate is also listed as a reccommended wood preservative (in morse & hooper encyclopedia of beekeeping)...won't mention any trade names this time (!)...have heard of linseed oil as a natural alternative - any feedback on this? Article 11519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.254.160.3!hihat.mwci.net!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infants & Honey Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:24:42 -0600 Organization: MidWest Communications, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6f6noj$jsa$1@hihat.mwci.net> References: <35155ACE.415B611@calwest.net> <35161e0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-232.dyersville.mwci.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11519 Actually, botulism spores survive in honey and infants are susceptible until their immune systems are up to speed. I've seen doctors suggest anywhere from 6 months to 2 years before a child should be allowed to consume honey. I wonder if the super-heated honey sold by the big packers is heated enough to kill the spores? Article 11520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:55:37 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6f7e7k$vk8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> <35140047.27BE@juno.com> <6f24ne$1q5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.22 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 24 04:55:37 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11520 In article <6f24ne$1q5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > Coppertox is the trademarked name of a specific hoof treatment . . hmmm!! scratching my head now - wondering if perhaps they trademarked Koppertox rather than Coppertox??? At any rate the hoof treatment really ain't cheap. Now how many blooming times have I used that green slop and yet the brain won't tell me decisively if it starts with a K or a C on the bottle - go figure. Sorry for any confusion or misinformation I may have inadvertantly caused or spread. Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NE Ohio Equipment Date: 24 Mar 1998 15:19:31 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998032415193101.KAA12060@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11521 Will the person who has equipment for sale in Ohio please send me the list directly. I could not read the attached file. Need woodenware and may be interested in other items. c21dougb@usaor.com Article 11522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: misabby@aol.com (Misabby) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Go Date: 24 Mar 1998 17:48:28 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998032417482800.MAA29205@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11522 Bee Go works well for us in MN, but the sun needs to be out!. It takes a few minutes on a sunny day for it to work. It works well for us to have several fume boards so that we can give them time to work driving the bees down to the next box as we take honey off. The tempature doesn't seem to matter as much as a sunny day. It works faster if it is a little cooler and the sun is out rather than a warm cloudy day. It also takes less time than blowing the bees. The smell is something else, though!!! ccarlson> > Can anyone advise me if the fume pads and bee go work as advertised. Article 11523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: kejones@ptdcs2.intel.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Safe to re-use Nosema-infected hive? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:24:05 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6f626j$85u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.134.248.18 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 23 16:24:05 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (X11; U; AIX 1) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11523 Well, my overwintered hive has died. I've been suspicious for the last several weeks, because (despite plenty of almost-warm) weather, they've not been doing any flying or pollen-gathering. The front of the hive (as well as the inside) is streaked with feces. I've had them on Fumidil for the last two weeks, but they have not taken any of the syrup. When I opened the hive yesterday, there were maybe only a dozen or so live bees left. My question is, if this is Nosema, is it safe to simply install a new package in this hive if I start them on Fumidil right away? Or do I need to disinfect (or discard) the hive? Thanks for any advice, Kelly Hillsboro, OR -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!mr.net!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.supernet.net!news.cyberport.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:59:11 -0700 Organization: CyberPort Station Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6f977r$lrj$1@macaw.cyberport.com> References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> <35140047.27BE@juno.com> <6f24ne$1q5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35166007.70B2@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host24.citizens-bank-nm.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11524 I use a mixture of linseed oil and parafin wax heated to just below boiling to dip boxes in, works very well and last a very long time. Another beekeeper I know uses the above but also adds a bit of Thompsons Waterseal to the pot. Either mix is very effective...that being said, realize that we are in sunny, low humidity New Mexico so we are not exactly dealing with damp rot conditions . I have woodware that is still in very good condition that is at least 50 years old. Patrick M. O'Hearn Bears Choice Honey Bloomfield, NM tomas mozer wrote in message <35166007.70B2@juno.com>... >zinc naphthanate is also listed as a reccommended wood preservative (in morse & hooper >encyclopedia of beekeeping)...won't mention any trade names this time (!)...have heard >of linseed oil as a natural alternative - any feedback on this? Article 11525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: TIMUS@SAQNET.CO.UK (Tim) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: GETTING STARTED UK Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:15:02 -0000 Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.2.132.52 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!backpost.satin.net!news.saqnet.co.uk!195.2.132.52 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11525 I am desparate to get started in this exiting hobby however even though I have read loads of books I know I really still "know" very little . what I would ask is for someone to lead me through the process of setting up, on-line. this may be dificult but I really want to get started this season. I am at present writing to local fruit farmers asking if it would be possible to put a hive in one of their orchards. I plan to buy a hive and some bees as soon as I have a suitable site. I seem impatient ? well I am as I have been planning since last year. I need to get started will anybody help? I am based in the county of cambridgeshire just outside peterborough (UK) Regards Tim. Article 11526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:50:54 -0600 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 33 Message-ID: <35182ABC.3C100D8A@starpoint.net> References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> <35140047.27BE@juno.com> <6f24ne$1q5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35166007.70B2@juno.com> <6f977r$lrj$1@macaw.cyberport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11526 Hi Patrick, This sounds very interesting to me, could you share your method of treatment. What type of pot do you use and is there a danger of fire, is parafin heated to high temps flamable? I also read that this permeates into the wood and works well to kill AFB at the higher temperature of 350 degrees. I puchased a lot of used equipment and was considering using this method, but thought I would have to use a pot with fire brick lined on the outside. What do you think Elroy patrick@cyberport.com wrote: > I use a mixture of linseed oil and parafin wax heated to just below boiling > to dip boxes in, works very well and last a very long time. Another > beekeeper I know uses the above but also adds a bit of Thompsons Waterseal > to the pot. Either mix is very effective...that being said, realize that we > are in sunny, low humidity New Mexico so we are not exactly dealing with > damp rot conditions . I have woodware that is still in very good > condition that is at least 50 years old. > Patrick M. O'Hearn > Bears Choice Honey > Bloomfield, NM > > tomas mozer wrote in message <35166007.70B2@juno.com>... > >zinc naphthanate is also listed as a reccommended wood preservative (in > morse & hooper > >encyclopedia of beekeeping)...won't mention any trade names this time > (!)...have heard > >of linseed oil as a natural alternative - any feedback on this? Article 11527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infants & Honey Date: 24 Mar 1998 21:08:30 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998032421083000.QAA10380@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6f6noj$jsa$1@hihat.mwci.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11527 This is a little off the topic, but does this entire thing about honey and botulism sound kinda like what the beef producers are going through with the entire Oprah thing to anyone else? Having trained in research methods, and suggestion formulation (Certified Hypnotherapist), it appears as though when the information was first published, there was not enough data to scientifically support their position of honey being one of the causes of botulism in infants. If anyone knows what the correlational data was, I would be interested in seeing this information. (btw...corrolational data only means that there is a strong connection between two sources, there is also a strong corrolation between anything and everything which you would like to prove is specifically related to another item) Also, the specific research conducted to reach this conclusion...wouldn't this be considered unethical practice to give children botulism on purpose??? (YES) Hope that this get's ya thinking! Monica M. Piechowski CH.t. ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 11528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: Andy Nachbaur Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infants & Honey Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:18:02 -0800 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <35183F29.1C05978E@calwest.net> References: <35155ACE.415B611@calwest.net> <35161e0f.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <3517D925.CBEDF276@telepath.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc7-21-165.thegrid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11528 Kel Landrith wrote: > My family Pedatatrician (USA Board Cert.) says that small amounts of > botulisim spores are endemic to honey. While they pose little threat to > adults toddlers and infants lack the complex immune system of adults and > are at risk of poisoning He is 100% right, but all infants must ingest these spores sooner or later to live a normal life span. Also botulism spores are NO more endemic in honey then any other food that is open and exposed to the air. I recall no information that shows that any un opened honey that has been processed by any commercial packer in the US contains any botulism spores, can't say that about the local natural organic honey as it normally has not been heated and filtered as the commercial package. But to be safe I would NOT feed honey to infants, no sugar tit for this generation. Lucky for all of us in the industry infants never were a big market for honey anyway and most mother and fathers learn fast that unless you like changing messy diapers stay away from honey in your infants food. Let em get their botulism from Karo syrup, or any of the baby food or drinks with sugar added...all one has to do is open the jar and expose it to the normal dust in the environment all of us live in. ttull, the OLd Drone BEENEWS changes daily (well almost) http://209.76.50.54 Article 11529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:56:25 -0800 From: M Tibbs Organization: BioStore International X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Midnite bees? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: lanc00-00.ca.qnet.com Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!newsfeed.qnet.com!news.qnet.com!lanc00-00.ca.qnet.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11529 Greetings, I heard that midnite bees are gentle, as I may be keeping a hive near neighbors, I want gentle bees. Can someone e-mail me with pros and cons of these and maybey a web site which has info on them? Thanks abundle -Wes Article 11530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED UK Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:38:55 -0000 Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-226.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <351847dc.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-226.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11530 Tim wrote in message ... (Opinion only!) Get some experience before you put hives to farmers crops. They are likely to spray all kinds of 'gook' on their fruit, and may be too busy to let you know they are spraying. Try setting up in your own back garden. It's much more convenient, and as a 'starter' you will be tempted to look at them at every opportunity, which is fine, as you are learning all the time. If there are a few other gardens around you, and trees, your bees should find plenty of pollen and nectar. A discrete corner, with some sunlight, should do fine. Tell the kids to keep a few feet from it, and pets will soon learn, even if they are curious to start with! Also, I am sure if you post any questions here at any time, you will get more helpful answers than you could possibly cope with. (It's the 'nature of the beast', of beekeepers..........they just love to tell you stuff (and anyone who'll listen)!!!!!!!) Kidney John kj@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Stop paying attention to what I write. I'm not used to it. Next thing I know, people will actually be listening to me when I talk to them. I don't think I could cope with that. Article 11531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.latrobe.edu.au!not-for-mail From: mickf@lure.latrobe.edu.au (Kath) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: American foul brood Date: 24 Mar 1998 23:56:50 GMT Organization: School of Microbiology - LTU Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6f9h82$8lr$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.micro.latrobe.edu.au X-Newsreader: InterNews 2.0@donald.micro.latrobe.edu.au[U] XDisclaimer: User not authenticated Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11531 Can anyone help? Once foul brood has appeared in an apiary (indoors or out) how can you rid yourself of it? What is the current accepted method for detecting/identifying Bacillus larvae? Thanks Kath Article 11532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!news.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infants & Honey Date: 24 Mar 1998 23:24:57 GMT Organization: Dreamscape Online Lines: 40 Message-ID: <01bd577c$170c86a0$4b13c6cf@default> References: <35155ACE.415B611@calwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sa3-p11.dreamscape.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11532 This is true for infants under the age of 1 due to a spore that is similar to botchilism. Childern under the age of 1 do not have the necessary imune system to combat this problem. I know of no problems with childern over the age of 1. Ask you Dr. Andy Nachbaur wrote in article <35155ACE.415B611@calwest.net>... > At 10:01 AM 3/22/98 -0800, you wrote: > > >can someone tell me if this is true.. you shouldn't give honey to small > > >children?? i would like to know? > > Yes it is true....remembering that mothers have fed small amounts of > honey to infants for thousands of years and that the reason it no longer > is approved is because one over zealous California bureaucrat in the > health department who used the court's to force the issue on a small > industry by any standards that did not have the resources to defend > itself from the power of the government. > > The facts are that if you leave a open container of honey or any other > high sugar food in your home it will pick up dust that can be harmful to > your infant. It is also a fact that sooner or latter your infant must be > exposed to these same things to live a normal life. > > Information on this subject is at: > > http://www.honey.com/info/tummy.html > > For more information ask your doctor. > > ttul, the OLd Drone > > BEE KEEPING NEWS > http://209.76.50.54 > > > > > Article 11533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6f6noj$jsa$1@hihat.mwci.net> <1998032421083000.QAA10380@ladder01.news.aol.com> Subject: Re: Infants & Honey Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:29:46 -0000 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-226.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <351847db.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-226.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11533 HHF34 wrote in message <1998032421083000.QAA10380@ladder01.news.aol.com>... I was told today that no-one in UK has become ill from this source (infection organism in honey), and only 3 (three) infants have become ill in the USA. So, yes, it looks like the BSE thing, in that it is an over-reaction to a negligible risk. My 'source' has been feeding her children on honey for years. I use it to speed the healing of small cuts, burns and spots, so I am risking introducing infection directly into my blood stream. And to top that, I am in a so-called 'high-risk' group, as a kidney patient, on haemodilysis. It is not a 'false alarm', but IMHO, is nothing to worry about (statistically, at least!). Kidney John kj@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Stop paying attention to what I write. I'm not used to it. Next thing I know, people will actually be listening to me when I talk to them. I don't think I could cope with that. Article 11534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!usenet From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apivar Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:13:35 +0100 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3517874D.D580DE8@se.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.203.33.105 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11534 hi, Here in Belgium, we will use APIVAR from this year on to treat varroase (instead of APISTAN). Anybody out there who has experience with Apivar or who can tell me all about it (active component, application, drawbacks,...). cheers, hugo -- do bee do bee do ... Hugo Thone (VE144) email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (\ ALCATEL TELECOM phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 {|||8- F.Wellesplein 1 fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 (/ B-2018 Antwerp Article 11535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!128.223.220.26.MISMATCH!