Article: 8079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeducat Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 05:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705052257501666@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <5et27b$30j@chronicle.concentric.net> <33063482.BDF@ix.netcom.com> <330E1A57.4E Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8079 *FYI Information wanted! Please reply to Joanne and save me some time. ttul Andy- ---------------------------------------- From: Joanne Romano Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 02:41:01 +0000 Subject: beeducat I found this great little learning tool out on the web that I downloaded re. honeybees: it had pictures and information for children to learn about honeybees. It was a piece called "beeducat". I can't remember where I got it, and I got the IBM compatable version. Does this sound like something you may have heard of or know where to get? I am interested in getting the MAC version, if there is one. So many schools have MACs. There was an e-mail address on the piece: alwine@aol.com. I don't believe the address exits anymore as it wouldn't process. I'm also curious about the BEE-L archives. Is this out of comission? Thanks for any help you can give! Jo --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Vereniging tot Bevordering van de Bijenteelt Article: 8080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emphasys.demon.co.uk!alyn From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Convention UK Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:59:57 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <54gp2CA91EazEwBO@emphasys.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8080 In article , Tom Speight writes >In article , Jonathan H Robbins > writes >>Another wired UK beekeeper!!!! Good to see and the demo works now all we >>need is a UK group. >> >>Regards from Weymouth Dorset > >I agree. Perhaps if there are enough replies it may be worth starting >one. > > >Regards from the south lakes, Cunbria Count me in - and I know a few more local beekeepers whose communication technology is now approaching that of their bees. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys Article: 8081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!194.179.1.100!minerva.ibernet.es!news.rediris.es!news.cica.es!filabres.ualm.es!jcuevas From: jcuevas@filabres.ualm.es Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Germinable pollen colected by bees? Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:56:38 +0200 Organization: Centro Informatico Cientifico de Andalucia Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: filabres.ualm.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8081 Hi! Does anybody know is pollen gathered by bees is affected in such a way that can not be used for pollination purposes? I mean pollen grains delivered to the hives, and not pollen grains on the bees bodies. References would be welcome. Is that an stupid question? Article: 8082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!nick.arc.nasa.gov!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MSU looking to hire Date: Tue, 06 May 97 09:06:44 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <17B668028S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bc596d$69b1d260$268cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8082 In article <01bc596d$69b1d260$268cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> "Jack Griffes" writes: > >Michigan State University is currently seeking someone to replace Dr. Roger >Hoopingarner upon his retirement early this Summer. >... >PhD required >... >currently MSU is offering something in the $24-27,000 US range for this >non-tenured position > >a great deal of pressure is being exerted on MSU by beekeepers, growers of >bee pollinated crops and concerned state officials to get the pay up where >MSU can attract and hold a good person interested in working on various >projects including bee pollination and the breeding of bees resistant to >mites and disease in direct cooperation with the beekeepers of MI > $24-$27K and a PhD is required!?!?!??!!! MSU is GOING to have to do a LOT better than that to attract and keep anyone. In today's market that's barely entry level for a BS let alone a PhD! Aaron Morris - thinking I'll keep my day job! Article: 8083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <336F315F.F28A7498@gamewood.net> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:25:52 -0400 From: ronald turner Reply-To: ret@gamewood.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maverick X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.229.248.157 Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!stripey.gamewood.net!206.229.248.157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8083 I am looking for A product called Maverick to control the varroa mite. Please advise where to purchase,and how to use       Thanks RET Article: 8084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ott.istar!news.istar.net!news.synapse.net!news.abs.net!not-for-mail From: Aaron Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: keeping bumble bees? Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:24:30 -0400 Organization: ABSnet Internet Services, Inc. - (410)-685-2000 - info@abs.net Lines: 8 Message-ID: <336F775E.73514B98@cmsinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gate.cmsinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8084 has anyone had any experience with keeping bumble bees? >from what i've read they dont produce honey, but thats ok. first problem is size, i dont imagine that they like the same size come as honey bees, and i bet the 'bee space' is different. so, is it possible to use equipment built for honey bees? aaron Article 8085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Martin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cordavan queens Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 19:19:54 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <336FE6CA.4DF7@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.146.2.203 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8085 Howdy Not long ago I stumbled on a site that sold a type of bee that has a different color than the standerd Italian, I have lost the address. Anyone knowing of the supplier of cordavan bees out of California I think please let me know. I would also be interested in hearing of any one elses expeiriences with this type of bee. Thanks Don Article 8086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jimnvick@humboldt1.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation Hive Plans Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:22:10 -0700 Organization: Lines: 3 Message-ID: <336FBD22.4B76@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp18.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!mr.net!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8086 Anyone have a source for plans for an observation hive? Thanks Article 8087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Plans Date: 7 May 1997 02:29:52 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bc5a8e$d62d9a60$4f8cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <336FBD22.4B76@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 06 7:29:52 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8087 jimnvick@humboldt1.com wrote in article <336FBD22.4B76@humboldt1.com>... > Anyone have a source for plans for an observation hive? > > Thanks > check out Barry's Bee Page - a link to it is on my bee links page -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Due to SPAMers you must now go to my website if you wish to get my correct e-mail address - it appears the SPAMers can extract e-mail addresses from signature files and even are getting so a few added characters are no longer sufficient detterent to the auto-extracters. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!europa.clark.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cordavan queens Date: 7 May 1997 02:32:33 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 35 Message-ID: <01bc5a8f$362133a0$4f8cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <336FE6CA.4DF7@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 06 7:32:33 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8088 Glenn Apiaries - a link to an article about bee breeding is on my bee links site actually cordovan is a color mutation not specific to Italian bees - it changes the body parts that would be black normally to brown - this leaves Italian Cordovans looking sort of red - whilst Carniolan Cordovans look sort of purple -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Due to SPAMers you must now go to my website if you wish to get my correct e-mail address - it appears the SPAMers can extract e-mail addresses from signature files and even are getting so a few added characters are no longer sufficient detterent to the auto-extracters. Sorry for the inconvenience. Don Martin wrote in article <336FE6CA.4DF7@worldnet.att.net>... > Howdy > > Not long ago I stumbled on a site that sold a type of bee that has a > different color than the standerd Italian, I have lost the address. > Anyone knowing of the supplier of cordavan bees out of California I > think > please let me know. I would also be interested in hearing of any one > elses expeiriences with this type of bee. > > Thanks > > Don > Article 8090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) Date: 7 May 1997 04:10:59 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8090 In article , mkc@flea.nexen.com (Mark Culotta) writes: >> I remember reading someplace that "non-inspectable" hives are against USDA >> rules. Skeps are considered to be non-inspectable, as are bee-gums. I am >> not sure what authorities the USDA has... for example, do they only have >> jurisdiction over commerical agriculture (in the USA of course), or can >> they control hobbiest beeekeeping as well? A little late in getting through my e-mail, but ... The U.S Dept of Agriculture is not the one outlawing skeps in the US, that is done by the individual state Dept's of Ag. The reason for this is that the combs cannot be inspected. I believe all states require bees to be kept in hives with moveable frames. The Apiary Inspectors of America could give you more information. Regards, David Morris Laurel, Md Article 8091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beenet uk dialup bbs Message-ID: <862956561@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:09:21 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Beenet the computer network for beekeepers Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8091 Hello UK beekeepers, The Beekeeping bbs in London is a dialup bbs which is a focus for all things beekeeping and ideal for UK contacts. Its a fully interactive system using free Windows software to download. 3 nodes to dial up using terminal software 8.N.1 ansi 0181-695-5328 modem 14400 baud 0181-473-8171 modem Hayes 33k6 baud 0181-244-6123 modem Hayes 33k6 baud We offer a free service to beekeepers with a option to subscribe at £10.00 per year which includes the windows software package on 3 disk. Regards Steve Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 8094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dmich321@aol.com (Dmich321) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee business for sale Date: 7 May 1997 09:20:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19970507092000.FAA24349@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <9705031757501648@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8094 If only I had the bucks!!!!! But hey, I'm 30% richer in Canadian. Dennis Michigan Article 8096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.he.net!news.iquest.net!ind-0002-2 From: reynoldm@iquest.net (Mike Reynolds) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mold Date: Wed, 07 May 97 11:35:46 GMT Organization: IQuest Network Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5kppei$gdc_001@ind-0002-2.iquest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ind-0002-2.iquest.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8096 I have a couple off brood frames that have a little mold on them. Will the bee be able to clean this up?? I wrapped up a hive body in a trash bag to keep the bee moths out and a couple of the frames smell like they have fermented. Should these be trashed or if I let them air out will they be usable? Tnx Mike R. reynoldm@iquest.net Article 8097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are there other beekeeping newsgroups? Date: 7 May 1997 11:40:35 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5kppnj$p14$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <01bc565f$f1a167a0$38783ccf@dennishome> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8097 The Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catalog on bee supplies Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 12:37:19 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <337074d6.6061478@news.netside.com> References: <5km08r$obd$1@news10.gte.net> <01bc59c7$c1000820$526ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx41-53.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8099 Brushy Mountain Bee Farm 610 Bethany Church Rd. Moravian Falls, NC 28654 1-800-233-7929 I've ordered from Brushy Mountain many times, and have been pleased with their products, their prices and their service. The catalog contains useful information as well as product discriptions. They are nice people to do business with. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Following_the_Bloom_ Date: Wed, 07 May 97 08:47:22 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <17B677B9AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8102 Last Friday the ISBN and publisher for _Following_the_Bloom_ by Douglas Whynott was requested. Published by Stackpole Books, the ISBN is 0-8117-1944-8 Highly recommended! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 8103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "carlo ballabio" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee virus? Date: 7 May 1997 15:09:29 GMT Organization: DIGITAL Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 16.192.4.92 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8103 Does anyone have experience with bee viruses? I think my bees have a virus . A lot of bees are standing out of the entrance door. A lot of them are dark (like an old bee) and they are shivering. There are many died bees out of the hive (100 bees /day). Any suggestion? Regards carlo ballabio Article 8105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: RICK SUK Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Medium vs. Deep Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:07:14 -0700 Organization: The Clorox Company Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unknown-68-12.clorox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pilot.net!news2.pilot.net!clorox.news.pilot.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8105 I'm about to purchase my first hive. One keeper I've spoken to recommended using three mediums instead of two deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all interchangeable parts if I used all medium equipment. Being a small operation, I can see the advantage. What are my drawbacks? Article 8106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: 8 May 1997 02:19:18 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Message-ID: <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 07 9:19:18 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 38 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8106 RICK SUK wrote in article <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com>... > I'm about to purchase my first hive. One keeper I've spoken to recommended using three mediums instead of two > deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all interchangeable parts if I used all medium > equipment. Being a small operation, I can see the advantage. What are my drawbacks? > We were well into the process of switching over to all 6-5/8" supers (mediums) when it became clear that with every other HIP Cooperator using Deeps (9-5/8") we (Griffes) were causing a imcompatible frame problem in the breeding cooperative. So despite the fact I MUCH prefer the mediums and the total interchangeability we are switching at least partly back to Deeps brood chambers. Potential drawbacks 1) if you buy Nucs they will likely come in Deep frames 2) interchangeability means you end up with brood comb (attractive to wax moth) mixed in amongst the honey comb (relatively unattractive if it has never had brood) 3) hmmm- must be more - maybe someone else will add to the list -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA e-mail Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Due to SPAMers you must now go to my website if you wish to get my correct e-mail address - it appears the SPAMers can extract e-mail addresses from signature files and even are getting so a few added characters are no longer sufficient detterent to the auto-extracters. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Roadside Herbicide Spraying=====================================P A N Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:58:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705071953351676@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <01bc2360$27469160$488cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Lines: 146 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8107 P S***Pesticide Action Network North AmericaUpdates Servicehttp://www.panna.or /panna/===================================== ===================================== P A N U P S *** Pesticide Action Network North America Updates Service http://www.panna.org/panna/ ===================================== May 5, 1997 Groups Stop Caltrans Herbicide Spraying California's transportation agency, Caltrans, manages 230,000 acres of roadsides situated along 15,000 miles of state highways. The agency spends $30 million each year maintaining roadside vegetation, most of it on the application of weed- killing herbicides. Rural grassroots activists recently prevailed against this colossal agency in their long fight to stop pesticide applications on public highways. Eight hundred miles of California highways are now herbicide-free. Communities in the rural northwest corner of California scored a big win in their quarter-century battle for herbicide-free public roads when Caltrans announced in March 1997 that it would halt spraying on highways in the region at the behest of local governments. With 230,000 acres of roadside under its management, Caltrans has long been the largest single user of synthetic pesticides in the state. However on March 17, officials in District 1 -- covering Lake, Mendocino, Humboldt and Del Norte counties -- announced they will stop spraying wherever local governments request it. Two weeks later, Humboldt County Supervisors voted unanimously for non-toxic roadsides, joining elected officials in Mendocino County and the city of Arcata. Only one community, Fortuna, opted to keep highway spraying. Residents of the rugged, sparsely populated north coast of California have mobilized against spraying of herbicides -- initially 2,4-D and simazine, more recently Roundup and diuron -- on roadsides since 1972. Most counties and cities in the area gave up herbicides for roadside weed control during the 1980's in response to intense pressure from local opponents. But Caltrans persisted until 1989 when Californians for Alternatives to Toxics (CATs) -- a clearinghouse for community anti-toxic groups scattered throughout northern California -- organized 23 groups in 14 counties to sue under state environmental law. To avoid litigation, Caltrans agreed to halt spraying in the district while it wrote an environmental report. Six years later, District 1 resumed full-scale spraying and the reaction was intense. Within a year, several vocal grassroots groups sprang up. Neighbors Against Herbicides, Poison Free, Toxic Outcry and others joined forces with established organizations Center for Ethics and Toxics, Lake County HEAL, Mendocino Environmental Center and Friends of Del Norte. CATs was a resource for information, networking and regional strategy. By early 1997 rallies were occurring somewhere almost weekly, and more than 4,000 people had signed petitions. Protests escalated dramatically in the month preceding Caltrans' policy reversal. Several well-attended rallies were held at sites located hundreds of miles apart, then the arrest of four protesters who blocked a spray truck galvanized resisters region wide; many vowed to do the same. The actions helped generate high-profile media coverage. Representatives to the state legislature took a strong position in defense of local determination. Caltrans submitted this time when it realized that the issue transcended traditional community divisions and had gained broad support. Opponents included Indian tribes (one demanded an end to spraying on reservation highways), loggers, parents of schoolchildren, tourism promoters, rural mail deliverers, farmers, disabled and immune-compromised people, health practitioners and thousands of others who rarely, if ever, consider themselves hard-core environmentalists. As conservative Humboldt County supervisor Bonnie Neely put it, "This is a roadside vegetation management problem to Caltrans -- but to the people of this county it is a health issue. The county doesn't spray its roadsides and neither should the state." In its long-awaited environmental report which was published in 1992, Caltrans proposed a snail-paced schedule of a 50% reduction in herbicide use by the year 2000 and an 80% reduction by 2012. The agency claims to have reduced its use of herbicides by 34% statewide since then, mainly by narrowing the width of the area defoliated on highway shoulders. To help steer its way into a less toxic future, Caltrans recently published a several hundred thousand dollar report on alternative vegetation control and is currently building an extensive, site-specific data-base about native plants, one of the most promising options to replace chemicals. Nevertheless, the sprawling agency has been slow to employ alternatives. In several districts, herbicides are still applied at a rate of several pounds per acre each year -- and overall only a handful of local managers are aware of non- chemical vegetation control options. Although Caltrans' local determination policy is currently limited to northwestern California, it could have broad implications for anti-toxics activists in other areas of the state. Source: CATs, April 17, 1997; Center for Ethics and Toxics, April 8, 1997; The Crop Duster, April 1997. Contacts: Californians for Alternatives to Toxics, 860 1/2 11th Street, Arcata, CA 95521; phone (707) 822-8497; email cats@igc.org. Center for Ethics and Toxics, 39175 S. Highway One, P.O. Box 673, Gualala, CA 95445; phone (707) 884-1700; fax (707) 884- 1846; cetos@cetos.org. Toxic Outcry, P.O. 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Article 8108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.scott.net!usenet From: jeffj@scott.net (Jeff) Newsgroups: ec.music.hip-hop,rec.pets.birds,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.albanian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.argentina,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.assyrian,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.austria,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.belgium,soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.berber,soc.culture.bolivia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.bulgaria Subject: Re: Boycott Holiday Inn Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 03:56:57 GMT Organization: No Organization Specified Lines: 51 Message-ID: <33714da4.20252630@news.scott.net> References: <3361507A.3977@compuserve.com> <336165EF.102A@earthlink.net> <33673F67.287A@burn.in.hell.spammers> <336934f7.1754200@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup22.scott.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu rec.pets.birds:88341 sci.agriculture:19793 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8108 soc.culture.afghanistan:27086 soc.culture.african:65665 soc.culture.african.american:319966 soc.culture.albanian:7137 soc.culture.arabic:67091 soc.culture.argentina:82840 soc.culture.asean:31965 soc.culture.asian.american:188886 soc.culture.assyrian:9838 soc.culture.australian:86568 soc.culture.austria:32727 soc.culture.baltics:25613 soc.culture.bangladesh:77384 soc.culture.belgium:62102 soc.culture.bengali:50476 soc.culture.berber:4980 soc.culture.bolivia:29179 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:61868 soc.culture.brazil:77086 soc.culture.british:253882 soc.culture.bulgaria:46193 On Thu, 01 May 1997 06:30:33 GMT, bbasford@msn.com (Bobby) wrote: >Timothy Lee wrote: > > >>Boycott them, hell! Does anyone have their toll-free reservations >>number? It's sickening to see the Rebel flag flying as though it were >>something to inspire pride. Does anyone recall that one of the >>"peculiar institutions" they defended was human slavery? We beat the >>Rebels then, and thank goodness for it. >> >>-- >>Timothy Lee >>University of Pennsylvania BSE '91 / MBA '98 >>Alumnus of the United States Navy >>timoth31@wharton.upenn.edu > > >If I recall correctly, the "peculiar insitution" was was defended by >the US goverment (Dred Scott decision) and the US slave ships were all >northern. > >The Rebel flag didn't have anything to do with it. It just another >example of political correctness gone crazy. > >And furthermore, many Southerners are proud that their ancestors >served in Southern armies to fight off northern invaders. > >You won't find me at a Holiday Inn. > > Amen ! ! ! As a Southerner with ancestors that served in the war I am proud of my heritage. I do NOT believe in slavery or oppresion of any type. I just wish that people would quit blaming me for some injustices that happened over 100 years ago! By the way, the above statement about the rebel flag is quite true! Just because some people choose to live in the South does not mean that they are skinheads or members of the KKK. As a matter of fact, my best friend is a black male, he and I get along with no problems whatsoever. He is welcome at my house and I am welcome at his house. It doesn't seem to bother either of our neighbors either. The media always portrays the South as being full of white male bigots, who drive on dirt roads, have cars doors that are welded shut and frequently burn crosses. You'll have to take my word as a white male from Alabama (The Heart of Dixie) that it just ain't true! 73 de KF4KGQ Jeff Johns jeffj@scott.net Article 8109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 22:07:32 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <33715F94.5D9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.133.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8109 RICK SUK wrote: > > I'm about to purchase my first hive. One keeper I've spoken to recommended using three mediums instead of two > deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all interchangeable parts if I used all medium > equipment. Being a small operation, I can see the advantage. What are my drawbacks? I started two hives this year with mediums and they sure are easier to lift than my friends deeps I've worked with. You could always change later if you want, the extras would make good honey supers. I'm thinking of trying top-bar hives. After all, this is a hobby. Pete Article 8110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: _Following_the_Bloom_ Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 07:58:55 +1509 Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3272415F.14D3@itl.net> References: <17B677B9AS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap124-12.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!netcom-uk-feed0!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8110 Aaron Morris wrote: > > Last Friday the ISBN and publisher for _Following_the_Bloom_ by Douglas > Whynott was requested. Published by Stackpole Books, the ISBN is > 0-8117-1944-8 > Highly recommended! > > Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Very many thanks. I'll be ordering it today. Morley. Article 8111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!netcom-uk-feed0!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving hives around Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 08:16:08 +1509 Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). Lines: 14 Message-ID: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap124-12.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8111 I live on an island of 45 sq. miles which supports about 600 hives and use of Apistan is mandatory. Every hive is registered and we are given specific dates on which to insert and extract the Apistan strips. Easily done in such a small place. As hives are moved around so much in US and used to pollinate vast orchards etc., doesn't the risk of spreading varroa increase accordingly? I know it's not popular with everyone but given the really large numbers of bees being wiped out by disease, would any/many of you consider mandatory use of Apistan inevitable? Indeed, would such a requirement be enforceable over such a large area? Do any large crop producers have their own apiaries or do they all rely on migrant colonies? Morley Article 8113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!delos.dra.hmg.gb!trog.dra.hmg.gb!not-for-mail From: "Robert K Black" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying or not laying? Date: 8 May 1997 08:29:16 GMT Organization: LISA Message-ID: <01bc5857$ab91f640$c80b5092@internet> References: <3367BD62.27F6@homer.louisville.edu> <5ka26j$dh7@usenet11.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.11.200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8113 I would not take a chance with a new queen if the old queen is in the colony the chances are that the bees will kill the new queen. If you think that there is a queen in there, then if you cannot find her I would brush all the bees into an empty box put an excluder over the top and then place the brood on top of that. The bees will move up within the hour and the queen and drones will be left under the excluder Article 8115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives around Date: 8 May 1997 12:41:41 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 62 Message-ID: <01bc5bad$73129a00$378cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-23.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 08 5:41:41 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8115 Morley wrote in article <32724568.6BED@itl.net>... > I live on an island of 45 sq. miles which supports about 600 hives and > use of Apistan is mandatory. Every hive is registered and we are given > specific dates on which to insert and extract the Apistan strips. Easily > done in such a small place. > And a very good step toward loss prevention as long as the mandatory treatment dates are correctly timed based on the biological realities of parasitism in your particular environment. > As hives are moved around so much in US and used to pollinate vast > orchards etc., doesn't the risk of spreading varroa increase > accordingly? Yep - but it is the only practical alternative considering our agricultural practices today. >I know it's not popular with everyone but given the really > large numbers of bees being wiped out by disease, would any/many of you > consider mandatory use of Apistan inevitable? Indeed, would such a > requirement be enforceable over such a large area? In some states Apistan use is already mandatory. Enforceable over such a large area as the entire USA? - no - especially not when regulations on such things come from the states (meaning 50 different sets of regs). But realize that the mites enforce the use of some sort of miticidal treatment even if it is a biological one in all but the exceedingly rare few colonies that can actually survive and thrive without treatment. > > Do any large crop producers have their own apiaries or do they all rely > on migrant colonies? Morley > Most times the large growers concentrate on what they are good at - growing. They hire out the other work such as pollination to folks that are good at that. This concentrates the talents of each party on the things they know about resulting in a more stable predictable result despite the huge number of environmental variables in every outdoor production agricultural enterprise. So the short answer is that virtually all the large growers (and most of the small ones too) rely on beekeepers to supply bees to pollinate what they grow - they do this for economic reasons - it costs them less to rent colonies when they need them that it does to care for them all year so they have them when they need them. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Due to SPAMers you must now go to my website if you wish to get my correct e-mail address - it appears the SPAMers can extract e-mail addresses from signature files and even are getting so a few added characters are no longer sufficient detterent to the auto-extracters. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Surfing the B-Net Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 04:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705080713181684@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 51 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8116 OLd Drone Surfs the Beekeeper Internet Highway. 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He has heard the quail and beheld the honey-bee, Article 8117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: tlocicero@aol.com (TLocicero) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Roadside Herbicide Spraying=====================================P A N Date: 8 May 1997 14:59:41 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <19970508145900.KAA10330@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <9705071953351676@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8117 In article <9705071953351676@beenet.com>, andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) writes: >state environmental law. To avoid litigation, Caltrans agreed >to halt spraying in the district while it wrote an >environmental report. > >Six years later, District 1 resumed full-scale spraying and >the reaction was intense. Within a year, several vocal >grassroots groups sprang up. Neighbors Against Herbicides, What were the reasons given for resumption of spraying? Article 8118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!mercury.arc.ab.ca!usenet From: Ray FAN Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Potato Chip Making Equipment Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 10:06:43 -0700 Organization: Alberta Research Council Lines: 33 Message-ID: <33720823.1560@arc.ab.ca> Reply-To: fan@arc.ab.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: edmdhcp106.arc.ab.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5BDA69FA1847" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8118 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5BDA69FA1847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm wondering if this is the right site for posting my question? --------------5BDA69FA1847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="look_for.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="look_for.txt" Looking for Potato Chip Making Equipment: Industry scale Small capacity: 100 ~ 500 kg/day raw potato production capacity Production line or any of washing, peeling, slicing, frying/drying and packaging equipment. Any info on manufacturer of Potato Chip Making Equipment. please send E-Mail to: fan@arc.ab.ca Thanks a lot for your help. Ray --------------5BDA69FA1847-- Article 8119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are there other beekeeping newsgroups? Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:22:59 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5kqocc$b9c$1@zinger.callamer.com> References: <01bc565f$f1a167a0$38783ccf@dennishome> <5kppnj$p14$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc86-156.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8119 OUTSANDING JOB on these pages, first rate graphis, and up to date information for all beekeepers. ttul, the OLd Drone Adam Finkelstein wrote in article <5kppnj$p14$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... >The Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html >-- >_________________ >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html > Article 8120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: Thu, 08 May 97 11:09:16 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <17B689CDDS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8120 In article <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> on 8 May 1997 02:19:18 GMT you write: > >RICK SUK wrote in article >... recommended using three mediums instead of two >> deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all >>interchangeable parts if I used all medium equipment. Being a small >>operation, I can see the advantage. What are >my drawbacks? >> >... >Potential drawbacks >1) if you buy Nucs they will likely come in Deep frames >2) interchangeability means you end up with brood comb (attractive to wax >moth) mixed in amongst the honey comb (relatively unattractive if it has >never had brood) >3) hmmm- must be more - maybe someone else will add to the list > Another drawback is there are 30 frames to examine vs 20 frames, which can make the queen all the more elusive. Another plus is that hefting a full medium is easier on the back than hefting a full deep. I've experimented with mixing a medium and a deep for the brood chamber with mediums over a queen excluder for honey supers. Works in mild winters but it's iffy if the winter is hard. Aaron Morris - thinking for every pro there is a con! Article 8122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!azure.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) Date: 8 May 1997 17:33:21 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Lines: 30 Message-ID: <01bc5b19$680fb0a0$LocalHost@luichart.woollens> References: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23-falcon-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8122 Yes I was amazed at this piece of legislation. I suppose the idea is to try to stop disease but I don't suppose that there is any law which makes you inspect your hives. What happens to wild colonies, are they doomed to extermination on sight? What happens if you neglect to examine your hives. Does some officer from the USDA come along and do it for you. Are you fined, imprisoned, or what happens? -- Harry Scotland Knitwear web site at: http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ : > > >> I remember reading someplace that "non-inspectable" hives are against > USDA > >> rules. Skeps are considered to be non-inspectable, as are bee-gums. I > am > >> not sure what authorities the USDA has.... > > The U.S Dept of Agriculture is not the one outlawing skeps in the US, that > is done by the individual state Dept's of Ag. The reason for this is that > the combs cannot be inspected. I believe all states require bees to be > kept in hives with moveable frames. The Apiary Inspectors of America > could give you more information. > Article 8123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.structured.net!news.iac.net!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.cmc.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:48:27 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 7 Message-ID: <33721109.9485017@news.netside.com> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx42-100.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8123 I use deeps for brood, shallow for extracting. I've thought about converting to all one size to gain the convenience of standardization, but avoided the mid size because of the weight when full of honey. Shallow with nine frames is heavy enough for me. I've even thought about using shallows for everything, but haven't tried it yet. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!not-for-mail From: "Bruce A. Vance" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Raccoons? and bees Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:33:16 -0500 Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp0160.remote.louisville.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8125 Has anyone else had any trouble with raccoons around their hives? At least I think it is a raccoon which is nightly turning over the sugar syrup feeder. I'm afraid it will eventually get into the hive and destroy everything. Thinking it was a skunk, I put up a two foot fence last night, but this morning I saw where the critter had climbed over the fence. Today I put up a 4 foot fence. But I'm afraid that it will simply climb over this as well. The raccoon, after all, is in the bear family. Any advice? Thanks Bruce Article 8126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!ott.istar!n4ott.istar!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: graeme Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pest control calendar?? Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:50:27 -0400 Organization: InterNet Kingston, Kingston Ont. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <337266C3.5CD6@adan.kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sentinel-107.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8126 Hi there. I am a new beekeeper who has had trouble with keeping my bees alive. Year one saw an animal remove my lid on my solitary hive, and year two it's looking like mites. :( I am now looking for any kind of suggested 'Pest Control Calendar'. Any sort of time-table schedule guideline for the Kingston Ontario area. Any help? Thanks. Graeme Peterson, Kingston Ontario. graeme@adan.kingston.net Article 8127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!iagnews.iagnet.net!not-for-mail From: Robert O'Hara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New package ... queen dead Date: 9 May 1997 01:10:58 GMT Organization: Internet Access Group [www.iagnet.net] Abuse:abuse@iagnet.net Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5kttj2$6a9$1@iagnews.iagnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-21.stratos.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8127 Hello and thanks for reading, My 3 lb. package of bees was installed on new foundation five days ago and the queen was dead on arrival. The supplier is sending a replacement but have not received her yet and am getting concerned. I am in northeastern Ohio and it has been very cool and rainy this week. Dandelions have been out for about two weeks. How long can the group go without the queen? I want to avoid laying workers. How long before this starts. Bees are being feed in hive with gallon can and are drawing comb nicely on a few frames. A local fellow has queens for sale but would like to wait for suppliers replacement if I have time ... question is ... do I? Thankyou Rob Article 8128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New package ... queen dead Date: 9 May 1997 03:00:35 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 46 Message-ID: <01bc5c1e$5d9bd800$378cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5kttj2$6a9$1@iagnews.iagnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-23.