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Problem Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:12:03 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6f9sl2$8am$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6f756p$bms$1@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.20 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Mar 25 03:12:03 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11535 In article <6f756p$bms$1@news.usit.net>, "Don" wrote: > > This is my second year in bee keeping, in one of my hive of bees they just > get in a big bunch, looks like they are crawling into the holes on the drawn > cone. They are on the brood and not moving like they are dead. I have a > feeder on the hive. Could it be they are starving or the cold is a problem > not to many in the hive just two or three frames or could it be some kind of > disease. Brood looks ok. > Don, can they REACH any honey?? How cold is it where the hive is located?? (where does the hive live? - 'cause some hobbyists keep bees at the Summer Cottage and live a LONG way away from it/them). They can starve with honey in the hive and a full feeder IF they cannot reach it - and IF it is cold out they can't reach very far beyond the cluster and only within the cluster covered area is a safe bet for reach-ability of food. Point being - get the feed where they can reach it IF it ain't already there. Bring the food to them - they can't go get it if it is cold. I have seen 'em starve with LOTS of honey only an inch or two out of reach - a crying shame too. Of course during one sub-zero snap after brood rearing started some of 'em did not do the "lock on the brood and die" trick but moved to the food and let some of their brood die - there are differences in survival strategies - which one proves out best depends on the given year and the normal weather trend - the variations are interesting to observe. Best wishes, Jack Griffes Onsted, MI http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!167.142.225.6!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: "Rev Jim" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite bees? Date: 25 Mar 1998 04:26:41 GMT Organization: news.netins.net Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bd57a8$df4e1300$3a0cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> Reply-To: "Rev Jim" NNTP-Posting-Host: ur58.mebbs.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11536 I used Midnite strain bees several years ago, they were docile and nice and got run over by the comparatively vicious Italians. Article 11537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3518f4e6.1427724@news.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Infants and Honey Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:33:58 -0000 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-231.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <351923cf.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!demos2!demos!news.idt.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-231.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11537 Nathan L. Kanous II wrote in message <3518f4e6.1427724@news.msu.edu>... >I've read the recent thread on infants and honey with interest. One >item that seems to permeate each posting is that an infants immune >system is not advanced enough to handle the botulinum present in >honey. Without going into a detailed account of the development of >active and passive immunity, I would say this is not the culprit. > >As has been mentioned, botulinum spores have been found in raw honey. >Whether this is more common with honey than other foodstuffs, I don't >know. I don't want to debate that. I would, however, like to clear >up what the risk to infants is. > >Botulinum spores are not dangerous. Botulinum toxin (produced by the >Clostridium botulinum) is extremely toxic. Botulinum toxin is heat >labile (i.e. destroyed by heat). Botulinum spores are much less >sensitive to heat and require long times at high temperatures to >destroy them (15 min at 250 deg F). The problem with infants is that >they have not developed an "acid" gastrointestinal tract. The acid in >the "normal" adult gastrointestinal tract destroys the spores. When >infants ingest the spores, they are not destroyed in the >gastrointestinal tract and could therefore grow into mature Clostridum >botulinum and begin to express the toxin in the infants >gastrointestinal tract. In this manner, the infant is infected with a >toxin producing bacteria which would result in the infants death. > >Sorry for the bandwidth. > >Nathan L. Kanous II, Pharm.D., BCPS Thanks for this. Proper info. can only add to the debate/discussion. But I still can't help thinking, if there are only 3 known cases in the whole of the USA, and none Known in the UK (don't know about the rest of the world!) then practically any reaction is going to be over-reaction. (Don't need to apologise for bandwidth use, when you are making an eminently sensible post! Well, not to me, anyway.) Kidney John kj@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk Stop paying attention to what I write. I'm not used to it. Next thing I know, people will actually be listening to me when I talk to them. I don't think I could cope with that. Article 11538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emph.com!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED UK Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:05:51 +0000 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk [158.152.242.226] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11538 In article , Tim writes >I am desparate to get started in this exiting hobby however even though I >have read loads of books I know I really still "know" very little . what >I would ask is for someone to lead me through the process of setting up, >on-line. this may be dificult but I really want to get started this >season. I am at present writing to local fruit farmers asking if it would >be possible to put a hive in one of their orchards. I plan to buy a hive >and some bees as soon as I have a suitable site. >I seem impatient ? well I am as I have been planning since last year. > >I need to get started will anybody help? > >I am based in the county of cambridgeshire just outside peterborough (UK) > >Regards Tim. Join your local bee-keepers' association and get first-hand help. The web has its limitations as a teaching tool at present. You will find the advantages of practical help from other bee-keepers to be considerable. Good luck. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.emph.com/beehome Article 11539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!157.98.10.10.MISMATCH!news.niehs.nih.gov!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.dx.net!news From: Phil Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brown Foamy stuff on honey... Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:52:14 -0700 Organization: Disorganized Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3519525E.C3C@nmol.com> Reply-To: goldpnr@nmol.com NNTP-Posting-Host: s151.nmol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11539 Hi all, I need your help, please. I recently was given a bottle of honey from a friend, and when I open it, there was some brown, foamy, ??? stuff that had formed on one side (only) of the top of the honey, and also down into the honey about 1" along the plastic bottle sidewall. What is this stuff, is the honey safe to eat? How should I get it out of the honey? Thanks... Oh, FYI, first swarm this spring was noted yesterday, Local TV gave it brief coverage... Albuquerque, NM Wish I knew how to go "adopt" them.... Phil Article 11540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6f756p$bms$1@news.usit.net> <6f9sl2$8am$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Subject: Re: Problem Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:01:41 -0000 Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-201.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3518f3e3.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!207.97.14.174!europa.clark.net!209.150.97.11!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-201.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11540 jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote in message <6f9sl2$8am$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >In article <6f756p$bms$1@news.usit.net>, > "Don" wrote: >> >> This is my second year in bee keeping, in one of my hive of bees they just >> get in a big bunch, looks like they are crawling into the holes on the drawn >> cone. They are on the brood and not moving like they are dead. I have a >> feeder on the hive. Could it be they are starving or the cold is a problem >> not to many in the hive just two or three frames or could it be some kind of >> disease. Brood looks ok. >> To find out if it's starvation, and if it is, to help the colony instantly, sprinkle some sugar syrup directly on the bees themselves. If the problem was/is hunger, they will soon perk up as they lick the syrup off themselves. Even with copious amounts of food the bees can die, if it is , for instance, crystallised, and no water is available to dissolve it. Article 11541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!msunews!not-for-mail From: kanous@pilot.msu.edu (Nathan L. Kanous II) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Infants and Honey Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:21:38 GMT Organization: Ferris State University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3518f4e6.1427724@news.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.111.210.88 X-AUTHid: kanous X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-MD5: bdd349f7a8b80b975c9b6a517a5e29e7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11541 I've read the recent thread on infants and honey with interest. One item that seems to permeate each posting is that an infants immune system is not advanced enough to handle the botulinum present in honey. Without going into a detailed account of the development of active and passive immunity, I would say this is not the culprit. As has been mentioned, botulinum spores have been found in raw honey. Whether this is more common with honey than other foodstuffs, I don't know. I don't want to debate that. I would, however, like to clear up what the risk to infants is. Botulinum spores are not dangerous. Botulinum toxin (produced by the Clostridium botulinum) is extremely toxic. Botulinum toxin is heat labile (i.e. destroyed by heat). Botulinum spores are much less sensitive to heat and require long times at high temperatures to destroy them (15 min at 250 deg F). The problem with infants is that they have not developed an "acid" gastrointestinal tract. The acid in the "normal" adult gastrointestinal tract destroys the spores. When infants ingest the spores, they are not destroyed in the gastrointestinal tract and could therefore grow into mature Clostridum botulinum and begin to express the toxin in the infants gastrointestinal tract. In this manner, the infant is infected with a toxin producing bacteria which would result in the infants death. Sorry for the bandwidth. Nathan L. Kanous II, Pharm.D., BCPS Article 11542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "Ian Lawson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More Acurine Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:15:17 -0000 Organization: IL Message-ID: <6fc3me$48s$1@heliodor.xara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.27.89 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11542 My local Division apiary has had to destroy 2 colonies this year following our spring health clinic. I have also had experience of this infestation and even with two treatments of Folbex over two weeks, the bees after a short period of time soon starting to show serious symptoms again. This treatment seems to have a lesser effect on Accurine than Bayvarol does on Varroa but at least with Varroa a seemingly healthy colony can be rescued after treatment. Folbex is I beleive a banned treatment here in the U.K so has anyone any good prescriptions for treatment, or is destruction of a colony the only alternative. all comments welcome reply to Ian jenlea@globalnet.co.uk Article 11543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!gulfsouth.verio.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring bee cleaning Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:21:51 -0500 Organization: Biosource Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3519BBBF.35D4@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d92.dial-6.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 26 Mar 1998 02:31:56 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11543 Hi. What needs to be done to a bee hive this time of year. I am in Massachusetts. Last year, my bees swarmed, then I got varroa in July. I put Aspitan strips on until August, and a grease medicated tracheal mite medicine patty which they did not seem to eat. These are Yugos' which are mean as sin, but resistant to tracheal mites. Needless to say, I got no honey. The bees went into thewinter will full supers and healthy. Should I put another aspitan strip and patty in? If so, when? What else needs to be done in the spring? Should I look for queen cups? How about kill the mean Yugo queen and leave a new queen cup, or is it better to requeen? Since they swarmed last year, is my new queen young enough? Maybe she is only half Yugo by now and will be nicer? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 11544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: American foul brood Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6f9h82$8lr$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> Message-ID: <01bd5861$92898540$ef048ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 10 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:47:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-4-239.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:47:11 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11544 >Once foul brood has appeared in an apiary (indoors or out) how can >you rid yourself of it? Thats what grease patties are for. If it has developed too far you MUST burn the equipment. That is required by law Sorry for the bad news, but if 1 hive gets infected then others can pick it up & before you know it we're back to the days rampant afb. Article 11545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: Bee Go Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998032417482800.MAA29205@ladder01.news.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bd5862$ee15fe60$ef048ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 18 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:56:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-4-239.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:56:54 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11545 One thing you might try for fume boards: Take a shallow super, cut some thin plywood to act as 'lid' & nail this lid to the top of the super , staple burlap to the open end of the super (maybe 2 layers thick depending on the burlap) Go to your local hardware store & buy an elbow peice of 4" or 6" pvc. cut a hole in your lid that this pvc elbow will fit in. now just spray the bee go on the burlap. If there is wind in the area your yards are just turn the pipe so the opening is facing the wind, this will force the bee go into the hive. by the time we finish putting the 7th fume board on the first hive is ready. If there is no wind just puff your smoker in the pvc, this will work just as well. Article 11546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: rghallNoCrap@usit.net (Richard Hall) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foul brood Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:11:00 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3519cf25.906904@news.usit.net> References: <6f9h82$8lr$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.221.143 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11546 On 24 Mar 1998 23:56:50 GMT, mickf@lure.latrobe.edu.au (Kath) wrote: >Can anyone help? > >Once foul brood has appeared in an apiary (indoors or out) how can >you rid yourself of it? > >What is the current accepted method for detecting/identifying Bacillus >larvae? > >Thanks > >Kath If AFB is infecting your colony, the cells of your brood comb will have a scattered and irregular pattern of capped and uncapped cells, and cells with sunken and punctured cappings. A larval color change is one of the signs of infected larvae. Dying larvae gradually change from pearly white to dark brown. As the larvae shrink it pulls the capping down into the cell so that the normally convex capping becomes concave. In advanced stages many of the cappings are punctured. One way to verify that it's AFB is to examine some of the larvae from the brood cells. Stick a toothpick into the decayed larvae and withdraw it from the cell. If the disease is present an inch or more of brown, gluelike thread can be withdrawn. This condition is known as the "ropy stage". Also in advanced stages an odor can be detected. If the larvae develop into pupa before dying then its tongue generally protrudes from the edge of the cell to the center. Only the spore stage of Bacillus larvae is infectious to honeybees and the spore can survive for 50 years. The only way to kill it completely is to burn it or boilit in lye. However AFB can be controlled with oxytetracycline or "Terramycin". Article 11547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!203.12.176.153!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!ozemail!ozreader From: Ian and Barbara Lawrie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Go Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:06:46 -0800 Organization: Jock's Blox Message-ID: <3519E266.663D@ozemail.com.au> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998032417482800.MAA29205@ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: joxblox@ozemail.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.108.19.95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11547 Misabby wrote: > > Bee Go works well for us in MN, but the sun needs to be out!. It takes a few > minutes on a sunny day for it to work. It works well for us to have several > fume boards so that we can give them time to work driving the bees down to the > next box as we take honey off. The tempature doesn't seem to matter as much as > a sunny day. It works faster if it is a little cooler and the sun is out > rather than a warm cloudy day. It also takes less time than blowing the bees. > The smell is something else, though!!! > ccarlson> > > > Can anyone advise me if the fume pads and bee go work as advertised. Try Escape boards! No chemicals, takes overnight...No worries. IL Article 11548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.md.home.com!not-for-mail From: Dave Titus Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite bees? Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:11:30 +0000 Organization: @Home Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35199D32.2875@home.com> References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> <01bd57a8$df4e1300$3a0cb1cf@jim.smallwww.mebbs.com.www.mebbs.com> Reply-To: davetitus@home.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cc485294-a.catv1.md.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11548 Last year we had a Midnite hive, this year we are re-queening. If you want gentile bees, they are great. They don't need much smoke to calm them down and they are as nice as can be. They are a dark bee, and are rumored to tolerate mites better. But!!! in the Maryland area, not sure about elsewhere, they are laziest bees. The rev up in the fall for stores, but before then, all they do is propolize everything in sight. Glue it tight as a drum. They didn't have a problem with our other hives that had Buckfast, but yellow jackets could walk all over them. Rev Jim wrote: > > I used Midnite strain bees several years ago, they were docile and nice and > got run over by the comparatively vicious Italians. Article 11549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infants & Honey Date: 25 Mar 1998 15:47:33 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998032515473300.KAA25643@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <351847db.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11549 great point John! Isn't it amazing what media can do? I wasn't thinking much about the BSE issue when I wrote the original post, however, that seems like a perfect example also! In the use of honey with kids, my parents still tell how the only way that they could get me to shut up when I was a baby was to dip my pacifier in honey! Monica ----------------------- Thought for today: When I see sacred cow, I think......MMMMMmmmm Steak! (Richard Bandler) ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 11551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED UK Date: 26 Mar 1998 15:19:09 GMT Organization: Department of Biology, University of York Lines: 45 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6fdrld$974$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: TIMUS@SAQNET.CO.UK Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11551 Hi Tim, I too am very much a beginer, getting my first two hives last summer, and now looking forward to what the Summer will bring. Firstly I found out about my local beekeeping Societies Summer courses. I did this last Summer. It was there that I made contact with other people of similar standard and interest to myself, found out about what it was actually like to be working amongst a cloud of bees as you work the hive (the noise can be so great that you cannot hear the instructor properly), and also found out about where to purchase a good hive and bees at a reasonable cost. I've come to the conclusion that the only way to learn is with practical experience. The books just cannot do that. (Can a book tell you what a bee sting feels like)? The other replies you have got so far tell of joining your local society, I would strongly recommend that. Though most of the beekeepers will have been at it for years there will be those who will be beginners like yourself + I have found that the beekeepers I've met like nothing better than to pass their knowledge onto you..... You will probably have the added bonus of being able to loan some of the more expensive pieces of equipment such as extractors etc. Secondly one of the other replies says not to rush into finding a site. Again I agree, before you site your bees in an outside apiry you want to know what they are up to, (who wants to travel miles to visit their bees)? I (cautiously) got the agreement of my neibours and have made a site in the back garden. It is a brilliant way to learn, to be able to see them each day and to get to know what they are up to... (I can have had a really grotty day at work and when I get home I can just amble down the garden and watch my bees for a few minutes.... A real way to unwind: I am really looking forward to the Summer). I am still a bit concerned about having an urban site, and I reckon that once I have the confidence to know what I am doing then I shall look for a site not too far away in the country. Finally keep an eye on this newsgroup. It does seem a little daunting and has a lot of posts from America etc, but there are plenty of us U.K souls contributing. It is also great to read about how folk throughout the World tackle our hobby.... Tis a small world and getting smaller. Best of luck. Paul. Article 11552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foul brood Date: 26 Mar 1998 16:47:36 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6fe0r8$mat$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <6f9h82$8lr$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11552 Kath's question gives me an opportunity to bring up something I've been pondering. My understanding is that when we say control of AFB by TM, what we are actually refering to is the prevention of development of the disease in the larval GI tracts (due to the presence of the antibiotic). Untreated, the bacteria develop, kill the larva and the remains dry into blackish scales. The disease spores are then spread by the nurse/hive bees as they remove the dead/mummified scaly remains of the victims. (The spores are in the scales, correct? After cleaning and removal of scales, the same bee may then go to feed the larva, thus infecting them.) What this then suggests is that use of TM, combined with heavy culling of frames with scale in them ought to eventually get rid of all sources of infection, eventually leading to the ability to discontinue TM treatment. Anyone tried this? It also suggests to me some other implications. Would a high degree of labor specialization (e.g., a separation between feeding duties and cleaning duties) result in less transmission of the disease? Maybe there are some implications for the way in which bees actually handle house cleaning tasks? (I'm interested in the topic because I am very uncomfortable with the blanket, prophylactic approach to antibiotic use - not that I'm at all condemning those of you out there making your livelihoods soley from your bees, and having to do this to keep things going - rather I'm dreading the day we start reading about a new TM-resistant AFB strain... I suspect that would make the varroa experience feel like the chicken pox). Regards, Dave T. Article 11553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!EUnet.yu!not-for-mail From: "Milka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: literatura Date: 26 Mar 1998 18:20:38 GMT Organization: EUnet Yugoslavia Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bd58e3$9d1bb0a0$15c7f7c2@Internet.EUnet.yu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-199.21.eunet.yu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11553 please, help me to find the book " life of the bees" by maurice maeterlinck thanks a lot lavinia@eunet.yu Article 11554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.20.110.210!fresh!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:40:01 +0100 Message-ID: <199803261940.UAA08207@china.netassist.se> From: Anonymous Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . Subject: Re: American foul brood References: <6fe0r8$mat$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Old-Author-Address: anon anon efga org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11554 What you say makes a good deal of sense. But from what I've read in various books, the honey in an infected hive also contains spores -- hence the usual recommendation to burn that too. To completely follow the program you seem to suggest -- a course of treatment with TM and removal of infected brood comb, in place of giving up and burning everything -- wouldn't it also make sense to extract and either consume or destroy the honey? Otherwise you'd probably never be able to discontinue the TM. But much in this line of reasoning depends upon factors I'm not certain of: the presence and viability of AFB spores in stored honey, how big a factor the mere presence of such spores in the honey really is, since a certain level probably is required to be reached to trigger an outbreak, the division of labor issue you mention, etc. Given that the only approved method for dealing with AFB outbreaks is destruction of the hives by burning (as far as I know, anyway), is it safe to assume that controlled studies have been done somewhere to show that this course is strictly necessary? Never seen any such, if there are any. Anybody out there try to rehabilitate hives using TM and these methods? djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: > >Kath's question gives me an opportunity to bring up something I've been >pondering. > >My understanding is that when we say control of AFB by TM, what we are >actually refering to is >the prevention of development of the disease in the larval GI tracts (due to >the presence of the >antibiotic). Untreated, the bacteria develop, kill the larva and the remains >dry into blackish >scales. The disease spores are then spread by the nurse/hive bees as they >remove >the dead/mummified scaly remains of the victims. (The spores are in the >scales, correct? After >cleaning and removal of scales, the same bee may then go to feed the larva, >thus infecting them.) >What this then suggests is that use of TM, combined with heavy culling of >frames with >scale in them ought to eventually get rid of all sources of infection, >eventually leading to the >ability to discontinue TM treatment. Anyone tried this? > >It also suggests to me some other implications. Would a high degree of labor >specialization >(e.g., a separation between feeding duties and cleaning duties) result in >less transmission of >the disease? Maybe there are some implications for the way in which bees >actually handle >house cleaning tasks? > >(I'm interested in the topic because I am very uncomfortable with the >blanket, prophylactic >approach to antibiotic use - not that I'm at all condemning those of you out >there making your >livelihoods soley from your bees, and having to do this to keep things going >- rather I'm >dreading the day we start reading about a new TM-resistant AFB strain... I >suspect that >would make the varroa experience feel like the chicken pox). > >Regards, Dave T. Article 11555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.dx.net!news From: Phil Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help, please ! Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:36:03 -0700 Organization: Disorganized Lines: 14 Message-ID: <351AD853.E8D@yahoo.com> References: <3519525E.C3C@nmol.com> Reply-To: goldpnr@yahoo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: s169.nmol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11555 Phil wrote: Hi all, I need your help, please. I recently was given a bottle of honey from a friend, and when I open it, there was some brown, foamy, ??? stuff that had formed on one side (only) of the top of the honey, and also down into the honey about 1" along the plastic bottle sidewall. What is this stuff, is the honey safe to eat? How should I get it out of the honey? Thanks... Oh, FYI, first swarm locally this spring was noted Tuesday, Local TV gave it brief coverage... Albuquerque, NM Wish I knew how to go "adopt" them.... Phil Article 11556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <351AFA99.34107C1B@qnet.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:02:18 -0800 From: M Tibbs Organization: BioStore International X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping license? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: lanc01-17.ca.qnet.com Lines: 8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!wdcpop.dra.net!news.dra.com!news.keyway.net!newsfeed.qnet.com!news.qnet.com!lanc01-17.ca.qnet.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11556 Greetings, Does one need a beekeeping license to keep bees? Thanks for any info -Wes Article 11557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Sandy & John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee biology questions Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:34:36 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 45 Message-ID: <351B022C.89B928D2@athens.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1764@207.42.201.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11557 howdy, I just transferred my first package of bees into my first hive and now hope for them to accept their queen! It's all very exciting. And in the meantime I have been skimming "The Hive and the Honeybee", and, while informative, it raised several questions regarding bee reproduction: (you'll probably notice I haven't studied the book very thoroughly, but here goes....) 1. My understanding is that drones laid by the queen result from unfertilized eggs, effectively making her the single parent of the offspring. If this is the case, and the drones from her hive are mating with her, how does the hive not become severely inbred by the queen in effect mating with her "sons"? 2. Of the 100+ or so drones in a hive: a.) Do all of them mate with the queen? b.) A chosen few mate with the queen? c.)None mate with her? 3. What factors choose what drones mate with the queen? Is it a function of age of the drones? 4. How do workers know when building comb the appropriate ratio of drone cells to worker cells. 5. I assume a queen cell is related to the pheromones released by the queen instructing some worker to build a single or few queen chambers, is this so? Practical Questions: 6. What's the appropriate ratio for sugar water in the springtime? I have been using 1:1 sugar:h20 -- by weight. 7. My queen is presently in her cage suspended from a frame with the candy plug exposed for the workers to eat through. It's been a couple of days since I started the hive and I'm dying to check on them again. Is checking them too often this early unwarranted? Or does it not matter. Thanks for your time, John Vona Article 11558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!newshub.csu.net!news.sdsc.edu!nntp3.cerf.net!nntp2.cerf.net!news.idt.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.dreamscape.com!news.dreamscape.com!not-for-mail From: "mrnorth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnite bees? Date: 27 Mar 1998 01:52:11 GMT Organization: Dreamscape Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bd5922$fcf4be60$7213c6cf@default> References: <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sa3-p50.dreamscape.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11558 Midnights are among the gentler bees but any colony can have good and bad days. The key to the neighbors is to work the bees only on nice days and keep the lawnmowers and other engines away. M Tibbs wrote in article <35185637.841FB1EB@qnet.com>... > Greetings, > > I heard that midnite bees are gentle, as I may be keeping a hive > near neighbors, I want gentle bees. Can someone e-mail me with pros and > cons of these and maybey a web site which has info on them? > > Thanks abundle > -Wes > > Article 11559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Go Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:39:12 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 33 Message-ID: <351B0340.E0B844F5@valley.net> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998032417482800.MAA29205@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3519E266.663D@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-110.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11559 Ian and Barbara Lawrie wrote: > Misabby wrote: > > > > Bee Go works well for us in MN, but the sun needs to be out!. It takes a few > > minutes on a sunny day for it to work. It works well for us to have several > > fume boards so that we can give them time to work driving the bees down to the > > next box as we take honey off. The tempature doesn't seem to matter as much as > > a sunny day. It works faster if it is a little cooler and the sun is out > > rather than a warm cloudy day. It also takes less time than blowing the bees. > > The smell is something else, though!!! > > ccarlson> > > > > > Can anyone advise me if the fume pads and bee go work as advertised. > > Try Escape boards! No chemicals, takes overnight...No worries. > IL i'll second the escape board method. last year i made one from an inner lid with 2 porter escapes, and it worked great. just takes a little longer [overnight, as ian posted.]. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!167.142.225.6!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive "playing dead" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:22:13 -0600 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 29 Message-ID: <351B2975.F312C8FF@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-12.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11560 This is my first winter that I've kept bees, and they seem to have come through the winter quite well this year. (I'm in central Iowa.) I have two hives, and by midwinter i was certain that one of them was dead. Even on warm days (of which we've had plenty) when the other hive was quite active, this one looked dead. No bees guarding the entrances, no buzzing sound when I whacked the side of the hive. But just yesterday, when I want out to reduce the hives, clean the bottom boards and check their numbers and feed levels (and fully expected to bring home one dead empty hive) both were buzzing with activity! As this is my first year and I haven't learned to distinguish robbing flight patterns from foraging ones, I at first assumed that hive A was taking advantage of the warm weather to rob a dead hive B. But upon opening it up, I saw more bees than I ever expected to see in an early-spring hive. I reduced it to one hive body, but they're already a bit crowded! Both hives had plenty of bees. I do have one worry though... While I was preparing to close up hive A (the one that looked healthy all winter) the bees began a furious buzzing. I didn't notice a big change in their behavior, just in the noise they were making. Could this be "roaring"? Does it mean I might have squished the queen while closing up the hive? I hope not. I'll check again in a few days and look for fresh eggs... it's probably just new-beekeeper nerves. -Drox Article 11561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!usenet From: bculbret@orednet.org (bob culbreth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mites Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:22:24 GMT Organization: Oregon EDNET COMPASS Lines: 14 Message-ID: <351b25e9.3063219@News.orednet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: earla04.eou.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11561 I lost my bees to mites (Varroa??) about three years ago. I had bees for about 20 years prior to that. It was kind fo nice not having the work associated with beekeeping. However, I have not seen a honey bee on our place (not one) since my hive died. Mainly because of poor polination, I have decided to have bees again and am getting a package in a few days. My questions are: Where can I buy Apistan and get directions on how to use it? Can you recommed a bee supply place? The one I used to use closed in Walla Walla, Washington (I live in Eastern Oregon.) Can you recommend any useful websites? Thanks Article 11562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.170.0.1!news.otenet.gr!usenet From: "Tasos Toutoutzian" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:45:18 +0200 Organization: OTEnet user - GREECE Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: athe-j08.otenet.gr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11562 Can anyone advise a novice on how to go about an easy, non-toxic prevenative treatement of 20 colonies, as a precautionary measure against the Varoa mite? Thank you Tasos Article 11563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!newshub.csu.net!