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 08 8:00:35 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8128 Howdy Rob, see more mixed in amongst your text Robert O'Hara wrote in article <5kttj2$6a9$1@iagnews.iagnet.net>... > Hello and thanks for reading, > My 3 lb. package of bees was installed on new foundation five > days ago and the queen was dead on arrival. The supplier is sending > a replacement but have not received her yet and am getting concerned. > I am in northeastern Ohio and it has been very cool and rainy this > week. Dandelions have been out for about two weeks. How long can > the group go without the queen? get the new queen in ASAP - until then keep the old queen in the cage in the cluster to help somewhat in promoting colony cohesion (even just a empty queen cage that fairly recently used to have a queen in it will attract bees) >I want to avoid laying workers. > How long before this starts. generally takes workers that are queenless about two weeks to become serious laying workers though there are laying workers even in queenright hives at times (maybe all the time) >Bees are being feed in hive with gallon > can and are drawing comb nicely on a few frames. A local fellow has > queens for sale but would like to wait for suppliers replacement if I > have time ... question is ... do I? it should not take more than a couple to maybe four days to get the queen to you - that should not be a problem - if it goes longer than that best call the supplier and see what is up -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!newsfeed2!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are the Bees in Your Clover? Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 04:07:08 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5ku7o9$iog$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <19970503033400.XAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lasierra.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8129 In article Don't get me wrong: I like bees. I am taking a bee-keeping course right >now. I find their biology to be fascinating, but squash, tomatoes, beans >and corn are native american vegetables, and were pollinated by native >american bees long before the "white man's flies" ever came along. >Frankly, I suspect that in my area at least, the damage to feral honeybees >has been mites. I say this because I live in a heavily farmed region, and >yet all the native bees are around. They aren't succumbing to pesticides. What reference is there for the quote, above? How do you know what the original, native American bees looked like? Article 8131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!mindspring!firehose.mindspring.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!news.service.emory.edu!news.bna.bellsouth.net!not-for-mail From: Leigh Darnall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper Wannabee Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 01:04:54 -0500 Organization: Tanith and Company Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3372BE86.46B7@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-16-168.bna.bellsouth.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8131 A not-even-Newbie-yet question: We are rural folks interested in keeping bees to pollinate our pastures and family garden. How do I get started? What good books do you recommend? Do I have to have multiple hives or can I do a small hive and still do well? Will a domestic hive upset the wild bees I have now? Does home-harvested honey have to be pasteurized to be safe? I've been told that Guinea hens will wipe out a hive by snapping up the bees exiting the box. Will my chicken flock of broilers and layers do the same? Just get me started and I'll start reading.... Thanks, Leigh (who knows about cattle, horses, chickens and children but is clueless about bees) Article 8132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!europa.clark.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!posts.execpc.com!usenet From: "Steve Shapson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: Honey/Quantity Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:38:03 -0500 Organization: Steve Shapson Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5ku66l$nlg@newsops.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: andor-08.execpc.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8132 I am interested in securing a supplier of orange blossom or other light flavored honey in larger quantities for resale to our customers in Wisconsin. Please contact Steve Shapson tel: 414 241 8862 store email: force10@execpc.com Article 8133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: 9 May 1997 10:27:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5kuu63$m4a$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <33721109.9485017@news.netside.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8133 The queen will lay more in larger frames. 3 Mediums for a brood chamber Works in Virginia, four total for overwintering. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: queenbjan@aol.com (QueenB Jan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper Wannabee Date: 9 May 1997 11:22:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19970509112201.HAA14036@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <3372BE86.46B7@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8136 I can't answer all your questions, but I do recommend a few web sites that may help you. Start with: ...Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm It may whet your interest, but best of all, it contains links to other pages on beekeeping. You can "surf" to your hearts content. Janice Green Article 8137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!warwick!news.ncl.ac.uk!aidan!nrs3 From: Robert Scott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Plans Date: 9 May 1997 11:34:08 GMT Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5kv23g$8l5@whitbeck.ncl.ac.uk> References: <336FBD22.4B76@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aidan.ncl.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8137 jimnvick@humboldt1.com wrote: > Anyone have a source for plans for an observation hive? > Thanks http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html has plans for one of these, also a 10 frame w.b.c and 10 frame langstroth hive. All in acrobat format. Cheers, Rob. Article 8138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newspeer.santaclara.agis.net!agis!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Roadside Herbicide Spraying=====================================P Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 02:26:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705090450341699@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <19970508145900.KAA10330@ladder01.news.aol.com> <9705071953351676@beenet.com> Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8138 T>From: tlocicero@aol.com (TLocicero) T>>state environmental law. To avoid litigation, Caltrans agreed >>to halt spraying in the district while it wrote an >>environmental report. >>Six years later, District 1 resumed full-scale spraying and >>the reaction was intense. Within a year, several vocal >>grassroots groups sprang up. Neighbors Against Herbicides, T>What were the reasons given for resumption of spraying? IMHO, two, one they complied with the "environmental report" provisions of the state law. And they thought the public would not notice or were no longer interested and they could get away with it... I am not a rank environmentalist other then when it comes to bees, bee pasture plants, but one must live in this state to understand what happens in an area that does not get rain for eight or nine months a year. Those harmless bi weekly application of chemicals made to public lands and rightaways just builds up and then the rains come and what was guaranteed to be harmless suddenly is not.. ttul Andy- "all bad thoughts about the chemical industry will come true" --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Ignorance is temporary; stupid is forever. Article 8139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!TOM From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee virus? Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:25:18 +0100 Organization: home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.02 Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8139 In article <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.com>, carlo ballabio writes >Does anyone have experience with bee viruses? >I think my bees have a virus . > >A lot of bees are standing out of the entrance door. >A lot of them are dark (like an old bee) and they are shivering. >There are many died bees out of the hive (100 bees /day). > >Any suggestion? > > >Regards > >carlo ballabio Seems very much like Nosema, a tracheal mite. These are only discernable by microscopic examination. Collect a matchbox full of bees and have your local Bee Disease Officer (or whatever the title is in your area) check them out. -- Tom S Article 8140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Date: 9 May 1997 10:19:48 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19970509141901.KAA14303@ladder02.news.aol.com> X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Subject: CT beekepping Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8140 Well yesterday I hived a swarm of bees which I am not certain came from my hive although it was within about 25 feet of it. That brings me up to 20 colonies which is enough for a hobbiest to handle. Odd thing about the swarm was the hive nearby had an adult queen in it and was still relatively crowded. They lit in a hedge so other than nettles they were pretty easy to hive. Anybody in SE CT or S RI needs bees and has been unable to purchase them give me a shout I would rather make up nucs for swarm control than lose bees 40ft up a tree anytime. So far requeening has gone on without a hitch one more hive to check this afternoon to see if her majesty has been released and if so we will have 100% acceptance. Article 8141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raccoons? and bees Date: Fri, 09 May 97 09:59:26 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <17B698C81S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8141 In article <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> "Bruce A. Vance" writes: > > Today I put up a 4 foot fence. But I'm afraid that it will >simply climb over this as well. The raccoon, after all, is in the bear >family. > >Any advice? > >Thanks >Bruce Investigate an electric bear fence if finances allow. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 8143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!in2p3.fr!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!line48.du.tele.net!user From: dominik@sele.LOL.li (Dominik Sele) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: searching for mac - beekeeping software Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 18:56:55 +0200 Organization: Unisource Business Networks Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: line48.du.tele.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8143 Hello I'm a beekeeper from Liechtenstein (Europe) and searching for beekeeping software for macintosh computers. Can anybody help me ? Thanks Dominik Sele-Schaechle dominik@sele.lol.li Article 8144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.communique.net!communique!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 13:14:03 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 11 Message-ID: <33735B5B.161C@ultranet.com> References: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d13.dial-5.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8144 I keep illegal hives and do not recognize the authority of the state to tell me what to do with my bees . In other words, they should mid their own bees wax. Also, I do not see the benefit of requiring inspectable hives, other than makin some government bureaucrat's job easier. Why don't they go arrest some wild bees for nesting in a tree? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 8145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!news-peer.gsl.net!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: Keith Benson DVM Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are the Bees in Your Clover? Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:09:21 -0500 Organization: UW School of Veterinary Medicine Lines: 30 Message-ID: <33737661.4D52@facstaff.wisc.edu> References: <19970503033400.XAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5ku7o9$iog$1@nntp.pe.net> Reply-To: kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.92.48.203 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8145 Peter Amschel wrote: > > In article >Don't get me wrong: I like bees. I am taking a bee-keeping course right > >now. I find their biology to be fascinating, but squash, tomatoes, beans > >and corn are native american vegetables, and were pollinated by native > >american bees long before the "white man's flies" ever came along. > >Frankly, I suspect that in my area at least, the damage to feral honeybees > >has been mites. I say this because I live in a heavily farmed region, and > >yet all the native bees are around. They aren't succumbing to pesticides. > > What reference is there for the quote, above? > How do you know what the original, native American bees looked like? There were no origional american honeybees (Apis mellifera), as to the natives, just take a gander at the bumbles, orchard, leafcutter bees etc. Keith Keith Benson DVM Special Species Health Service/Urgent Care University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine bensonk@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu (office) kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu (home) http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2011/ Article 8146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.jax.bellsouth.net!news.mco.bellsouth.net!news.mia.bellsouth.net!not-for-mail From: miamimyk@bellsouth.net (Michael R.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation Hive Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 19:07:01 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <33737510.156540954@news.mia.bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-121-55.mia.bellsouth.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8146 I was wondering if anyone knew where I might purchase a decent and large observation hive. I recently repsonded to a simular question, however I was distrought when I realized the colony that my vendor was selling was only 33x25x8 cm. And they wanted $122 (shipping included). Any info would be helpfull, as I miss keeping bees so much!!! An observation hive would help sneek it past the nosey neighbors. Thanks! Michael :) Article 8147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!TOM From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee virus? Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 21:23:06 +0100 Organization: home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.02 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8147 In article , Tom Speight writes >Seems very much like Nosema, a tracheal mite. These are only discernable >by microscopic examination. Collect a matchbox full of bees and have >your local Bee Disease Officer (or whatever the title is in your area) >check them out. Oops! Sorry, I meant Acarine. -- Tom Speight Article 8148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jimnvick@humboldt1.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Observation Hive Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:20:09 -0700 Organization: Lines: 10 Message-ID: <33739509.532E@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp40.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!gmv.es!btnet-feed3!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!news.apfel.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8148 Many thanks to those who directed me to observation hive plans. I have a couple of questions about them: Are observation hives intended to be "stand alone" hives, or can you just take three frames from an existing hive and put them in the observation hive for a day - or two? Would the fact that they have no queen screw them up for later reuniting with the main hive? Thanks Article 8149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charles Brand Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bee Olfaction Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 21:03:32 -0700 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3373F394.15A4@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dam-as1s52.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 9 May 1997 21:03:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; U) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!feed1.news.erols.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8149 Do honey bees smell only through their antennae? Or can they smell with/through other organs as well? Article 8150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Date: 10 May 1997 02:17:02 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 31 Message-ID: <01bc5cde$f3866ea0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33737510.156540954@news.mia.bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 09 9:17:02 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8150 Michael R. wrote in article <33737510.156540954@news.mia.bellsouth.net>... > > > I was wondering if anyone knew where I might purchase a decent and > large observation hive. I recently repsonded to a simular question, > however I was distrought when I realized the colony that my vendor was > selling was only 33x25x8 cm. And they wanted $122 (shipping > included). Any info would be helpfull, as I miss keeping bees so > much!!! An observation hive would help sneek it past the nosey > neighbors. Hmmm - one of the bee magazines ran an article on a observation hive a fellow had made large enough to put a super or two on. It was HUGE as far as observation hives goes - seems like it weighed 100plus pounds empty or something like that - well made like a fine cabinet - multi-comb thickness though so you might not see the queen too often. Anybody have that reference at hand? -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper Wannabee Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 02:34:48 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 35 Message-ID: <5l0mn6$m0v$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <3372BE86.46B7@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8151 In article <3372BE86.46B7@bellsouth.net>, Leigh Darnall wrote: >A not-even-Newbie-yet question: > >We are rural folks interested in keeping bees to pollinate our pastures >and family garden. How do I get started? Buy one of those kits from the Dadant catalog, it will have all you need for starters including directions, I'm pretty sure. The bees themselves come as "package bees", a box of bees you pour into your new hive. The queen is in the package too. What good books do you >recommend? Do I have to have multiple hives or can I do a small hive and >still do well? I tried one small hive and it grew so fast I added several stories onto it to give them more room. That queen just keeps laying, and laying, and laying Will a domestic hive upset the wild bees I have now? no Does >home-harvested honey have to be pasteurized to be safe? no. it is pure and delicious. This year I am producing, with the help of the queen and her bees, straight comb out of a top bar hive. You have to be a little more experienced for this type of hive. I've been told >that Guinea hens will wipe out a hive by snapping up the bees exiting >the box. Will my chicken flock of broilers and layers do the same? Je ne sais pas.> >Just get me started and I'll start reading.... > >Thanks, > >Leigh (who knows about cattle, horses, chickens and children but is >clueless about bees) GO FOR IT! It is truly fascinating and will be good for your property. Article 8152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.pagesat.net!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!in1.nntp.cais.net!NEWS1!not-for-mail From: wdecker@3n.net (Walker Decker) Subject: Re: cordavan queens Message-ID: <3373dc57.1309961@news.3n.net> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 02:29:36 GMT References: <336FE6CA.4DF7@worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/16.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8152 Don Martin wrote: ->Not long ago I stumbled on a site that sold a type of bee that has a ->different color than the standard Italian, I have lost the address. ->Anyone knowing of the supplier of cordavan bees out of California... The website you are referring to is: Glenn Apiaries http://member.aol.com/queenb95/web/home.html I don't have any of their queens, but I was thinking about trying one. Walker Decker Kinsale, Virginia Article 8153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!agate!nntpfeed.doc.ic.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!nntp0.brunel.ac.uk!strath-cs!clyde.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying or not laying? Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:40:38 -0700 Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 26 Message-ID: <33728EA6.27F9@open.ac.uk> References: <3367BD62.27F6@homer.louisville.edu> <5k8qhs$dsd$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8153 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > Bruce A. Vance wrote in article <3367BD62.27F6@homer.louisville.edu>... > > However, the bees are beginning to cap some cells. Are these > >brood cells or honey cells? > The OLd Drone uses this scientific method....."uncap a cell or as many as > needed and taste contents" > The honey should taste sweeter then the bee grubs depending on your own > tastes, some say the grubs are salty, but I suspect they are not. Oh, yuk! you are a one. But, I know someone who once removed an established swarm from a disused chimney above a Chinese restaurant, and was asked for brood comb by a waiter - quote "velly milky - a delicacy!" - any reason to suppose bee larvae are eaten in some parts of the world? > Good Lunch, ttul the OLd Drone Whurp! Grooosh! Richard. ~~~~~~~~ -- The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at readers own risk. Article 8154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!worldnet.att.net!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.silcom.com!paulc From: paulc@silcom.com (Paul Cronshaw,D.C.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catalog on bee supplies Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 23:06:28 -0700 Organization: Milpas Chiropractic Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <5km08r$obd$1@news10.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-7.sba.silcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8154 In article <5km08r$obd$1@news10.gte.net>, mpayne@gte.net wrote: > Any one know where I can get a good catalog on buying bee supplies. > Thanks for any help you can give me. Mark. PLEASE e-mail to > mpayne@gte.net Try MannLake 1-800-233-6663 http://www.mannlakeltd.com Just a happy customer of this company -- Paul Cronshaw DC Cyberchiro and Hobby Beekeeper Santa Barbara CA Article 8155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: small@children Subject: photo district Organization: ikonta Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 02:34:48 -0400 Lines: 27 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!graylady.usa1.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8155 Hi, we'll get right to the point. We operate one of the finest quality custom color labs in the USA. To introduce you to our service we're offering the following Internet enlargement special: Your color negatives hand printed on Kodak Supra Professional 16x20 inch paper. All negatives printed full frame. 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Article 8158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bee Olfaction Date: 10 May 1997 18:47:54 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5l2fsq$qsa$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3373F394.15A4@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8158 In article <3373F394.15A4@erols.com>, Charles Brand wrote: >Do honey bees smell only through their antennae? Or can they smell >with/through other organs as well? Good question. I'd say only antennae. But you never can be too sure. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!news-peer.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: King blossoms open Date: 10 May 1997 21:06:25 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bc5d86$06d5b180$656ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-37.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 10 4:06:25 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8159 Just noted that the king blossoms (first to open in a cluster of blossoms) on one of our Apple trees here at home are open. And after several days of chilly rainy weather we are having a sunny pleasant day with folks yards just covered with all those lovely yellow flowers of springtime, the dandelions. Wed. 7 May 1997 was our first graft of this season. I grafted 220 cups and my 8 yr. old boy, Jared, grafted 20. The weather has been less than the best for cell building the past few days but the cell builders had been set up with more than enough bees, fresh pollen and unripened never capped honey so they at least had every advantage we could give them. Got to go till the garden (if it isn't too wet) and plant peas and potatoes. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!fido.news.demon.net!demon!newsgate.unisource.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Jan Tempelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: searching for mac - beekeeping software Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:28:24 +0200 Organization: Home Message-ID: <3374E86F.2199@xs4all.nl> References: Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: spy01-12.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-XS4ALL-Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:26:14 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8160 Dominik Sele wrote: > > Hello > I'm a beekeeper from Liechtenstein (Europe) and searching for beekeeping > software for macintosh computers. > WHOTE DO YOU NEED???? -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. 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We do authorize and encourage the forwarding of this message to interested parties, for the purpose of informing them of Internet Communications Inc. services. Article 8162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stevedorer@aol.com (StevedoreR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chunk Honey Date: 10 May 1997 22:34:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 45 Message-ID: <19970510223201.SAA19147@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <01bc5954$3c942d00$48567ec2@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8162 5 May 1997, Peter Williams wrote: >This year some of my regular customers have requested chunk honey. Does >anyone have advice on the presentation and bottling of this product - I'm >not sure as to the best way of reducing the bubbles which could be trapped >between honey and comb. Any other tips would be gratefully received. Quoting from a book called The Complete Guide to Beekeeping by Roger A. Morse ©1986 on pages 147 and 148 ——— "Chunk honey is a piece(s) of cut comb honey in a jar surrounded by liquid honey. Chunk-honey packs have been favorites in the southern states for decades. However, most of the honeys produced in the southern states are much slower to granulate than those produced in the northern states. Thus a chunk-honey pack would have a shelf life of four to six months in the south while in the north a similar pack might have a shelf life of only a few weeks. A granulated chunk-honey pack has little appeal to the average purchaser. "Producers of combs of honey to be cut into smaller pieces usually follow the same management techniques used by comb honey producers; however, it is not necessary to pay quite so much attention to detail. The fact that there are no dividers or fences between the combs, as there are in comb honey supers, makes the chunk-honey supers less crowded and swarming is not so much of a problem. Chunk-honey producers do not need to crowd their colonies to force the bees to fill every section. Pieces of comb not perfectly filled may be trimmed or not used at all without too much monetary loss. In the production of comb honey a producer cannot afford to discard too many sections just because of the extra cost of the wood and labor involved in preparing the supers. "It is possible to produce a few frames of chunk honey by placing the frames in the center of an ordinary extracting honey super. If this is done, the super should have only light-colored combs on either side of the frames in which chunk honey is to be produced; otherwise, the chunk-honey frames will be travel-stained and will not have a good appearance. Whenever a light-colored comb is placed next to an old, dark comb, it can be observed that bees just walking from one comb to another carry enough residue on their feet to stain the new comb. Removing the newly filled comb, in the case of the production of both comb honey and chunk honey, is advisable for the same reason." I had something else about bottling it - from Dadant, I think, and I'll try to send that when I find it or get another one. Steve Article 8163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stevedorer@aol.com (StevedoreR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: inactive 3# package of Starlines Date: 10 May 1997 22:43:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19970510224201.SAA19635@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8163 I recently installed a 3# package of Starlines in a row of other newly installed 2# Italian packages (same day), but the Italians don't fly around as much. I though that Starlines are the best honey producers. Also, in the time it took the Starlines to eat an inch off their 5# jar of 2:1 medicated sugar syrup, 3 of the 11 Italians had emptied theirs. The hive is queenright, and has capped brood. Does anyone know why they're so inactive? Thanks, Steve Article 8164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: inactive 3# package of Starlines Date: 11 May 1997 00:10:45 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 37 Message-ID: <01bc5d9f$ca39cc60$516ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <19970510224201.SAA19635@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 10 5:10:45 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8164 StevedoreR wrote in article <19970510224201.SAA19635@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > I recently installed a 3# package of Starlines in a row of other newly > installed 2# Italian packages (same day), but the Italians don't fly > around as much. I though that Starlines are the best honey producers. > Also, in the time it took the Starlines to eat an inch off their 5# jar of > 2:1 medicated sugar syrup, 3 of the 11 Italians had emptied theirs. The > hive is queenright, and has capped brood. Does anyone know why they're so > inactive? > > Thanks, > Steve > Howdy Steve, When you buy package bees only the queen's strain type is specified. The bees in the package could be from a completely different race or stock type. So you can't judge them until the queen's progeny has pretty much replaced the bees from the package. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!a3bsrv.nai.net!usenet From: Lieberman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: Extractor Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:21:20 -0400 Organization: North American Internet Lines: 2 Message-ID: <33752D1E.1CAB@ct2.nai.net> Reply-To: mkl@ct2.nai.net NNTP-Posting-Host: torrington-usr1-37.nai.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8165 Have a Kelly #200 two frame extractor with stainless tank for sale in Connecticut, $125 860-567-9787 or mkl@ct2.nai.net Article 8166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.visi.net!news.infi.net!news.infi.net!not-for-mail From: mystang Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:27:34 -0700 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <337574E6.4E7A@pottsville.infi.net> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa2dsp12.pot.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8166 RICK SUK wrote: > > I'm about to purchase my first hive. One keeper I've spoken to recommended using three mediums instead of two > deeps for the hive body. The rationale being that I would have all interchangeable parts if I used all medium > equipment. Being a small operation, I can see the advantage. What are my drawbacks? My two cents worth. I'm in my 2nd year and use 2 deeps, and am planning on using mediums the rest of the way. Empty deeps in between 2 inner covers work well with gallon pickle jars for feeding. My 11 hives are exceeding my expectations. MIKE Article 8167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!mr.net!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail From: jimnvick@humboldt1.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are there bees in your clover? Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:24:59 -0700 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <33754A1B.4864@humboldt1.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp49.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8167 There are over 3500 species of bees in North America - and they all pollinate. Honey bees are the most recognized and appreciated since they provide us with the sweet stuff. Jim -- /// =@()(() \\\ Article 8168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top-Bar Hive Question Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:41:29 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <33755C09.1317@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.133.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8168 I have become interested in Top-Bar hives and have been reading what I can find here on the net, but I still have a few questions before I start nailing. 1. How do keep brood and honey separated? 2. Do you install the bees at the entrance end and move a divider down as they grow, or do they make an orderly progression down the hive on their own? Thanks, Pete Article 8169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: The beekeeping bbs Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 05:27:17 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <33755836.946412@news.wn.com.au> References: <863243789@amigabee.org.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8169 >You can now logon with your browser! The Beekeeping bbs at: >HTTP://WWW194.112.46.22 or Telnet & FTP at the IP Address: 194.112.46.22 >The Beekeeping bbs home page allows access to the bbs using HTML I dont seem to be able to log in with my browser, have I misunderstood something? Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia Telephone (61) (08) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Distributors of BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!zetnet.co.uk!usenet From: gordon.cameron@zetnet.co.uk (Gordon Cameron) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mason or masonry bees Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:24:56 GMT Message-ID: <337580e9.88864625@znews.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: man-064.dialup.zetnet.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8170 Can anyone give me information on bees that live in the wall of my house. I have just moved to an old (1840) house in East Lothian, Scotland and the south facing wall by the window seems to be home to a large group of bees. They enter through small holes in the pointing between the brickwork. I have four young children and a young and inquisitive dog. Do the bees pose any hazard? Do they sting - I've been told that they probably dont - or are there any other steps I should take re the childrens safety? I would like to leave the bees in peace - but would have to convince myself and my wife that they are harmless. Any advice will be gratefully received - either by return posting or by email. Gordon. Article 8171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <336E2CF3.2E7D@tdsbbs.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 13:54:43 -0500 From: dan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: bees Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="B-dayCake.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="B-dayCake.jpg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 2063 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!136.142.185.26!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.icubed.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8171 /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAAAAlgCWAAD//gAfTEVBRCBUZWNobm9sb2dpZXMgSW5jLiBWMS4wMQD/ 2wCEABALDA4MChAODQ4SERATGCgaGBYWGDEjJR0oOzQ+PTo0OThBSV1PQUVYRjg5UW9SWGBj aWppP05ze3Jmel1naWQBERISGBUYLxoaL2RDOUNkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRkZGRk 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J. Bowie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The beekeeping bbs Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:28:54 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3375E5B6.54AB@usit.net> References: <863243789@amigabee.org.uk> <33755836.946412@news.wn.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.241.214.59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8172 Ken Morris wrote: > > > >You can now logon with your browser! The Beekeeping bbs at: > >HTTP://WWW194.112.46.22 or Telnet & FTP at the IP Address: 194.112.46.22 > >The Beekeeping bbs home page allows access to the bbs using HTML > > > I dont seem to be able to log in with my browser, have I misunderstood > something? > Regards, Might try http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm Article 8173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!198.6.114.27!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1808.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top-Bar Hive Question Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:55:30 -0400 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 50 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <33755C09.1317@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1808.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8173 Hello, Pete. Good questions. Well, there are different ways to keep the honey and brood separated. Some folks make a vertically-oriented queen excluder which can be slid in after the first 15 or so combs, to keep the queen on a certain number of combs. My preference is to have the entrance at one end only (the "front"). That is, parallel to the combs, and not on the sides of the hive. With this arrangement, the bees follow their natural pattern, having the brood nest closest to the entrance, followed by pollen/nectar, and finally honey stored farthest away from the entrance. This way, you just start harvesting at the far end, working your way toward the entrance-end. The combs should be all (or practically all) honey this way. Now, another trick is: use a honey-filled comb as a queen-barrier. The queen is normally reluctant to pass over honey, so put a good honey comb or two where you want the brood nest to stop, and this should help keep the queen toward the front of the hive. Regarding installation, you can first allow the bees access to the first 8-10 bars, next to the entrance, by blocking the rest of the space off with a piece of snug cardboard, perhaps stapled to a top-bar. This will help them to conserve heat as well. Make sure you give them sugar syrup for the first several weeks, so they can keep making nice full combs. Once they have a dozen combs or so, you can quit feeding, and they should be well on their way. Have fun, and let me know how you make out! Joel Govostes Freeville (upstate central) NY In article <33755C09.1317@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net wrote: > I have become interested in Top-Bar hives and have been > reading what I can find here on the net, but I still have > a few questions before I start nailing. > > 1. How do keep brood and honey separated? > > 2. Do you install the bees at the entrance end and move > a divider down as they grow, or do they make an orderly > progression down the hive on their own? > > Thanks, > > Pete Article 8174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.pbi.net!nntp.mainstreet.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!news.southeast.net!news From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite Cures ????? Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:04:21 -0700 Organization: Southeast Network Services, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <33746445.11C8@worldnet.att.net> References: <19970502231100.TAA08970@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts2-23.aug.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Dmich321 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8174 don't know if michigan has a state bee inspection service, but i know msu has apicultural extension...contact them with your query, as you may have a problem other than mites and they should be of some help in ruling out other diseases or management solutions. it is highly encouraging that you still have feral swarms in your area to repopulate with, suggesting the existence of some kind of survivor stock in the wild. Article 8175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.pbi.net!nntp.mainstreet.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!news.southeast.net!news From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee virus? Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:26:44 -0700 Organization: Southeast Network Services, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <33746984.3F08@worldnet.att.net> References: <01bc5af9$0d98b740$5c04c010@Ballabio.mln.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts2-23.aug.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8175 if you can rule out pesticide poisoning (may mimic symptoms and not mutually exclusive, especially the hairless black syndrome and shivering/trembling) it could well be one of the paralysis viruses (slow or chronic) which can be activated/vectored by nosema (a protozoan) as well as tracheal and varroa mites...there is no known cure except indirectly by treating for these, requeening with less susceptible strains/stocks, and sometimes spontaneous remissions (which can then repeat in times of colony stress). Article 8176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeducat Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 05:42:02 -0700 Organization: Southeast Network Services, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3375BE9A.5997@worldnet.att.net> References: <5et27b$30j@chronicle.concentric.net> <33063482.BDF@ix.netcom.com> <330E1A57.4E <9705052257501666@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-18.aug.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: jromano@worldnet.att.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.iac.net!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.cmc.net!sloth.swcp.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!news.southeast.net!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8176 not sure if this is what you were referring to, but it may be close: al needham's "learn about honeybees & beekeeping" software, found at http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine also, i believe you can access the bee-l archives through the "internet apiculture & beekeeping archives" http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html hope they lead to what you're searching for! Article 8177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.apfel.de!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!oleane!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The beekeeping bbs Message-ID: <863350491@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:34:51 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Beenet the computer network for beekeepers Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8177 On May 11, 1997 06:27am, KENM@WN.COM.AU wrote to ALL: >>You can now logon with your browser! The Beekeeping bbs at: >>HTTP://WWW194.112.46.22 or Telnet & FTP at the IP Address: 194.112.46.22 >>The Beekeeping bbs home page allows access to the bbs using HTML > K> I dont seem to be able to log in with my browser, have I misunderstood K> something? Hello Ken, Sorry I made a few errors with the posting (learning curve) browser http: 194.112.46.22 its not a proper www address but an IP address which will take you to my bbs logon page use the right hand icon to logon as a new user. Its fully HTML and interactive with the conferences. You will not have download or write access to the Beenet areas untill I upgrade your security access level, I'm working on a way of this happening automatically with a questionnaire. Or use Telnet or FTP to access the bbs use the same IP address 194.112.46.22 Its not 24 hrs but will be up all weekends and evenings, its a good way to see what beenet offers. Regards steve Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 8178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!mr.net!europa.clark.net!