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foul brood Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:11:18 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6fffov$41p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6f9h82$8lr$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> <6fe0r8$mat$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 27 06:11:18 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11563 In article <6fe0r8$mat$1@netnews.upenn.edu>, djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) wrote: > (I'm interested in the topic because I am very uncomfortable with the blanket, prophylactic > approach to antibiotic use - not that I'm at all condemning those of you out there making your > livelihoods soley from your bees, and having to do this to keep things going - rather I'm > dreading the day we start reading about a new TM-resistant AFB strain... I suspect that > would make the varroa experience feel like the chicken pox). As I understand things some TM resistant strains of AFB have already been identified in areas where improper dosing was used. The trick here is it is relatively easy to breed AFB resistant bees - which if you use them require NO drug usage for AFB prevention. It is not that easy to breed V-mite resistant bees - I know as we are working at it. In that light I see AFB as a Sunday picnic on a nice sunny day requiring only a occasional mosquito swatting while Varroa is more like a thunderstorm that might just increase in intensity. Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foul brood Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:22:02 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6ffgdo$4gt$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6fe0r8$mat$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <199803261940.UAA08207@china.netassist.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 27 06:22:02 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11564 Gamma irradiation kills ALL spores without destroying the equipment. It is however not widely available in the USA and generally if not always requires a special permit. State Regs as to proper treatment of AFB vary. In some states - burn 'em is still the law. Other states allow recuperative efforts to be employed. I have removed a feral colony from a stack of AFB ridden abandoned equipment. I dumped/shook all the bees in front of a clean hive containing ONLY foundation (no drawn comb). I sprayed the bees with TM in sugar syrup. I fed them TM in sugar syrup while they drew their combs. They were clean next Spring. Luckily I have not had to replicate that effort. Best wishes, Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35197CFF.8C80B802@access1.net> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:54:07 -0800 From: "F. Marc de Piolenc" Organization: Autodidactics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nails for hive construction, help! References: <35129C3B.505A@cdsnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: sandiego-1-5.sandiego.access1.net Lines: 31 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.pbi.net!news.access1.net!sandiego-1-5.sandiego.access1.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11565 Pete Danko wrote: > > i am assembling two hives for the very > first time. i'm doing it this weekend before > a very nice beekeeper gives me two swarms next week! > (well, queens willing) > > i don't have time to order nails from a beekeeping > supply place. what nails should i pick up at the hardware > store? 8ds? others? how long should they be? Don't use nails at all, as they will work loose very quickly. Use drywall screws (#8 x 2" is fine). Drill 3/32" pilot holes, then use a Philips screwdriver to insert the screws. Your hive body will never come apart. > also, can i just use a nail remove/prybar as a hive > tool? or would that be too thick and brutish? the only > ones i see at the hardware store seem to be either thick > 12" ones or thin 7" ones... would either of these work? They will work, but they will quickly destroy your hive body, as will the "hive tools" sold to the pros. After much fooling around I settled on using a paint-knife (spackle knife, putty knife) with a heavy, 3" wide spring steel blade. You work it gently into the chink between the two supers, slide it all around to loosen the propolis, then pry gently at the corners. Best regards, Marc de Piolenc (soon to be a tropical amateur beekeeper) Article 11566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: bee biology questions Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <351B022C.89B928D2@athens.net> Message-ID: <01bd594f$a4da4ba0$16218ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 85 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:11:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-33-22.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:11:24 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11566 > 1. My understanding is that drones laid by the queen result from > unfertilized eggs, effectively making her the single parent of the > offspring. If this is the case, and the drones from her hive are > mating with her, how does the hive not become severely inbred by the > queen in effect mating with her "sons"? > 2. Of the 100+ or so drones in a hive: a.) Do all of them mate with > the queen? b.) A chosen few mate with the queen? c.)None mate with > her? Answer: C The drones in the hive are not mating with her. When you buy a package it contains a mated queen. (or it should, if she's a virgin raise hell with the supplier, she should be laying within a couple of days. Be sure to pinch the old queen as they will fight for the hive & you may lose your new one) The queen is reared first in a cell building hive then at 10 or 11 days the cell is transferred to a nuc yard where she hatches within a couple of days. After she hatches she goes on her mating flight in a few days. Queens & drones congregate at a selected area in the breeder yard, most often times a tree branch.(selected by the bees, not the beekeeper). At this time the queen mates with multiple drones from other hives (while in flight). The queen will never mate again after this flight, and the drones drop dead as they finish their end of the ordeal. > 3. What factors choose what drones mate with the queen? Is it a > function of age of the drones? Mostly stamina and competition between the drones chasing the queen in flight insure a positive genetic transfer. > 4. How do workers know when building comb the appropriate ratio of > drone cells to worker cells. Unless you limit your frames to worker foundation the bees will automatically make a certain amount of drone comb depending on existing comb, honey flow, and numerous other factors. You can increase this by inserting drone comb foundation in some frames, but unless you're breading queens, don't bother. > 5. I assume a queen cell is related to the pheromones released by the > queen instructing some worker to build a single or few queen chambers, > is this so? Nope. The reasoning can range from the hive growing so much that bees at the top of the hive a separated & feel the need to swarm, to the fact that the queen is getting old and or starting to lay mostly barren eggs, resulting in drones from normal sized comb. They will usually draw out around 7 to 10 queen cells. > Practical Questions: > 6. What's the appropriate ratio for sugar water in the springtime? I > have been using 1:1 sugar:h20 -- by weight. we use a 500 gal tank, dump a 1 ton bag of sugar in it, fill it up with water. Roughly 4lb sugar to 1 gal water > 7. My queen is presently in her cage suspended from a frame with the > candy plug exposed for the workers to eat through. It's been a couple > of days since I started the hive and I'm dying to check on them again. > Is checking them too often this early unwarranted? Or does it not > matter. Make sure she is out within 5 days, and also be sure that the screen is not facing down, the workers will chew her legs off some times, then may kill her because they feel she is defective. Disturbing the hive too often can be bad, but make sure she is out. Have fun! Cevin Stewart Article 11567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: Beekeeping license? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <351AFA99.34107C1B@qnet.com> Message-ID: <01bd5952$34564020$16218ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:29:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-33-22.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:29:41 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11567 > Does one need a beekeeping license to keep bees? Nope, just a good back :) Have Fun Cevin Stewart Article 11568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> Message-ID: <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 18 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:28:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-33-22.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:28:45 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11568 > Can anyone advise a novice on how to go about an > easy, non-toxic prevenative treatement of 20 colonies, as a precautionary > measure against the Varoa mite? By non-toxic I assume you mean not a pesticide such as apistan. There is nothing out there that has been proven to work except Apistan. At the Oregon Washington Idaho BC convention there was a lot of talk about alternative treatments. All the studies introduce showed that essential oils & other treatments do not help control mites in any way. Sorry, but it looks like the only thing we can do is pray for the FDA to move on Formic Acid, as mites are becoming resistant to Apistan. Have Fun Cevin Stewart Article 11569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: Mites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <351b25e9.3063219@News.orednet.org> Message-ID: <01bd5951$7b547ec0$16218ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 15 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:24:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-33-22.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:24:31 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11569 > My questions are: > Where can I buy Apistan and get directions on how to use it? > Can you recommed a bee supply place? The one I used to use closed in > Walla Walla, Washington (I live in Eastern Oregon.) > Can you recommend any useful websites? Dadant & Sons or Mann Lake Ltd. They both sell apistan. Instructions are included. http://www.dadant.com/ http://www.mannlakeltd.com/index.html I live in Northern California, about 20 miles from Durham, so I use Dadant just because they are close at hand, but both do mail order. Have Fun Cevin Stewart Article 11570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sticky solution & Pollen Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:12:04 +0000 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 41 Message-ID: <351B8984.8FB@nt.com> References: <6f5f7b$r7m$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11570 If you want local advice contact, and join, your local beekeeping association: G.H. Moxon, 9 Savery Street, Southcoates Lane,Hull HU9 3BG. 01482 782052 also check out the British Beekeeping Assoc. site: http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/index.htm Paul Waites wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am a bit of a beginner here so please excuse an ignorance that I show. > I fed both my hives last Autumn with sugar solution ready for the Winter; > (As it has turned out we don't seem to have had much of a Winter here in > Yorkshire U.K. so I reckon that I could have saved myself the trouble)... > Anyway this weekend I noticed a sticky solution that was running out of > the entrance of the smaller of my two hives. It had a kind of vinegar-ish > kind of smell. Will it be some of the suger solution that has fermented > in the hive? Should I worry? Why do you think that it has effected only > one hive? I will not be able to open the hive-up to have a look for > another fortnight, do you think that this will be alright until then, and > will I be faced with a mighty problem when I get in there... > > I have also noticed all sorts of different coloured pollens being carried > back by the workers, is there any simple pollen guides to be had > anywhere, I am just curious to see what it is they are collecting. > > Also this Sunday I found a drone outside one of the hives, seems a bit > early for them to be about? > > Many thanks for any advice, > > Paul. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!srv1.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: GETTING STARTED UK Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:28:55 +0000 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 32 Message-ID: <351BA997.BC5@nt.com> References: Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11571 Tim, Get in touch with the Cambridgeshire Beekeeping Association (A. Scholan, 41 Mill Road, Lode, Cambridge CB5 9EN 01223 811941) where you will find lots of freindly advice and help. You'll be better off having your bees close to home for the first year or two and don't expect to get much surplus honey for a couple of years. Good Luck. Tim wrote: > > I am desparate to get started in this exiting hobby however even though I > have read loads of books I know I really still "know" very little . what > I would ask is for someone to lead me through the process of setting up, > on-line. this may be dificult but I really want to get started this > season. I am at present writing to local fruit farmers asking if it would > be possible to put a hive in one of their orchards. I plan to buy a hive > and some bees as soon as I have a suitable site. > I seem impatient ? well I am as I have been planning since last year. > > I need to get started will anybody help? > > I am based in the county of cambridgeshire just outside peterborough (UK) > > Regards Tim. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 11572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping license? Date: 27 Mar 1998 16:01:58 GMT Lines: 2 Message-ID: <1998032716015800.LAA22016@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bd5952$34564020$16218ed1@default> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11572 Becareful some states require you register your hives - even if you have only one. Article 11573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!newshub.csu.net!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.wli.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!151.164.30.38!newsgate.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping license? Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:49:52 -0600 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 15 Message-ID: <351BE6BF.A7DD40CD@swbell.net> References: <351AFA99.34107C1B@qnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-49-10.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 891021192 20194 (None) 151.164.49.10 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11573 Not yet. But bee quiet, or the politicians will come up with this, or some other way to tax us. M Tibbs wrote: > Greetings, > > Does one need a beekeeping license to keep bees? > > Thanks for any info > > -Wes Article 11574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can't find a bee inspector Date: 27 Mar 1998 18:06:38 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998032718063801.NAA05821@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998032022130301.RAA12170@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11574 Found him. (601)325-3391 A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something (me) Article 11575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mites Date: 27 Mar 1998 19:05:04 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1998032719050400.OAA12712@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <351b25e9.3063219@News.orednet.org> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11575 Howdy, We are a full service bee supply dealer in the Willamette Valley near Monmouth, and can supply any of your beekeepiung needs by mail or by pick up. We have a catalog online at - http://members.aol.com/beetools. We have Apistan is stock at $20 for a ten pack and $175 for the 100 strip pack. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee 11260 Simpson Road Monmouth, OR 97361 TEL 503-838-2328 FAX 503-838-6040 email beetools@aol.com Article 11576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: 27 Mar 1998 18:53:15 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998032718531500.NAA08378@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11576 There is a mamagement technique you can use to "control" varroa. The technique uses the same concept behind Apistan - breaking the brrod cycle of the mites. This is done by caging the queen for three and one-half weeks. Without new brood for the female mite to lay in, you break the brood cycle and kill off a substantial portion of the mites. This technique is used in Spring and in early Fall. You should have built up the population of the hive in Jan/Feb to substain the loss of three weeks of brood production in the critical Mar/Apr pre-honey flow period, and again in late summer after the honey flow so that you have a strong population to support late brood rearing for wintering over. Since you are making serious changes in the honeybee's brood cycles, this is best undertaken by EXPERIENCE beekeepers. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 11577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter0!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: stoigo@ora.fda.gov Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hogg Halfcomb Cassette: Advice sought Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:54:56 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6fh72s$kpo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.148.30.203 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 27 21:54:56 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11577 Greetings! I'm a novice beekeeper and I'm looking forward to my first honey harvest this year. I've noticed the "Hogg Halfcomb Cassette" advertisements in the "American Bee Journal" . Is this a system that would be adviseable for a novice beekeeper? Your comments, both pro or con, are welcome. Thanks! Steve Toigo / stoigo@ora.fda.gov -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Darrell Laney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Northeast Alabama Beekeepers Assoc. Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:45:28 -0600 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.149.118.37 Message-ID: <351c2c84.0@209.149.100.15> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!newsfeed.gte.