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!sol.pdnt.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.midusa.net!postmaster From: whummer@ciai.net (William S. Hummer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NUCS and Queens Date: 11 May 1997 04:32:11 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5l3i4b$9de1@news.midusa.net> References: <19970501130600.JAA28937@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.155.72.71 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8178 In article <19970501130600.JAA28937@ladder01.news.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com says... > > > What is a safe period of time one can wait before introducing mail order >queens into boxes of brood pulled to make nucs? > I have time to pull the frames from my very strong hives but am still >waiting for mail order queens to arrive-expect them any day now. I feel that it is safe to have the bees with out a queen like that for as long as 10 days. Just make sure you go through and cut out any queen cells that they might have built. Article 8179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MSU looking to hire Date: 11 May 1997 14:43:41 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <19970511184301.OAA27434@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <17B668028S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8179 In article <17B668028S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) writes: > >$24-$27K and a PhD is required!?!?!??!!! MSU is GOING to have to do a >LOT better than that to attract and keep anyone. In today's market >that's barely entry level for a BS let alone a PhD! > Probably make more money mowing the lawns or unclogging the drains at MSU Sure glad I didn't chase my future in academia. Article 8180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bloom Date: 11 May 1997 15:41:04 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19970511194101.PAA28937@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8180 Here in CT near the sound The king blossoms on my semi dwarf apple trees are open and some of the blossoms on early strawberries are as well. I am also beginning to see some opening on blueberries. hobbiest with 20 hives Article 8181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supers Date: 11 May 1997 15:41:06 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19970511194100.PAA28938@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8181 I have a half dozen good bee books and from my reading this escapes me- Just what does happen if you put honey supers on early? If I am reversing my brood chambers on a regular basis then not much brood will end up in the honey supers so barring that what gives? Today I set out a swarm trap with a comb of honey in it and some lures (the ones that smell like lemon balm) If the bees rob the honey comb then they will at least know the swarm trap is there. Article 8182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Patrick Woodward Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mason or masonry bees Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:28:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1997051120280070824@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: piccadilly.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.10c 10001899 Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8182 As far as I am aware they are stingless but not harmless. Given enough time they will bore away all the mortar leaving nothing to hold the house up! -- Patrick Woodward ___ ___ ___ ___ pat.w@zetnet.co.uk / \___/ \___/ \___/ \ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ / \___/ \___/ \ \___/ \ _ / \___/ / \ /O O \ _ / \ \___/ \~~~ / // \ \___/ / \ /--\// )) / \ \___/()==/()== \__./ \___/ / \()=( ()= ) / \ \___/ \____/ \___/ / \ |||| / \ \___/ (/ \) \___/ / \___ ___/ \ \___/ \___ ___/ \___/ / \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ Article 8183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!worldnet.att.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: stevedorer@aol.com (StevedoreR) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping bumble bees? Date: 11 May 1997 20:53:09 GMT Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19970512005300.UAA08074@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <336F775E.73514B98@cmsinc.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8183 I heard that they do make honey, but just a little bit, not enough to harvest a surplus. Steve Article 8184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Julie A Bess Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking to buy bees & Queen Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:18:03 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <33766FCB.7E7E@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: majaw@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.234.75 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8184 I am getting back into bees again. I am looking for a placeto buy bees that will ship to me. I am in Tucson,AZ and already have checked here. the supply is limited. So any help is welcome. Mike Article 8185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dncmccloud@aol.com (DncMcCloud) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ground Swarm Date: 12 May 1997 01:37:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970512013700.VAA03480@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8185 I have recovered a few swarms over the past two years, but I have never run across any swarms on the ground. Saturday, I was called to work a "basketball of bees" on the ground. I was out of town then, but intend to get them tomorrow. - Are ground swarms a normal occurrence? - Are any special precautions needed in recovering them? Article 8186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ground Swarm Date: 12 May 1997 02:07:46 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 51 Message-ID: <01bc5e79$4ed580c0$7d6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <19970512013700.VAA03480@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-61.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 11 9:07:46 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8186 DncMcCloud wrote in article <19970512013700.VAA03480@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > I have recovered a few swarms over the past two years, but I have never > run across any swarms on the ground. Saturday, I was called to work a > "basketball of bees" on the ground. I was out of town then, but intend to > get them tomorrow. - Are ground swarms a normal occurrence? > - Are any special precautions needed in recovering them? > > Most times around here swarms on the ground are due to the fact the hive had a clipped queen. Generally these clipped queens are our breeders that are getting older and additionally are being kept in small quarters (nucs) when they are in reality the dandiest queens we can find. We restrict them with hopes of extending their life as breeder queens. Since they are the dandies you can bet your bottom dollar they keep trying to bust out of the nuc boxes. Mind you they often have far more bees than can actually fit in the blooming box before they swarm (if we have failed to keep ahead of them - which happens) but even those reluctant to swarm will do it eventually especially headed by an older queen. These swarms will at times fly out and hang in a tree until they figure out Mama ain't with 'em. Then they go huntin' for her and cluster on the ground where she is. Got to see the whole process one day as I drove to the breeder yard just as one of the nucs was pitching a swarm. Mama hadn't even jumped out of the box before the swarm was already settling on a staghorn sumac bush (is it a bush? technically?) - when I saw her hit the ground I picked her up - stuffed her in a queen cage and tied it to a tree branch with a string. Then I pulled out my lunch and watched them search for her, find her and cluster. Then just for fun I moved her and made them find her again so I could see the show all over. Very fascinating. Just left them hanging there the rest of the afternoon (caged queen so the swarm wasn't leaving) and rehived them that evening. I have caught a swarm out of a tree which had two queens and was on the ground. Once you get the queen(s) in your hive the bees will waltz in (bees do all sorts of dances so why not waltzes?). -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top-Bar Hive Question Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:39:01 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5l5vn2$4bc$1@nntp.pe.net> References: <33755C09.1317@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8187 In article <33755C09.1317@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>, PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net wrote: >I have become interested in Top-Bar hives and have been >reading what I can find here on the net, but I still have >a few questions before I start nailing. > >1. How do keep brood and honey separated? I think, although I have only kept bees in a top bar hive for one month, that the queen is putting her brood in the middle, just like the queen does in the Langstroth frames, and that they store nectar towards the end plates of comb at the ends of the top bar. As for me, I will take what I get and like it, and I am sure it will be good. > >2. Do you install the bees at the entrance end and move > a divider down as they grow, or do they make an orderly > progression down the hive on their own? Mine started clustering and hanging in a big mass from the center top bars and they built up the comb first on those center ones and that seems to be, for the most part, where the brood is being reared. Are you going to start right in with keeping bees in a top bar hive? I think that is fine and I retract any previous statement that the beekeeper should start out first in Langstroth frames. Article 8188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: brood on the bottom board Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:45:09 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3376A055.2B5@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca9-56.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 11 11:52:44 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8188 Just added a third medium depth super on my hives today to give them plenty of room for brood before I start the honey supers. Also added slatted racks underneath the first brood box for ventilation - it was 85 degrees where I keep my hives. I was just dismayed, however, to see a whole ball of brood on one of my bottom boards! The bees were frantic too....What was this? Do you think that they were laying some in burr comb which was broken when I repositioned all the boxes? Then, in watching what they did, they marched the dead brood out the box, and then sucked some fluid from their bodies before pushing them off the lip of the bottom board. Appreciate help in understanding what I saw. 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Box 248 Lake Village, IN 46349 USA phone 219-992-2413 fax 219-992-2644 visit our website http://www.centralcontrolsystems.com/saylordesign/photo/prolab.htm Article 8190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: The beekeeping bbs Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:26:04 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <337719e5.3232501@news.wn.com.au> References: <863350491@amigabee.org.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8190 >Sorry I made a few errors with the posting (learning curve) > >browser http: 194.112.46.22 its not a proper www address but an IP address >which will take you to my bbs logon page use the right hand icon to logon as a >new user. Its fully HTML and interactive with the conferences. Thanks Steve, I couldn't get in, but at least my browser didn't sneer this time, I'll try again later. Thanks again. Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia Telephone (61) (08) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Distributors of BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!ibc29.cahe.wsu.edu!user From: !cel@wsunix.wsu.edu (CEL) Subject: Re: Are the Bees in Your Clover? Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:43:48 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ibc29.cahe.wsu.edu References: <19970503033400.XAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5ku7o9$iog$1@nntp.pe.net> Organization: wsu Lines: 39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8191 In article <5ku7o9$iog$1@nntp.pe.net>, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: > In article >Don't get me wrong: I like bees. I am taking a bee-keeping course right > >now. I find their biology to be fascinating, but squash, tomatoes, beans > >and corn are native american vegetables, and were pollinated by native > >american bees long before the "white man's flies" ever came along. > >Frankly, I suspect that in my area at least, the damage to feral honeybees > >has been mites. I say this because I live in a heavily farmed region, and > >yet all the native bees are around. They aren't succumbing to pesticides. > > What reference is there for the quote, above? > How do you know what the original, native American bees looked like? I did not say that I "know what native american bees look like" (read carefully above). I did say that honeybees are not native american bees. This is supposedly common knowledge (read further in this thread, for instance). I am truly sorry if this disturbs anyone, but that's the way it is. Honeybees weren't here until Europeans brought them over (I believe that Jametown was the first colony to get any, but you could probably look this up somewhere). If you are truly interested, I'll try to get some references. There have been quite a few popular columns written on this recently. By the way, Thomas Jefferson was the first know person to refer to them in writing as "white man's flies". On the other hand, if you were merely sniping at me, then I don't suppose that there were any bees at all when the continent was under water, however many years ago. It does look as though there were trilobites and snail type animals though. . . I got that from the fossil record. CEL -- Remove ! in front of address if you need to reply. . . Zone 5/6 (sometimes even 7), intermountain region, Western USA What this means is dry, with extremes in temp! "I am a professional. Do not try this in your own home." Article 8192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rclynn@aol.com (RCLynn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ground Swarm Date: 12 May 1997 23:52:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <19970512235100.TAA26283@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <01bc5e79$4ed580c0$7d6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8192 I was wondering the same thing about ground swarms this spring. I found two in the same week. I didn't know what else to do so I took a hive body filled with foundation and set right down over them. I blocked it up with a few wooden blocks so I didn't mash them. A few days later they were all in the hive body, so I picked them up and put a bottom board under them, screened the openings and took them home. One is the best swarm I got this year. Randy Lynn Article 8193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bee Olfaction Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 04:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705122029181754@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3373F394.15A4@erols.com> Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8193 CB>From: Charles Brand >Subject: Honey Bee Olfaction CB>Do honey bees smell only through their antennae? Or can they smell >with/through other organs as well? They are covered with sensory pits that can be view under a microscope if you part the hairs you will see them... --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... When the bee-hive casts its swarm; Article 8194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!supernews.com!news From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ground Swarm Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 03:58:15 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3377e1f3.4353076@news.magick.net> References: <19970512013700.VAA03480@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s04.p1.gp.magick.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8194 On 12 May 1997 01:37:56 GMT, dncmccloud@aol.com (DncMcCloud) wrote: >I have recovered a few swarms over the past two years, but I have never >run across any swarms on the ground. Saturday, I was called to work a >"basketball of bees" on the ground. I was out of town then, but intend to >get them tomorrow. - Are ground swarms a normal occurrence? > - Are any special precautions needed in recovering them? > Not normal but maby just as good. Queen too fat or old to fly verry far. Ive hived quite a few and have always had good luck so far. Much better hiving as you just set the hive in front of em as opposed to watching them fly away from their 40foot perch in the tree tops. Noticed both virgins and mated queens select the ground sometimes. They will readly crawl into an upturned box placed over them if you have no hive ready. Real easy to spot the queen(s) on smooth(pavement?) ground, but not so easy in the weeds. The only special precautions are to let them find their own way into the box(s) which takes a little more time than shaking them into a container covering and leaving for home as you wauld if they were on a low limb of a tree. good luck. Tim Article 8195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!news.nstn.ca!bignews.cycor.ca!ch-as19 From: ecopei@cycor.ca (Sharon Labchuk) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: testing for varroa without apistan Date: Tue, 13 May 97 03:40:39 GMT Organization: Environmental Coalition of PEI Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5l8jov$5jg@storm.cycor.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ch-as19.peinet.pe.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8195 Can someone give me instructions for testing for varroa without apistan? The only method I've heard of involves putting bees in a jar with alcohol. Sharon Labchuk Article 8196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!europa.clark.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!news.qut.edu.au!droid.fit.qut.edu.au!n1424441 From: Shane Marshall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in Brisbane Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:06:18 +1000 Organization: Queensland University of Technology, Australia Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: droid.fit.qut.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: n1424441@droid.fit.qut.edu.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8196 I'm interested in keeping bees in Brisbane, Australia. Can anybody help me with where to find information, and where to buy some equipment? Shane Article 8197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ais.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!wgs1.btl.net!sysop@btl.net From: stan@btl.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MOre MOney $$$ (0/1) Date: 13 May 1997 06:33:03 GMT Organization: BTL.NET Lines: 1 Message-ID: <5l91uv$rgk@wgs1.btl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port47.btl.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8197 Article 8198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: testing for varroa without apistan Date: 13 May 1997 11:14:23 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 55 Message-ID: <01bc5f8e$cbc34ca0$238cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5l8jov$5jg@storm.cycor.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-03.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 13 6:14:23 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8198 Sharon Labchuk wrote in article <5l8jov$5jg@storm.cycor.ca>... > Can someone give me instructions for testing for varroa without apistan? The > only method I've heard of involves putting bees in a jar with alcohol. Howdy Sharon, I suspect the method you meant was the ether roll. Wherein you put 200-500 bees in a glass jar - spray in a blast of ether (car starting fluid) and then roll them. The mites (at least some of them) stick to the side of the jar so you can more easily spot them. The bees used perish. BEE sure you don't include the queen in the ether roll test. You can also use a mite fall trap (sticky board trap) to test for Vmites without Apistan - it is described (though for a quite different use) on http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/HIP1.html - (toward the end where HYG testing is also described). Additionally breaking open drone brood reveals the Vmites - and you often do this in a routine inspection if you seperate brood boxes and the bees have drone brood betwixt them. Instead of letting the broken drone brood be just a total waste of the bees efforts make wise use of it and survey it for Vmites. Also you can use a (un)capping fork to spear drone pupae - pull them out and look for Vmites IN THE CELLS (with good light - sunlight over shoulder or a flashlight on a cloudy day). Plus you look on the drone pupae as well. You may want to try spearing drone brood from several frames if you don't find Vmites on the first batch (nor in the now emptied drone cells) as at low levels of infestation the Vmites do not appear to be evenly dispersed throughout the brood nest - so you may find them in one place whilst you find none in other places. Alois Wallner (Austrian commercial beekeeper) actually cuts out a half frame of drone brood (drone trapping method of biological control - must be repeated several times each season) and then to make a survey he breaks that apart to have a look-see at how many mites per how many drone pupaes. Seems like someone has a method using heat in a oven too - don't know the particulars on that method - perhaps someone else will add to this. Best wishes, -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.pagesat.net!news.he.net!news.cichlid.com!news.ucdavis.edu!info.ucla.edu!nntp.ucr.edu!rumors.ucr.edu!entmlgy101.ucr.edu!user From: Visscher@citrus.ucr.edu (Kirk Visscher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bee Olfaction Date: 12 May 1997 19:05:34 GMT Organization: UCR Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3373F394.15A4@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: entmlgy101.ucr.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8199 In article <3373F394.15A4@erols.com>, Charles Brand wrote: > Do honey bees smell only through their antennae? Or can they smell > with/through other organs as well? The antennae are the principal organs of smell, but they also have chemical receptors in other parts. For instance, they can taste sugar more sensitively with their feet than with their proboscis (tongue). However, removing the antennae removes the bees ability to orient to odors, at least while flying. Article 8200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsserver.qms.com!news From: todd@rd.qms.com (Todd Brian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding swarm to existing queenless hive. Date: 13 May 1997 12:22:27 GMT Organization: QMS,Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <5l9me3$6kf@newsserver.qms.com> Reply-To: todd@rd.qms.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.33.128.92 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8200 A friend just gave me a swarm w/queen last night. I want to add it to a failing queenless hive. What should I do to ensure proper acceptance? Todd Article 8201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!not-for-mail From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: testing for varroa without apistan Date: 13 May 1997 17:43:58 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <5la98u$sn1@chronicle.concentric.net> References: <5l8jov$5jg@storm.cycor.ca> <01bc5f8e$cbc34ca0$238cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: viking.concentric.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8201 Jack Griffes (NoSpamWanted@spamfree.net) wrote: : : Sharon Labchuk wrote in article : > Can someone give me instructions for testing for varroa without apistan? : The : > only method I've heard of involves putting bees in a jar with alcohol. : : Howdy Sharon, : : I suspect the method you meant was the ether roll. Wherein you put 200-500 : bees in a glass jar - spray in a blast of ether (car starting fluid) and : then roll them. The mites (at least some of them) stick to the side of the : jar so you can more easily spot them. The bees used perish. BEE sure you : don't include the queen in the ether roll test. I don't like to kill off my bees. Car starting ether usually contains varying amounts of _petroleum ether_ which is a light distillate and very lethal to bees and people. I use a small amount of trichloroethane on a piece of paper (a couple of square inches) and throw it in the jar with the bees. It knocks the bees down in about 15 to 20 seconds. The mites stick to th sides of the jar on the moisture from the bees respiration. Generally the bees recover in about 10 to 15 minutes. Trichloroethane is used as a degreaser. I use Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber available in the sporting goods dept of WalMart. Timothy Kooney Article 8202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ulysses.midtown.net!news From: TiPnRiNg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sacramento area Beekeeping Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:58:06 -0700 Organization: Midtown Computer Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <33788F8E.5453@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sl12.midtown.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8202 Does anyone know of any Sacramento / El Dorado county area bee clubs or beekeepers? I'd like to soak up a little knowledge. maybe even do a little "bee work" in exchange for a lesson or two. Article 8203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: REMOVEcdg1@concentric.net (Charles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queens Available - Albuquerque New Mexico USA Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:28:36 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5lafdk$ffk@chronicle.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057039.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8203 X-no-archive: yes I have a limited number of queens available for pick up only in Albuquerque, These are bred from a colony that survived for 5 years without mite treatments and the breeder queen lays very consistant full frames of brood. I believe because of their survival without treatments, they have built up some mite resistantance Contact me ASAP if interested -- Charles To reply to this post, please remove the word REMOVE from my email address. Article 8204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!stdio!echoes.wittenberg.edu!callisto.cns.muskingum.edu!oucsboss!shimizu.chem.ohiou.edu!user From: tip*@ai.chem.ohiou.edu (Tom Perigrin) Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep X-Nntp-Posting-Host: shimizu.chem.ohiou.edu Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu May 8 11:47:11 1997 Organization: Ohio University References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:47:17 GMT Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8204 In article <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, "Jack Griffes" wrote: > Potential drawbacks > 1) if you buy Nucs they will likely come in Deep frames > 2) interchangeability means you end up with brood comb (attractive to wax > moth) mixed in amongst the honey comb (relatively unattractive if it has > never had brood) > 3) hmmm- must be more - maybe someone else will add to the list I decided to use deep brood boxes because I prefered "contiguous" brood. If one has brood spread across two boxes, that means there will be a space between the brood comb in the two boxes. However, most of the time I think the queen will be happy in just one box. If one has brood in three boxes, there will be TWO gaps, and I think that the queen will be forced to work across that gap more often. I have no evidence that having gaps in the brood is a bad thing, BUT, I have no evidence that it is a good thing or a benign thing. Thus, being somewhat conservative when it comes to my little bee buddies, I decided to stick to the more "tried and true" method, and allow other people to do the experiment. Tom ------ Due to the increasing prevelance of bulk mail senders that automatically extract names from newsgroup postings, I have had to "bugger" my e-mail address. To send email directly to me, please remove the "*" in my e-mail address. 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Should have been diff. between capped brood and honey. The O'Keefes wrote in article <01bc5ff5$86492ca0$2e783ccf@dennishome>... > > Article 8207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ground Swarm Date: 14 May 1997 01:18:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <19970514011800.VAA24560@ladder01.news.aol.com> References: <3377e1f3.4353076@news.magick.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8207 I had picked up a swarm one time that was on the ground and in with the swarm was a small dead branch. The queen had landed on the dead branch and the weight of the bees was to much and the branch broke with everything landing on the ground around 20 feet below. Article 8208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.jax.bellsouth.net!news.rdu.bellsouth.net!news.sdf.bellsouth.net!news.atl.bellsouth.net!not-for-mail From: "Sam Nickerson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in GA? Date: 14 May 1997 01:32:09 GMT Organization: Nickerson & Co. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bb4135$1fc1fe60$e30535cf@samn.bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-207-53-5-227.atl.bellsouth.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8208 I had a hive as a teen that did well, and enjoyed the hoby much. One Michigan spring flood wiped out the hive and I never did get things put together again. Now I am wondering if a hive can be kept in Atlanta GA (actually Suwanee) and if so where to get supplies. I am a woodworker on the hobby side and would like to build my hives if there are plans anywhere? Are there any beekeepers in the Atlanta area? Too late to start a hive yet? Would finding a used established hive be a better option? Its been a very long time (20 years) but I hope that beekeeping hasnt changed alot, do the bees in the hive now use the internet to communicate or is dancing still fashionable? Appreciate any help or direction, Sam Nickerson Article 8209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!aquila.sni-usa.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: testing for varroa without apistan Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 06:06:01 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5lbkj5$b24$2@nntp.pe.net> References: <5l8jov$5jg@storm.cycor.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: arlington.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8209 In article <5l8jov$5jg@storm.cycor.ca>, ecopei@cycor.ca (Sharon Labchuk) wrote: >Can someone give me instructions for testing for varroa without apistan? The >only method I've heard of involves putting bees in a jar with alcohol. I have seen a description of how waxed paper can be put on the bottom of the hive, under the frames and on top of the bottom board, and then later on if there are mites in there they can be seen on close inspection of the waxed paper. There was something else about that too, like smearing vaseline on the waxed paper so the little buggers would stick to it and die. Article 8210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@mail.wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: Bees in Brisbane Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:45:39 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@mail.wn.com.au Message-ID: <337994f6.243867@news.wn.com.au> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 36 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8210 On Tue, 13 May 1997 16:06:18 +1000, Shane Marshall wrote: >I'm interested in keeping bees in Brisbane, Australia. Can anybody help >me with where to find information, and where to buy some equipment? > >Shane > > Hello Shane, A few addresses of Queensland beekeeping supply houses from my files, hope they help. I'm not sure of their proximity to Brisbane, so have included them all. They are cut and pasted from a database, so I hope they format OK. If not send me an e-mail and I will attach a file, rather than take up space in the Newsgroup. Nice to see an entry from an a Australian beekeeper, I'd begun to wonder if any other Australian beekeepers follow this excellent newsgroup! TA & FH Bradford Mt Nebo Rd MT NEBO QLD John L Guilfoyle Pty Ltd 772 Boundary Rd RICHLANDS QLD Superior Bee Supplies 10 Jijaws St SUMNER PARK QLD Tolga Woodworks Kennedy Highway TOLGA QLD Toowoomba Honey & Bee Equipment Sales 513 Boundary Rd TOOWOOMBA QLD Beeco Pty Ltd Glen Rd WARWICK QLD M Pearce 83 Odessa St GRANVILLE QLD Hello Honey Eungella Rd MARIAN QLD Morayfield Apiaries 27 Oakey Flat Rd MORAYFIELD QLD Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia Telephone (61) (08) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Distributors of BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: 14 May 1997 11:28:42 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5lc7la$4c0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8211 In article , Tom Perigrin wrote: > >I decided to use deep brood boxes because I preferred "contiguous" brood. >If one has brood spread across two boxes, that means there will be a space >between the brood comb in the two boxes. However, most of the time I >think the queen will be happy in just one box. If one has brood in three >boxes, there will be TWO gaps, and I think that the queen will be forced to >work across that gap more often. The best queens will easily fill two deep brood boxes (if not three) with brood. If you are running a queen in one brood chamber keep a careful eye on that colony--it will most likely swarm during a honey flow. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html Article 8212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@mail.wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: RE: Beekeeping in Brisbane Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:00:49 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@mail.wn.com.au Message-ID: <3379992c.1321989@news.wn.com.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 24 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8212 Shane, I meant to mention in my previous posting that "Beekeeping" is an inexpensive (<$20.00) book on beekeeping in Australia; it is published by 'Creative Solutions' in Melbourne, and gleaned from most Australian states' Depts of Agriculture. A lot of the overseas books are very good in their own right, but contain a lot of information irrelevant to Australia. I suggest you get a copy, probably from your library, or buy one from an apiary supplies house and avoid any non-Australian publication until you have absorbed enough about the Australian beekeeping scene to be able to judge the relevance of some of the information contained in overseas sourced materials. Good luck! Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia Telephone (61) (08) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Distributors of BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.apfel.de!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Daniel Faensen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Alergic Reaction(s) to bee venom Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:53:03 +0200 Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3379A79F.5541@inf.fu-berlin.de> References: <335D0150.3B15@att.worldnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.149.70.117 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) To: beegood@att.worldnet.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8213 beegood@att.worldnet.net wrote: > > After 17+ years of beekeeping I have developed a hypersensitivity to bee > venom (one day I was fine, the next sting put me in the emergency room). > > The doctors have advised that I carry an Epi-pen (epinephine) to inject > myself if I am stung again. > > For now I am giving my three hives to friends who need more colonies but > keeping my other equipment. I am considering going to an alergist to > try and get myself desensitized to the venom which will at least allow > me to work in the garden without worrying about my reaction to being > stung (although there will be few bees around; sob-sob). Perhaps I will > be able to start up again in the future!? > > I am curious to hear if others have had similar experiences (three > others in our small, local beekeeping association in northern New Jersey > have experienced the same thing). > > Thanks. May your colonies be strong and the nectar flow. May be(e) you want to have a look at Annila,I.T. et al. (1996): Bee and wasp sting reactions in current beekeepers. Ann. Allergy Asthma Immunol. 77: 423-427 I didn't read it but it should at least have a reference list. Daniel Faensen -- ********************************************************* Daniel Faensen Graduiertenkolleg Signalketten in lebenden Systemen TU Berlin Tel.: +49-30-314 73344 Franklinstr. 28-29 Fax : +49-30-314 73177 D-10587 Berlin mailto: faensen@inf.fu-berlin.de Germany http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~faensen ********************************************************* Article 8214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: 14 May 1997 15:12:28 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 55 Message-ID: <01bc6079$39997980$388cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <5lc7la$4c0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 14 8:12:28 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8214 Adam Finkelstein wrote in article <5lc7la$4c0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > In article , > Tom Perigrin wrote: > > > >I decided to use deep brood boxes because I preferred "contiguous" brood. > >If one has brood spread across two boxes, that means there will be a space > >between the brood comb in the two boxes. However, most of the time I > >think the queen will be happy in just one box. If one has brood in three > >boxes, there will be TWO gaps, and I think that the queen will be forced to > >work across that gap more often. > > The best queens will easily fill two deep brood boxes (if not three) with > brood. If you are running a queen in one brood chamber keep a careful eye > on that colony--it will most likely swarm during a honey flow. > The interesting thing is that the Aebi's (took world record for honey production from a single queen hive) prefered using a single deep with a excluder over it. Claiming this lead to nearly wall to wall brood and far far less tendency to become honey bound. Brother Adam also used a single 12 frame Brood chamber (with larger frames than a standard US deep) with an excluder over it. Likewise feeling that contiguous brood was best. He used 8-9 frames of brood as his cut off - anything less than that and it was not enough to meet his criterion and would not be propagated. One of our HIP Cooperators runs about 1,500 8-frame colonies on 6-way pallets. He claims as well that putting a excluder over just a single 8-frame Deep leads to wall to wall brood and ZERO tendency to become honey bound. (8 deep frames may not fully utilize the laying capacity though if those 8 frames are Pierco frames it may nearly approach the laying capacity). I am of course talking about the maintainable level of laying not the Spring spurt. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to tell if truly queeless? Date: 14 May 1997 11:49:24 GMT Lines: 7 Message-ID: <19970514154900.LAA11220@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8215 Was wondering the surest way to know if in fact a hive is queenless? Also how long should one wait to check nucs for queen acceptance? I had overwintered hives out of which i made two nucs. Three frames of brood capped and uncapped and adherent bees and intro duced Buckfast queens. It's been 2 days and we've had unusually cool weather up here in Minnesota. I was thinking of having these nucs make only comb honey, I need advice please. Article 8216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news From: edwin aguilar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie/Bonehead questions Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:24:08 -0500 Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <337A0348.1DB1@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lewie2.tamu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 1997 18:24:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8216 Dear Folks, I recently ( one week ago) installed a new hive, my first. ten frames, bees, the standard startup kit. I hvae a few questions I wonder if some kinds soul(s) would help me with. 1) how long should I feed these guys? i dont mind doing it indefinitely.. sugar and water are cheap.. but I dont want to do something wrong. So far, these guys go through, more or less, one may jar worth osf syrup a day ( boardman feeder). 2) I have takne a look in the hive a couple of times to see how things are going. At first, the bees started working onthe middle framsa, as the literature suggets. they were, as you might expect, busy bees.. doigna really nice job. As some lit suggests, i moved those fgrames to the outside, and recuirculated the outer empty frames to the center ( these are "starter" frames.. with the wx sheet hanging on the wire). was this correct. I am really concerend about doing something wrong... 3) the bees have been doing something that I dont know if they ought to do.. probably no big deal. they are workingout comb and actually kind of attaching a couple of frames together.. so far, there seems to be just a bit of "connection" should I do anyhting about this? leave it alone? break off a bit of the connecting comb? Im very unsure. 4) the hive body itself is standrd sor t of thing. with a wooden cover with the hole ion it, and a plastic cover. the bees are putting a little bit of comb on the underside of the plastic cover... hardly any.. just a few dribs and drabs there.. leave alone or clear? 5) other than that.. i must asy that I am absolutely fascinated by these guys. they zip around all day, and seem to "sleep at nite" i guess i never thought about this, but I suppose they must. they seem to be working quite well.. making comb and going to town... Am i correct in thinking that I will need a new body to put on top of the current one when the bootom one is full/ or do i go to "supers" , with the sort of 1.2 size hive body? I do not intend to have more than the one hive.. so any responses should account for the fact that my own personal situation is keeping bees for pollinating garden and fun hobby. thanks for any help with this. replies to email or newsgroup are apreciated. cheers, edwin aguilar texas A&M univ Article 8217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!ulysses.midtown.net!news From: Sheri Kimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ants Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:11:49 +0000 Organization: Midtown Computer Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <337981D5.795CCDA8@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sl12.midtown.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8217 I've got a little ant problem. Well,,ok not me personally, but my bees do. They seem to bee only interested in the sugar water. any harm? Article 8218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: APRIL HONEY PRICES Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:34:08 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 79 Message-ID: <5ld7lk$r3u$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc86-205.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8218 April Honey Prices text attached... Reports from the US beekeeping trade papers would make one believe the bottom has fallen out of the honey market.. which is not how the numbers add up. Conditions in Florida did not bring a good orange crop and production was only fair in California. The California wild flower crop from Sage and Wild Buckwheat is not expected to be large because of the drought which started the day after the floods of last January with NO rains since. Bees here continue to do better then expected but not so good as everyone is running around looking for empty drums for sure. Local bee breeders have had a good spring rush on cells, queens, packages, and nucs. Bee movement to out of state summer pasture is starting with reports coming back of cold temps and few spring flowers, yet. ttul, the OLd Drone... begin 666 497honey.txt M#0H@(" @(%-O;64@05!224P@,3DY-R!(;VYE>2!P&5D($9L;W=E2!C;W!Y('1H:7,@9&]C M=6UE;G0-"FEN(&%N>2!F;W)M+"!O References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <5lc7la$4c0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <01bc6079$39997980$388cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fddisunsite.oit.unc.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8219 In article <01bc6079$39997980$388cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, Jack Griffes wrote: >The interesting thing is that the Aebi's (took world record for honey >production from a single queen hive) prefered using a single deep with a >excluder over it. Claiming this lead to nearly wall to wall brood and far >far less tendency to become honey bound. Yes I read those great books and tried to emulate their technique but year after year, I've found hives that have more room for the queen to lay out-produce cramped hives. >Brother Adam also used a single 12 frame Brood chamber (with larger frames >than a standard US deep) with an excluder over it. Likewise feeling that >contiguous brood was best. He used 8-9 frames of brood as his cut off - >anything less than that and it was not enough to meet his criterion and >would not be propagated. Again, if I used Brother Adam's deeps I might go for a single brood chamber, but in reality, more potential brood area was a point that brother Adam mentioned when he described "fecundity" as a breeding criterion. If maybe I managed my bees as well as the Aebis or Brother Adam I might be able to get away with a single brood chamber, but I cannot visit my bees often enough. I select my bees for high production with low management. Having a queen lay-up three mediums is much better for me when the hive produces another six mediums of honey for harvest, without much fuss. >One of our HIP Cooperators runs about 1,500 8-frame colonies on 6-way >pallets. He claims as well that putting a excluder over just a single >8-frame Deep leads to wall to wall brood and ZERO tendency to become honey >bound. (8 deep frames may not fully utilize the laying capacity though if >those 8 frames are Pierco frames it may nearly approach the laying >capacity). Another proponent of the single brood box was Gene Killian, but of course he was producing section comb honey and running his queens in *eight* frames. Now that takes some skill! >I am of course talking about the maintainable level of laying not the >Spring spurt. Well what does he do? Make splits, and then put on an excluder? Jack, how do you manage your brood? Adam -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://www.sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html Article 8220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.theriver.com!not-for-mail From: "Ron Haaksma" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees Date: 14 May 1997 22:14:28 GMT Organization: The River Internet Access Co. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bc60b9$629e77a0$5589d8cd@rhaaksm> NNTP-Posting-Host: sa20.tc0.theriver.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8220 Does anyone know if bumblebees have hives, make honey, and have a queen just like honeybees? Article 8221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ott.istar!news.istar.net!news.nstn.ca!news.dal.ca!nntp-user From: Jane Cayford Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Books on beekeeping Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 21:05:29 -0700 Organization: Acadia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <337A8B89.C68@Acadiau.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: iceberg.acadiau.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8221 List of books on beekeeping available. Used and rare. Reply by email to cayford@acadiau.ca or to The Odd Book P. O. Box 863 Wolfville, Nova Scotia B0P 1X0 Telephone 902-542-9491 Article 8222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:46:50 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <337A5CFA.5515@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <337981D5.795CCDA8@midtown.net> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.132.249 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8222 Sheri Kimbro wrote: > > I've got a little ant problem. Well,,ok not me personally, but my bees > do. They seem to bee only interested in the sugar water. any harm? Sheri, I also have ants getting into the sugar (red-headed ones in Seattle) When I take the lid off and look at the bottles on top I usually see about 5-10 ants. I watched one ant go straight for the entrance on one of my hives and it got a course change as soon as it got to the guard bees. I haven't seen any ants inside the brood chamber. So at least with mine, the bees are taking care of the problem. I think mostly they are cleaning up the spillage around the bottles where there are no bees. I have built two new bottom boards suspended on bolts that I plan to install next Saturday. The bolts are going into tuna cans that I'm going to fill with oil. I hate ants. Caution -- Good ant poison is toxic to bees. I hope this helps. Pete Article 8223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!world1.bellatlantic.net!news From: Mike De Sesa Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for hive plans Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:48:34 -0400 Organization: Bell Atlantic Internet Solutions Lines: 2 Message-ID: <337A5D61.523D@bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: client196-126-114.bellatlantic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8223 I want to get started keeping honeybees & would like to build my own hive. Anyone have plans, measurements, or tips? Article 8224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: APRIL HONEY PRICES Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:57:36 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <337A5F80.179F@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <5ld7lk$r3u$1@zinger.callamer.com> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.132.249 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8224 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > April Honey Prices text attached... > >snip > (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) > (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) > /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ > | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1996 crop honey. APR 97 | > | | > | California 1997 CROP** | > | Orangea 80 white | snip I hate to show my ignorance, but is this 80 cents/lb.? Pete Article 8225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for hive plans Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:46:00 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <337A6AD8.27E9@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <337A5D61.523D@bellatlantic.net> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.133.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8225 Mike De Sesa wrote: > > I want to get started keeping honeybees & would like to build my own > hive. Anyone have plans, measurements, or tips? Mike, Take a look at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html for some nice drawings. Pete Article 8226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for hive plans Date: 15 May 1997 01:53:44 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01bc60d2$d57a6c20$318cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <337A5D61.523D@bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 14 8:53:44 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8226 Barry's Bee Page has hive and fram plans in Adobe Acrobat format - there is a link on my bee links page. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Mike De Sesa wrote in article <337A5D61.523D@bellatlantic.net>... > I want to get started keeping honeybees & would like to build my own > hive. Anyone have plans, measurements, or tips? > Article 8227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: 15 May 1997 02:00:51 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bc60d3$d500d9e0$318cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc60b9$629e77a0$5589d8cd@rhaaksm> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 14 9:00:51 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8227 Ron Haaksma wrote in article <01bc60b9$629e77a0$5589d8cd@rhaaksm>... > Does anyone know if bumblebees have hives, make honey, and have a queen > just like honeybees? > > Bumblebees do make a nest, do make pollen?honey? balls for broodfood (but zero surplus) and do have a queen. The queens hibernate overwinter making it possible for bumblebees to exist clear up into the near-Artic regions. In the Spring (now here) you see the big bumblebee queens looking for a place to nest. They must build the nest, plus forage plus feed the brood at first since they are all alone. Once they hatch out some workers then the workers help with the foraging but Mama still forages too. A really huge bumblebee colony might have 200-300 workers but most have under 50. Towards summers end the colony raises a series of drones and virgins. The queens mate, get fattened up and hibernate through the winter. The cycle continues. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie/Bonehead questions Date: 15 May 1997 02:41:44 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 96 Message-ID: <01bc60d9$8b8bdca0$318cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <337A0348.1DB1@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 14 9:41:44 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8228 edwin aguilar wrote in article <337A0348.1DB1@polisci.tamu.edu>... > Dear Folks, > I recently ( one week ago) installed a new hive, my first. ten frames, > bees, the standard startup kit. I hvae a few questions I wonder if some > kinds soul(s) would help me with. > > 1) how long should I feed these guys? Look on feeding as if you are assessing pasture for your micro-livestock. If the pasture is insufficient then supplemental feeding is needed. If the pasture is good they will not be inclined to eat your syrup. You always want the bees to have a decent food reserve - how much depends on the time of year. At the same time - DON'T feed syrup when you have supers on. >i dont mind doing it > indefinitely.. sugar and water are cheap.. but I dont want to do > something wrong. So far, these guys go through, more or less, one may > jar worth osf syrup a day ( boardman feeder). May need a bigger jar. > 2) I have takne a look in the hive a couple of times to see how things > are going. At first, the bees started working onthe middle framsa, as > the literature suggets. they were, as you might expect, busy bees.. > doigna really nice job. As some lit suggests, i moved those fgrames to > the outside, and recuirculated the outer empty frames to the center ( > these are "starter" frames.. with the wx sheet hanging on the wire). > was this correct. I am really concerend about doing something wrong... > 3) the bees have been doing something that I dont know if they ought to > do.. probably no big deal. they are workingout comb and actually kind > of attaching a couple of frames together.. so far, there seems to be > just a bit of "connection" should I do anyhting about this? leave it > alone? break off a bit of the connecting comb? Im very unsure. > You seem to be describing brace comb. Bees will sometimes do this - cut it down and make them do it correctly. You want nice straight combs so you can interchange them to any hive or position. > 4) the hive body itself is standrd sor t of thing. with a wooden cover > with the hole ion it, and a plastic cover. the bees are putting a little > bit of comb on the underside of the plastic cover... hardly any.. just a > few dribs and drabs there.. leave alone or clear? You seem to be describing Burr comb. Smoke the bees down and scrape it off. Save it to melt down later. > 5) other than that.. i must asy that I am absolutely fascinated by these > guys. they zip around all day, and seem to "sleep at nite" the hive never sleeps - individual bees do seemingly rest but we do not know if they ever actually sleep - nighttime is used to continue ripening the days harvest of nectar - feeding the brood continues round the clock as does egg laying by the queen >i guess i > never thought about this, but I suppose they must. they seem to be > working quite well.. making comb and going to town... >Am i correct in > thinking that I will need a new body to put on top of the current one > when the bootom one is full/ or do i go to "supers" , with the sort of > 1.2 size hive body? I do not intend to have more than the one hive.. so > any responses should account for the fact that my own personal situation > is keeping bees for pollinating garden and fun hobby. Do you intend to make honey? What you do next depends entirely on what your aim is. > thanks for any help with this. replies to email or newsgroup are > apreciated. > cheers, > edwin aguilar > texas A&M univ > -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: APRIL HONEY PRICES Date: 15 May 1997 02:52:54 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 35 Message-ID: <01bc60db$1bc486e0$318cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <5ld7lk$r3u$1@zinger.callamer.com> <337A5F80.179F@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 14 9:52:54 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8229 Pete Wolcott wrote in article <337A5F80.179F@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>... > Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > > > April Honey Prices text attached... > > > >snip > > (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) > > (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) > > /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ > > | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1996 crop honey. APR 97 | > > | | > > | California 1997 CROP** | > > | Orangea 80 white | > snip > > I hate to show my ignorance, but is this 80 cents/lb.? > Pete > YEP - wholesale -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "username" Subject: Need Info Please! Message-ID: <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:36:06 -0400 Lines: 8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netaccess.naxs.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8230 debbis@naxs.com This will be the third time out, I am seeking some simple information and I need articles to back it up. !. Do bees hear and if so how? 2. Will beating on pots,pans or ringing of bells bring down (Settle) a swarm? I'd appreciate your responses. Thanks, Debbi Spencer Article 8231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 10 vs. 9 vs. 8 frame hives Date: 15 May 1997 03:42:45 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bc60e1$5ba0bc60$f2a392cf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.146.163.242 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8231 Can anyone explain to me advantages and disadvantages of using 10 vs 9 vs 8 frame hive bodies? I have been using 9 frame but the bees often times will draw the comb out in irregular shapes and with brace comb. Is this a function of my frame selection or maybe the particular race of bee? Any insight into my problem would be appreciated. Article 8232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to tell if truly queeless? Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 21:41:42 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 23 Message-ID: <337A9406.3DFA@starpoint.net> References: <19970514154900.LAA11220@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.242 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8232 Ahlmon1961 wrote: > > Was wondering the surest way to know if in fact a hive is queenless? Also > how long should one wait to check nucs for queen acceptance? I had > overwintered hives out of which i made two nucs. Three frames of brood > capped and uncapped and adherent bees and intro duced Buckfast queens. > It's been 2 days and we've had unusually cool weather up here in > Minnesota. I was thinking of having these nucs make only comb honey, I > need advice please. Hi, Iam glad to see someone else on this news group from minnesota. A word of caution on your new bees, as the weather is to cold in minnesota to be opening hives for any inspection, temps in the low 50's and 20 to 30 mile hr winds. Be patient for at least 70's and no wind. My very first hive I was too nosy and opened it in the low 60's, the next day the bees were carrying the eggs and larvae from every frame I inspected and throwing them over the edge of the bottom board. I was lucky I did'nt damage the queen from my fulishness. Give the bees another week before you inspect your hive. I sure others with more experience can give better advice, but they don"t know how cold it really is here. Good luck with your new hive and have lots of fun with them. Elroy Article 8233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!sun4nl!server1.adam.ixe.net!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Jan Tempelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: testing for varroa without apistan Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:41:50 +0200 Organization: Home Lines: 12 Message-ID: <337996E4.6348@xs4all.nl> References: <5l8jov$5jg@storm.cycor.ca> Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: spy01-11.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-XS4ALL-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:39:29 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8233 on varroa look at http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html incl. how to count them. -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html Article 8234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplntx!hplb!hpcpb!news From: Mike Pheysey Subject: Bee escape question Sender: news@bri.hp.com (News User) Message-ID: Cc: mikeph@bri.hp.com Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:13:13 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nntp-Posting-Host: harpo.bri.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/715) Organization: Hewlett Packard Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8234 How do you arrange for a bee escape at the top of a BS National hive? I have just taken charge of my first ever bees, three hives owned by a 90 year old couple in my village. I have been taken through the hives by my local association and been told what needs doing. The're nice quiet bees but the hives are rotting around them - they really deserve something a bit better. My question is about one National hive in particular... Floor (rotting), brood super (rotting), brood, Zinc QX, super, roof. I'm intending to remove the brood super, placing a second brood chamber with just foundation immediately under the QX and placing the old brood super on top to let the brood hatch out before burning. The colony is nice and strong and running out of space with new comb appearing in all sorts of places. My advice was that they would quickly draw out a whole brood chamber with nice new comb considering their current condition. I was told to put in an escape for the drones hatching from the brood super now on top of the hive. How do I go about this in a national? Do I put a WBC roof on with cone escapes??? -- Cheers, Mike Pheysey Bristol, 100 miles west of London mikeph@bri.hp.com Article 8235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!newsfeed.gte.net!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet From: Darlos Aria Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding swarm to existing queenless hive. Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 05:31:48 -0500 Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 22 Message-ID: <84AFCD5F3EF93E24.3D25B82EC0F6209A.9637A094227B13CF@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <337AE614.4FF91240@airmail.net> References: <5l9me3$6kf@newsserver.qms.com> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal08-06.ppp.iadfw.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8235 Todd Brian wrote: > A friend just gave me a swarm w/queen last night. I want > to add it to a failing queenless hive. What should I do > to ensure proper acceptance? > Todd I would suggest you take the queenless hive and open it and removing any inner covers you use until you have exposed the top box on your hive....place a single sheet of newspaper on your hive time and make a tiny slit down the middle. The take an empty frameless box large enough to hold the mass of the swarm (or if the swarm is already hived set the hive body on it you can break the hive down later) and place the swarm in the empty box, seal the hive back up. If all goes well (ie you really do have a queenless hive and not just a poor queen) the swarm and the hive will eat through the paper in a few days and by the time they have they will have each other's scent and will become one hive. In 2 or so days you can break the hive back down to the base hive and watch them grow. psigane5@airmail.net Article 8236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!malgudi.oar.net!echoes.wittenberg.edu!callisto.cns.muskingum.edu!oucsboss!shimizu.chem.ohiou.edu!user From: tip*@ai.chem.ohiou.edu (Tom Perigrin) Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: shimizu.chem.ohiou.edu Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Sat May 10 12:34:34 1997 Organization: Ohio University References: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> <33735B5B.161C@ultranet.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:34:36 GMT Lines: 43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8236 In article <33735B5B.161C@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: > > I keep illegal hives and do not recognize the authority > of the state to tell me what to do with my bees . In > other words, they should mid their own bees wax. Also, > I do not see the benefit of requiring inspectable > hives, other than makin some government bureaucrat's > job easier. Why don't they go arrest some wild bees > for nesting in a tree? *sigh* When the populace begins to think that they are above the law, and to brag about it in open fora, then that country is in trouble. Marc You may have a good arguement about the reasonming behind these laws. However, there are ways to deal with bad laws that preserve the rule of law in this country. Write to your congress critter, organize a grass roots movement, get out the vote, and CHANGE the law. I was just part of a succesful movement to get an Ohio Law changed, so that rather than break the law, we can now do what we want within the law (not pertaining to beekeeping). You say that you "do not recognize the authority of the state". Do you think burglars, theives, and murderers should use this arguement? You are tilling the ground for them... you are giving credence to the concept that if a person doesn't like the law, they should just refuse to recognize the state's authority. In short, you are promoting lawlessness. I don't like all the laws. But I do not advocate criminality. Tom ------ Due to the increasing prevelance of bulk mail senders that automatically extract names from newsgroup postings, I have had to "bugger" my e-mail address. To send email directly to me, please remove the "*" in my e-mail address. Article 8237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie/Bonehead questions Date: 15 May 1997 12:54:06 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 131 Message-ID: <01bc612f$0e099f00$388cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <337A0348.1DB1@polisci.tamu.edu> <01bc60d9$8b8bdca0$318cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu May 15 7:54:06 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8237 Howdy Edwin and sorry my spam defeater got you see below > > Dear Jack, > thanks for your help with my questions. Here are a couple of > followups if you dont mind answering... > > You seem to be describing brace comb. Bees will sometimes do this - cut it > down and make them do it correctly. You want nice straight combs so you > can interchange them to any hive or position. > > Do I cut down the brace comb with a knife/hive tool/scissors? i > guess it doesnt matter a long as it it cleraed off... correct? correct - use the tool in your hand - your hive tool > > 4) the hive body itself is standrd sor t of thing. with a wooden cover > > with the hole ion it, and a plastic cover. the bees are putting a little > > bit of comb on the underside of the plastic cover... hardly any.. just a > > few dribs and drabs there.. leave alone or clear? > > You seem to be describing Burr comb. Smoke the bees down and scrape it > off. Save it to melt down later. > > > 5) other than that.. i must asy that I am absolutely fascinated by these > > guys. they zip around all day, and seem to "sleep at nite" > > > the hive never sleeps - individual bees do seemingly rest but we do not > know if they ever actually sleep - nighttime is used to continue ripening > the days harvest of nectar - feeding the brood continues round the clock as > does egg laying by the queen > > >i guess i > > never thought about this, but I suppose they must. they seem to be > > working quite well.. making comb and going to town... > > > > >Am i correct in > > thinking that I will need a new body to put on top of the current one > > when the bootom one is full/ or do i go to "supers" , with the sort of > > 1.2 size hive body? I do not intend to have more than the one hive.. so > > any responses should account for the fact that my own personal situation > > is keeping bees for pollinating garden and fun hobby. > > Do you intend to make honey? What you do next depends entirely on what > your aim is. > > I would like to make some honey. not whole bunches by any means. > Im not a big honey eater, but my wife likes it, and we ahve friends > who would apprecite a bit of honey comb with honey as a gift... So, > do I go with on super "body" or do i get another plain old hive body > then a super body? Okay - you seem to be wanting to go with as near a "leave alone" technique as is possible today - the mites have eliminated the possiblity of true "leave alone" beekeeping - see Treatment Timing Tips on my web site - but if you really don't care too much about making honey and just want them for pollination and would be grateful for just a "smackerel of honey" (to quote Winnie the Pooh) then here is how I would do it. First of all I would be inclined to have at least two or three colonies (so at least one might survive if I mis-time my treatments) and use Mediums (6-5/8") because they weigh considerable less when they are full. If you have one Deep (9-5/8") already that is fine just let it be the box on the bottom of the stack and you will rarely ever lift it doing "near leave alone" beekeeping. From here on I would (for your stated purpose) use all mediums - adding another every time they get 85-90% of the comb in the top one drawn. This year I would stop adding mediums (or Deeps) when you get to a stack consisting of 4-5 mediums (or 3-4 Deeps). I would leave them with 4 mediums (3 Deeps) to winter in and take only any honey they may make above that. If you want to give honey to friends in the comb you can go with cut comb or try out Dr. John Hogg's HalfComb Cassettes (highly recomended by Dr. Roger Hoopingarner). Basically you aim for survival and don't fret about losing swarms - thriving survival is your goal - you treat at the proper time without fail - you don't fret on making honey per se (just hit the peak of the flow and let the bees have the rest). It still will require inspections at least three or four perfectly timed ones each year when you get in and check them over thoroughly plus do the needed treatments. My inspections would go something like this way way EARLY Spring - check for survival and honey stores - put Apistan strips in survivors - one strip in contact with the cluster for every 5 frames of bees and brood - put a Terramycin extender patty in contact with cluster - close up - mark down on calendar to inspect in 8 wks. 8 weeks later - check to insure they are have at least doubled in numbers of frames of bees - pull Apistan strips - scrape off any remnants of the Terramycin extender patty - mark on calendar the date 4 wks from then (absolute soonest you could put on supers and avoid Terramycin contamination) optional - 4 wks or more later - add supers to make honey - other inspections would be needed to check and see when filled and capped then take them off about 15 July - 1 Aug - (all honey supers for human consumption must be off when doing any treatment and some treatments require leaving them off for a withdrawal period as well as per Terramycin and Fumidil-B) - assess honey stores for winter - Put in new Apistan Strips - give a Terramycin patty if they are short on stores feed them to get the weight up starting mid-end of Sept and keep feeding freely until they are at appropriate weight (if you leave them lots of space all the time and don't take much honey this is not so likely to be needed) 8 wks later (if not already too cool) pull out Apistan strips and pray they make the winter Honeybees these days are pretty labor intensive - if you don't need honey at all you might just go with an alternative pollinator or two to do your pollination - like maybe hang out some Orchard Mason Bee nests and supply some Bumblebee nest boxes. Article 8238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.apfel.de!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:22:48 +0000 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> <33735B5B.161C@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 334 522 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8238 Marc Andelman wrote: >I keep illegal hives and do not recognize the authority >of the state to tell me what to do with my bees... Tom Perigrin wrote: >When the populace begins to think that they are above the law, and to brag >about it in open fora, then that country is in trouble. [snip] >I don't like all the laws. But I do not advocate criminality. I agree with Tom on this, in that we need to challenge the relevant authorities that these hives are non-inspectable; I sent in a long message to that effect a while ago. I am lucky enough to live in Wales, where there is no State restriction on bees domiciles. However, if an inspector came to call, I would happily cut out comb - or whatever was necessary - to satisfy myself that AFB or EFB, etc, were not present, and NOT A DANGER TO MY NEIGHBROURING BEEKEEPERS! Marc, you should think not of a bodiless State that is restricting your freedom, but your responsibility to your fellow enthusiasts and colleagues. -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i mQCPAzBVX74AAAEEANXA10mBmyoaLrU7aYz/8o93VaY4p+cJl+eAK0pIt/m9X1nK Drv/edboaWLxnx2L3L8Er/qRt1au+gk4FWE591zx6jv2TrJvWqBm/zQkaEnt9Pgk sgfjDleH8PoIuIJCC9I5jum1hObddewhcfvk8m8lUXn7bRlNfqmJI3HrZ0ddABEB AAG0Hk1pa2UgUmVkZHkgPG1yZWRkeUBnbGFtLmFjLnVrPg== =xTit -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Article 8239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.apfel.de!fu-berlin.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@glam.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding swarm to existing queenless hive. Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:25:20 +0000 Organization: Dept of Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <5l9me3$6kf@newsserver.qms.com> <84AFCD5F3EF93E24.3D25B82EC0F6209A.9637A094227B13CF@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Access: 16 334 522 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8239 >If all goes well (ie you >really do have a queenless hive and not just a poor queen) the swarm and >the hive will eat through the paper in a few days and by the time they >have they will have each other's scent and will become one hive. Surely, if there are two queens - one old and one new - then the bees will just get on with subsumption? The workers will follow the queen with the strongest queen substance and effectively starve the older queen until she dies. Is this wrong? -- Email: mreddy@glam.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/ Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. TEL: +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i mQCPAzBVX74AAAEEANXA10mBmyoaLrU7aYz/8o93VaY4p+cJl+eAK0pIt/m9X1nK Drv/edboaWLxnx2L3L8Er/qRt1au+gk4FWE591zx6jv2TrJvWqBm/zQkaEnt9Pgk sgfjDleH8PoIuIJCC9I5jum1hObddewhcfvk8m8lUXn7bRlNfqmJI3HrZ0ddABEB AAG0Hk1pa2UgUmVkZHkgPG1yZWRkeUBnbGFtLmFjLnVrPg== =xTit -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Article 8240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!EU.net!sun4nl!phcoms4.seri.philips.nl!news.best.ms.philips.com!news From: Sebastian Perez Andujar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: testing Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:26:47 +0200 Organization: PMSN Lines: 1 Message-ID: <337B1D27.1602@best.ms.philips.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mup1271.ms.philips.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8240 Dit is een test. Article 8241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!news From: Randy Nessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New package failing to thrive? Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:33:07 -0500 Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 49 Message-ID: <337B1EA3.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8241 Help Group, Thsi is my first year, and I installed three two pound packages on about April 24. In my part of Iowa, the weather has been cold, windy, rainy, or a combination thereof. I have one hive that appears to be in trouble. The bees don't seem to be as active as the other two, as I don't see them coming and going as much as the other. I'll try to provide as much info as possible, so this might get long. All three hives are 10 frame, single deep brood chambers. I was given used equipment, that set in the shed for about 6-7 years. I flamed and scraped out everything, and bought new frame and foundation. The queens were all alive on arrival, and when I checked 4 days after installing, they had all been released from the cages. I never pulled frames to try to find the queen, as it appeared that there was much activity (all three queen cages were stuck into the comb that was being drawn out). The hive in trouble is elevated on a small pallet, so maybe too much cold air is getting underneath it. The other two sit right on the ground (I'm going to change this tonight). There were lethargic bees sitting out on the pallet last evening, when they should have been hived. I thought I noticed something adhered to them, possbily pollen or bacteria or fungus, I'm not sure. All hives have been taking about the same amount of sugar feeding solution, so this makes me feel a little better. Last night when I refilled the feeders, I noticed dead bees in the feeder of the hive in question (maybe 10 dead bees and one live one). Whereas the other feeders on the other hives didn't have any dead. With it being windy and cold, I hate to open up the hives, especially in the eveining, when I feel that I will release any heat in the hive right before a cold night (record lows in the 30F's). Another difference, which might not be significant, was the way I installed the packages. Being my first time, I experimented a little. The hive that isn't doing so good was the first one I installed. I hung the queen cage, then proceeded to dump the bees over the frames. What a mess, bees everywhere, I had pulled a couple of frames out so that I could set the package right in the hive. More bees were crushed closing this hive than the other two. The other two, I just hung the queen cage, set the package inside, and closed up shop, thinking that the pheremones of the queen would draw the bees to her. Proably not recommended procedure, but it seemed to work better for me. Since I'm trying to establish these hives, and don't care about honey production (I wanted bees for pollination of our orchard), I was thinking of medicating (Cherries, plums, peaches are done blossoming, apples starting, and a GOOD crop of dandelions around). I can do an ether roll, throw in apistan if I find varroas? Treat for nosema? Foulbrood? Whip up some grease patties? I had the queens clipped and marked, so should my immediate concern be to find the queen? I would really like to look for brood, but is it worth opening the hive in the evening prior to mid-30F? -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. Article 8242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New package failing to thrive? Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:32:56 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 67 Message-ID: <337B3AB8.2B41@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <337B1EA3.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.132.90 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8242 Randy Nessler wrote: > > Help Group, > Thsi is my first year, and I installed three two pound packages on > about April 24. In my part of Iowa, the weather has been cold, windy, > rainy, or a combination thereof. I have one hive that appears to be in > trouble. The bees don't seem to be as active as the other two, as I > don't see them coming and going as much as the other. I'll try to > provide as much info as possible, so this might get long. > All three hives are 10 frame, single deep brood chambers. I was given > used equipment, that set in the shed for about 6-7 years. I flamed and > scraped out everything, and bought new frame and foundation. The queens > were all alive on arrival, and when I checked 4 days after installing, > they had all been released from the cages. I never pulled frames to try > to find the queen, as it appeared that there was much activity (all > three queen cages were stuck into the comb that was being drawn out). > The hive in trouble is elevated on a small pallet, so maybe too much > cold air is getting underneath it. The other two sit right on the > ground (I'm going to change this tonight). There were lethargic bees > sitting out on the pallet last evening, when they should have been > hived. I thought I noticed something adhered to them, possbily pollen > or bacteria or fungus, I'm not sure. All hives have been taking about > the same amount of sugar feeding solution, so this makes me feel a > little better. Last night when I refilled the feeders, I noticed dead > bees in the feeder of the hive in question (maybe 10 dead bees and one > live one). Whereas the other feeders on the other hives didn't have any > dead. With it being windy and cold, I hate to open up the hives, > especially in the eveining, when I feel that I will release any heat in > the hive right before a cold night (record lows in the 30F's). > Another difference, which might not be significant, was the way I > installed the packages. Being my first time, I experimented a little. > The hive that isn't doing so good was the first one I installed. I hung > the queen cage, then proceeded to dump the bees over the frames. What a > mess, bees everywhere, I had pulled a couple of frames out so that I > could set the package right in the hive. More bees were crushed closing > this hive than the other two. The other two, I just hung the queen > cage, set the package inside, and closed up shop, thinking that the > pheremones of the queen would draw the bees to her. Proably not > recommended procedure, but it seemed to work better for me. > Since I'm trying to establish these hives, and don't care about honey > production (I wanted bees for pollination of our orchard), I was > thinking of medicating (Cherries, plums, peaches are done blossoming, > apples starting, and a GOOD crop of dandelions around). I can do an > ether roll, throw in apistan if I find varroas? Treat for nosema? > Foulbrood? Whip up some grease patties? > I had the queens clipped and marked, so should my immediate concern be > to find the queen? I would really like to look for brood, but is it > worth opening the hive in the evening prior to mid-30F? > -- > Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu > Views expressed are my own. Randy, As a new bee keeper also, I know the temptation to look in that box is very great, but I would do it here’s why. You are just at 21 days from installation so you will have the least number of bees in the brood chamber. The package bees have been dying off and the new bees are just do to emerge. You should have small number of bees emerging this weekend and then things should get going. If you open the chamber now with the cold you will chance loosing more bees that may cause them not to have enough bees to stay warm. I would wait until it is 60 degrees to look in. I might be a good idea to give them a treatment of Fumidil B in there sugar water if you can get to it without letting any heat out. Others here will give you some more learned advice. Good Luck, Pete Article 8243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.netside.com!usenet From: jwarsaw@fakeaddress.com (John K. Warsaw) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 10 vs. 9 vs. 8 frame hives Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:48:53 GMT Organization: The Netside Network Lines: 6 Message-ID: <337b3d7e.6451336@news.netside.com> References: <01bc60e1$5ba0bc60$f2a392cf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: mx41-54.netside.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8243 I use nine frame, but I start with ten frames of foundation and remove one after they have been drawn. That is, I never give them only nine frames of undrawn foundation, which I find encourages misshapen comb. -- PLEASE NOTE: My e-mail address has been disguised to defeat automated spam programs. For my correct address, change "fakeaddress" to "netside", but leave off the quotation marks. Sorry for the inconvenience. Article 8244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Info Please! Date: Thu, 15 May 97 10:43:03 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 97 Message-ID: <17B6F96B9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8244 In article <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> "username" writes: > >debbis@naxs.com > >This will be the third time out, I am seeking some simple information and I >need articles to back it up. >!. Do bees hear and if so how? >2. Will beating on pots,pans or ringing of bells bring down (Settle) a >swarm? >I'd appreciate your responses. > >Thanks, >Debbi Spencer Extracted from BEE-L:  >--- The TANG of Swarm Season ---< Curtis Spacek (cspacek@FLASH.NET) queries, "What effect does banging pots and pans together have on swarming bees to cause them to light on a nearby tree? I have seen this only once and was told the bees think it is thunder so they light to gain protection from the rain. Sid Pullinger (SidPul@COMPUSERVE.COM) responded: "It is strange how these stories persist. What he saw was pure co- incidence. 