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!newsfeed.mia.bellsouth.net!209.149.100.15!209.149.118.37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11578 I would like to invite anyone in the Calhoun Co. area to come to the next meeting of our new beekeeping assoc.. Our next meeting is set for April 6 at 6:00PM.....For info please e-mail me. Article 11579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: joseNOphj@SPAMsurf-ici.com (Mushroom) Subject: Re: Beekeeping license? References: <351AFA99.34107C1B@qnet.com> <01bd5952$34564020$16218ed1@default> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:46:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.145.77 Message-ID: <351c3b95.0@news3.paonline.com> Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.44.3.66!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!basement Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11579 In article <01bd5952$34564020$16218ed1@default>, "George Stewart" wrote: >> Does one need a beekeeping license to keep bees? > >Nope, just a good back :) > >Have Fun >Cevin Stewart > .and poor financial sense. :) It's a blast! Article 11580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pjbnet.demon.co.uk!JonCole From: Jon Cole Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary,sci.med.nutrition,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Agrow World Crop Protection News headlines Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:48:08 +0000 Organization: PJB Sender: Jon Cole Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pjbnet.demon.co.uk [158.152.115.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a <1zUHjtIDRAuY9sonhNPb+08hrj> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.med.veterinary:16214 sci.med.nutrition:88220 sci.agriculture:24822 sci.agriculture.poultry:4884 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11580 sci.agriculture.fruit:1582 The updated headlines from Agrow World Crop Protection News are now available from the PJB Publications Web site. The URL to stay up-to-date with what's in the latest issue of Agrow is http://www.pjbpubs.co.uk/agrow Kind regards, -- Jonathan Cole PJB Publications (Please change 'nospam' to 'demon' to reply) Article 11581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: literatura Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:44:31 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <351C2BCF.72C@juno.com> References: <01bd58e3$9d1bb0a0$15c7f7c2@Internet.EUnet.yu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 16665@205.216.79.40 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Milka Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11581 try going to this web page: http://www.tiac.net/users/eldred/mm/b.html good luck and enjoy! Article 11582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!newshub.csu.net!news.sdsc.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: literatura Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:55:36 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <351C2E68.2391@juno.com> References: <01bd58e3$9d1bb0a0$15c7f7c2@Internet.EUnet.yu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 17137@205.216.79.40 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Milka Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11582 Milka wrote: > > please, help me to find the book " life of the bees" by maurice maeterlinck > > thanks a lot > > lavinia@eunet.yu try the web page: http://www.tiac.net/users/eldred/mm/b.html good luck and enjoy! Article 11583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:57:30 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6fhori$lt9$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp14.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11583 In article <0 Sorry, but it >looks like the only thing we can do is pray for the FDA to move on Formic >Acid, as mites are becoming resistant to Apistan. We could all get rid of the Langstroth frame hives and go to Top Bar Hives. Oh, but I forgot, all the beekeepers have all their money tied up in Langstroth frames, Langstroth uncappers and Langstroth spinning extractors and all the beekeeper supply companies have all their inventory dedicated to Langstroth frames, Langstroth uncappers, Langstroth spinning extractors.... Article 11584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.25.36.3!news.e-tex.com!news From: "Valued Gateway Customer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spring medication applications Date: 28 Mar 1998 03:37:23 GMT Organization: East Texas Internet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bd59f8$c22e0800$092719ce@trhowell.e-tex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d7m09.e-tex.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11584 I need to know what medications to start my first ever hives with during the next couple of weeks? Article 11585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!207.12.55.133.MISMATCH!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:18:02 -0600 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 116 Message-ID: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.72 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11585 Tasos Toutoutzian wrote: > Can anyone advise a novice on how to go about an > easy, non-toxic prevenative treatement of 20 colonies, as a precautionary > measure against the Varoa mite? > > Thank you > > Tasos Hello beekeepers on group, I have been sharing with beekeepers on the bee-l list on the use of mineral oil as an atlurnative to Apistan. Mineral oil was discovered by Dr. Rodriguez as an effective miticide for bees, only problem was that his system was too labor intensive. I found a faster and easier way to treat with mineral oil, which I refer to FGMO or food grade mineral oil. After a lot of dispute whether FGMO really works I emailed to the list the letter that follows. I had put my experiments on this news group as I was do it, only problem not to many believers. I have two more emails that explain more if the news group is interested I'll post them. > Hi all bee lovers, > I was reading an article in March issue of bee culture ( inner > cover) by Kim Flottum where he mentions about the state of Florida not > allowing bees in the state if you have more than two mites per ether > roll per colony. See below. > > Bee culture: > There’s more. The Florida people have made a pretty good case for the ether > roll test and colony crashes. Cutts said that when testing colonies for > certification, > colonies are required to have two or > fewer mites in an ether roll test. More, and treatment is required or > the colony dies. Pure and > simple. Moreover, a colony needs to be certified as ‘treated’ if it is > to get back into Florida later in > the season. There’s not a quarantine as such, but treat, or don’t get > back in. And, your colonies > die. > > > I don't want too sound like a smart allic but when my bees where tested > by the state of Minnesota before transporting to California they found > only 1 mite from a sample of aproximately 300 bees taken from 10 > colonies. The real kicker here is that I last treated with mineral oil > in the first week of sept. the test was done in the last week of oct., > in other words 1 1/2 months untreated before the test was done. There > could have been drifting from other neighboring colonies this late in > the fall, I believe my colonies were mite free in august when I was > treating every week. > > This was my first year back as a beekeeper in a long time these bees > were purchased from a commercial beekeeper here in Minnesota his first > name is Chuck. Well I told Chuck what I was doing, treating all summer > for mites with mineral oil. I told him that my bees looked better and > better each week and the colonies where getting stronger, he wanted > proof he kept saying how do you know for sure. Well I didn't really know > for sure all summer but I knew what healthy colonies looked like in the > 70's when there were no mites to fight with. Any way I tried to talk > Chuck into trying mineral oil for quite awhile but he wanted no part of > anything that there was no proof that it worked. Now here is the best > part of all this because I know everyone is thinking I never had mites > to begin with, these bees came from Chuck they where actually his bees > just transffered ownership. > Well His bees tested at the same time after having Apistan in for 1 1/2 > months tested 10 mites with the same amount of bees. The only difference > here is that the sample from his lot was taken from more colonies. > > Well it seems I could take my bees to Florida and Chucks would be banned > from going. Any way chuck called me on the phone when he got the > results in the mail and asked exactly what I was doing and the recipe, > by the way it only takes me 20 seconds to treat a colony for mites per > week. The hardest part is driving to each apiary. Also someone said that > some apiarys just don't have a problem with mites, but don't forget > these where Chucks bees in the spring and I had my thirty colonies in 6 > different locations. I am sorry to report also Chuck lost almost a third > of his bees in california due to mites, and I lost the 10 nucs that I > started in august I think they died in minnesota. They where not shipped > until the end of november, the nucs just where not strong enough to take > the below zero days we had in minnesota. > > I am happy to report Chuck has purchased a large sprayer like mine to > treat mites with this year, he starts with 550 colonies every spring I > figure he should be able to save at least $4000 this year on the cost of > apistan alone. I wonder if he will buy me that fancy pickup after 6 > years, Naw. > > If someone wants to see the results of the ether roll tests that where > done by the state of Minnesota I can ask Chuck if he would release them. > After all it was done under his name, I really didn't want to mention > this until I got his permision first. Maybe when he sees this post I'll > get an ear full > > Is this a scientific test? I think not, but it should make every one on > this list take a real hard look at mineral oil, or if they just want to > donate some more money to the chemical people. Also I been able to > purchase alot of bee equipment for 10 cents on the dollar because of the > mites, it is to my disadvantage to share this with any body, I like > buying 15,000 20,000 dollar operations out for $1000. > > So if you continue to use apistan and are having heavy losses and want > out remmember me. > > Elroy > > Article 11586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:15:03 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <351C7947.A538C0B@ix.netcom.com> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> <6fhori$lt9$1@arlington.pe.net> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az9-09.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Mar 27 10:18:22 PM CST 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11586 Could you humor me, and aged person, and provide me with any evidence to support your suggestion? I am open to anything, however, just what is it about Top Bar Hives that is supposed to kill varoa? Thanks. Peter Amschel wrote: > We could all get rid of the Langstroth frame hives and go to Top Bar Hives. > Oh, but I forgot, all the beekeepers have all their money tied up in > Langstroth frames, Langstroth uncappers and Langstroth spinning extractors and > all the beekeeper supply companies have all their inventory dedicated to > Langstroth frames, Langstroth uncappers, Langstroth spinning extractors.... Article 11587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: Hive "playing dead" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <351B2975.F312C8FF@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <01bd5950$fce58d40$16218ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 52 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:21:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-33-22.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:21:07 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11587 > No bees guarding the entrances, no > buzzing sound when I whacked the side of the hive. Either dead , starving or freezing. > But just yesterday, when I want out to reduce the hives, clean the > bottom boards and check their numbers and feed levels (and fully > expected to bring home one dead empty hive) both were buzzing with > activity! As this is my first year and I haven't learned to distinguish > robbing flight patterns from foraging ones, I at first assumed that hive > A was taking advantage of the warm weather to rob a dead hive B. But > upon opening it up, I saw more bees than I ever expected to see in an > early-spring hive. Lots of activity at the front of the hive? More than others? If so it was being robbed out. >I reduced it to one hive body, but they're already a > bit crowded! Both hives had plenty of bees. Never ever ever reduce a hive that is growing, especially in the spring, you just offer them an excuse to swarm out. Next time you can pop the lid on that hive just after sun down, if there are a lot of bees inside, you have yourself a hive, check for eggs, larva & brood the next morning. > I do have one worry though... While I was preparing to close up hive A > (the one that looked healthy all winter) the bees began a furious > buzzing. I didn't notice a big change in their behavior, just in the > noise they were making. Could this be "roaring"? Does it mean I might > have squished the queen while closing up the hive? I hope not. You probably just made them mad as hell interrupting their afternoon :) the queen will usually run out of the light. To be sure always smoke the top of the hive body you are putting the new super on & the bottom of the super you are adding. > I'll check again in a few days and look for fresh eggs... it's probably > just new-beekeeper nerves. Try to avoid opening your hives up. Each time you pull frames from the brood chamber you run the risk of pinching the queen. Have Fun! Cevin Stewart Article 11588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernest Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee biology questions Date: 28 Mar 1998 09:13:40 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd596b$57cd7fa0$0d63afce@default> References: <351B022C.89B928D2@athens.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hdn87-155.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11588 While the Hive And Honeybee is a great book, I use it mainly as a reference. Very dry reading cover to cover. My I suggest something more along the lines of How to Keep Bees by Walter Kelly or Dadant's First Lessons in Beekeeping, they are both easy reads and under $5.00. Both of these books are classics and give a quick overview. The issues I have however, were before mites and unless they have been updated, your Hive and Honeybee will come in handy for that. Good luck and welcome...ernie -- E.L.Scofield Virginia Beach Honey Company > hope for them to accept their queen! It's all very exciting. And in > the meantime I have been skimming "The Hive and the Honeybee", and, Article 11590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!okra.negia.net!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cape Cod beginner Date: 28 Mar 1998 14:04:03 GMT Organization: NorthEast Georgia Internet Access Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd5a52$c19c3560$d5003dce@pettyben> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp14.negia.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11590 I have a friend whose father lives on Cape Cod- is there anyone in the area who keeps bees and will sell a hive and be willing to help with advice, etc.? please e-mail me with any info (and price). the father is 68 or so and has never kept bees before. I am thinking that it will be easier for him to buy an established hive or a nuc. any suggestions? Article 11591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping license? Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:13:12 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <351d200b.47624739@news.jps.net> References: <351AFA99.34107C1B@qnet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.54 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.225.54 Lines: 24 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!205.138.225.54 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11591 On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:02:18 -0800, M Tibbs wrote: Many areas of the US require a "beekeeping license", most of the time it includes a tax. Several states require registering locations and have rules and regulations as to how far apart they should be from neighboring beekeepers. Check with you local agricultural cops to be sure. Or do nothing and save a lot of hassle, most of the bee laws are written so you can keep you own bees on your own land but the bee cops may still want their pound of flesh to allow you to do this. the OLd Drone Los Banos, California http://209.076.50.54 Beekeeping News First >Does one need a beekeeping license to keep bees? > -Wes (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 11592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: 28 Mar 1998 16:25:28 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998032816252801.LAA15165@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11592 Sounds to me that we should all throw everything away, go to top bar hives and treat with nothing but mineral oil. Please, somewhere out there has to be someone with scientific data to back up these ideas, or to totally dispute these claims. By all means post the data that you described. I may not be a believer (yet) but I'm not so stupid as to listen to your ideas. Thanks for sharing. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 11593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:12:03 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <592ECC6099F53E7E.EB78E926A338BAA6.8C1524A4CD4AFB2D@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <6figlo$a49@library.airnews.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Mar 28 03:42:17 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: dal09-17.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11593 Seems like a couple of years ago, I was seeing a lot of hype from American bee researchers about this newly developed Varroa resistant bee. Had some kind of very scientific sounding name like, Y-RS19 (or some such, equally nebulous nomenclature) -- mainly what I recall, is the alternate and equally UNscientific name of 'Yugo' bee. Has it 'caught on' as a popular race of bees in America? (....and if not, why?). Article 11594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!167.142.225.6!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!not-for-mail From: Drox Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foul brood Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:43:20 -0600 Organization: Malfunction Junction Lines: 32 Message-ID: <351D6EF8.88FEF34A@hotmail.com> References: <6f9h82$8lr$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> <6fe0r8$mat$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <6fffov$41p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: desm-28-51.dialup.netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11594 jack_griffes@hotmail.com wrote: > As I understand things some TM resistant strains of AFB have already > been > identified in areas where improper dosing was used. The trick here is > it is > relatively easy to breed AFB resistant bees - which if you use them > require > NO drug usage for AFB prevention. It is not that easy to breed V-mite > > resistant bees - I know as we are working at it. In that light I see > AFB as > a Sunday picnic on a nice sunny day requiring only a occasional > mosquito > swatting while Varroa is more like a thunderstorm that might just > increase in > intensity. I dunno... The staying power of AFB has me worried. Unlike varroa, the spores of AFB can remain in equipment, combs, and honey even when there are no bees there. With varroa, at least one can re-use equipment from hives that the mites destroyed. With AFB, all that stuff has to be destroyed too (or, in the case of woodenware, boiled in lye water, which may be more costly than rebuilding new stuff anyway), as reusing it will just restart the cycle of infection. As TM-resistant AFB has been indentified in my state (Iowa) I would like to know more about these AFB-resistant bees. Which breeds are most resistant? -Drox Article 11595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.mad.ibernet.es!newsfeed.bcn.ibernet.es!news.bcn.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: "met" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: information about beekeeping Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:36:58 +0100 Organization: Unisource Espana NEWS SERVER Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6fgnv0$7tq$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp79.198.redestb.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11595 Hello I am beekeeper from Spain and I need information. My family have had bees for 20 years but always was like a hobby, now I want improve the bussiness, but I need information because in Spain there aren't nothing. I would like adress in Internet and I really like recive advises the people who know more than me. thanks. Article 11596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: ericzwicky@earthlink.net (Eric Zwicky) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee hazard? Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:29:13 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <351e666b.93963794@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.30.108.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11596 Hello, I am not an apiculturist, and if this is not the proper forum for my question, please excuse the error and point me in the right direction. I have two questions: My next-door neighbor asked if I had any objections to his impending bee-keeping project, and I said OK. But I have a few reservations. We have a 3-yr-old and a 6-yr-old, and a family history of bee allergy on their mother's side (their uncle). Our neighbor is a responsible PhD, and a professor at VCU, and has prior bee-keeping experience, so I suspect he knows what he's doing, but I want reassurance from some experts on any potential hazards for my kids. Secondly, for the past 3 years, there have been several large bees (I call them "queen bees", erroneously, I'm sure) hovering around our back porch, and going in and out of the tongue-and-groove porch ceiling. They seem unperturbable, and non-aggressive, but Evan (the 6-yr-old) is quite worried about them. Every so often, I find little "splats" of an orange, powdery substance which has fallen from the entrance to whatever they're building up there. Anything to worry about here? Thanks in advance for your time and advice, Eric Zwicky Eric Zwicky Technical Manager, Comcast Richmond, VA http://home.earthlink.net/~ericzwicky/ Article 11597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "dbolton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking For Beekeepers in Santa Fe, NM area Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:46:12 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6fm3ok$7k5@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sfe-nm1-10.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Mar 29 10:26:28 AM PST 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11597 Hi, I am looking to get in touch with some beekeepers in the Santa Fe, NM area. I have recently relocated here and wish to start up my hives again. I haven't located anyone here and want to find out about some local laws and registering hives/locations. I kept 20+ hives in WA, State and would like to get a few going here. I love the hobby and wish to continue it very much. Thanks in advance for any help I could get from the group. Danny Article 11598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 07:50:26 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <351E6DC2.428B@juno.com> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> <6fhori$lt9$1@arlington.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2288@205.216.79.141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11598 it is not inconceivable that honeybees might survive varroa mites without treatment in certain scenarios, although still highly unlikely in most of north america where the host/parasite relationship is quite unevolved...there appear to be some stocks/strains of bees that can tolerate/resist mites (eg,africanized)...there are anecdotal reports that hot/arid conditions (eg,deserts) are not optimal for varroa survival...swarming (or splitting) seems to set mites back due to a break in breeding cycles... it may be that bees kept in an unsupered top-bar hive (limited space can lead to swarming) in an africanized desert region would have some survival advantage...a somewhat similar strategy used by the lusby's, arizona beekeepers,is documented in the jan.'98 issue of "bee culture": http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/98jan/98jan.html Article 11599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee hazard? Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 07:05:41 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <351E6345.752@juno.com> References: <351e666b.93963794@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 29919@205.216.79.100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Eric Zwicky Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11599 re: possible bee sting hypersensitivity,you can have your kids checked out by an allergist, who should also be able to desensitize them if necessary/desired; often people mistake normal immune response for allergy, but keeping a sting kit around (anakit or epipen, available only by prescription) should be proactive enough in a worse case scenario... if the beekeeper is consciencious/competent, there should be no problem, but common sense is still advised (ie, no barefeet in yard if there's clover or some other bloom the bees might be working, no throwing rocks/sticks at the hive,etc.). re: the bees you describe (bumblebee lookalikes,~1"in size,black with some yellow?) are likely carpenter bees, solitary but gregarious nesters in wood (supposedly cause no structural damage), native pollinators, appear around march for mating rituals, disappear until september only to repeat cycle, males(white dot on head) hover territorially and buzz intimidatingly but have no stinger, females bore holes for brood rearing and can sting if provoked but not likely to be encountered incidentally. encourage your kids to respect hymenopterans, not fear them, and help them to appreciate their keystone ecological role by understanding their nature (defensive usually only of their nests)! Article 11600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peernews.ftech.net!pavilion!not-for-mail From: "S NEWPORT" <@pavilion.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Web Site Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:05:25 +0100 Organization: Pavilion Internet's Customer USENET Server. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6fmcqi$fek$1@zebedee.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2-02.pavilion.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11600 Where is the Web site for this discussion group ? Article 11601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: ericzwicky@earthlink.net (Eric Zwicky) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks for the replies! Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:27:50 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <351eae79.112412239@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.30.108.192 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11601 Wow! Posted a question this morning, 4 hours later got 3 replies by e-mail!. I'm going out of town for 5 days, but welcome any more replies. Thanks again, Eric Eric Zwicky Technical Manager, Comcast Richmond, VA http://home.earthlink.net/~ericzwicky/ Article 11602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <592ECC6099F53E7E.EB78E926A338BAA6.8C1524A4CD4AFB2D@library-proxy.airnews.net> Organization: LIFT, Inc. Message-ID: <01bd5b79$68288ba0$3610bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 7 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:18:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs4-06.eph.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:18:31 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11602 The "Yugo" was purported to be resistant to tracheal mites, and it may be to some degree. However, from what I've read the performance hasn't met the expectations. For my money the Buckfast bee can't be beat. I haven't tried them all though! Article 11603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Russell T. Sears" Subject: Re: Spring medication applications Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bd59f8$c22e0800$092719ce@trhowell.e-tex.com> Organization: LIFT, Inc. Message-ID: <01bd5b79$c4627840$3610bacc@beehive> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:21:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs4-06.eph.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:21:06 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11603 Q: In what part of the world do you live? I'm in central Pennsylvania. I give my bees a couple of dustings of Terra-brood in the spring, well before any honeyflow. I've never used Fumidil; just can't bring myself to pay for it. Apistan goes on early August when MY honey comes off. The bees keep the rest and enter winter weighing a ton (usually, if all goes well). Article 11604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!hyperion.triode.net.au!not-for-mail From: fredg@triode.net.au Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey for sale Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:58:48 GMT Organization: Triode Internet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6fmumm$8q9$1@hyperion.triode.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-15.triode.net.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11604 Gooday, we have got about one hundred 1kg tubs of honey for sale here. We are asking $A3.00 for each tub. If anyone is interested then please phone: 041 6 349 487. We are in Sydney Australia. Article 11605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apivar Date: 30 Mar 1998 02:46:39 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998033002463901.VAA17868@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3517874D.D580DE8@se.bel.alcatel.be> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11605 Apivar is a plastic strip with 5% amitraz chemical. Upon manufacturing it slowly brakes down into three elements, 1 is toxic to honey bees, 2 is cancer causing and the 3rd is not known to cause problems. There should be an expiration date on the package so one knows when the strips have to be used before the toxins build up to much and cause bee losses. Why has there been a change from Apistan to Apivar? I know just a few years ago (1994 in the US, earlier in Eurpoe) the active ingeredient in apistan had been changed. Fluvalinate was changed by removing 2 of the 4 isomers used to make it. Since then the zip seems to have gone from Apistan to kill the varroa mites. Miksahf@aol.com.us Article 11606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VARROA RESISTANT 'YUGO' BEE? Date: 29 Mar 1998 12:06:03 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6fldfb$r4v$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <592ECC6099F53E7E.EB78E926A338BAA6.8C1524A4CD4AFB2D@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11606 In article <592ECC6099F53E7E.EB78E926A338BAA6.8C1524A4CD4AFB2D@library-proxy.airnews.net>, BusyKnight wrote: > >Seems like a couple of years ago, I was seeing a lot of >hype from American bee researchers about this newly >developed Varroa resistant bee. It was tolerant to treacheal mites. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup (was Re: American foul brood) Date: 30 Mar 1998 00:41:53 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6fmpoh$c8b$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6fe0r8$mat$1@netnews.upenn.edu> < > <199803261940.UAA08207@china.netassist.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Summary: Anonymous Usenet posting is somewhat anti-social, did you know? Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11607 In article <199803261940.UAA08207@china.netassist.se>, Anonymous wrote: Hi. An aside from AFB for a second, how about posting your articles non-anonymously. Your anonymous post is regarded as somewhat anti-social. Back to AFB and stuff. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!brokaw.wa.com!blv-pm101-ip9.halcyon.com!user From: faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old honey any good? Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:47:39 -0800 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: blv-pm101-ip9.halcyon.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11608 Last fall I harvested a couple of deep frames of honey from my backyard hive of Italians. I left most of the honey in the hive for the bees to use during the winter. In December the colony died off, perhaps because they had lost their queen; I had counted a very small amount of brood when I harvested the honey in early October and I was unable to find the queen. I am rebuilding my hive stands and today disassembled the hive I harvested last fall. There were several full frames of capped honey in top super, the honey I had left for the bees. The combs were clean with no dead bees on them. My question is, should this honey be safe to extract and use after sitting in the hive all winter, or should I play it safe and discard it? Thank you for your input. C. Marin Faure author, Flying A Floatplane Article 11609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news1.best.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:48:54 +0200 Message-ID: <199803300448.GAA00582@base.xs4all.nl> From: Anonymous Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Subject: Old honey any good? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11609 faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure) wrote: > >Last fall I harvested a couple of deep frames of honey from my backyard >hive of Italians. I left most of the honey in the hive for the bees to use >during the winter. In December the colony died off, perhaps because they >had lost their queen; I had counted a very small amount of brood when I >harvested the honey in early October and I was unable to find the queen. >I am rebuilding my hive stands and today disassembled the hive I harvested >last fall. There were several full frames of capped honey in top super, >the honey I had left for the bees. The combs were clean with no dead bees >on them. My question is, should this honey be safe to extract and use >after sitting in the hive all winter, or should I play it safe and discard >it? Thank you for your input. > >C. Marin Faure > author, Flying A Floatplane > You should send this honey to me, and I will dispose of it properly! :-Þ Article 11610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:48:50 +0200 Message-ID: <199803300448.GAA00576@base.xs4all.nl> From: Anonymous Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6fmpoh$c8b$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11610 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam "Netcop" Finkelstein) inscribed on the bottom of a potato that looked like Jesus: > >In article <199803261940.UAA08207@china.netassist.se>, >Anonymous wrote: > >Hi. An aside from AFB for a second, how about posting your articles >non-anonymously. Your anonymous post is regarded as somewhat >anti-social. > >Back to AFB and stuff. > >Adam Well, Mr. UsenetNazi, that's just truth in advertising, because, you see, I am antisocial. :-Þ Stop me before I post again!! AAAAARRRRRGH! Article 11611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Kidney John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Old honey any good? Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:12:44 +0100 Lines: 35 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-197.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <351f46dc.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm1-197.