99% of swarms settle near from where they came prior to going off to their chosen home. I think that human noise, shouting and banging of pans, has no effect on bees at all. However, it appears that many in the past thought so and the idea has persisted down the centuries. Village beekeeping was popular in the old days in England and, as he states later, banging on a pan could be a signal to other beekeepers, "This is my swarm." Hives were small and swarming and casting took place every year. I decided to see what references I could find to "tanging", as it is called, in a few old books. Quoting from a book by T B Miner, an American beekeeper, published in 1846, we find "The custom of jingling of bells and rattling of tin pans originated from the cottagers of Europe, residing in communities making a practice of ringing bells or thumping on tin pans when a swarm issued so as to know who the owner was: since swarms issuing from the premises of one cottager would frequently cluster on the grounds of another." And from a book by A Neighbour, well known English beekeeper and appliance maker, writing in 1866, "In many country districts it is a time-honoured custom for the good folks of the village to commence on such occasions a terrible noise of tanging and ringing with frying pan and key. This is done with the absurd notion that the bees are charmed with the clangorous din and by it may be induced to settle as near as possible to the source of such sweet sounds. This is, however, quite a mistake. The practice of ringing was originally adopted for a different and far more sensible ob- ject ---- viz., for the purpose of giving notice that a swarm had issued forth, and that the owner was anxious to claim the right of following, even though it should alight on a neighbour's premises. It would be curious to trace how this ancient ceremony has thus got corrupted from the ori- ginal design." And an explanation from Root's _A_B_C_of_Bee_Culture_, 1905: "In the old fashioned boxhive days, the ringing of bells and the tanging of tin pans was considered very essential in causing a swarm to alight. These old-timers probably did not know that the bees would cluster before going off, noise or no noise. Because they settled on some tree after each tanging, such tanging was supposed to be essential. At one time this old custom was supposed to be a relic of an old superstition: but it is now known that one of the old kings of England once issued an edict that , whenever a swarm came forth, the owner of it was to ring bells or drum on tin pans to give notice that his bees were out, thus preventing any- one else from claiming them. What was done in an obedience to an old law, for an entirely different purpose, has crept down through the generations until the old significance is lost." So much for recent history. Going further back in time I found in Dr. Crane's book _The_Archaeology_of_Beekeeping_ an illustration of an etching on a silver goblet now in London and made in 1683. It clearly depicts a beekeeper tanging as the swarm issues from the hive, suggesting that the noise is for the bees and not neighbours. Finally, in H M F raser's book _Beekeeping_in_Antiquity_ I found more references from the first centuries BC and AD which indicated that the be- lief existed that tanging brought the bees down. No doubt there are many more references, some even earlier, if one has the time and books to search. Clearly the origin of tanging lies in the dim and distant past. Article 8245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <337B6CD6.63E0@glasscity.net> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:06:46 -0400 From: Mark Plessner Reply-To: plessner@glasscity.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Ron Haaksma Subject: Re: Bumblebees References: <01bc60b9$629e77a0$5589d8cd@rhaaksm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.2.9 Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.glasscity.net!208.13.2.9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8245 Ron Haaksma wrote: > > Does anyone know if bumblebees have hives, make honey, and have a queen > just like honeybees? Yor question is very interesting. However,you have made some rather broad associations. While both insects are considered social insects by some, the gross generalizations of their individual life histories should stop there. A very good book on bumble bees "Bumblebee Economics" by Bernd Heinrich can answer many of your questions. The role of queen in both species is quite diffrent, likewise their honey production is also diffrent, and not surprisingly so are their nests or hive. Article 8246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!mr.net!news.radio.cz!europa.clark.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!azure.xara.net!xara.net!emerald.xara.net!xara.net!zynet.net!bashabee From: Stewart Beattie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lakeland Rose Show Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:06:47 +0000 (GMT) Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: vpop001-p28.zynet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8246 For you exhibitors out there, or show strollers The Lakeland Rose Show is to be held on 12th.& 13th. July. at Grange over Sands, Cumbria. UK Show has Roses,Sweet Peas, Fuchsias, Geraniums, Floral Art and Honey. For Schedule contact Mr. F. Barnes. Rosegarth, 107 Birchwood Drive Ulverston. LA12 9NY For advanced booking Mrs. H. Bushby. 16 Mearness Drive, Ulverston Cumbria Or have a look at my Home page. Which has the Show Schedule http://homepage.zynet.co.uk/bashabee/Rose97.html Stewart Cumbria, UK. (an old Gable-Endie) Article 8247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Movie Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 04:30:20 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 2 Message-ID: <5lgnnn$4mb$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: market.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8247 I read that one of the top films at Cannes this year has Peter Fonda playing the part of a beekeeper in the leading role. Article 8248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!news.uunet.ca!news.on.rogers.wave.ca!n4tor.istar!news.istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news1.istar.ca!news From: bill_fernihough Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New package failing to thrive? Date: 16 May 1997 04:53:49 GMT Organization: iSTAR Internet Incorporated Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5lgp8t$5le@news.istar.ca> References: <337B1EA3.41C6@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu> <337B3AB8.2B41@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: billfern@istar.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: ts25-02.vcr.istar.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8248 Pete I am a little concerned about the report of something clinging to the bees, and this could well be Varroa mites. If so, you need an Apistan treatment right now. It probably wouldn't hurt to give one anyway. I had a hive acting very much like you described, and within hours of putting in Apistan, it came right back to life. It was about equal to the two new packages I installed the same day, some brood, but poor pattern. If you open up this hive and don't find eggs, or brood, then immediately go to one of the better hive, take out a frame with some eggs in it, and put it in the hive in question. Be sure to shake all the bees from it first. The remaining bees will make a new queen, and that will take about 25 days before she will be laying if all goes well. You can write off honey production unless the hive really takes off, but at leat you will save it for next year. Or with some luck if your honey flow carries on into late summer, yu might be ok. Let me know how it works out. Article 8249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Medium vs. Deep Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:14:32 +0100 Organization: adrem Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3370E0F2.5A43@clorox.com> <01bc5b56$86ba4280$348cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <5lc7la$4c0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <01bc6079$39997980$388cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk [158.152.205.101] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8249 In article <01bc6079$39997980$388cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, Jack Griffes writes >Brother Adam also used a single 12 frame Brood chamber (with larger frames >than a standard US deep) with an excluder over it. Likewise feeling that >contiguous brood was best. He used 8-9 frames of brood as his cut off - >anything less than that and it was not enough to meet his criterion and >would not be propagated. I believe that Brother Adam used 12 frame dadant depth hives but placed a dummy board in the place of the twelfth frame. This was to make it easier to get that first frame out. -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Toddington, Bedfordshire, England. Article 8250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!bang-olufsen.dk!nobody From: interbbs@hotmail.com (+Inter-BBS+) Subject: FreeNetAccessWorldwide Message-ID: <337b39ea.4990760@bang-olufsen.dk> Sender: nobody@firewall.bang-olufsen.dk Reply-To: interbbs@hotmail.com Organization: Internet of the future Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:04:23 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8250 Free internet connection worldwide via our BBS. Please visit as much as possible our sponsor pages, it’s how we are paid... Follow the link and enjoy... http://www.cybercity.hko.net/LA/interbbs/index.htm aababcabcd1121231234 Article 8251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!europa.clark.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!lab402-24.adp.ru.ac.za!fnyikadz From: fnyikadz@sunbird.ru.ac.za (MISS FLII NYIKADZINO) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are the Bees in Your Clover? Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:13:20 GMT Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <19970503033400.XAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5ku7o9$iog$1@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lab402-24.adp.ru.ac.za Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8251 >> In article > >Don't get me wrong: I like bees. I am taking a bee-keeping course right >> >now. I find their biology to be fascinating, but squash, tomatoes, beans >> >and corn are native american vegetables, and were pollinated by native >> >american bees long before the "white man's flies" ever came along. I object to calling the european honey bee a white man's flie. The bee is something introduced by settlers at a time when no alternatives were known. The native pollinators are less efficient for a mass economy as they cannot be transported. In South Africa we have indigenous Apis, and indigenous normal bees, and they non-apis bees are good pollinators but are not moveable to areas of mass agricultural practises with ease. IE the same bees that service citrus can later do other crops. Not so with Trigona or whatever else. >> >Frankly, I suspect that in my area at least, the damage to feral honeybees >> >has been mites. I say this because I live in a heavily farmed region, and >> >yet all the native bees are around. They aren't succumbing to pesticides. The idea that a native bee will be more resistant to pesticides is a laugh. Maybe, but unlikely. >> What reference is there for the quote, above? >> How do you know what the original, native American bees looked like? One does not. But neither does one know what the original american indians looked like, or the introduced stock of bees, as it is a sad fact of life that there is a small amount of gene flow at any time, and nobody has polaroid camera's then. I believe the smithsonian has records of bee flora from last centuary. Keep well Garth PS reply to g95c6713@warthog.ru.ac.za, as this is my girlfriends account and she probably does not want to hear the replies resulting in their deletion before I see them. Article 8252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!stdio!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!cph-1.news.DK.net!dkuug!dknet!bang-olufsen.dk!nobody From: benh@hotmail.com (Future-NET) Subject: Spy people on the Net Message-ID: <337b9e0d.5562584@bang-olufsen.dk> Sender: nobody@firewall.bang-olufsen.dk Reply-To: benh@hotmail.com Organization: Future-NET Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:43:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Lines: 43 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8252 I present here my two most recent software which I hope they interest you. they are progammed by Turbo C++ and run under Windows(3.11 and 95). here is a short description of these two software. 1-Robot Spy 1.0 at my knowledge, this software is the first and the unique of its kind. 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Article 8253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!152.163.170.17!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 10 vs. 9 vs. 8 frame hives Date: 16 May 1997 08:46:44 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970516124601.IAA15211@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bc60e1$5ba0bc60$f2a392cf@default> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8253 In a standard hive body use 10 frames till they are drawn in brood chambers go to 9 frames of drawn comb and you get more room to wiggle.(less chance of queen squishing) In supers going to 9 frames once fully drawn gives you nice combs easy to uncap and extra wax to trade when you do. I have no experiance with boxes other than 10 frame langstroths but I would bet 8 frame boxes are easier on the back. Tom Article 8254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!206.66.12.35!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet From: Darlos Aria Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding swarm to existing queenless hive. Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:38:49 -0500 Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8DD14B845953F2DA.4D46D1EF25E9EF6C.25E3654DD472A7FE@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <337C6369.771A1183@airmail.net> References: <5l9me3$6kf@newsserver.qms.com> <84AFCD5F3EF93E24.3D25B82EC0F6209A.9637A094227B13CF@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gw1-ppp69.its.iadfw.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) To: Mike Reddy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8254 Mike Reddy wrote: > >If all goes well (ie you > >really do have a queenless hive and not just a poor queen) the swarm > and > >the hive will eat through the paper in a few days and by the time > they > >have they will have each other's scent and will become one hive. > > Surely, if there are two queens - one old and one new - then the bees > will > just get on with subsumption? The workers will follow the queen with > the > strongest queen substance and effectively starve the older queen until > she > dies. Is this wrong? > Yes the original hive will maintian their queen's pheormones and will not accept the new queen's pheomrmones and the 2 hives will gather around their queens who will seek each other out and fight, and then you run into the problem that the old queen may get lucky and kills or maims the new queen in the swam and then you would have a hive twice the size or so of the older one and still as queenless. psigane5@airmail.net Article 8255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!192.108.254.3!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wiring Comb Foundation Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:26:26 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 31 Message-ID: <337CB4E2.12D8@teleport.com> References: Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-02.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: "Karen L. Black" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8255 Hi Karen, The electric embedder I use has a 12volt 2amp transformer. It only takes about 1/2 a second to sink the wire. Where is Blodgett, OR? I'm in Eugene. Karen L. Black wrote: > > I am in the process of assembling wooden frames with unreinforced > foundation for the first time. The frames are "Western" size > (6.25" high). I'm not planning on extracting this year. > > 1. Is horizontal wiring necessary? I've read that wiring is needed > if you're building brood frames (due to vertical stretch) or extracting > (due to forces perpendicular to the comb). > > 2. If I do need to wire, what current should I be using to embed the > wire, and for how long? > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Karen Black > 2nd year "newbee" > > -- > -- > Karen L. Black > High-Tech Technical Writing, Inc. > Blodgett Oregon. karen@plamondon.com Article 8256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!192.108.254.3!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Cauthorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catalog on bee supplies Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:29:30 -0700 Organization: Cascadia Hop Company Lines: 8 Message-ID: <337CB59A.54CA@teleport.com> References: <5km08r$obd$1@news10.gte.net> Reply-To: pbc@teleport.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-eug1-02.teleport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) To: mpayne@gte.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8256 Mark Payne wrote: > > Any one know where I can get a good catalog on buying bee supplies. > Thanks for any help you can give me. Mark. PLEASE e-mail to > mpayne@gte.net I like Western Bee Supply in Montana (800)548-8440 -- good people and good prices. Article 8257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news00.sunet.se!sunic!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!news From: orjan.rudstedt@biodlarna.se (Örjan Rudstedt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee pavilion Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 06:37:55 GMT Organization: A customer of Tele2 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <863818776.235443@mn8> NNTP-Posting-Host: mn8.swip.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Cache-Post-Path: mn8!unknown@dialup111-2-12.swipnet.se Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8257 Hi! I would be glad if somebody could give me some hints about how to build a bee pavilion.Any advice is welcome. Regards örjan Rudstedt orjan.rudstedt@biodlarna.se http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41909 Article 8258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ccgammon@rapidnet.net (Craig Gammon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding swarm to existing queenless hive. Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 02:02:34 GMT Organization: Rapidnet Technologies Internet Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5ldqvj$l5i$1@news.rapidnet.net> References: <5l9me3$6kf@newsserver.qms.com> Reply-To: ccgammon@rapidnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ap010.rapidnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.bctel.net!news.rapidnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8258 todd@rd.qms.com (Todd Brian) wrote: A friend just gave me a swarm w/queen last night. I want to add it to a failing queenless hive. What should I do to ensure proper acceptance? Todd Making sure that your failing hive is indeed queenless, I'd check closely for laying workers, too. Everything being equal, once the swarm nicely settles into their new home (I'd say a week to ten days after you capture, though I could certainly stand corrected), you can introduce the swarm to the queenless colony via the paper method. One note - relocate both the queenless hive and the swarm colony to a location at least 3 miles from their current positions. As you may know, any move less than three miles may result in your existing field bees finding their way back to the original hive site. Craig Gammon ********************************************************* 35110 Morgan Way Abbotsford, British Columbia V2S 5T7 P O Box 1504 Sumas, WA 98295 ********************************************************* Article 8259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tdale.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Tim Dale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beenet uk dialup bbs Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 00:51:41 GMT Message-ID: <01bc625b$dc176d00$643fdec2@tdale.demon.co.uk> References: <862956561@amigabee.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tdale.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tdale.demon.co.uk [194.222.63.100] X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 39 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8259 OK - having spent good time filling in your 'log in' form, I haven't see anything I can't get for free from existing internet resources. Perhaps I've missed something here, but unless you can convince us that you have something worth paying (what has europe got to do with you charging anyway?) 10 pounds for, I think I'll stick to those that do this for the love of it. By the way, please remove my details from your database. Belinda Dale http://www.tdale.demon.co.uk/BeeKeeping/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Steven Turner wrote in article <862956561@amigabee.org.uk>... > Hello UK beekeepers, > > The Beekeeping bbs in London is a dialup bbs which is a focus for all things > beekeeping and ideal for UK contacts. > > Its a fully interactive system using free Windows software to download. > 3 nodes to dial up using terminal software 8.N.1 ansi > > 0181-695-5328 modem 14400 baud > 0181-473-8171 modem Hayes 33k6 baud > 0181-244-6123 modem Hayes 33k6 baud > > We offer a free service to beekeepers with a option to subscribe at £10.00 per > year which includes the windows software package on 3 disk. > > Regards Steve > > Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee > > ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! > Article 8260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!198.6.114.27!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-1328.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee escape question Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:54:16 -0400 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 69 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-1328.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8260 Hello Mike, No, you don't need to use a bee-escape or cone. You just need to ensure there is access to the outside at some place above the excluder. Here's what you can do: Set the occupied B.S. brood chamber on the floor. Next place your new (2nd) brood chamber on. Since they are strong, you might want to move a comb of brood up into the center of the new brood box (to help get them working up there). Replace it below with the frame of foundation you remove to make space. [Make sure the queen is there and not in the old brood-super that you are trying to get rid of.] Next can go the excluder and on top, the honey super. You can then set the crown board on, followed by the old brood super. Leave the hole in the crown-board open, to allow bees access to the brood super from the main hive below. ALSO make sure there is a passage to the outside somewhere above the level of the excluder. This is to keep the drones from being imprisoned and dying up there. You can drill a hole in the old super or just offset the boxes 3/8" or so at one corner, making a small upper entrance. The roof goes on top, and the hive is all set. The brood in the old super will be kept tended & warm, and will emerge within 3 weeks; any drone brood in there will take a few additional days. Then you can remove the brood-super, shake the bees off the combs in front of the hive, and discard it. (If there is any nectar in there, the bees will probably clear it out in a day or two, if you leave it nearby and uncovered.) About the only potential problem is that the bees up there above the crown board may try to rear a queen in the meantime. Just go into the old brood super in a week, and remove each comb, destroying any queen cells you see. You will only have to do this once. Then just wait a couple more weeks for the brood to emerge. Best wishes, Joel Govostes Freeville, NY In article , Mike Pheysey wrote: > How do you arrange for a bee escape at the top of a BS National hive? > > I have just taken charge of my first ever bees, three hives owned > by a 90 year old couple in my village. I have been taken through the > hives by my local association and been told what needs doing. The're > nice quiet bees but the hives are rotting around them - they really > deserve something a bit better. > > My question is about one National hive in particular... > Floor (rotting), brood super (rotting), brood, Zinc QX, super, roof. > I'm intending to remove the brood super, placing a second brood > chamber with just foundation immediately under the QX and placing the > old brood super on top to let the brood hatch out before burning. The > colony is nice and strong and running out of space with new comb > appearing in all sorts of places. My advice was that they would > quickly draw out a whole brood chamber with nice new comb considering > their current condition. > > I was told to put in an escape for the drones hatching from the > brood super now on top of the hive. How do I go about this in > a national? Do I put a WBC roof on with cone escapes??? > -- > Cheers, Mike Pheysey > Bristol, 100 miles west of London > mikeph@bri.hp.com Article 8261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!152.163.170.17!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: penusrinkl@aol.com (Penusrinkl) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding supers Date: 17 May 1997 00:18:23 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <19970517041800.AAA27673@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8261 This will be my first spring as a beekeeper. I ordered a beginners kit from a cataloge and assembled and painted the outside with intentions of ordering package bees and queen. Before I ordered my bees I ended up purchasing three hives with supers, bees and a small amount of honey in each. When I checked the hives This past weekend, two supers were about 3/4 full of capped and uncapped honey. The third was about half filled. Should I add more supers on top of these or remove these supers first? How full does a super need to be before removing? One more question....What the hell is a top bar hive everyones talking about? Just an ignorant beginner HNNutt@aol.com PS...I caught my first swarm and put them in the hive I assembled.....Scary!!! Article 8262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.seanet.com!news From: "NASCARFAN@Seanet.com" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: where do I start? Date: 17 May 1997 07:41:10 GMT Organization: Seanet Online Services, Seattle WA Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bc6295$adc8d300$18810ccf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: j24.dialup.seanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8262 I am interested in starting a "hobby hive" since I haven't seen one bee in the garden this year. Where do I start, probably should read a book or two. Any suggestions? Thanks, Mark nascarfan@seanet.com -- Article 8263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: where do I start? Date: 17 May 1997 12:49:15 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 40 Message-ID: <01bc62c0$b6b21be0$508cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc6295$adc8d300$18810ccf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat May 17 5:49:15 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8263 NASCARFAN@Seanet.com wrote in article <01bc6295$adc8d300$18810ccf@default>... > I am interested in starting a "hobby hive" since I haven't seen one bee in > the garden this year. Where do I start, probably should read a book or two. > Any suggestions? Thanks, Mark nascarfan@seanet.com > -- Howdy Mark, I would reccomend the book, "Guide to Bees and Honey" by Ted Hooper and Roger Morse. Also you can find a lot of good info on the Internet - take a look-see at the links on my link page (links to other sites there too that have even more links) OR run a search - lots of good beekeeping info out there. One place to look is the archives for this newsgroup - look on Adam Finkelstein's site - it is called something like the Internet Apiculture Archive (is that close at least Adam?) and I believe there is a link to it on my links page. It is getting a bit late though to get started this year - not impossible but you will be playing catch up. Wisdom might suggest doing your homework and making a earlier start next Spring. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!nntp.dist.maricopa.edu!usenet From: BCTC@usa.net (AZEE!) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Free Phone Calls!!! - at.txt [1/1] Date: 16 May 1997 01:22:21 GMT Organization: BCTC Lines: 52 Message-ID: <5lgcsd$pf1@nntp.dist.maricopa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: s4188.gc.maricopa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8264 The Bush Country Telephone Company. ____________________________ Free Telephone calls with the AT. _________________________________ With the AT you never have to pay for phone calls again. AT= Aboriginal Telephone Make free phone calls with the BCTC using the AT Gaurenteed Everytime. __________________________________________________________ The AT... What is it? The AT is a simple line attached, self modulating, self generating tone controller. No batteries needed. When incorperated into daily use, results are instant. 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Personal checks will not be accepted. 2 to 3 week for delivery Article 8265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!152.163.170.17!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supering Date: 17 May 1997 09:26:47 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <19970517132600.JAA21968@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8265 Still trying to find out what the downside of adding honey supers drawn or undrawn to a colony early in the season. Mostly to get them out from underfoot and to have bees patrolling them for moths and such. Is there a downside to supering in advance of the honeyflow by say a month or so? Aslo am bottom supering this year and it seems to be working pretty well. Tom Article 8266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!zambak.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr!leylak!yyilmaz From: "Yasin Yilmaz ( yalovali )" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ??? Re: Failing Hive Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:26:26 +0300 Organization: Bilkent University Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <336D0C76.5DCA@widtech.com> <01bc59c7$44564640$526ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: leylak.ug.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: yyilmaz@leylak In-Reply-To: <01bc59c7$44564640$526ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8266 > IF the colony is not in a populated area just move the hive off a few feet > and shake the bees out on the ground where the hive used to be and they > will starve off in a few days as long as you are correct that there is no > queen. I could not understand what will happen if they had a queen ? and will we put the hive again to its place, so that healthy bees may return ? yyilmaz@ug.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr iyi gunler diler Article 8267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving hives around Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 22:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705170722141795@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> Lines: 70 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8267 M>From: Morley >Subject: Moving hives around M>I live on an island of 45 sq. miles which supports about 600 hives and >use of Apistan is mandatory. Every hive is registered and we are given >specific dates on which to insert and extract the Apistan strips. Easily >done in such a small place. Hi Morley, Sounds like you are all being treated like children by your bee government... M>As hives are moved around so much in US and used to pollinate vast >orchards etc., doesn't the risk of spreading varroa increase >accordingly? I know it's not popular with everyone but given the really >large numbers of bees being wiped out by disease, would any/many of you >consider mandatory use of Apistan inevitable? Indeed, would such a >requirement be enforceable over such a large area? First I would like to say that the mites, big and little have had no problem moving without the aid of man into areas of the SA and the US that beekeepers are few and far between. The varroa mite itself is carried from hive to hive by the drone bees who have no father and are at home in the first hive that welcomes them as they are very poor navigators and will fly for miles only to return to any hive they happen to find. As for mandatory regulated treatment of any crop or animal experience has shown this only adds to the costs of production, delays in problem solving, and despoilment of the environment, and our food. An island with only 600 hives is ideal for breeding bees that can live with their pests and laws should protect such valuable bee environments from any use of chemicals. I guess if any beekeeper on that island wanted to develop his own mite resistant bees because of the law's now he could not... M>Do any large crop producers have their own apiaries or do they all rely >on migrant colonies? Beekeeping is not the sort of farm enterprise that responds to that good old farm management and capital as practice by most farmers so at least in California which over the years has had several large successful, well healed growers go into the bee business only to suffer financial and bee losses. All in time have learned to been very happy leaving the beekeeping to the beekeepers who themselves are not paid for their investment of time and money, according to all studies the last 40 years, and continue to bee happy in their work. From time to time one reads or knows of what we call "sugar daddies" who come into the bee business with much capital to "help" some beekeeper do it right. I have never heard of one of these ever getting 100% of their capital back and at this time know of none working. One of the most successful beekeeper farmers ever in California once told me that with all his other crops, citrus, almonds, walnuts, transportation and drying business's that he "could today run them all from a cabin in the mountains, but when the bee season started he had to be home or it would all go to ruin".. I believe this is even more true today with all the new problems. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Imker, Bienenzuechter and Bienenvater Article 8268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 22:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705170722141796@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8268 **FYI** Something to think about, "What happened to all those mites?" From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:34:45 -0500 Subject: Re: bee inspection Organization: University of Michigan Medical School bartlett wrote: > > Had the Maryland state bee inspector here today. (southern maryland) > We inspected bees at several locations. We did ether rolls on some and > drone brood check on others and both on some. Apistan strips had been > used on all of my hives early this spring. NO VARROA MITES!!!! In Michigan, unfortunately, there is no longer any funding to support state bee inspections, so it's everyone for oneself now. However, in going through all my yards in seven different locations, I have yet to see a varroa mite this spring!! I basically pull out drone brood (the easiest ones to get to are those exposed between brood chambers), and in looking over hundreds of them I didn't see a mite. Every spring for some years now there have always been mites, usually at least one per cell and often many more. I haven't seen much on the list about currnet mite populations until this post. What are others seeing this year? Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan USA --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/beecam/beecam.html Article 8269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!152.163.170.17!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ih101@aol.com (IH101) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Interesting beekeeping article Date: 17 May 1997 11:07:42 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <19970517150700.LAA28855@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8269 There is an article (including photographs) in the May 22, 1997 issue of Awake! magazine about beekeeping. If you would like to read it, please contact Jehovah's Witnesses in your area either at the local Kingdom Hall or by telephone to receive a copy. You might also be interested in the official Watchtower web site at www.watchtower.org. Clay Shannon, IH101@aol.com Article 8270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.apfel.de!univ-lyon1.fr!pasteur.fr!oleane!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beenet uk dialup bbs Message-ID: <863854857@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 07:40:57 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Beenet the computer network for beekeepers Lines: 53 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8270 On May 17, 1997 01:51am, TIMDALE@TDALE.DEMON.CO.UK wrote to ALL: T> OK - having spent good time filling in your 'log in' form, I haven't see T> anything I can't get for free from existing internet resources. Perhaps T> I've missed something here, but unless you can convince us that you have T> something worth paying (what has europe got to do with you charging T> anyway?) 10 pounds for, I think I'll stick to those that do this for the T> love of it. Beenet is not available on the Internet only VIEW it's better to use a Fidonet mailer which allows off-line working and is much cheaper to use with a direct dialup system and very fast! A internet provider would charge £100 a year (NOT FREE) Poll the Beekeeping bbs for FREE! read all the beekeeping conferences and more for FREE with a option to subscribe at £10.00 a year to help with the running costs which is 1/10th of the cost of a ppp account. I run the beekeeping bbs for beekeepers NOT FOR PROFIT as you suggest but for the love of beekeeping! T> By the way, please remove my details from your database. T> Belinda Dale T> http://www.tdale.demon.co.uk/BeeKeeping/index.htm T> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- T> --- ----------------------------- T> Steven Turner wrote in article T> <862956561@amigabee.org.uk>... >> Hello UK beekeepers, >> >> The Beekeeping bbs in London is a dialup bbs which is a focus for all T> things >> beekeeping and ideal for UK contacts. >> >> Its a fully interactive system using free Windows software to download. >> 3 nodes to dial up using terminal software 8.N.1 ansi >> >> 0181-695-5328 modem 14400 baud >> 0181-473-8171 modem Hayes 33k6 baud >> 0181-244-6123 modem Hayes 33k6 baud >> >> We offer a free service to beekeepers with a option to subscribe at T> £10.00 per >> year which includes the windows software package on 3 disk. >> Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 8271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!smash.gatech.edu!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!netcom-uk-feed0!not-for-mail From: Morley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives around Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 17:54:55 +3908 Organization: None. (via NETCOM Internet Ltd. USENET service). Lines: 43 Message-ID: <327EAA8F.186@itl.net> References: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> <9705170722141795@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ap17-12.itl.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8271 Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > M>From: Morley > >Subject: Moving hives around > > M>I live on an island of 45 sq. miles which supports about 600 hives and > >use of Apistan is mandatory. Every hive is registered and we are given > >specific dates on which to insert and extract the Apistan strips. Easily > >done in such a small place. > > Hi Morley, > > Sounds like you are all being treated like children by your bee > government... > Obviously, you've never met a stubborn Jersey beekeeper! We regard it as trying to save our colonies when seeing the example of huge losses in UK. Recently Dr Stephen Martin of the National Bee Unit visited the Island. It was reported that colony losses here (30 in 1996) were appreciably less in comparison with the UK figures, where there has been a 30-50% loss in Southern England, (70% in Hampshire) and difficulties were experienced in getting pollination contracts completed. In a neighbouring island where use of Bavarol is not mandatory, the number of beekeepers has reduced from 45 to 30. Spain lost 300,000 colonies in two years, but I don't know what their situation is about mandatory use of Bavarol. The whole of England and Wales is now a Statutory Infected Area - Scotland and Northern Ireland both remain free of Varroa, but for how long? ttul, the OLd Drone > Thank you for the rest of your info and comments, which I've printed off to give to our Society. Dr Martin also commented on the Apis cerana which he'd travelled to Japan to look at, commenting on the differences between them and A. mellifera and saying that A.cerana is not at all troubled by Varroa for reasons as yet undetected. Article 8272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!biologist.demon.co.uk!biologist.demon.co.uk!andrew From: Andrew Holmes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are the Bees in Your Clover? Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:07:56 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <19970503033400.XAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3370FFFD.4CF0@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: biologist.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: biologist.demon.co.uk [158.152.56.88] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.02 Lines: 58 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8272 In article , MISS FLII NYIKADZINO writes >Hi All > >I read with interest the posts on this thread including the bits and pieces >tacked here. I would like to pick a few bones and add my thoughts: > >>"Man" has caused so many problems for themselves that it is inevitable >>that they will cause their own downfall. It's only a question of when. >>(Which is directly related to the unsnipped relations below.) >With enough intelligent management of the 'human problem' by humnans >themselves any of the problems we have created can be turned into profit. >Humans just have to realise that putting more into science will in the short >term create problems, but in the long term science will improve those >problems and work out how to create money. (eg molassas used to be a waste >product that was often discarded, or sold so cheap it was almost discarded, >but is now turned into amino acids worth more than the sugar crop in South >Africa.) > >>> Not all people are so smart, however. In another instance, hysteria may >>> be to blame for the deliberate vandalization and poisoning of about a >>> hundred robust colonies of bees that by the end of the spring would have >>> produced enough beehives to pollinate one million dollars worth of apples >>> or melons. >>> >>> Mankind has got to get a grip on his fear of bees as well as his hunger >>> for profit at the expense of our bees if we are to avoid serious famine in >>> our country. It is time to stand up for the bees and hug a beekeeper. > >I find it interesting that this fear of bees is so violent in the US and >can say it is probably that the US has a noose around its neck called >hollywood that works pretty much along the same lines as the average >paranoid dictatorships media department, pushing out publically enticing >images of 'the enemy' (eg asians at one stage, now biological things, such >as dinosaurs, viruses, insects, and sadly bees: eg killer bees.) I live >near to the so called killer bees, and a look in the yellow pages tells you >how people feel about bees. Every add for bee removal says in biggger >letter than the rest of the add, "WE DO NOT KILL BEES". > >The US just needs to grow up a bit and get a good public outlook going. It's >a big rich culturally immature country, with a number of very mature people >and a number of very immature people, and all have the right to make a big >noise, so it will always be chaotically disorganised until it reaches the >level of older countries. (eg germany etc) The bees will survive. > >Keep well > >Garth > > I'd just like to add to Garth's testimony that I read not long ago about a bee which had been found embedded in amber; apparently it was virtually identical to a bee of the modern Trogona genus, and dated back about fifty-seven million years. I say - if the bees can survive that long and both they and the planet are still here . . . they can teach us a lot. -- Andrew Holmes Article 8273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!hermes.sovam.com!sovam!Gamma.RU!srcc!news.phys.msu.su!any.msu.ru!news.orc.ru!news From: hom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: WANTED: manufacturer of herbicide DIPHENATRIL (else crubfree). Any information, pleace! Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:08:10 +0400 Organization: Digital Nature Lines: 1 Message-ID: <337BCF9A.73B9@diginat.com> Reply-To: hom@diginat.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user62.orc.ru Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8273 sci.agriculture.fruit:816 sci.agriculture.poultry:2679 sci.agriculture.ratites:808 Article 8274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!208.213.229.158!news.internetsat.com!span.ch!imp.ch!tisdial3.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Info Please! Date: 17 May 97 20:33:38 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 40 Message-ID: <01bc6301$91e8c700$2b80a19d@default> References: <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> <17B6F96B9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8274 Aaron Morris schrieb im Beitrag <17B6F96B9S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>... > In article <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> > "username" writes: > > > > >debbis@naxs.com > > > >This will be the third time out, I am seeking some simple information and I > >need articles to back it up. > >!. Do bees hear and if so how? > >2. Will beating on pots,pans or ringing of bells bring down (Settle) a > >swarm? > >I'd appreciate your responses. > > > >Thanks, > >Debbi Spencer 1) Bees do hear, i.e., they can sense acoustic signals. Acoustic signals which are transmitted by solid surfaces (vibrations) are sensed by sensor cells in the claws and integrated at a high sensitivity in a neuronal organ, the 'subgenual node' located in the leg. Acoustic signals transmitted through the air are received by 'Johnston's organs' in the antennae. 2) Wether beating on pots etc. will effectively bring down a swarm I haven't tried yet myself. However it is curious to note that the practice seems to be very old, dating back as far as the roman writer Vergil (70 B.C to 19 A.D.) who in his 'Georgica', a text about agroculture, also describes beekeeping in much detail. In an illustration to a reprint of this text printed 1502 in Strassburg there is a beekeeper seen in his fenced-in bee-garden banging with a stick on a sort of gong (to bring down the swarm in the air above his head ?). Hope this brings you further! francis Article 8275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: REMOVEcdg1@concentric.net (Charles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Phone Calls!!! - Free Plans and special offer. Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 23:32:42 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 77 Message-ID: <5llf7b$82d@chronicle.concentric.net> References: <5lgcsd$pf1@nntp.dist.maricopa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057061.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8275 OK free call fans, Have I got a deal for you ! 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Kerker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 18 May 1997 01:10:42 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online [Usenet News Server for Hire] Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bafae7$470f89e0$965a45c6@makerker> References: <9705170722141796@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s150.paonline.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news3.paonline.com!news.paonline.com!usenet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8276 Same here in South-central PA. I only have two hives, but I lost them completely to Varroa in 1995. Since re-starting with new packages last spring, I haven't seen ONE mite!?!? Apistan strips spring and fall. -Mike Kerker > > > > Had the Maryland state bee inspector here today. (southern maryland) > > We inspected bees at several locations. We did ether rolls on some and > > drone brood check on others and both on some. Apistan strips had been > > used on all of my hives early this spring. NO VARROA MITES!!!! > > > Article 8277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.earthlink.net!max1-to-ca-06.earthlink.net!user From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apis cerrana - no varoa! (was: Moving hives around) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 20:20:23 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> <9705170722141795@beenet.com> <327EAA8F.186@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-to-ca-06.earthlink.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8277 In article <327EAA8F.186@itl.net>, Morley wrote: > Thank you for the rest of your info and comments, which I've printed off > to give to our Society. > Dr Martin also commented on the Apis cerana which he'd travelled to > Japan to look at, commenting on the differences between them and A. > mellifera and saying that A.cerana is not at all troubled by Varroa for > reasons as yet undetected. What sor tof a honey producer is a.cerrana and can it be kept like A.mellifera? Paul Article 8278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 04:09:20 GMT Organization: none Lines: 22 Message-ID: <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com> References: <337981D5.795CCDA8@midtown.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8278 On Wed, 14 May 1997 09:11:49 +0000, Sheri Kimbro wrote: >I've got a little ant problem. Well,,ok not me personally, but my bees >do. They seem to bee only interested in the sugar water. any harm? > Depending on the ants aggressiveness and bees self protection , it may not be a problem. A bit of horticultural oil under the hive and about the base will repell many ants for a while. Motor oil works but not recommended for where the bees can get into it. Usually the bees keep the ants away but some colonies can become over stressed and a bit mean. Sometimes those little black(piss ants?)(stink when crushed) make a nest below the hive and just when i go to examine it and disturb the ant colony thousands of ants swarm up all sides of the hive which causes some alarm in the colony especially if it is already broken down to its base. Happens mostly when i allow the hive bottom to be very close to the ground. Assuming it is a swarm or package ,at the point that the numbers decline just before the brood emerges the colony may be susceptable to attack or just plain harrassemnt. Ant colonies are one reason i got rid of the metal covered wood tops as these little black ants just love the heat generated in these in late spring. The larger red ants are only a problem when their mounds get verry large and it seems there arent many large mounds about. tim Article 8279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews1 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: tims corner Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 06:06:40 GMT Organization: none Lines: 55 Message-ID: <337a8412.37520892@snews2.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8279 Southern oregon usa. Hobby beekeeping. Well the swarms have slowed for now and the colonies are in a mix of queenright and getting that way. nectar from madrone is done; harry vetch is about mid term: various grasses have shown their first hint of drying up for the summer: wild blackberry is sitting waiting to burst open and supply the main nectar flo for the area(after which all stops unless i move a ways to starthissell. A good colony is finishing 1 western by now and a bad colony has its home given to a fine new swarm. No wild swarm calls and only expect 1 or 2 at most where in past years there may have been several dozen. Black locust trees in town are in full bloom. Wild manzanita shrub finished bloom couple of weeks ago. strawberries and cultivated blackberries in bloom. Weather is in the 70-95 range just now and bees are beezy. Seems many of the swarms retrieved ended up queenless after a couple of weeks was able to cull some extra virgins from later swarms and all got accepted quickly and are now laying. Even that little lost fist sized cluster accepted a cell and now has a laying queen for replacement if needed. Of course now i get to watch the strongest swarmed out colonies weaken as some lost a full brood cycle in the queen renual cycle. Not perfect in management during swarm season and now i get to play box manager or musical chairs with the bodies and supers. If i expect to get any honey to speak of , will need to extract as fast as they cap it as used most all supers for increase instead of stacking em 3(western) high in the hopes : ) of filling em all . Except for the blackberry , this is not a good honey producing mountian range yep its time to reap the sweet almost as most of the full supers have 10 to 50% capped. Found a few frames to try out the new 20 frame extractor. It will definitely make the little honey(per colony) less work . Having worked with the ballance of a spinning 4 frame extractor i was somewhat concerned with its stability but first run went verry nicely ::-) ::-) ::-) present form of swarm controll....., Give a colony all the good comb space before and where its needed , switching strong and weak positions , splits if have hive bodies from winter failures, and mostly a 16foot orchard ladder with a 24 foot prunner pole( 2 12ft spliced together) with a pullley and rope for the box. Actually after falling off the top of the ladder and breaking several thousand dollars worth of bones a couple of years ago its a wonder i still find it so fasinating . Usually just place a screen over the box untill sure i have the or a queen and plop them on a sheet in front of a hive body where needed. Just for trial i ploped a rather strong swarm in front of hopelessly queenless hive with much fewer bees(oops) .... big war....swarm lost half its members and after half an hour of bloody fighting the swarm gave up and retreated off the sheet into the grass.... gave em a nuke with good comb and suplies and no thanks to me they doin just fine:) If anyone got this far in my corner and has an opinion on the use of those cans of spray canola cooking oil for spot use as a tracial mite population reducer, I would be interested. tim at magick.net At least in the fall i use paper towles soaked in canola oil laid over the top barrs of the brood nest for some controll of tracial mites. Cant say if it works but seems to be the norm for the area beekeepers. Actually i tried the spray on a colony that is loosing many bees every day for the past 2 months to a twiching jerking unable to fly sickness. Even the 4 frame nuke that i took from it early is ill and not thinking to use it a s a controll colony i sprayed it also with no noticeable adverse affects after about 3 days. Should i make any honey money i may be looking for a fine used cappings seperator/wax melter so if your stepping up in equipment or out and have a fine buy within reach of southern oregon.........drop a note to me. Enough rambling........Hope your bees do great this year! tim Article 8280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Info Please! Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:11:18 GMT Organization: none Lines: 27 Message-ID: <337d34a4.579102@snews2.zippo.com> References: <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8280 On Wed, 14 May 1997 22:36:06 -0400, "username" wrote: >debbis@naxs.com > >This will be the third time out, I am seeking some simple information and I >need articles to back it up. >!. Do bees hear and if so how? >2. Will beating on pots,pans or ringing of bells bring down (Settle) a >swarm? >I'd appreciate your responses. > >Thanks, >Debbi Spencer of course they hear. Otherwise they would not need to make so many differnt sounds which are listed in most good bee books. Dont know where the ears are! Old farmers tale! Most nearby swarms settle verry quickly so you could make any sound and say it was the sound that setteled the swarm. But it seems to me that they definitly can hear when i am hammering hive parts and come to check out the spefic sound as they may be passing. So when the swarm is just leaving the hive ive many many times tried differnt loud sounds to see if they will settle quicker(lower in the trees) and its my opinion that it make no difference weather you make a racket or not. Except maby thunder which i havent yet set the proper stero up to try it. Total hogwash and when you find the grain of truth to it let us all know. hmmmmm wonder how the neighbors would like the sound of a black powder shotgun every time i get a hive swarming : ) tim Article 8281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:55:53 GMT Organization: none Lines: 25 Message-ID: <337ba613.33231083@snews2.zippo.com> References: <19970511194100.PAA28938@ladder02.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8281 On 11 May 1997 15:41:06 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > I have a half dozen good bee books and from my reading this escapes me- > >Just what does happen if you put honey supers on early? >If I am reversing my brood chambers on a regular basis then not much brood >will end up in the honey supers so barring that what gives? > > Today I set out a swarm trap with a comb of honey in it and some lures >(the ones that smell like lemon balm) >If the bees rob the honey comb then they will at least know the swarm trap >is there. If there is enough bees they will keep them clean for you and ready for any nectur. If the strain of bee is such that they like to propolize to excess.......gooy gobs of sticky stickem which you can put in your best friends jacket pocket when its 95 degrees . You need to place them before needed. Unless you have foundation below or in the supers in which case the foundation may not get drawn or may be torn down by the bees. If its too hot and there just arent enough bees to cool the whole hive, there may be dammage to the combs. Assuming you are aware of where the queen is often, the colony is healthy, swarming is controlled, there is no chance of overheating the combs in the event you loose most of the bees for whatever reason, wax moth no problem for those supers.....stack em as high as you want as early as you want. Article 8282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hookup!scramble.lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!goldenapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-2020.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apis cerrana - no varoa! (was: Moving hives around) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 06:48:39 -0400 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 43 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> <9705170722141795@beenet.com> <327EAA8F.186@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-2020.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8282 Apis cerana can be and is kept like A. mellifera, only in smaller hives. There are different subspecies. One in particular has larger colonies (as I recall) and is more of a honey-producer. The species is smaller than mellifera, and the honey yields are considerably less. There is also a problem of absconding when colonies are disturbed, but perhaps this has been worked out in management research over the years. Cerana has v. mites in the hive but can "deal" with them, so the colony is not destroyed. Not sure, but I think they have grooming behavior which keeps the mites at bay. There has recently been published a new book on the biology/mgmt of A. cerana. Maybe someone on the list could give you the particulars. I would like to know if cerana has been tried in North America at some point before... This is a very interesting topic, and I also would appreciate further comments and info. Cheers, J. Govostes Freeville, NY In article , paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) wrote: > In article <327EAA8F.186@itl.net>, Morley wrote: > > > Thank you for the rest of your info and comments, which I've printed off > > to give to our Society. > > Dr Martin also commented on the Apis cerana which he'd travelled to > > Japan to look at, commenting on the differences between them and A. > > mellifera and saying that A.cerana is not at all troubled by Varroa for > > reasons as yet undetected. > > What sor tof a honey producer is a.cerrana and can it be kept like A.mellifera? > > Paul Article 8283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!news.bu.edu!ppp-84-3.bu.edu!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 11:59:54 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <337981D5.795CCDA8@midtown.net> <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-84-3.bu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8283 In article <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com>, tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 1997 09:11:49 +0000, Sheri Kimbro wrote: > > >I've got a little ant problem. Well,,ok not me personally, but my bees > >do. They seem to bee only interested in the sugar water. any harm? Another thought. My Bee " guru" uses " 3M Super 77 Adhesive Spray" around the sides and back of the bottom hive body, and bottom board. I have also tried this, and it works great. Ants and any other unwanteds coming up from the surronding ground stick to it. Bees however can pull themselves of, if they stray to the sprayed areas Which is very rare). Just a real narrow, light spray band is all that is needed, and so far this season, I have not had to reapply the stuff. -I- -- /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" /^ ^ Y /o o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ I'm / "~" | Having A Bad Y _, | HARE /| ;-"~ _ l Day / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y > ) l I ! > ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- ira_seskin@bmugbos.org (e- mail only... no attachments) iraseski@xensei.com (e-mail when sending attachements) http://www.xensei.com/users/iraseski "Live Free or Die" Article 8284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!max1-to-ca-06.earthlink.net!user From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: where do I start? Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 09:36:28 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <01bc6295$adc8d300$18810ccf@default> <01bc62c0$b6b21be0$508cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-to-ca-06.earthlink.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8284 Mark, > I am interested in starting a "hobby hive" since I haven't seen one bee > in > > the garden this year. Where do I start, probably should read a book or > two. Mark, Where do you live? Jack's in Michigan and while it may be a bit late to start a hive there, here in Southern California we can start hives any time of the year. Order your bee's and plan on feeding them to build the colony quickly. And don't forget your public library as a resource for beekeeping information. I found more than enough info there three years ago when I started my hive. Paul Article 8285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Seán Corcoran" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees to Sections, Help. Date: 18 May 1997 20:22:01 GMT Organization: Indigo Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts01-15.cork.indigo.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8285 Hello there. A friend of mine tells me that he has difficulty getting his bees to go up to work on sections He cannot find reason why. Have you any ideas, suggestions, advice for him?. I am a newcomer to Beekeeping having bought my first Bees yesterday. Thanks, Sean. Article 8286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!arachnid.Gsu.EDU!panther.Gsu.EDU!biojdsx From: James D Satterfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginning Hobby Beekeepers Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:46:19 -0400 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.gsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8286 I've seen several posts about getting started. 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Vance wrote in article <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu>... > Has anyone else had any trouble with raccoons around their hives? At > least I think it is a raccoon which is nightly turning over the sugar > syrup feeder. I'm afraid it will eventually get into the hive and > destroy everything. Thinking it was a skunk, I put up a two foot fence > last night, but this morning I saw where the critter had climbed over > the fence. Today I put up a 4 foot fence. But I'm afraid that it will > simply climb over this as well. The raccoon, after all, is in the bear > family. I've never had trouble with racoons and bees however they do like sweetcorn. The best thing that I have found for keeping out racoons is an electric fence placed about 6-10 inches off of the ground with small posts that cannot be climbed. Hope this helps! Article 8289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news1.bellglobal.com!thunder.mgl.ca!usenet From: John Summerfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! Queenless hive Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 23:58:33 -0400 Organization: MGL Systems Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <337FCFE9.2555@mgl.ca> Reply-To: johnsumm@mgl.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: hurricane8.mgl.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8289 Hi, I'd appreciate any info on this one... After starting with a 6 frame nuc last spring and prospering tremendously in terms of hive strength, I got over-enthusiastic and decided to split the hive. I opted for the method of removing 3 frames of brood in various stages of growth, eggs through to emerging and one frame of honey. I installed these into a brood super with 6 other frames of drawn out comb. My intention was to introduce a ready-to-go queen from a local breeder/supply house. No dice, no queens available till maybe next week. I rechecked the brood when I found this out and found eggs less than 3 days old. In my book "The hive and the honey bee" - Graham/Dadant, they say that the workers/nurses will make emergency queens by drawing out queen cells on newly hatched larvae. Is this the case? If I inspect the frames next week and find no emergency queen cells, can I still install a breeder-bought queen or will a worker have started laying drones alread? And if a worker starts laying drones, I hear they will kill any introduced queen when they emerge. Then what? Is the hive lost? Thanks for any help here! John Summerfield johnsumm@mgl.ca Article 8311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:34:05 GMT Organization: none Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3381ddba.1626396@snews2.zippo.com> References: <337981D5.795CCDA8@midtown.net> <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8311 On Sun, 18 May 1997 11:59:54 -0500, iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) wrote: >In article <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com>, tim@magick.net (Tim >Brown) wrote: > >> On Wed, 14 May 1997 09:11:49 +0000, Sheri Kimbro wrote: >> >> >I've got a little ant problem. Well,,ok not me personally, but my bees >> >do. They seem to bee only interested in the sugar water. any harm? >Another thought. My Bee " guru" uses " 3M Super 77 Adhesive Spray" around >the sides and back of the bottom hive body, and bottom board. I have also >tried this, and it works great. Ants and any other unwanteds coming up >from the surronding ground stick to it. Bees however can pull themselves >of, if they stray to the sprayed areas Which is very rare). Just a real >narrow, light spray band is all that is needed, and so far this season, I >have not had to reapply the stuff. > ira_seskin@bmugbos.org (e- mail only... no attachments) > iraseski@xensei.com (e-mail when sending attachements) This may compair to tanglefoot which is a vaseline like product that doesnt dry out and is sticky.(garden suply stores) If it remains clean it will provide a barrier to ants and other insects for couple of years and may be cheaper. That said i dont recomend putting sticky gunk on good bee equipment. Even putting it on the leggs of hive stands(works good) has its negative aspect when you get some brushed on to your suit and then the truck and house carpet. tim Article 8297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apis cerrana - no varoa! (was: Moving hives around) Date: 20 May 1997 03:32:37 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 37 Message-ID: <01bc64ce$71d5aa40$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> <9705170722141795@beenet.com> <327EAA8F.186@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 10:32:37 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8297 JG in NY wrote in article ... > Apis cerana can be and is kept like A. mellifera, only in smaller hives. > Cerana has v. mites in the hive but can "deal" with them, so the colony is > not destroyed. Not sure, but I think they have grooming behavior which > keeps the mites at bay. They do exhibit grooming behavior. Apis cerana has a shorter brood development time as well. There drones emerge on average 21 days from egg laid (same as Apis mellifera worker average is claimed to be by many - though it actually varies with a tendency toward lower times). Cerana workers develop on average in 18 days (mellifera has been bred to do that too in some severe inbreeding experiments but to my knowledge no such strains currently exist). Cerana drone cappings are also unique and may contribute to the control. Cerana is in a generally tropical area. Even on mellifera the Vmites are less fecund and have higher rates of infertility in tropical climates. There may be other things I am not recalling this instant as well. > I would like to know if cerana has been tried in North America at some > point before... Good question but I doubt it. Mellifera is substantially better at honey production (which is why it got moved into cerana areas in the first place and why we now have Vmites nearly worldwide (save for the continent of Australia plus Hawaii and some other islands). So it would seem unlikely ceranna has seen much experimental use due to the fact beekeepers in the past were usually looking for bigger yeilds when they imported new bee stock. Article 8295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raccoons? and bees Date: 20 May 1997 02:54:58 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 41 Message-ID: <01bc64c9$2fe6f300$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> <01bc63fe$e65f9cc0$c5f692cf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 9:54:58 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8295 James Campbell wrote in article <01bc63fe$e65f9cc0$c5f692cf@default>... > > > Bruce A. Vance wrote in article > <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu>... > > Has anyone else had any trouble with raccoons around their hives? At > > least I think it is a raccoon which is nightly turning over the sugar > > syrup feeder. I'm afraid it will eventually get into the hive and > > destroy everything. Thinking it was a skunk, I put up a two foot fence > > last night, but this morning I saw where the critter had climbed over > > the fence. Today I put up a 4 foot fence. But I'm afraid that it will > > simply climb over this as well. The raccoon, after all, is in the bear > > family. >The best thing that I have found for keeping out racoons is an > electric fence placed about 6-10 inches off of the ground with small posts > that cannot be climbed. Dr. Roger Hoopingarner says he suspects raccoons to be the culprit in removing the lids and top supers from several colonies at the MSU apiary this winter. Other beekeepers have reported that racoons take any outside syrup feeders off and empty them. Whether the coons were actually caught in the act or the beekeepers just think it is coons I have no idea but racoons are clever rascals so I would not put it past them. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Queenless hive Date: 20 May 1997 02:49:45 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 56 Message-ID: <01bc64c8$74f855c0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <337FCFE9.2555@mgl.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 9:49:45 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8294 John Summerfield wrote in article <337FCFE9.2555@mgl.ca>... > Hi, I'd appreciate any info on this one... > > After starting with a 6 frame nuc last spring and prospering > tremendously in terms of hive strength, I got over-enthusiastic and > decided to split the hive. I opted for the method of removing 3 frames > of brood in various stages of growth, eggs through to emerging and one > frame of honey. I installed these into a brood super with 6 other > frames of drawn out comb. Sounds good so far. Assuming you did not lose a lot of bees out of the nuc after the split was made. > My intention was to introduce a ready-to-go queen from a local > breeder/supply house. No dice, no queens available till maybe next > week. I rechecked the brood when I found this out and found eggs less > than 3 days old. In my book "The hive and the honey bee" - > Graham/Dadant, they say that the workers/nurses will make emergency > queens by drawing out queen cells on newly hatched larvae. > Is this the case? YES - how dandy a job they do will depend mostly on if they have sufficient young bees plus sufficient pollen plus sufficient open unripened honey. >If I inspect the frames next week and find no > emergency queen cells, can I still install a breeder-bought queen or > will a worker have started laying drones alread? If you install a queen then you had best shake the bees from every queen and give them a very thorough look-see for queen cells. Once the bees commit to raising their own queen it is often harder to get them to accept a queen you give them - not impossible but harder. > And if a worker starts > laying drones, I hear they will kill any introduced queen when they > emerge. Then what? Is the hive lost? Usually takes nearer to 2 weeks for any serious amount of laying workers to be present. Laying workers are indeed less likely to accept a queen and are usually best united with a existing queenright colony. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catalog on bee supplies From: hans.cowan@nashville.com (Hans Cowan) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.planetc.com!nashville.com Message-ID: <00000F0700001213@nashville.com> Date: 19 May 97 16:15:03 Organization: The Nashville Exchange-http://WWW.NASHVILLE.COM Lines: 2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8291 Walter Kelley Bee Supplies in Clarkson Ky 502-242-2012 Article 8292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: handls@aol.com (Handls) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seed Catalogs Date: 19 May 1997 21:35:04 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19970520013501.VAA22359@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8292 can anyone tell me which seed catalogs have flowers that honeybees like? Elyse Article 8290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:51:22 -0600 From: aspighi@island.net Subject: multiple eggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <863999624.18021@dejanews.com> Reply-To: aspighi@island.net Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 18 23:53:44 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 204.239.41.210 (dyn10.qcc.island.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0Gold (Win95; U) X-Authenticated-Sender: aspighi@island.net Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8290 Due to a extremely high mortality rate over the winter I find myself with a handful of bees and a 2 year old queen that has just started laying her eggs several to a cell. Is this a sign of senility or is this due to there being to few workers to care for the larvea if they are spread over a larger area? Will this stunt the development of the larvea? I would like to raise my own Queen in order not to contaminate the Queen Charlottes with the dreaded mites. Is this imposible? Or should I start from scratch and buy a new Queen and a few pound of bees. Someone please advise me. thank you Adriana -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multiple eggs Date: 20 May 1997 02:41:59 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 59 Message-ID: <01bc64c7$5ea878a0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <863999624.18021@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 9:41:59 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8293 aspighi@island.net wrote in article <863999624.18021@dejanews.com>... > Due to a extremely high mortality rate over the winter I find myself with > a handful of bees and a 2 year old queen that has just started laying her > eggs several to a cell. Is this a sign of senility or is this due to > there being to few workers to care for the larvea if they are spread over > a larger area? Will this stunt the development of the larvea? I would > like to raise my own Queen in order not to contaminate the Queen > Charlottes with the dreaded mites. Is this imposible? Or should I start > from scratch and buy a new Queen and a few pound of bees. > Someone please advise me. thank you Adriana > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet > Howdy Adriana, If you have but a handful of bees now (19 May) in the North the odds against that colony building up even enough to make stores for the winter are incredibly poor. By now the colony needs to be getting into serious brood nest expansion and even well into swarm prep if management has not included swarm control. One of our HIP Cooperators just reported catching a swarm today in a colony he had admittingly not kept ahead of. If the particular queen is for some reason dear to you (not sure why she would be if her colony has dwindled away to nothing) then the way to save the colony is by getting them a couple pounds of bees. You can buy queenless booster packages. Or you can for very little more buy yourself a queenright package and try again. You don't say where you live but there are increasingly few places that do not have both mites already. While it may sound strange we were in one sense actually relieved when we finally got the Vmites (Tmites had been around MI a few years by then) because then all the worry about what would happen was over and now we just had a real problem to work at instead. So if your area truly does not have mites of course do all you can to stall off getting them but if you live where mites are found I would not worry on getting them (you will anyways) but rather learn how to effectively control them in such a way that your bees survive. Some tips to that end may be found under "Treatment Timing Tips" on my web site. Queens with too few bees will sometimes lay multiple eggs in cells. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 20 May 1997 03:14:15 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 59 Message-ID: <01bc64cb$e17f8260$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <9705170722141796@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 10:14:15 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8296 > **FYI** Something to think about, "What happened to all those mites?" > bartlett wrote: > > > > Had the Maryland state bee inspector here today. (southern maryland) > > We inspected bees at several locations. We did ether rolls on some and > > drone brood check on others and both on some. Apistan strips had been > > used on all of my hives early this spring. NO VARROA MITES!!!! > > In Michigan, unfortunately, there is no longer any funding to support > state bee inspections, so it's everyone for oneself now. However, in > going through all my yards in seven different locations, I have yet to > see a varroa mite this spring!! I basically pull out drone brood (the > easiest ones to get to are those exposed between brood chambers), and > in looking over hundreds of them I didn't see a mite. Every spring > for some years now there have always been mites, usually at least one > per cell and often many more. I haven't seen much on the list about > currnet mite populations until this post. What are others seeing this > year? > > Ted Fischer > Dexter, Michigan USA Howdy Ted - I can assure you we still have Varroa alive and well in MI though the population was indeed substantially reduced by the 80-90% statewide colony loss experienced in 95-96. In some areas of the state where we have HIP untreated test yards the mite challenge was so low that the untreated test yards had very nearly the same survival rate as did the treated colonies in the remainder of the Cooperators operations. This Spring colonies looked real good - swarming has been reported quite early in some places too. This means we will have bees in the trees that will eventually succumb to the mites and then donate LOTS of mites back to nearby colonies at inopportune times. Remember that we have a HUGE amount of migratory beekeeping both within the state for pollination and between MI and several Southern states - primarily FL, GA, and SC in that order. Additionally it is very likely we will see some western based beekeepers (locked out of their old stomping grounds due to having set their bees down in AHB areas) bringing bees into unregulated for bees MI this year for pollination (maybe some are already here actually). So it is safe to assume that we will get a healthy dose of new mites as well - and a more genetically diverse mite population as well. Plus we may get a taste of AHB as well (thinking how VERY glad I am we use AI). -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:03:17 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <3381aec1.2429442@news.wn.com.au> References: <9705170722141796@beenet.com> <01bc64cb$e17f8260$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 26 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8299 having set their bees down in AHB areas) bringing bees into >unregulated for bees MI this year for pollination (maybe some are already >here actually). So it is safe to assume that we will get a healthy dose of >new mites as well - and a more genetically diverse mite population as well. > Plus we may get a taste of AHB as well (thinking how VERY glad I am we use >AI). Hello Jack, What is AHB? >-- >Jack Griffes >Country Jack's Honeybee Farm >Honeybee Improvement Program >Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes >Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 >USA >Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ >Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the >following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. >e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com > > > > Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia Telephone (61) (08) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 21 May 1997 03:35:55 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 35 Message-ID: <01bc6598$12330860$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <9705170722141796@beenet.com> <01bc64cb$e17f8260$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <3381aec1.2429442@news.wn.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 10:35:55 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8305 Ken Morris wrote in article <3381aec1.2429442@news.wn.com.au>... > Hello Jack, > > What is AHB? > Regards, > Ken Morris > Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia > Telephone (61) (08) 9926 1087 > http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm > Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software > Howdy Ken, AHB = Africanized Honey Bee = Apis mellifera scuttelata I like your site Ken and hope you get lots of visitors. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-dc-26.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!newsserver.qms.com!news From: todd@rd.qms.com (Todd Brian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 21 May 1997 12:19:19 GMT Organization: QMS,Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5lup88$q6l@newsserver.qms.com> References: <01bc6598$12330860$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: todd@rd.qms.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.33.128.92 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8314 Jack, I live down here in Mobile AL. It is my understanding that we should not see the evil AHB for quite a few years. Do you know any differently? Do you really, expect to see them in your area this year? Thanks, Todd BTW I am a first year beekeeper having a blast and thinking I am having a bumper crop. Got three shallow supers full. Started from 5 frame nuc and all foundation. In article 518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com, "Jack Griffes" writes: > > AHB = Africanized Honey Bee = Apis mellifera scuttelata > Article 8317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 21 May 1997 20:25:29 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 45 Message-ID: <01bc6625$190ae9e0$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc6598$12330860$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <5lup88$q6l@newsserver.qms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 21 3:25:29 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8317 Todd Brian wrote in article <5lup88$q6l@newsserver.qms.com>... > Jack, > I live down here in Mobile AL. It is my understanding that we should not see the evil > AHB for quite a few years. Do you know any differently? You are likely talking about natural movement and thus are likely correct. The chance of them getting moved into MI is related to migratory pollination however - not natural colony movement. >Do you really, expect to > see them in your area this year? In my area of SE MI - NO (just North of Toledo/Sylvania, OH area) In the state of MI however it is within the realm of possibility that we MAY have AHB via means of migratory operations moving in to do pollination that have set down in AHB areas. This is but a chance - it remains VERY likely that the bulk of the colonies in said operations have pure EHB (European Honey Bee) queens. There is a possibility (enough of one that their home states will not permit them to bring bees back in) that some of the colonies have AHB queens. It is unlikely that AHB would survive here overwinter but it could happen - it is even less likely that any feral AHB colonies which might be established via swarming would survive the mites plus winters (the deadly duo) - thus I am not presently concerned about AHB actually becoming a permanent fixture. My concern is with maintaining mating control - which is why I said I was very glad we use AI. Hope that answers your questions, -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: 20 May 1997 07:31:52 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 30 Message-ID: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 2:31:52 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8298 We have a new beeyard that is severely tick-infested (around here almost every yard is at least mildly tick infested). Every visit brings home ticks. My son and I spent several hours there Saturday searching for AI queens and marking naturally mated queens and we both came home with ticks on us (but luckily not latched on yet). And then Sunday morning at a early church leadership meeting (drove there in my truck that had been to the infested yard) I had the great joy of feeling a tick crawling on my arm. I killed it as discreetly as possible, dropped it in my open briefcase - then as the meeting closed picked it up and dumped it in the trash. Then as I was walking down the hall I feel a second tick crawling across my collarbone - which I immediately dispatched and discarded. In other words we really need to do something about the ticks at that yard. Does anyone have experience or know of links to information on controlling ticks in a bee yard setting (where spraying would not likely be wise)? Thanks in advance, -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!199.171.21.6!news.eden.com!interval.net!arlut.