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11611 C. Marin Faure wrote in message ... >Last fall I harvested a couple of deep frames of honey from my backyard >hive of Italians. I left most of the honey in the hive for the bees to use >during the winter. In December the colony died off, perhaps because they >had lost their queen; I had counted a very small amount of brood when I >harvested the honey in early October and I was unable to find the queen. >I am rebuilding my hive stands and today disassembled the hive I harvested >last fall. There were several full frames of capped honey in top super, >the honey I had left for the bees. The combs were clean with no dead bees >on them. My question is, should this honey be safe to extract and use >after sitting in the hive all winter, or should I play it safe and discard >it? Thank you for your input. > >C. Marin Faure > author, Flying A Floatplane If it kwas capped, it should be ok, though it may be crystallised and would be difficult to extract. Though pressing or melting should solve that. Taste a little (wax and all!) to see what it`s like. Kidney John kj@gemini.nildramnilspam.co.uk !Anarchy,! `FOADD`, the only magazine to be edited by a dog! !Satire, &! Coming Soon (exclamation mark ) Miss it not (ditto) !Robby,! http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~gnimmelf !the 3-legged dog! Article 11613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT 2nd letter Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:24:41 -0600 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 131 Message-ID: <351FE362.246C3920@starpoint.net> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.79 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11613 I had several emails that requested more info on my treatment, instead of sending to each i thought it best to let all have option to see. Subject: FGMO treatment Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:33:11 -0600 From: Elroy Rogers Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Hi fellow Beekeepers, As requested I am sending this email I wrote to a beekeeper asking how I treated for V-mites, below is the 20 second treatment. As mentioned in an earlier post this process did stand up to comparison test with Apistan. I broke the top of the sprayer I used last year, but it was a gallon sprayer that you can purchase at any garden shop for around $20. I since bought a new one at Walmart (I hate to send any body to that over sized flee market) for $7, it is a 2.5 pint sprayer with a pump on top for pumping pressure into it. Basically one of those 1 pint finger trigger pump bottles will work also and only cost $1. But if you got a lot of colonies as I do you can not waste any time. All I did was use 3 cups water to 3cups sugar, you can put the dry sugar right in the sprayer for mixing if you want, and add 4 oz of mineral oil. That is it sounds to simple doesn't it. The trick though is to shake the mixture very hard for at least 2 minutes, you need the mineral oil to get suspended with the sugar water. I shake it for a few seconds after a couple of treatments. You can not spray mineral oil out of a spray bottle in a mist you must dilute it down, and it won't mix with straight water I even tried in a blender for 5 minutes. All you have to do is walk up to the front of the colony once a week, best in the morning just as the scout bees are out, spray the front of the colony and floor and watch what happens. The bees are all just chomping at the bit to get foraging, they crawl out and eat all this syrup in a few minutes. Now that doesn't sound like it would even work, but as Dr Pedro has said only a trace has to come in contact with the mites to kill them. Since you had suspended the oil into the sugar water before spraying that is all it takes. Now remmember these bees have probably spent a lot of time curing yesturdays nectar flow, and I'll bet the first food supply to enter the colony each day gets consumed by the larvae. Well guess who could very well be having a good time sucking the life out of those larvae, there is no safe place for those mites once you get oil into the food chain. I know some people are not sure if the mineral oil could damage the wax later or get into the honey. If you think of the very small amount that gets into the colony and only once a week, I don't think they could find a trace of it. Please don't take this as the gospel truth, treat your colonies with apistan this spring, then do an ether roll see how many mites are left. Then buy the the $1 spray bottle and try it on 1 colony for a month then do another ether roll, if you try it and see the results you will never treat with apistan again. This will seem like it is not working for the first two weeks, but don't stop must follow through. Treat once a week for at least 1 month before results can be seen. If you want to see real fast results then tear the colony down spraying all combs and bees with the mixture, I think it should be warm though, the bees will clean them selves free of mite immedately because you just sprayed sugar water with oil on them. This kills all mites on contact, because they breathe through their outer layer. This plugs up the pores and suffacates the poor things. Until you get the hang of doing this I would not do the later, too much mineral oil on you bees will kill them. I would hate to see that happen and you report on the list that this treatment just wiped out a colony. Well thats it have fun Elroy P. s. I didn't mention when you get the mixture shaken enough it will turn cloudy, and it will separate in minutes after shaking. So you must keep shaking other wise mineral oil will be at the top and come out last and kill some bees when your spray bottle starts to empty out. Put some mineral oil on a couple of bees so you can see what they look like when this happens, they look wet and dance around alot. Article 11614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: CORNELL UNIVERSITY STOCK IMPROVEMANT PROGRAM Date: 30 Mar 1998 19:52:02 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 46 Message-ID: <6fot52$goi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Summary: via bee-l and Aaron Morris who is as busy as any bee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11614 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:53:06 EST From: Aaron Morris Subject: Cornell Stock Improvement Program - calling all queens! I received a request to post the following program announcement from Cornell University. You may have seen this published in ABJ or Bee Culture, and in an attempt to reach as wide an audience as possible it is included here on BEE-L. This program may be a candidate for inclusion on Andy's top ten list. The potential for results is high provided the beekeeping community provides the requested input. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! CORNELL UNIVERSITY STOCK IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM Cornell University is establishing a honey bee stock improvement program. The long-term goal is to develop stocks of honey bees that can serve as sources for breeder queens for commercial queen producers. To achieve this goal, it is necessary to evaluate bees from as many different sources as possible. The best queens for initial screening are naturally-mated, supercedure queens or naturally-mated queens that you reared yourself. I would like to start by screening workers from 150 - 200 different sources representing as many different geographical regions throughout the country as possible. If you would like to donate 1 or 2 HIGH QUALITY QUEENS reared this spring or sometime last year, please contact Dyce Laboratory for Honey Bee Studies at 607-255-5443. Leave a message and your call will be returned. BE SURE TO LEAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AS WELL AS YOUR CITY AND STATE. your city and state. Target shipping dates are April 15th through May 15th. Your support is very important and deeply appreciated. **************************************** * Nicholas W. Calderone * * Assistant Professor of Apiculture * * Department of Entomology * * Comstock Hall * * Cornell University * * Ithaca, NY 14853 * **************************************** -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foul brood Date: 30 Mar 1998 18:12:58 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6fonba$dgb$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6f9h82$8lr$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> <6fffov$41p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <351D6EF8.88FEF34A@hotmail.com> <351FD6AA.352CB71A@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11615 In article <351FD6AA.352CB71A@ne.mediaone.net>, Kathy wrote: (Kathy's AFB stuff deleted) Seeing varying stages of AFB as a bee inspector and even a beekeeper, the underlying consistency is that if one removes the source of the disease: the spores in the comb, one will not continue to have AFB problems. The standard recommendation for AFB is: 1. shake bees onto clean frames with foundation 2. Scorch boxes with heat until the wood begins to blacken. 3. Either burn, or scald/soak frames, after removing the wax. Since AFB really sets one back, burning frames was always the recommendation most often given--sure it takes awhile to make new frames, but isn't that better than having AFB again? There are a few frame bath recipes on the net: try http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/general/management/disease/frame_bath.txt and see if you want to salvage your frames. Point: sure hygenic behavior is great for possible varroa tolerance, and even for AFB, but remember that to select effectively for any desirable trait, one needs to utilize a huge population. The larger the population, the more chance for success. AFB caveat: don't use used frames unless you are prepared to deal with AFB. Used boxes are fine if you scorch them, for safety, but used frames are a gamble. Happy trails, Your resident "Usenet cop". Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jamesr@pe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:53:10 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6fot54$ulu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6fmpoh$c8b$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <199803300448.GAA00576@base.xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.25.55.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Mar 30 19:53:10 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11616 > > Well, Mr. UsenetNazi, that's just truth in advertising, because, > you see, I am antisocial. :-Þ > > Stop me before I post again!! AAAAARRRRRGH! > I agree with Adams position but support "anons" right to privacy. In that spirit, I have included him in my killfile. Jim. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 11617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: "George Stewart" Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> <6fos5d$etm$1@netnews.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <01bd5c2a$12785620$83038ed1@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:19:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-3-131.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:19:56 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11617 The Studies which were documented used hives from the same area with 3 to 5 different control groups. control group 1-no treatment control group 2-apistan control group 3-apistan & oils control group 4-oils control group 5-formic acid All of the tests confirmed that control group 2 was the only group that showed any significant mite reduction. Each of these groups had varying infestation so the test was not geared to one certain group. I'll see if I can dig up the literature, scan it & post it for you. These tests were performed by scientists at universities from Georgia to to BC. Make your own conclusions but if you follow the instructions on meds they will work properly. Leaving the strips in for months is what has caused this problem. Article 11618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!ns.egyptian.net!not-for-mail From: "For Sale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Illinois Farm - 190+ Acres Date: 30 Mar 1998 23:10:13 GMT Organization: a Digital Internet AlphaServer Site Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd5c30$7ef34660$83ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp01-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11618 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. Call 618-826-3300 colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 11619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01bd59f8$c22e0800$092719ce@trhowell.e-tex.com> Subject: Re: Spring medication applications Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:01:37 -0500 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.30.20 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.30.20 Message-ID: <351ff9f2.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.161.30.20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11619 Well..you might try :http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ there is a complete listing of ALL medications . -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Valued Gateway Customer wrote in message <01bd59f8$c22e0800$092719ce@trhowell.e-tex.com>... >I need to know what medications to start my first ever hives with during >the next couple of weeks? > Article 11620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:20:46 +0200 Message-ID: <199803310220.EAA00811@base.xs4all.nl> From: Anonymous Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6fot54$ulu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11620 jamesr@pe.net could stand the agony no longer and could not stop himself from saying... >I agree with Adams position but support "anons" right to privacy. In >that spirit, I have included him in my killfile. > >Jim. > I'm crushed! But at least I shall have to hear from one less idiot in the future! :-Þ Say, you guys don't get out much, do you? Do you imagine that if jim@idiot.org makes a post here that it is guaranteed to come from a guy named Jim at idiot.org? A post that frankly states that it is anonymous is much more honest than the forged headers you apparently would be quite content to see. So blow it out your piehole, Jimbo. You too, Herr Finkelstein. Article 11621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:17:13 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6fq1lu$9a8$2@lasierra.pe.net> References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> <1998032816252801.LAA15165@ladder01.news.aol.com> <351FF63E.E9B98955@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp13.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11621 In article >What would indicate that a top bar >hive would be more effective in varroa control?? > The big difference is in the ten sheets of foundation wax in the Langstroth frames. In the TBH, the bees start out in a conical mass just like in a wild swarm. In the Langstroth hive, a person has to remove a few frames to have room to pour the bees into hive. There is no way they can all hang together in a group in the Langstroth. The theory is that in the Langstroth frame the bees are all separated off from one another right from the start by these foundation sheets so that it is hard for them to police one another for mites. Do you believe that bees police one another for mites like monkeys police one another for insects? Article 11622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: information about beekeeping Date: 30 Mar 1998 14:21:05 GMT Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 1 Message-ID: <01bd5be7$453adb20$5adafcc1@toshiba> References: <6fgnv0$7tq$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: peri3-90.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11622 See http://www.beekeeping.org Article 11623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: 31 Mar 1998 11:41:03 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6fqkof$15j$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6fot54$ulu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <199803310220.EAA00811@base.xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11623 In article <199803310220.EAA00811@base.xs4all.nl>, Anonymous wrote: > >Say, you guys don't get out much, do you? Do you imagine >that if jim@idiot.org makes a post here that it is guaranteed >to come from a guy named Jim at idiot.org? A post that frankly >states that it is anonymous is much more honest than the >forged headers you apparently would be quite content to see. > >So blow it out your piehole, Jimbo. You too, Herr Finkelstein. Heheh you're really flame-baiting aren't you d00d? Trolling and flame-baiting a beekeeping newsgroup. _You_ sound like the epitome of someone "who needs to get out". The point of asking you to not post anonymously is so that others might know where you're from, with reference to beekeeping. You know, the subject of the charter of this newsgroup? So again, I'll ask you if you'd please not post to this group anonymously. Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: 31 Mar 1998 14:41:07 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6fqva3$eme$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <6fot54$ulu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <199803310220.EAA00811@base.xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11624 Well, at least we have a sense of humor about the whole thing! Just out of curiousity (and I really don't have a problem with anonymous postings as long as the content is in sync with the newsgroup charter) what IS your purpose of posting anonymously? One of the advantages of posting with a name (even a fictitious one) is that one gets a sense of the personality and perspective of the poster(s) over the years - as well as their credibility. So without really voicing a vote on the anon issue or your option to do so, I'm wondering why you are doing so... Anyway, I'm getting a sense of some aspects of your personality... sounds like a beekeeper to me... ;) Dave T. Article 11625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:39:39 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 35 Message-ID: <35210E3B.6BF4084B@ne.mediaone.net> References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> <1998032816252801.LAA15165@ladder01.news.aol.com> <351FF63E.E9B98955@ne.mediaone.net> <6fq1lu$9a8$2@lasierra.pe.net> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11625 Peter Amschel wrote: > In article > > >What would indicate that a top bar > >hive would be more effective in varroa control?? > > > The big difference is in the ten sheets of foundation wax in the > Langstroth > frames. In the TBH, the bees start out in a conical mass just like in > a wild > swarm. In the Langstroth hive, a person has to remove a few frames to > have > room to pour the bees into hive. There is no way they can all hang > together > in a group in the Langstroth. The theory is that in the Langstroth > frame the > bees are all separated off from one another right from the start by > these > foundation sheets so that it is hard for them to police one another > for mites. > Do you believe that bees police one another for mites like monkeys > police one > another for insects? That's only true when bees are first installed into a top bar hive. Once the comb is drawn and the brood is being reared, honey stored etc. the top bar hive's bee space is identical to a Langstroth hive (or any other hive which makes use of 4 sided frames and foundation). Also, while this grooming behaviour has been observed in african apis mellifera and in apis cerana, I believe that it has rarely if ever been observed in european apis melifera. Kathy Article 11626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: 31 Mar 1998 19:00:45 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6fregt$6pb$1@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> <6fos5d$etm$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bd5c2a$12785620$83038ed1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11626 George Stewart (geostew@inreach.com) wrote: : The Studies which were documented used hives from the same area with 3 to 5 : different control groups. : control group 1-no treatment : control group 2-apistan : control group 3-apistan & oils : control group 4-oils : control group 5-formic acid : All of the tests confirmed that control group 2 was the only group that : showed any significant mite reduction. Each of these groups had varying : infestation so the test was not geared to one certain group. I'll see if I : can dig up the literature, scan it & post it for you. These tests were : performed by scientists at universities from Georgia to to BC. Make your : own conclusions but if you follow the instructions on meds they will work : properly. Leaving the strips in for months is what has caused this problem. -- George, Digging up the studies would be great! I'm sure many of us will be interested in seeing them. DT Article 11627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:53:24 -0600 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 42 Message-ID: <352157C0.1B81E705@starpoint.net> References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> <1998032816252801.LAA15165@ladder01.news.aol.com> <351FF63E.E9B98955@ne.mediaone.net> <6fq1lu$9a8$2@lasierra.