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!tivoli.tivoli.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!sjnews.sanjose.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!heaven.pok.ibm.com!hempel From: hempel@heaven.pok.ibm.com (Bruce Hempel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: 20 May 1997 20:47:39 GMT Organization: IBM Corporation, Poughkeepsie, New York Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5lt2lb$ipp$1@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: hempel@vnet.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: heaven.pok.ibm.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8303 In article <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, "Jack Griffes" writes: |> We have a new beeyard that is severely tick-infested (around here almost |> every yard is at least mildly tick infested). Every visit brings home |> ticks. My son and I spent several hours there Saturday searching for AI |> queens and marking naturally mated queens and we both came home with ticks |> on us (but luckily not latched on yet). And then Sunday morning at a |> early church leadership meeting (drove there in my truck that had been to |> the infested yard) I had the great joy of feeling a tick crawling on my |> arm. I killed it as discreetly as possible, dropped it in my open |> briefcase - then as the meeting closed picked it up and dumped it in the |> trash. Then as I was walking down the hall I feel a second tick crawling |> across my collarbone - which I immediately dispatched and discarded. In |> other words we really need to do something about the ticks at that yard. |> |> Does anyone have experience or know of links to information on controlling |> ticks in a bee yard setting (where spraying would not likely be wise)? |> |> Thanks in advance, |> -- |> Jack Griffes |> Country Jack's Honeybee Farm |> Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 |> USA |> The way we control ticks on our property is by means of having several guinea hens. Works very well. In our case, we are concerned about deer ticks which carry Lyme disease. I believe guinea hens will eat any kind of bug, including other ticks as well. -- *---------------------------------------------------* Bruce Hempel | Sin ravages the soul like cancer does the body; | | fortunately, there is a cure available. | *---------------------------------------------------* Article 8304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:46:51 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3382540B.912@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca11-02.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 6:51:30 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) CC: griffes@ix.netcom.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8304 Here's an idea, but needs to be checked out if the device differentially affects ticks versus bees: There is a high pitch frequency sound device that I frequently see advertised in Yankee magazine to keep rodents at bay. Humans can't hear it, but it sure is effective for rats and mice. You plug it in. Unfortunately, this month's issue isn't carrying the advertisement. I'd check with a pet store: they are sure to know what I'm referring to; however, how to find out if it would drive the bees out is another inquiry.... > Article 8315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: tceisele@mtu.edu (Timothy C. Eisele) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: 21 May 1997 08:24:48 -0400 Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5lupig$lf4@hornet.my> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <3382540B.912@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-User: tceisele@hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8315 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: : Here's an idea, but needs to be checked out if the device differentially : affects ticks versus bees: There is a high pitch frequency sound device : that I frequently see advertised in Yankee magazine to keep rodents at : bay. Humans can't hear it, but it sure is effective for rats and mice. : You plug it in. Unfortunately, this month's issue isn't carrying the : advertisement. I'd check with a pet store: they are sure to know what : I'm referring to; however, how to find out if it would drive the bees out : is another inquiry.... : These devices were discussed about a year ago in, I believe, the entomology newsgroup. The upshot is that, in controlled trials, these ultrasonic pest repellers do not work. At all. Not even a little bit. For anything. I believe it was the FDA that conducted the testing, and came up negative on all counts. They are still being sold mainly because people want to believe that they work, and so convince themselves that they do (and also because they are *very* profitable to the sellers). If I can get the time, I'll try to hunt down the reference for the testing. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 8316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!azure.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: 21 May 1997 18:15:12 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Message-ID: <01bc6564$9a83dfc0$LocalHost@luichart.woollens> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p49-lorikeet-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8316 Hi Jack, Has the yard got vegetation? Grass? If so I would kill the grass and burn it. Perhaps even cutting it very short would help. -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site; http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Jack Griffes wrote in article <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>... . > > Does anyone have experience or know of links to information on controlling > ticks in a bee yard setting (where spraying would not likely be wise)? > Article 8318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks & weeds in a beeyard?? Date: 21 May 1997 20:44:51 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 51 Message-ID: <01bc6627$cf6b3a80$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bc6564$9a83dfc0$LocalHost@luichart.woollens> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 21 3:44:52 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8318 Harry Goudie wrote in article <01bc6564$9a83dfc0$LocalHost@luichart.woollens>... > Hi Jack, > Has the yard got vegetation? Grass? If so I would kill the grass and burn > it. Perhaps even cutting it very short would help. > -- > Harry > Scotland Howdy Harry and the others who have posted helpful suggestions or e-mailed them, Michigan is a lush green state - yep there is grass/weeds in every yard and sometimes they get mighty tall - tick heaven you could say. We try to keep the level down in front of hives but it is unfortunately not a practical possibility to keep every yard mowed down short (which would require mowing them all about twice a week right now then once a week all through the Summer). I bet your suggestion would work though if we had the time to do it. We can't kill the vegetation on other folks land - especially when we try to place our bees on places that don't care for chemical use (a HUGE safety plus for the bees). And for the helpful folks that suggested running Guinea fowl in the yards - I had never thought of that one but we don't get there often enough to tend them anyway since the yards with the biggest tick problem are not the home yard (though that one is a slight problem as well and perhaps a good place to try the Guinea fowl idea if I first shoot the neighbors dog that killed all our chickens 2 or 3 years ago - which I don't think I will do since he is now getting old enough he may kick off on his own in a year or two). We have put used carpet (indoor/outdoor or that fake grass type) down in the home yard. We will very soon be starting a trial of Dewitt Sunbelt weed control fabric. We have most hives in groups of four hives each facing a different direction on 2 - 4"x4"x 8' ground contact treated posts. We plan to put a 6'x12' piece of Sunbelt under each hive stand to completely eliminate mowing/trimming around the hives. Sunbelt is ground stapled down and can take pretty heavy foot traffic - it has already lasted 12 years on windbreaks in the Denver, CO area so we think it will work here for long enough to make it worth while. It costs $.07 US/square foot. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:15:51 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3381A407.366D@ultranet.com> References: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> <33735B5B.161C@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.dial-6.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8300 Tom Perigrin wrote: > > In article <33735B5B.161C@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman > wrote: > > > > I keep illegal hives and do not recognize the authority > > of the state to tell me what to do with my bees . In > > other words, they should mid their own bees wax. Also, > > I do not see the benefit of requiring inspectable > > hives, other than makin some government bureaucrat's > > job easier. Why don't they go arrest some wild bees > > for nesting in a tree? > > *sigh* > > When the populace begins to think that they are above the law, and to brag > about it in open fora, then that country is in trouble. > > Marc > > You may have a good arguement about the reasonming behind these laws. > However, there are ways to deal with bad laws that preserve the rule of law > in this country. Write to your congress critter, organize a grass roots > movement, get out the vote, and CHANGE the law. I was just part of a > succesful movement to get an Ohio Law changed, so that rather than break > the law, we can now do what we want within the law (not pertaining to > beekeeping). > > You say that you "do not recognize the authority of the state". Do you > think burglars, theives, and murderers should use this arguement? You are > tilling the ground for them... you are giving credence to the concept that > if a person doesn't like the law, they should just refuse to recognize the > state's authority. In short, you are promoting lawlessness. > > I don't like all the laws. But I do not advocate criminality. > > Tom > Tom, you can tell the corruption of the state by the proliferation of it's laws. I am quitesure that you have done something illegal this year yourself. It is impossible to avoid it. The state maintains discretionary athority to prosecute whenever it feels you need to be kept in line. The South was right, BTW. Marc Andelman Article 8301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:01:25 -0600 From: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Subject: Honey-bound hive? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <864150885.25103@dejanews.com> Reply-To: kejones@ptdcs2.intel.com Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 20 17:54:47 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 134.134.248.16 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (X11; I; AIX 2) X-Authenticated-Sender: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8301 I'm a bit concerned about my hive... To describe it, it currently has two deep hive bodies being used as brood chamber. These frames are almost completely filled, either with brood, with honey, or partially filled cells of pollen. Above the deeps are two western supers, the lowest one with just foundation, and above that another western which the bees have mostly drawn and partially/mostly filled with honey. I'm a bit concerned about the deeps...Is this hive in danger of swarming (or other problems) due to the brood chambers being so full? Will the workers move honey/nectar from the deeps up into the supers to make more room for brood? Will the queen move into the supers looking for empty cells? Should I consider removing some of the pollen/honey frames in the deeps, and replace them with frames of foundation, which the workers can draw for more rood space? (I don't have any extra drawn foundation at the time.) Should I split the hive, or pull off a nuc? Any other solutions, or am I worrying for nothing? Thanks for any advice, Kelly -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey-bound hive? Date: 21 May 1997 03:59:46 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 56 Message-ID: <01bc659b$67a787a0$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <864150885.25103@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 10:59:46 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8307 k-jones@ee.utah.edu wrote in article <864150885.25103@dejanews.com>... > I'm a bit concerned about my hive... To describe it, it currently has two > deep hive bodies being used as brood chamber. These frames are almost > completely filled, either with brood, with honey, or partially filled > cells of pollen. Above the deeps are two western supers, the lowest one > with just foundation, and above that another western which the bees have > mostly drawn and partially/mostly filled with honey. I take it that the top super was partly drawn then moved up. > I'm a bit concerned about the deeps...Is this hive in danger of swarming > (or other problems) due to the brood chambers being so full? Don't know for certain where you live but your e-mail address would make me suspect Utah as a possibility. If you live in a Northern clime we are right in the heart of swarm season (May & June) so swarming is a possibility with prosperous colonies. > Will the > workers move honey/nectar from the deeps up into the supers to make more > room for brood? Some bees will - others won't to any great extent. >Will the queen move into the supers looking for empty > cells? If you have no queen excluder over those deeps and the workers are plugging out the broodnest with honey and pollen then she will move up and lay in the supers just as they draw the foundation. Additionally if they happen to draw drone cells up high in the stack you can about bet the queen will go up and lay eggs in them. > Should I consider removing some of the pollen/honey frames in the deeps, > and replace them with frames of foundation, which the workers can draw for > more rood space? (I don't have any extra drawn foundation at the time.) > Should I split the hive, or pull off a nuc? If you want honey you need STRONG hives. If you are getting close to your main or target flow then a split now would not be advantageous to getting a large honey crop though it could avert swarming. Do you see any evidence of swarm prep? -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-ge.switch.ch!in2p3.fr!oleane!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee hive sound midi file wanted Message-ID: <864158452@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:00:52 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Beenet the computer network for beekeepers Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8312 I was looking for bee sounds (midi files) can anybody help? email: st@amigabee.org.uk Regards Steve Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 8320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee hive sound midi file wanted Date: 22 May 1997 02:39:16 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bc6659$56589660$378cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <864158452@amigabee.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-23.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 21 7:39:16 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8320 Steven Turner wrote in article <864158452@amigabee.org.uk>... > I was looking for bee sounds (midi files) can anybody help? Seems like there are bee sounds in midi files on the Swedish Beekeeping link found on my links page - P-O's HomePage I think is the name of it. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!165.113.1.76!nntp3.crl.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!supernews.com!news From: jeffs@basec.net (Jeff Schlenker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee hive sound midi file wanted Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 04:24:15 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3383c9be.4686563@news.sodak.net> References: <864158452@amigabee.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watertown_pm1_03.basec.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8323 steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) wrote: >I was looking for bee sounds (midi files) can anybody help? > >email: st@amigabee.org.uk Is it possible to get bee sounds in a midi composition? I don't know. However if you want a .wav sound file, I have a sound effects CD that has a pretty good 22-second clip of a bee swarm. If anyone wants it, I'd be happy to record it. ==================================================== Jeff Schlenker jeffs@basec.net Hazel, South Dakota http://www.basec.net/~jeffs WarBirds -- blzr <501 FF> ICQ UIN -- 175699 ==================================================== Article 8302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.nether.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.voyager.net!news From: "Anne J. Hacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queenless Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:56:32 -0700 Organization: Voyager Information Networks, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <33824840.6761@voyager.net> Reply-To: ajhacker@voyager.net NNTP-Posting-Host: clmx55.dial.voyager.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8302 After a disasterous 1996, I am back into beekeeping this year with 5 completely new hives. I installed 5 new 3 pound packages with queens on 4/19/97. Have been feeding and checking regularly, but not too regularly so as to disturb the bees. Three of the hives are doing very well, but alas, two queens are either dead or laying all drones as those are the only cells I find. I ordered two new queens, but have read many different ways of introducing them. I know I need to check to find the old queen, butwould appreciate input and/or advice on introducing the new queen due to arrive tomorrow or the next day to the hive. post here or email privately Anne J. Hacker ajhacker@voyager.net Article 8313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.3.12.173!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queenless Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:36:11 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 38 Message-ID: <33826D6D.4CD8@starpoint.net> References: <33824840.6761@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.232 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8313 Anne J. Hacker wrote: > > After a disasterous 1996, I am back into beekeeping this year with 5 > completely new hives. I installed 5 new 3 pound packages with queens on > 4/19/97. Have been feeding and checking regularly, but not too regularly > so as to disturb the bees. > Three of the hives are doing very well, but alas, two queens are either > dead or laying all drones as those are the only cells I find. > > I ordered two new queens, but have read many different ways of > introducing them. I know I need to check to find the old queen, butwould > appreciate input and/or advice on introducing the new queen due to > arrive tomorrow or the next day to the hive. > > post here or email privately > > Anne J. Hacker > ajhacker@voyager.net Hello Anne One way I was shown on re-queening a gueenless colony was to take twwo frames of good brood from another hive during the day when the field bees are out in the hive with nurse bees attached. Make sure the queen is not on the frames from the hive. Take the new queen still int her cage and place between the two frame, wrap the frames with bees and queen cage with newspaper and insert in the center of the queenless hive. It will take some time for the bees to chew through the paper, and by that time they will get aqainted. It doesnt hurt to put a few slits in the paper to help the bees get started. If you know you have all young nurse bees you can skip the newspaper part, but the newspaper is a sure way it will work. I helped a commercial operation do this at least 6 times this spring, and we split over 150 other hives. He said this hardly ever fails. I would be interested what other have to say about this. Elroy Article 8306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queenless Date: 21 May 1997 03:50:15 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 50 Message-ID: <01bc659a$09e060c0$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33824840.6761@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 10:50:15 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8306 Anne J. Hacker wrote in article <33824840.6761@voyager.net>... > After a disasterous 1996, I am back into beekeeping this year with 5 > completely new hives. I installed 5 new 3 pound packages with queens on > 4/19/97. Have been feeding and checking regularly, but not too regularly > so as to disturb the bees. > Three of the hives are doing very well, but alas, two queens are either > dead or laying all drones as those are the only cells I find. > > I ordered two new queens, but have read many different ways of > introducing them. I know I need to check to find the old queen, butwould > appreciate input and/or advice on introducing the new queen due to > arrive tomorrow or the next day to the hive. Howdy Anne, You are talking a month since package installation. You don't mention if you saw worker brood initially or not. If you did not then you have a bigger problem as the hive has been in decline for a month with no up and coming replacements. If the queens are drones layers kill them and install the new queen by any protected slow release method you wish. Most common one being to pull the cork (if a cage with a cork over candy plug) and insert the cage between frames of brood so the bees will tend her and become used to her unique pheremone mix as they chew out the plug and finally release her. I assume the colonies had queens at first or they would not likely have stayed in the boxes you placed them in (unless you gave them brood but it sounds as though that was not an option you had). Thus it is possible that the colonies are in the midst of supersedure. If that is the case you will have a harder job getting your new queens accepted. You could have a virgin running about the hive even now and they are harder to find than a laying queen. Test the response of the bees to the screen on the queen cage. If they bite it then they may have a queen. If they just want to tend the queen then you are likely alright. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail From: beeguy@rocketmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Gonna Swarm? Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:04:06 -0700 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3383D3C6.5BA3@rocketmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8321 I have three new hives that I started from 3 lb boxes this year. I was feeding them tonight - around dusk, and saw that all three hives had clumps of bees "oozing" slightly out the front door. The two brood chambers are almost completely drawn with comb and are cram-packed with bees. They have not touched a honey super that has been in place for at least two weeks. I haven't found any queen cells...yet...but it's always possible I missed them. They definately were not on the bases of the frames. Since all three hives looked identical, I am wondering if I was just seeing dusk behavior from thriving hives or swarm preparation. Any ideas?? Article 8322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail From: beeguy@rocketmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Gonna Swarm? Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:10:32 -0700 Organization: Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3383D548.7B3A@rocketmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8322 I have three new hives that I started from 3 lb boxes this year. I was feeding them tonight - around dusk, and saw that all three hives had clumps of bees "oozing" slightly out the front door. The two brood chambers are almost completely drawn with comb and are cram-packed with bees. They have not touched a honey super that has been in place for at least two weeks. I haven't found any queen cells...yet...but it's always possible I missed them. They definately were not on the bases of the frames. Since all three hives looked identical, I am wondering if I was just seeing dusk behavior from thriving hives or swarm preparation. Any ideas?? Jim Article 8280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Info Please! Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:11:18 GMT Organization: none Lines: 27 Message-ID: <337d34a4.579102@snews2.zippo.com> References: <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8280 On Wed, 14 May 1997 22:36:06 -0400, "username" wrote: >debbis@naxs.com > >This will be the third time out, I am seeking some simple information and I >need articles to back it up. >!. Do bees hear and if so how? >2. Will beating on pots,pans or ringing of bells bring down (Settle) a >swarm? >I'd appreciate your responses. > >Thanks, >Debbi Spencer of course they hear. Otherwise they would not need to make so many differnt sounds which are listed in most good bee books. Dont know where the ears are! Old farmers tale! Most nearby swarms settle verry quickly so you could make any sound and say it was the sound that setteled the swarm. But it seems to me that they definitly can hear when i am hammering hive parts and come to check out the spefic sound as they may be passing. So when the swarm is just leaving the hive ive many many times tried differnt loud sounds to see if they will settle quicker(lower in the trees) and its my opinion that it make no difference weather you make a racket or not. Except maby thunder which i havent yet set the proper stero up to try it. Total hogwash and when you find the grain of truth to it let us all know. hmmmmm wonder how the neighbors would like the sound of a black powder shotgun every time i get a hive swarming : ) tim Article 8281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:55:53 GMT Organization: none Lines: 25 Message-ID: <337ba613.33231083@snews2.zippo.com> References: <19970511194100.PAA28938@ladder02.news.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8281 On 11 May 1997 15:41:06 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > I have a half dozen good bee books and from my reading this escapes me- > >Just what does happen if you put honey supers on early? >If I am reversing my brood chambers on a regular basis then not much brood >will end up in the honey supers so barring that what gives? > > Today I set out a swarm trap with a comb of honey in it and some lures >(the ones that smell like lemon balm) >If the bees rob the honey comb then they will at least know the swarm trap >is there. If there is enough bees they will keep them clean for you and ready for any nectur. If the strain of bee is such that they like to propolize to excess.......gooy gobs of sticky stickem which you can put in your best friends jacket pocket when its 95 degrees . You need to place them before needed. Unless you have foundation below or in the supers in which case the foundation may not get drawn or may be torn down by the bees. If its too hot and there just arent enough bees to cool the whole hive, there may be dammage to the combs. Assuming you are aware of where the queen is often, the colony is healthy, swarming is controlled, there is no chance of overheating the combs in the event you loose most of the bees for whatever reason, wax moth no problem for those supers.....stack em as high as you want as early as you want. Article 8278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 04:09:20 GMT Organization: none Lines: 22 Message-ID: <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com> References: <337981D5.795CCDA8@midtown.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8278 On Wed, 14 May 1997 09:11:49 +0000, Sheri Kimbro wrote: >I've got a little ant problem. Well,,ok not me personally, but my bees >do. They seem to bee only interested in the sugar water. any harm? > Depending on the ants aggressiveness and bees self protection , it may not be a problem. A bit of horticultural oil under the hive and about the base will repell many ants for a while. Motor oil works but not recommended for where the bees can get into it. Usually the bees keep the ants away but some colonies can become over stressed and a bit mean. Sometimes those little black(piss ants?)(stink when crushed) make a nest below the hive and just when i go to examine it and disturb the ant colony thousands of ants swarm up all sides of the hive which causes some alarm in the colony especially if it is already broken down to its base. Happens mostly when i allow the hive bottom to be very close to the ground. Assuming it is a swarm or package ,at the point that the numbers decline just before the brood emerges the colony may be susceptable to attack or just plain harrassemnt. Ant colonies are one reason i got rid of the metal covered wood tops as these little black ants just love the heat generated in these in late spring. The larger red ants are only a problem when their mounds get verry large and it seems there arent many large mounds about. tim Article 8283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!news.bu.edu!ppp-84-3.bu.edu!user From: iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 11:59:54 -0500 Organization: ira_seskin@bmugbos.org Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <337981D5.795CCDA8@midtown.net> <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-84-3.bu.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8283 In article <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com>, tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 1997 09:11:49 +0000, Sheri Kimbro wrote: > > >I've got a little ant problem. Well,,ok not me personally, but my bees > >do. They seem to bee only interested in the sugar water. any harm? Another thought. My Bee " guru" uses " 3M Super 77 Adhesive Spray" around the sides and back of the bottom hive body, and bottom board. I have also tried this, and it works great. Ants and any other unwanteds coming up from the surronding ground stick to it. Bees however can pull themselves of, if they stray to the sprayed areas Which is very rare). Just a real narrow, light spray band is all that is needed, and so far this season, I have not had to reapply the stuff. -I- -- /| __ / | ,-~ / Y :| // / | jj /( .^ >-"~"-v" /^ ^ Y /o o | ( ~T~ j >._-' _./ I'm / "~" | Having A Bad Y _, | HARE /| ;-"~ _ l Day / l/ ,-"~ \ \//\/ .- \ Y / Y > ) l I ! > ]\ _\ /"\ (" ~----( ~ Y. ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ->Bugs the Wonder Bunny<- ira_seskin@bmugbos.org (e- mail only... no attachments) iraseski@xensei.com (e-mail when sending attachements) http://www.xensei.com/users/iraseski "Live Free or Die" Article 8311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:34:05 GMT Organization: none Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3381ddba.1626396@snews2.zippo.com> References: <337981D5.795CCDA8@midtown.net> <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8311 On Sun, 18 May 1997 11:59:54 -0500, iraseski@xensei.com (Ira Seskin) wrote: >In article <337bdd65.47393147@snews2.zippo.com>, tim@magick.net (Tim >Brown) wrote: > >> On Wed, 14 May 1997 09:11:49 +0000, Sheri Kimbro wrote: >> >> >I've got a little ant problem. Well,,ok not me personally, but my bees >> >do. They seem to bee only interested in the sugar water. any harm? >Another thought. My Bee " guru" uses " 3M Super 77 Adhesive Spray" around >the sides and back of the bottom hive body, and bottom board. I have also >tried this, and it works great. Ants and any other unwanteds coming up >from the surronding ground stick to it. Bees however can pull themselves >of, if they stray to the sprayed areas Which is very rare). Just a real >narrow, light spray band is all that is needed, and so far this season, I >have not had to reapply the stuff. > ira_seskin@bmugbos.org (e- mail only... no attachments) > iraseski@xensei.com (e-mail when sending attachements) This may compair to tanglefoot which is a vaseline like product that doesnt dry out and is sticky.(garden suply stores) If it remains clean it will provide a barrier to ants and other insects for couple of years and may be cheaper. That said i dont recomend putting sticky gunk on good bee equipment. Even putting it on the leggs of hive stands(works good) has its negative aspect when you get some brushed on to your suit and then the truck and house carpet. tim Article 8286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!arachnid.Gsu.EDU!panther.Gsu.EDU!biojdsx From: James D Satterfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginning Hobby Beekeepers Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:46:19 -0400 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.gsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8286 I've seen several posts about getting started. If you wish to consider beginning with a top bar hive as a cheaper alternative style of beekeeping, go to the url: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm for information and plans. --------------------------------------- Jim Satterfield email: jsatt@gsu.edu --------------------------------------- Article 8282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hookup!scramble.lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!goldenapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-2020.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JG in NY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apis cerrana - no varoa! (was: Moving hives around) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 06:48:39 -0400 Organization: Thieving Magpie Lines: 43 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> <9705170722141795@beenet.com> <327EAA8F.186@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-2020.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8282 Apis cerana can be and is kept like A. mellifera, only in smaller hives. There are different subspecies. One in particular has larger colonies (as I recall) and is more of a honey-producer. The species is smaller than mellifera, and the honey yields are considerably less. There is also a problem of absconding when colonies are disturbed, but perhaps this has been worked out in management research over the years. Cerana has v. mites in the hive but can "deal" with them, so the colony is not destroyed. Not sure, but I think they have grooming behavior which keeps the mites at bay. There has recently been published a new book on the biology/mgmt of A. cerana. Maybe someone on the list could give you the particulars. I would like to know if cerana has been tried in North America at some point before... This is a very interesting topic, and I also would appreciate further comments and info. Cheers, J. Govostes Freeville, NY In article , paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) wrote: > In article <327EAA8F.186@itl.net>, Morley wrote: > > > Thank you for the rest of your info and comments, which I've printed off > > to give to our Society. > > Dr Martin also commented on the Apis cerana which he'd travelled to > > Japan to look at, commenting on the differences between them and A. > > mellifera and saying that A.cerana is not at all troubled by Varroa for > > reasons as yet undetected. > > What sor tof a honey producer is a.cerrana and can it be kept like A.mellifera? > > Paul Article 8297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apis cerrana - no varoa! (was: Moving hives around) Date: 20 May 1997 03:32:37 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 37 Message-ID: <01bc64ce$71d5aa40$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <32724568.6BED@itl.net> <9705170722141795@beenet.com> <327EAA8F.186@itl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 10:32:37 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8297 JG in NY wrote in article ... > Apis cerana can be and is kept like A. mellifera, only in smaller hives. > Cerana has v. mites in the hive but can "deal" with them, so the colony is > not destroyed. Not sure, but I think they have grooming behavior which > keeps the mites at bay. They do exhibit grooming behavior. Apis cerana has a shorter brood development time as well. There drones emerge on average 21 days from egg laid (same as Apis mellifera worker average is claimed to be by many - though it actually varies with a tendency toward lower times). Cerana workers develop on average in 18 days (mellifera has been bred to do that too in some severe inbreeding experiments but to my knowledge no such strains currently exist). Cerana drone cappings are also unique and may contribute to the control. Cerana is in a generally tropical area. Even on mellifera the Vmites are less fecund and have higher rates of infertility in tropical climates. There may be other things I am not recalling this instant as well. > I would like to know if cerana has been tried in North America at some > point before... Good question but I doubt it. Mellifera is substantially better at honey production (which is why it got moved into cerana areas in the first place and why we now have Vmites nearly worldwide (save for the continent of Australia plus Hawaii and some other islands). So it would seem unlikely ceranna has seen much experimental use due to the fact beekeepers in the past were usually looking for bigger yeilds when they imported new bee stock. Article 8284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!max1-to-ca-06.earthlink.net!user From: paul@eisusa.com (Paul Nicholson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: where do I start? Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 09:36:28 -0700 Organization: Electronic Imaging Systems, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <01bc6295$adc8d300$18810ccf@default> <01bc62c0$b6b21be0$508cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-to-ca-06.earthlink.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8284 Mark, > I am interested in starting a "hobby hive" since I haven't seen one bee > in > > the garden this year. Where do I start, probably should read a book or > two. Mark, Where do you live? Jack's in Michigan and while it may be a bit late to start a hive there, here in Southern California we can start hives any time of the year. Order your bee's and plan on feeding them to build the colony quickly. And don't forget your public library as a resource for beekeeping information. I found more than enough info there three years ago when I started my hive. Paul Article 8285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Seán Corcoran" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees to Sections, Help. Date: 18 May 1997 20:22:01 GMT Organization: Indigo Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bc63c5$8a04aa80$LocalHost@iol.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts01-15.cork.indigo.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8285 Hello there. A friend of mine tells me that he has difficulty getting his bees to go up to work on sections He cannot find reason why. Have you any ideas, suggestions, advice for him?. I am a newcomer to Beekeeping having bought my first Bees yesterday. Thanks, Sean. Article 8288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "James Campbell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raccoons? and bees Date: 19 May 1997 02:44:50 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bc63fe$e65f9cc0$c5f692cf@default> References: <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.146.246.197 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8288 Bruce A. Vance wrote in article <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu>... > Has anyone else had any trouble with raccoons around their hives? At > least I think it is a raccoon which is nightly turning over the sugar > syrup feeder. I'm afraid it will eventually get into the hive and > destroy everything. Thinking it was a skunk, I put up a two foot fence > last night, but this morning I saw where the critter had climbed over > the fence. Today I put up a 4 foot fence. But I'm afraid that it will > simply climb over this as well. The raccoon, after all, is in the bear > family. I've never had trouble with racoons and bees however they do like sweetcorn. The best thing that I have found for keeping out racoons is an electric fence placed about 6-10 inches off of the ground with small posts that cannot be climbed. Hope this helps! Article 8295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raccoons? and bees Date: 20 May 1997 02:54:58 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 41 Message-ID: <01bc64c9$2fe6f300$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu> <01bc63fe$e65f9cc0$c5f692cf@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 9:54:58 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8295 James Campbell wrote in article <01bc63fe$e65f9cc0$c5f692cf@default>... > > > Bruce A. Vance wrote in article > <3372469C.11F5@homer.louisville.edu>... > > Has anyone else had any trouble with raccoons around their hives? At > > least I think it is a raccoon which is nightly turning over the sugar > > syrup feeder. I'm afraid it will eventually get into the hive and > > destroy everything. Thinking it was a skunk, I put up a two foot fence > > last night, but this morning I saw where the critter had climbed over > > the fence. Today I put up a 4 foot fence. But I'm afraid that it will > > simply climb over this as well. The raccoon, after all, is in the bear > > family. >The best thing that I have found for keeping out racoons is an > electric fence placed about 6-10 inches off of the ground with small posts > that cannot be climbed. Dr. Roger Hoopingarner says he suspects raccoons to be the culprit in removing the lids and top supers from several colonies at the MSU apiary this winter. Other beekeepers have reported that racoons take any outside syrup feeders off and empty them. Whether the coons were actually caught in the act or the beekeepers just think it is coons I have no idea but racoons are clever rascals so I would not put it past them. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news1.bellglobal.com!thunder.mgl.ca!usenet From: John Summerfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! Queenless hive Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 23:58:33 -0400 Organization: MGL Systems Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <337FCFE9.2555@mgl.ca> Reply-To: johnsumm@mgl.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: hurricane8.mgl.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8289 Hi, I'd appreciate any info on this one... After starting with a 6 frame nuc last spring and prospering tremendously in terms of hive strength, I got over-enthusiastic and decided to split the hive. I opted for the method of removing 3 frames of brood in various stages of growth, eggs through to emerging and one frame of honey. I installed these into a brood super with 6 other frames of drawn out comb. My intention was to introduce a ready-to-go queen from a local breeder/supply house. No dice, no queens available till maybe next week. I rechecked the brood when I found this out and found eggs less than 3 days old. In my book "The hive and the honey bee" - Graham/Dadant, they say that the workers/nurses will make emergency queens by drawing out queen cells on newly hatched larvae. Is this the case? If I inspect the frames next week and find no emergency queen cells, can I still install a breeder-bought queen or will a worker have started laying drones alread? And if a worker starts laying drones, I hear they will kill any introduced queen when they emerge. Then what? Is the hive lost? Thanks for any help here! John Summerfield johnsumm@mgl.ca Article 8294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Queenless hive Date: 20 May 1997 02:49:45 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 56 Message-ID: <01bc64c8$74f855c0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <337FCFE9.2555@mgl.