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11627 Peter, I wrote in a few lines below. Peter Amschel wrote: > In article > > >What would indicate that a top bar > >hive would be more effective in varroa control?? > > > The big difference is in the ten sheets of foundation wax in the Langstroth > frames. In the TBH, the bees start out in a conical mass just like in a wild > swarm. If you are correct why are all the wild swarms dead in most parts of the USA and Canada. Kathy is correct once the bees fill the area with comb they have comb barriers in between them from then on. If yor bees do have this hygenic behavor, that is clean themselves from mites, then save us all from the mites. Have your bees tested by a bee inspector and if it is true you should be able to sell this hive of bees to a bee breeder. The Breeder can then sell us all these hygenic bees so we no longer have to spend a lot of time and effort battling this pest. > In the Langstroth hive, a person has to remove a few frames to have > room to pour the bees into hive. There is no way they can all hang together > in a group in the Langstroth. The theory is that in the Langstroth frame the > bees are all separated off from one another right from the start by these > foundation sheets so that it is hard for them to police one another for mites. > Do you believe that bees police one another for mites like monkeys police one > another for insects? I do believe the bees do clean themselves and each other some but not enough to rid themselves of the mites. If this is your 2nd or 3rd year you maybe in for a surprise, this is the time frame when most colonies colapse form the v-mites. Do your neighbor beekeeper a favor and test your bees and then treat them for mites if they need it. If you do have bees with those most sought after hygenic behavor they could make you very rich. It is irresposible for you or anyone else to have bees and not have them tested for V-mites at least once a year. Elroy Article 11628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: carlbfish@aol.com (CarlB fish) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where Can I get Midnight Bees? Date: 31 Mar 1998 23:33:13 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998033123331300.SAA14374@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11628 The other day I saw some discussions on the midnight strain of honeybee.Good or bad... I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find a reputable source for this strain??!!.....remember when Sears and Roebuck used to carry these !? Article 11629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!katana!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3521707D.D9DC88CA@mis.net> From: michael Reply-To: mfsnky@mis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> <6fos5d$etm$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bd5c2a$12785620$83038ed1@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:39:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.28.32.67 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:39:02 PST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11629 George Stewart wrote : >The Studies which were documented used hives from the same area with 3 to 5 >different control groups. >control group 1-no treatment >control group 2-apistan >control group 3-apistan & oils >control group 4-oils >control group 5-formic acid >All of the tests confirmed that control group 2 was the only group that >showed any significant mite reduction. Are you saying that the oils in group #3 canceled out the apistan ? Article 11630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!titan.oit.unc.edu!usenet From: adamf@titan.oit.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: 31 Mar 1998 20:22:35 -0500 Organization: SunSITE UNC-CH Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6fs4sr$sc2@titan.oit.unc.edu> References: <351C79F7.37AD9F05@starpoint.net> <351FF63E.E9B98955@ne.mediaone.net> <6fq1lu$9a8$2@lasierra.pe.net> <35210E3B.6BF4084B@ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11630 In article <35210E3B.6BF4084B@ne.mediaone.net>, Kathy wrote: >Also, while >this grooming behaviour has been observed in african apis mellifera and >in apis cerana, I believe that it has rarely if ever been observed in >european apis melifera. In the Summer of 1995 I tested colonies for grooming. Colonies of "varroa chewing" bees and regular yellow American Italians had sticky boards covered with wire mesh placed in front of them for three days. Mites were counted and the number of mites damaged by chewing or other mechanical means was recorded. Guess what? All the colonies tested had mechanically damaged varroa found on the sticky boards. The mite, once on the bee, somehow becomes undetectable by other bees. Also, the host bee has a hard time feeling the mite. If you nudge a phoretic varroa mite, it will move and then the host bee usually tries to groom. Hopefully a combination of hygienic behavior, earlier development time and grooming will be found in the Apis mellifera population. Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Article 11631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:38:38 +0200 Message-ID: <199804010038.CAA00258@base.xs4all.nl> From: Anonymous Comments: Please report problems with this automated remailing service to . The message sender's identity is unknown, unlogged, and not replyable. Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6fqkof$15j$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 64 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11631 Well, Herr Finkelstein, I explained the logic of why you have no basis for a complaint as well as I am going to. You're lucky you even got that much, because as a matter of fact, I don't need to explain anything to you. I don't need to show you my "papers". Verstehen? On the contrary, it is your explanation below that is deficient. Let's say for the sake of argument that my ISP is netcom, and if I wanted to make a "non-anonymous" post it would be from myrealname@ix.netcom.com. Now what would that tell you or anyone else about my location, or beekeeping skill? Attempting to justify your absurd position by saying that it's "so that others might know where you're from, with reference to beekeeping" proves you to be either stupid, or a liar. If you're that upset about it, change to a moderated format. If you set yourself up as moderator, then you can play censor and netcop to your little heart's content. But until that time, why not conserve bandwidth and shut yer yap about this? Fever wracked adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam "Netcop" Finkelstein), his burning brain causing him to cry out: >In article <199803310220.EAA00811@base.xs4all.nl>, >Anonymous wrote: >> >>Say, you guys don't get out much, do you? Do you imagine > >>that if jim@idiot.org makes a post here that it is guaranteed > >>to come from a guy named Jim at idiot.org? A post that frankly >>states that it is anonymous is much more honest than the >>forged headers you apparently would be quite content to see. >> >>So blow it out your piehole, Jimbo. You too, Herr Finkelstein. > >Heheh you're really flame-baiting aren't you d00d? Trolling and flame-baiting >a >beekeeping newsgroup. _You_ sound like the epitome of someone "who needs to >get >out". > >The point of asking you to not post anonymously is so that others might >know where you're from, with reference to beekeeping. You know, the subject >of >the charter of this newsgroup? So again, I'll ask you if you'd please not >post >to this group anonymously. > >Thanks, >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vt.edu >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 11632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Kathy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: American foul brood Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:30:18 -0500 Organization: Red Maple Farm Lines: 63 Message-ID: <351FD6AA.352CB71A@ne.mediaone.net> References: <6f9h82$8lr$1@news.latrobe.edu.au> <6fe0r8$mat$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <6fffov$41p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <351D6EF8.88FEF34A@hotmail.com> Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net NNTP-Posting-Host: beesbest.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11632 Drox, While you are right that the spores have staying power in the materials that they are found (the wood,wax & honey), those materials do not need to have staying power in your hive. It is totally the choice of the beekeeper whether or not a colony continues to have *significant* exposure to AFB. If a beekeeper is paying close enough attention to her/his colonies, AFB is easily identifiable and treatable. As Jack Griffes mentions, both Gamma radiation and scorching kills AFB spores on woodenware. Gamma radiation will also kill the AFB spores in the comb, though I understand that it must be empty comb.. no honey. In both instances one would not want to keep any of the brood from the infected colony. Further feeding of terramyacin to the adult bees (in sugar syrup to stimulate drawing the foundation and the embedding of what spores these adult bees may be carrying into the wax comb) is effective at eliminating AFB from the colony. Studies and general practice have established that AFB spores imbedded in wax have little/no effect on a colony's health... just how many AFB spores do you think might be in the foundation you purchased?? I agree with Jack that AFB is a walk in the park compared to varroa mites... even with terramyacin resistant strains of AFB beginning to appear. In the U.S., we have Apistan resistant varroa, problems with the delivery system for formic acid (so it's not likely to be approved), and some other possibility that is rumored to be in trials on bees on the orange flow this spring... what are we going to do? BTW, the AFB-resistant bees are bees that have been bred for hygenic behaviour. There is no breed that is consistantly hygenic, as it is a recessive trait (remember beginning biology? When Brown eyes are dominant and blue eyes are recessive, two brown eyed parents who each have the recessive blue eyed gene only have a one in four chance to produce a blue eyed child?). Hygenic behaviour is a constant evaluating and breeding process.. Kathy thinking that this is yet another reason we ought to be breeding more of our own queens... Drox wrote: > I dunno... The staying power of AFB has me worried. Unlike varroa, > the > spores of AFB can remain in equipment, combs, and honey even when > there > are no bees there. With varroa, at least one can re-use equipment > from > hives that the mites destroyed. With AFB, all that stuff has to be > destroyed too (or, in the case of woodenware, boiled in lye water, > which > may be more costly than rebuilding new stuff anyway), as reusing it > will > just restart the cycle of infection. > > As TM-resistant AFB has been indentified in my state (Iowa) I would > like to know more about these AFB-resistant bees. Which breeds are > most > resistant? > > -Drox Article 11633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: carlbfish@aol.com (CarlB fish) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The wood preservative question Date: 31 Mar 1998 23:25:58 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998033123255801.SAA15740@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3513FD3F.1C0@cdsnet.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11633 >If the JASCO is no good, can anyone suggest brand names, >so I can shop for this with a bit more confidence? I like to use plain 'ol exterior latex paint ( any brand) ,most commercial beekeepers I know have been using white exterior grade latex paint. Its relatively non-toxic to both bees and beekeeper. For my Home /hobby hives I like the natural appearance of wood. Ive been using a new water base exterior varnish from Varathane under the brand name of ' diamond finish' . It looks great and dries in two hours !...thats if you like the natural look. Article 11634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "Ian Lawson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax Lip Balm Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:51:31 -0000 Organization: IL Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6fomeg$2ao$1@heliodor.xara.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.26.243 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11634 Please, does anyone have a recipe for Lip Balm/Lip Moisturiser, using Beeswax and/or Honey? Thanks, Alison Lawson. Article 11635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.xnet.com!ais.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:12:34 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35219481.89A09D40@valley.net> References: <6fot54$ulu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <199803310220.EAA00811@base.xs4all.nl> <6fqkof$15j$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-207.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11635 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > Heheh you're really flame-baiting aren't you d00d? Trolling and flame-baiting a > beekeeping newsgroup. _You_ sound like the epitome of someone "who needs to get > out". > > The point of asking you to not post anonymously is so that others might > know where you're from, with reference to beekeeping. You know, the subject of > the charter of this newsgroup? So again, I'll ask you if you'd please not post > to this group anonymously. > > Thanks, > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vt.edu > http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf noble effort, adam, but don't waste yer fingers typing over it. btw, without making any comments, either politically correct or incorrect, regarding matters of sex, race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, intelligence, age, height, weight, hair length, political leanings, social strata, economic level, voting record, criminal record, musical taste, body piercings, tattoos, facial hair, body hair, education, residence, mode of transportation, drug use, or position in the ongoing debate between creationism and darwinism and the impact of the recent fossil discovery in italy on same, i wish to point out the not-so-subtle irony of associating the term nazi with the name finkelstein. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 Article 11636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.147.221.37!news.xnet.com!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!not-for-mail From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More anonymous postings to our fair newsgroup Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:47:22 -0600 Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Lines: 24 Sender: reguser@144.92.72.13 Message-ID: <35219CAA.5CD9A1D5@facstaff.wisc.edu> References: <6fqkof$15j$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <199804010038.CAA00258@base.xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.92.72.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11636 Anonymous wrote: This whole thing is amazing - I don't think I have ever seen this level of conflict in this newsgroup. While it might strike some as odd that this individual posts anonymously, it is his/her right to do so. I too have a natural distrust of anonymous posters - perhaps because there seems to be a higher percentage of spam and off topic posts and flames from anonymous accounts - maybe it is like conversing with someone with a mask on, I don't know - but if he/she is talking bees, we should all just get over it. FWIW Mr. Anonymous - Adam has been polite here, you might choose to follow suit. Keith Article 11637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: beeman@kingston.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: essential oils Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:34:08 -0800 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3521D1D0.C7D@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 63-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11637 There has been alot of discussion about Varroa mite treatment. Specifically the concern about tolerance that appears to be occuring with Apistan. I have also read alot about essential oil treatment delivered by grease patty and syrup. The essential oils seem to be gravitating towards the mint family. What would happen if you planted mint around the vacinity of the hives? Would the bees get any benefit of varroa protection from the mint in the nectar? Even if it was not enough by its self, wouldn't combining the two be beneficial? I have a good size mint patch growing outside my garden. The stuff comes up every where so its definitely not hard to grow. My bees where in it for a long time. I wasn't really paying attention at the time as to exactly how long the mint bloomed. I will this year. I don't think it is realistic to have enough mint to affect the flavour of the honey. Does anyone know for sure what it is about the mint oils that kills the mites? Looking forward to answers and opinions. Article 11638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VAROA TREATEMENT Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 02:44:07 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6fs9ic$jo$1@market.pe.net> References: <6ehrtg$gld$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6ffb0d$qeg2@athserv.otenet.gr> <01bd5952$12414660$16218ed1@default> <6fos5d$etm$1@netnews.upenn.edu> <01bd5c2a$12785620$83038ed1@default> <6fregt$6pb$1@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp85.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11638 In article <6 >George Stewart (geostew@inreach.com) wrote: > >>: control group 1-no treatment >: control group 2-apistan >: control group 3-apistan & oils >: control group 4-oils >: control group 5-formic acid This leaves out the obvious: control group 6 - non-Langstroth hive. Article 11639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David A Thomas <104440.1210@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Help, please ! References: <351AD853.E8D@yahoo.com> Organization: City Utilities of Springfield Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:33:01 -0500 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp.abs.net!WCG!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naab.compuserve.com Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:11639 >Phil wrote: > Hi all, I need your help, please. > I recently was given a bottle of honey from a friend, and when I open >it, there was some brown, foamy, ??? stuff that had formed on one side >(only) of the top of the honey, and also down into the honey about 1" >along the plastic bottle sidewall. What is this stuff, is the honey >safe to eat? How should I get it out of the honey? My guess is your friend gave you "raw" honey. During the process of extracting the honey, small bits of comb and other detritus "fell" into the honey. Most of the big junk is removed by straining the honey with cheese cloth, but alot of little stuff still gets through. Once the honey is transferred to bottles, trapped air bubbles bring the trash to the surface (your bottle was probably slightly on its side) producing a dark foam. If you don't like the looks, you can skim the scum off, or carefull pour the honey into a new clean bottle. David