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 9:49:45 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8294 John Summerfield wrote in article <337FCFE9.2555@mgl.ca>... > Hi, I'd appreciate any info on this one... > > After starting with a 6 frame nuc last spring and prospering > tremendously in terms of hive strength, I got over-enthusiastic and > decided to split the hive. I opted for the method of removing 3 frames > of brood in various stages of growth, eggs through to emerging and one > frame of honey. I installed these into a brood super with 6 other > frames of drawn out comb. Sounds good so far. Assuming you did not lose a lot of bees out of the nuc after the split was made. > My intention was to introduce a ready-to-go queen from a local > breeder/supply house. No dice, no queens available till maybe next > week. I rechecked the brood when I found this out and found eggs less > than 3 days old. In my book "The hive and the honey bee" - > Graham/Dadant, they say that the workers/nurses will make emergency > queens by drawing out queen cells on newly hatched larvae. > Is this the case? YES - how dandy a job they do will depend mostly on if they have sufficient young bees plus sufficient pollen plus sufficient open unripened honey. >If I inspect the frames next week and find no > emergency queen cells, can I still install a breeder-bought queen or > will a worker have started laying drones alread? If you install a queen then you had best shake the bees from every queen and give them a very thorough look-see for queen cells. Once the bees commit to raising their own queen it is often harder to get them to accept a queen you give them - not impossible but harder. > And if a worker starts > laying drones, I hear they will kill any introduced queen when they > emerge. Then what? Is the hive lost? Usually takes nearer to 2 weeks for any serious amount of laying workers to be present. Laying workers are indeed less likely to accept a queen and are usually best united with a existing queenright colony. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Catalog on bee supplies From: hans.cowan@nashville.com (Hans Cowan) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.planetc.com!nashville.com Message-ID: <00000F0700001213@nashville.com> Date: 19 May 97 16:15:03 Organization: The Nashville Exchange-http://WWW.NASHVILLE.COM Lines: 2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8291 Walter Kelley Bee Supplies in Clarkson Ky 502-242-2012 Article 8292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: handls@aol.com (Handls) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seed Catalogs Date: 19 May 1997 21:35:04 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <19970520013501.VAA22359@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8292 can anyone tell me which seed catalogs have flowers that honeybees like? Elyse Article 8290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:51:22 -0600 From: aspighi@island.net Subject: multiple eggs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <863999624.18021@dejanews.com> Reply-To: aspighi@island.net Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun May 18 23:53:44 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 204.239.41.210 (dyn10.qcc.island.net) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0Gold (Win95; U) X-Authenticated-Sender: aspighi@island.net Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8290 Due to a extremely high mortality rate over the winter I find myself with a handful of bees and a 2 year old queen that has just started laying her eggs several to a cell. Is this a sign of senility or is this due to there being to few workers to care for the larvea if they are spread over a larger area? Will this stunt the development of the larvea? I would like to raise my own Queen in order not to contaminate the Queen Charlottes with the dreaded mites. Is this imposible? Or should I start from scratch and buy a new Queen and a few pound of bees. Someone please advise me. thank you Adriana -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multiple eggs Date: 20 May 1997 02:41:59 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 59 Message-ID: <01bc64c7$5ea878a0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <863999624.18021@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 9:41:59 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8293 aspighi@island.net wrote in article <863999624.18021@dejanews.com>... > Due to a extremely high mortality rate over the winter I find myself with > a handful of bees and a 2 year old queen that has just started laying her > eggs several to a cell. Is this a sign of senility or is this due to > there being to few workers to care for the larvea if they are spread over > a larger area? Will this stunt the development of the larvea? I would > like to raise my own Queen in order not to contaminate the Queen > Charlottes with the dreaded mites. Is this imposible? Or should I start > from scratch and buy a new Queen and a few pound of bees. > Someone please advise me. thank you Adriana > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet > Howdy Adriana, If you have but a handful of bees now (19 May) in the North the odds against that colony building up even enough to make stores for the winter are incredibly poor. By now the colony needs to be getting into serious brood nest expansion and even well into swarm prep if management has not included swarm control. One of our HIP Cooperators just reported catching a swarm today in a colony he had admittingly not kept ahead of. If the particular queen is for some reason dear to you (not sure why she would be if her colony has dwindled away to nothing) then the way to save the colony is by getting them a couple pounds of bees. You can buy queenless booster packages. Or you can for very little more buy yourself a queenright package and try again. You don't say where you live but there are increasingly few places that do not have both mites already. While it may sound strange we were in one sense actually relieved when we finally got the Vmites (Tmites had been around MI a few years by then) because then all the worry about what would happen was over and now we just had a real problem to work at instead. So if your area truly does not have mites of course do all you can to stall off getting them but if you live where mites are found I would not worry on getting them (you will anyways) but rather learn how to effectively control them in such a way that your bees survive. Some tips to that end may be found under "Treatment Timing Tips" on my web site. Queens with too few bees will sometimes lay multiple eggs in cells. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 20 May 1997 03:14:15 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 59 Message-ID: <01bc64cb$e17f8260$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <9705170722141796@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon May 19 10:14:15 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8296 > **FYI** Something to think about, "What happened to all those mites?" > bartlett wrote: > > > > Had the Maryland state bee inspector here today. (southern maryland) > > We inspected bees at several locations. We did ether rolls on some and > > drone brood check on others and both on some. Apistan strips had been > > used on all of my hives early this spring. NO VARROA MITES!!!! > > In Michigan, unfortunately, there is no longer any funding to support > state bee inspections, so it's everyone for oneself now. However, in > going through all my yards in seven different locations, I have yet to > see a varroa mite this spring!! I basically pull out drone brood (the > easiest ones to get to are those exposed between brood chambers), and > in looking over hundreds of them I didn't see a mite. Every spring > for some years now there have always been mites, usually at least one > per cell and often many more. I haven't seen much on the list about > currnet mite populations until this post. What are others seeing this > year? > > Ted Fischer > Dexter, Michigan USA Howdy Ted - I can assure you we still have Varroa alive and well in MI though the population was indeed substantially reduced by the 80-90% statewide colony loss experienced in 95-96. In some areas of the state where we have HIP untreated test yards the mite challenge was so low that the untreated test yards had very nearly the same survival rate as did the treated colonies in the remainder of the Cooperators operations. This Spring colonies looked real good - swarming has been reported quite early in some places too. This means we will have bees in the trees that will eventually succumb to the mites and then donate LOTS of mites back to nearby colonies at inopportune times. Remember that we have a HUGE amount of migratory beekeeping both within the state for pollination and between MI and several Southern states - primarily FL, GA, and SC in that order. Additionally it is very likely we will see some western based beekeepers (locked out of their old stomping grounds due to having set their bees down in AHB areas) bringing bees into unregulated for bees MI this year for pollination (maybe some are already here actually). So it is safe to assume that we will get a healthy dose of new mites as well - and a more genetically diverse mite population as well. Plus we may get a taste of AHB as well (thinking how VERY glad I am we use AI). -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:03:17 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <3381aec1.2429442@news.wn.com.au> References: <9705170722141796@beenet.com> <01bc64cb$e17f8260$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 26 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8299 having set their bees down in AHB areas) bringing bees into >unregulated for bees MI this year for pollination (maybe some are already >here actually). So it is safe to assume that we will get a healthy dose of >new mites as well - and a more genetically diverse mite population as well. > Plus we may get a taste of AHB as well (thinking how VERY glad I am we use >AI). Hello Jack, What is AHB? >-- >Jack Griffes >Country Jack's Honeybee Farm >Honeybee Improvement Program >Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes >Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 >USA >Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ >Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the >following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. >e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com > > > > Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia Telephone (61) (08) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 21 May 1997 03:35:55 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 35 Message-ID: <01bc6598$12330860$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <9705170722141796@beenet.com> <01bc64cb$e17f8260$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <3381aec1.2429442@news.wn.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 10:35:55 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8305 Ken Morris wrote in article <3381aec1.2429442@news.wn.com.au>... > Hello Jack, > > What is AHB? > Regards, > Ken Morris > Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia > Telephone (61) (08) 9926 1087 > http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm > Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software > Howdy Ken, AHB = Africanized Honey Bee = Apis mellifera scuttelata I like your site Ken and hope you get lots of visitors. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-dc-26.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!newsserver.qms.com!news From: todd@rd.qms.com (Todd Brian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 21 May 1997 12:19:19 GMT Organization: QMS,Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5lup88$q6l@newsserver.qms.com> References: <01bc6598$12330860$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: todd@rd.qms.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.33.128.92 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8314 Jack, I live down here in Mobile AL. It is my understanding that we should not see the evil AHB for quite a few years. Do you know any differently? Do you really, expect to see them in your area this year? Thanks, Todd BTW I am a first year beekeeper having a blast and thinking I am having a bumper crop. Got three shallow supers full. Started from 5 frame nuc and all foundation. In article 518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com, "Jack Griffes" writes: > > AHB = Africanized Honey Bee = Apis mellifera scuttelata > Article 8317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 21 May 1997 20:25:29 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 45 Message-ID: <01bc6625$190ae9e0$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc6598$12330860$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <5lup88$q6l@newsserver.qms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 21 3:25:29 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8317 Todd Brian wrote in article <5lup88$q6l@newsserver.qms.com>... > Jack, > I live down here in Mobile AL. It is my understanding that we should not see the evil > AHB for quite a few years. Do you know any differently? You are likely talking about natural movement and thus are likely correct. The chance of them getting moved into MI is related to migratory pollination however - not natural colony movement. >Do you really, expect to > see them in your area this year? In my area of SE MI - NO (just North of Toledo/Sylvania, OH area) In the state of MI however it is within the realm of possibility that we MAY have AHB via means of migratory operations moving in to do pollination that have set down in AHB areas. This is but a chance - it remains VERY likely that the bulk of the colonies in said operations have pure EHB (European Honey Bee) queens. There is a possibility (enough of one that their home states will not permit them to bring bees back in) that some of the colonies have AHB queens. It is unlikely that AHB would survive here overwinter but it could happen - it is even less likely that any feral AHB colonies which might be established via swarming would survive the mites plus winters (the deadly duo) - thus I am not presently concerned about AHB actually becoming a permanent fixture. My concern is with maintaining mating control - which is why I said I was very glad we use AI. Hope that answers your questions, -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: 20 May 1997 07:31:52 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 30 Message-ID: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-39.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 2:31:52 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8298 We have a new beeyard that is severely tick-infested (around here almost every yard is at least mildly tick infested). Every visit brings home ticks. My son and I spent several hours there Saturday searching for AI queens and marking naturally mated queens and we both came home with ticks on us (but luckily not latched on yet). And then Sunday morning at a early church leadership meeting (drove there in my truck that had been to the infested yard) I had the great joy of feeling a tick crawling on my arm. I killed it as discreetly as possible, dropped it in my open briefcase - then as the meeting closed picked it up and dumped it in the trash. Then as I was walking down the hall I feel a second tick crawling across my collarbone - which I immediately dispatched and discarded. In other words we really need to do something about the ticks at that yard. Does anyone have experience or know of links to information on controlling ticks in a bee yard setting (where spraying would not likely be wise)? Thanks in advance, -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!199.171.21.6!news.eden.com!interval.net!arlut.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!tivoli.tivoli.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!sjnews.sanjose.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!heaven.pok.ibm.com!hempel From: hempel@heaven.pok.ibm.com (Bruce Hempel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: 20 May 1997 20:47:39 GMT Organization: IBM Corporation, Poughkeepsie, New York Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5lt2lb$ipp$1@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: hempel@vnet.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: heaven.pok.ibm.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8303 In article <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, "Jack Griffes" writes: |> We have a new beeyard that is severely tick-infested (around here almost |> every yard is at least mildly tick infested). Every visit brings home |> ticks. My son and I spent several hours there Saturday searching for AI |> queens and marking naturally mated queens and we both came home with ticks |> on us (but luckily not latched on yet). And then Sunday morning at a |> early church leadership meeting (drove there in my truck that had been to |> the infested yard) I had the great joy of feeling a tick crawling on my |> arm. I killed it as discreetly as possible, dropped it in my open |> briefcase - then as the meeting closed picked it up and dumped it in the |> trash. Then as I was walking down the hall I feel a second tick crawling |> across my collarbone - which I immediately dispatched and discarded. In |> other words we really need to do something about the ticks at that yard. |> |> Does anyone have experience or know of links to information on controlling |> ticks in a bee yard setting (where spraying would not likely be wise)? |> |> Thanks in advance, |> -- |> Jack Griffes |> Country Jack's Honeybee Farm |> Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 |> USA |> The way we control ticks on our property is by means of having several guinea hens. Works very well. In our case, we are concerned about deer ticks which carry Lyme disease. I believe guinea hens will eat any kind of bug, including other ticks as well. -- *---------------------------------------------------* Bruce Hempel | Sin ravages the soul like cancer does the body; | | fortunately, there is a cure available. | *---------------------------------------------------* Article 8304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: miel@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:46:51 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3382540B.912@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ala-ca11-02.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 6:51:30 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) CC: griffes@ix.netcom.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8304 Here's an idea, but needs to be checked out if the device differentially affects ticks versus bees: There is a high pitch frequency sound device that I frequently see advertised in Yankee magazine to keep rodents at bay. Humans can't hear it, but it sure is effective for rats and mice. You plug it in. Unfortunately, this month's issue isn't carrying the advertisement. I'd check with a pet store: they are sure to know what I'm referring to; however, how to find out if it would drive the bees out is another inquiry.... > Article 8315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: tceisele@mtu.edu (Timothy C. Eisele) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: 21 May 1997 08:24:48 -0400 Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5lupig$lf4@hornet.my> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <3382540B.912@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-User: tceisele@hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8315 miel@ix.netcom.com wrote: : Here's an idea, but needs to be checked out if the device differentially : affects ticks versus bees: There is a high pitch frequency sound device : that I frequently see advertised in Yankee magazine to keep rodents at : bay. Humans can't hear it, but it sure is effective for rats and mice. : You plug it in. Unfortunately, this month's issue isn't carrying the : advertisement. I'd check with a pet store: they are sure to know what : I'm referring to; however, how to find out if it would drive the bees out : is another inquiry.... : These devices were discussed about a year ago in, I believe, the entomology newsgroup. The upshot is that, in controlled trials, these ultrasonic pest repellers do not work. At all. Not even a little bit. For anything. I believe it was the FDA that conducted the testing, and came up negative on all counts. They are still being sold mainly because people want to believe that they work, and so convince themselves that they do (and also because they are *very* profitable to the sellers). If I can get the time, I'll try to hunt down the reference for the testing. Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 8316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!azure.xara.net!xara.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!cableol.net!newsfeed2.cableol.net!cableol.net!usenet From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: 21 May 1997 18:15:12 GMT Organization: Luichart Woollens Message-ID: <01bc6564$9a83dfc0$LocalHost@luichart.woollens> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p49-lorikeet-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8316 Hi Jack, Has the yard got vegetation? Grass? If so I would kill the grass and burn it. Perhaps even cutting it very short would help. -- Harry Scotland Knitwear Web site; http://freespace.virgin.net/luichart.woollens/ Jack Griffes wrote in article <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>... . > > Does anyone have experience or know of links to information on controlling > ticks in a bee yard setting (where spraying would not likely be wise)? > Article 8318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks & weeds in a beeyard?? Date: 21 May 1997 20:44:51 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 51 Message-ID: <01bc6627$cf6b3a80$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bc6564$9a83dfc0$LocalHost@luichart.woollens> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 21 3:44:52 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8318 Harry Goudie wrote in article <01bc6564$9a83dfc0$LocalHost@luichart.woollens>... > Hi Jack, > Has the yard got vegetation? Grass? If so I would kill the grass and burn > it. Perhaps even cutting it very short would help. > -- > Harry > Scotland Howdy Harry and the others who have posted helpful suggestions or e-mailed them, Michigan is a lush green state - yep there is grass/weeds in every yard and sometimes they get mighty tall - tick heaven you could say. We try to keep the level down in front of hives but it is unfortunately not a practical possibility to keep every yard mowed down short (which would require mowing them all about twice a week right now then once a week all through the Summer). I bet your suggestion would work though if we had the time to do it. We can't kill the vegetation on other folks land - especially when we try to place our bees on places that don't care for chemical use (a HUGE safety plus for the bees). And for the helpful folks that suggested running Guinea fowl in the yards - I had never thought of that one but we don't get there often enough to tend them anyway since the yards with the biggest tick problem are not the home yard (though that one is a slight problem as well and perhaps a good place to try the Guinea fowl idea if I first shoot the neighbors dog that killed all our chickens 2 or 3 years ago - which I don't think I will do since he is now getting old enough he may kick off on his own in a year or two). We have put used carpet (indoor/outdoor or that fake grass type) down in the home yard. We will very soon be starting a trial of Dewitt Sunbelt weed control fabric. We have most hives in groups of four hives each facing a different direction on 2 - 4"x4"x 8' ground contact treated posts. We plan to put a 6'x12' piece of Sunbelt under each hive stand to completely eliminate mowing/trimming around the hives. Sunbelt is ground stapled down and can take pretty heavy foot traffic - it has already lasted 12 years on windbreaks in the Denver, CO area so we think it will work here for long enough to make it worth while. It costs $.07 US/square foot. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps (Was Straw Hives) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:15:51 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3381A407.366D@ultranet.com> References: <19970507040900.AAA07749@ladder01.news.aol.com> <33735B5B.161C@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.dial-6.wor.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8300 Tom Perigrin wrote: > > In article <33735B5B.161C@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman > wrote: > > > > I keep illegal hives and do not recognize the authority > > of the state to tell me what to do with my bees . In > > other words, they should mid their own bees wax. Also, > > I do not see the benefit of requiring inspectable > > hives, other than makin some government bureaucrat's > > job easier. Why don't they go arrest some wild bees > > for nesting in a tree? > > *sigh* > > When the populace begins to think that they are above the law, and to brag > about it in open fora, then that country is in trouble. > > Marc > > You may have a good arguement about the reasonming behind these laws. > However, there are ways to deal with bad laws that preserve the rule of law > in this country. Write to your congress critter, organize a grass roots > movement, get out the vote, and CHANGE the law. I was just part of a > succesful movement to get an Ohio Law changed, so that rather than break > the law, we can now do what we want within the law (not pertaining to > beekeeping). > > You say that you "do not recognize the authority of the state". Do you > think burglars, theives, and murderers should use this arguement? You are > tilling the ground for them... you are giving credence to the concept that > if a person doesn't like the law, they should just refuse to recognize the > state's authority. In short, you are promoting lawlessness. > > I don't like all the laws. But I do not advocate criminality. > > Tom > Tom, you can tell the corruption of the state by the proliferation of it's laws. I am quitesure that you have done something illegal this year yourself. It is impossible to avoid it. The state maintains discretionary athority to prosecute whenever it feels you need to be kept in line. The South was right, BTW. Marc Andelman Article 8301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:01:25 -0600 From: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Subject: Honey-bound hive? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <864150885.25103@dejanews.com> Reply-To: kejones@ptdcs2.intel.com Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 20 17:54:47 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 134.134.248.16 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (X11; I; AIX 2) X-Authenticated-Sender: k-jones@ee.utah.edu Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8301 I'm a bit concerned about my hive... To describe it, it currently has two deep hive bodies being used as brood chamber. These frames are almost completely filled, either with brood, with honey, or partially filled cells of pollen. Above the deeps are two western supers, the lowest one with just foundation, and above that another western which the bees have mostly drawn and partially/mostly filled with honey. I'm a bit concerned about the deeps...Is this hive in danger of swarming (or other problems) due to the brood chambers being so full? Will the workers move honey/nectar from the deeps up into the supers to make more room for brood? Will the queen move into the supers looking for empty cells? Should I consider removing some of the pollen/honey frames in the deeps, and replace them with frames of foundation, which the workers can draw for more rood space? (I don't have any extra drawn foundation at the time.) Should I split the hive, or pull off a nuc? Any other solutions, or am I worrying for nothing? Thanks for any advice, Kelly -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Article 8307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey-bound hive? Date: 21 May 1997 03:59:46 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 56 Message-ID: <01bc659b$67a787a0$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <864150885.25103@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 10:59:46 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8307 k-jones@ee.utah.edu wrote in article <864150885.25103@dejanews.com>... > I'm a bit concerned about my hive... To describe it, it currently has two > deep hive bodies being used as brood chamber. These frames are almost > completely filled, either with brood, with honey, or partially filled > cells of pollen. Above the deeps are two western supers, the lowest one > with just foundation, and above that another western which the bees have > mostly drawn and partially/mostly filled with honey. I take it that the top super was partly drawn then moved up. > I'm a bit concerned about the deeps...Is this hive in danger of swarming > (or other problems) due to the brood chambers being so full? Don't know for certain where you live but your e-mail address would make me suspect Utah as a possibility. If you live in a Northern clime we are right in the heart of swarm season (May & June) so swarming is a possibility with prosperous colonies. > Will the > workers move honey/nectar from the deeps up into the supers to make more > room for brood? Some bees will - others won't to any great extent. >Will the queen move into the supers looking for empty > cells? If you have no queen excluder over those deeps and the workers are plugging out the broodnest with honey and pollen then she will move up and lay in the supers just as they draw the foundation. Additionally if they happen to draw drone cells up high in the stack you can about bet the queen will go up and lay eggs in them. > Should I consider removing some of the pollen/honey frames in the deeps, > and replace them with frames of foundation, which the workers can draw for > more rood space? (I don't have any extra drawn foundation at the time.) > Should I split the hive, or pull off a nuc? If you want honey you need STRONG hives. If you are getting close to your main or target flow then a split now would not be advantageous to getting a large honey crop though it could avert swarming. Do you see any evidence of swarm prep? -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-ge.switch.ch!in2p3.fr!oleane!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!laura.pcug.co.uk!amigabee!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee hive sound midi file wanted Message-ID: <864158452@amigabee.org.uk> Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:00:52 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Beenet the computer network for beekeepers Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8312 I was looking for bee sounds (midi files) can anybody help? email: st@amigabee.org.uk Regards Steve Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 8320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee hive sound midi file wanted Date: 22 May 1997 02:39:16 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bc6659$56589660$378cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <864158452@amigabee.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-23.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 21 7:39:16 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8320 Steven Turner wrote in article <864158452@amigabee.org.uk>... > I was looking for bee sounds (midi files) can anybody help? Seems like there are bee sounds in midi files on the Swedish Beekeeping link found on my links page - P-O's HomePage I think is the name of it. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!165.113.1.76!nntp3.crl.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!supernews.com!news From: jeffs@basec.net (Jeff Schlenker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee hive sound midi file wanted Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 04:24:15 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3383c9be.4686563@news.sodak.net> References: <864158452@amigabee.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watertown_pm1_03.basec.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8323 steven.turner@amigabee.org.uk (Steven Turner) wrote: >I was looking for bee sounds (midi files) can anybody help? > >email: st@amigabee.org.uk Is it possible to get bee sounds in a midi composition? I don't know. However if you want a .wav sound file, I have a sound effects CD that has a pretty good 22-second clip of a bee swarm. If anyone wants it, I'd be happy to record it. ==================================================== Jeff Schlenker jeffs@basec.net Hazel, South Dakota http://www.basec.net/~jeffs WarBirds -- blzr <501 FF> ICQ UIN -- 175699 ==================================================== Article 8302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.nether.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.voyager.net!news From: "Anne J. Hacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queenless Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:56:32 -0700 Organization: Voyager Information Networks, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <33824840.6761@voyager.net> Reply-To: ajhacker@voyager.net NNTP-Posting-Host: clmx55.dial.voyager.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8302 After a disasterous 1996, I am back into beekeeping this year with 5 completely new hives. I installed 5 new 3 pound packages with queens on 4/19/97. Have been feeding and checking regularly, but not too regularly so as to disturb the bees. Three of the hives are doing very well, but alas, two queens are either dead or laying all drones as those are the only cells I find. I ordered two new queens, but have read many different ways of introducing them. I know I need to check to find the old queen, butwould appreciate input and/or advice on introducing the new queen due to arrive tomorrow or the next day to the hive. post here or email privately Anne J. Hacker ajhacker@voyager.net Article 8313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.3.12.173!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queenless Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:36:11 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 38 Message-ID: <33826D6D.4CD8@starpoint.net> References: <33824840.6761@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.232 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8313 Anne J. Hacker wrote: > > After a disasterous 1996, I am back into beekeeping this year with 5 > completely new hives. I installed 5 new 3 pound packages with queens on > 4/19/97. Have been feeding and checking regularly, but not too regularly > so as to disturb the bees. > Three of the hives are doing very well, but alas, two queens are either > dead or laying all drones as those are the only cells I find. > > I ordered two new queens, but have read many different ways of > introducing them. I know I need to check to find the old queen, butwould > appreciate input and/or advice on introducing the new queen due to > arrive tomorrow or the next day to the hive. > > post here or email privately > > Anne J. Hacker > ajhacker@voyager.net Hello Anne One way I was shown on re-queening a gueenless colony was to take twwo frames of good brood from another hive during the day when the field bees are out in the hive with nurse bees attached. Make sure the queen is not on the frames from the hive. Take the new queen still int her cage and place between the two frame, wrap the frames with bees and queen cage with newspaper and insert in the center of the queenless hive. It will take some time for the bees to chew through the paper, and by that time they will get aqainted. It doesnt hurt to put a few slits in the paper to help the bees get started. If you know you have all young nurse bees you can skip the newspaper part, but the newspaper is a sure way it will work. I helped a commercial operation do this at least 6 times this spring, and we split over 150 other hives. He said this hardly ever fails. I would be interested what other have to say about this. Elroy Article 8306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queenless Date: 21 May 1997 03:50:15 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 50 Message-ID: <01bc659a$09e060c0$518cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <33824840.6761@voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 20 10:50:15 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8306 Anne J. Hacker wrote in article <33824840.6761@voyager.net>... > After a disasterous 1996, I am back into beekeeping this year with 5 > completely new hives. I installed 5 new 3 pound packages with queens on > 4/19/97. Have been feeding and checking regularly, but not too regularly > so as to disturb the bees. > Three of the hives are doing very well, but alas, two queens are either > dead or laying all drones as those are the only cells I find. > > I ordered two new queens, but have read many different ways of > introducing them. I know I need to check to find the old queen, butwould > appreciate input and/or advice on introducing the new queen due to > arrive tomorrow or the next day to the hive. Howdy Anne, You are talking a month since package installation. You don't mention if you saw worker brood initially or not. If you did not then you have a bigger problem as the hive has been in decline for a month with no up and coming replacements. If the queens are drones layers kill them and install the new queen by any protected slow release method you wish. Most common one being to pull the cork (if a cage with a cork over candy plug) and insert the cage between frames of brood so the bees will tend her and become used to her unique pheremone mix as they chew out the plug and finally release her. I assume the colonies had queens at first or they would not likely have stayed in the boxes you placed them in (unless you gave them brood but it sounds as though that was not an option you had). Thus it is possible that the colonies are in the midst of supersedure. If that is the case you will have a harder job getting your new queens accepted. You could have a virgin running about the hive even now and they are harder to find than a laying queen. Test the response of the bees to the screen on the queen cage. If they bite it then they may have a queen. If they just want to tend the queen then you are likely alright. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail From: beeguy@rocketmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Gonna Swarm? Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:04:06 -0700 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3383D3C6.5BA3@rocketmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8321 I have three new hives that I started from 3 lb boxes this year. I was feeding them tonight - around dusk, and saw that all three hives had clumps of bees "oozing" slightly out the front door. The two brood chambers are almost completely drawn with comb and are cram-packed with bees. They have not touched a honey super that has been in place for at least two weeks. I haven't found any queen cells...yet...but it's always possible I missed them. They definately were not on the bases of the frames. Since all three hives looked identical, I am wondering if I was just seeing dusk behavior from thriving hives or swarm preparation. Any ideas?? Article 8322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!supernews.com!news.randori.com!not-for-mail From: beeguy@rocketmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Gonna Swarm? Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:10:32 -0700 Organization: Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3383D548.7B3A@rocketmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47.humboldt1.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8322 I have three new hives that I started from 3 lb boxes this year. I was feeding them tonight - around dusk, and saw that all three hives had clumps of bees "oozing" slightly out the front door. The two brood chambers are almost completely drawn with comb and are cram-packed with bees. They have not touched a honey super that has been in place for at least two weeks. I haven't found any queen cells...yet...but it's always possible I missed them. They definately were not on the bases of the frames. Since all three hives looked identical, I am wondering if I was just seeing dusk behavior from thriving hives or swarm preparation. Any ideas?? Jim Article 8324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!posts.execpc.com!usenet From: "Steve Shapson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WANTED:Wisconsin Honey Date: 22 May 1997 14:26:52 GMT Organization: Steve Shapson Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bc66bc$3448c3c0$3545cfa9@Pforce10> NNTP-Posting-Host: melanie.mdm.mke.execpc.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8324 I am looking for Wisconsin honey, clover or a light honey for mead and beer making. Larger quantities. Please reply to: Steve Shapson at force10@execpc.com or call at my home at: 414 355 1400 Article 8325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsout1.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news-in.iadfw.net!excalibur.flash.net!rgeorgan From: rgeorgan@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (Robert W. 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We will soon be adding indicators to delineate those journals charging for access. EMPLOYMENT SECTION The Jobs and Positions Section contains hyperlinks to the best Scientific Employment Databases and Classifieds on the net. GRANTS and FUNDING SECTION The funding section contains links to the best funding and grant databases on the Internet, making it very easy for scientists to quickly find funding opportunities. The featured site of the section is ³The Community of Science,² a Johns Hopkins service designed to help scientists find and continue funding. Article 8326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Worker Bee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Info Please! Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:49:36 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <338521DF.6A22@earthlink.net> References: <01bc60d7$c62ffc80$6f7a1fce@default> Reply-To: dvisrael@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip218.rocky-mount.nc.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) To: username Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8326 username wrote: > > debbis@naxs.com > > This will be the third time out, I am seeking some simple information and I > need articles to back it up. > !. Do bees hear and if so how? > 2. Will beating on pots,pans or ringing of bells bring down (Settle) a > swarm? > I'd appreciate your responses. > > Thanks, > Debbi Spencer Yes, honeybees can hear and talk also. It is called "piping" or "quacking". More info can be found in "The Hive and the Honey Bee" on pages 337 and 347. Second printing 1993. Don, who had a quacking queen in my observation hive last week. Article 8327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!161.33.3.1!newsserver.qms.com!news From: todd@rd.qms.com (Todd Brian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee inspection Date: 23 May 1997 11:58:41 GMT Organization: QMS,Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5m40ph$bgg@newsserver.qms.com> References: <01bc6625$190ae9e0$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: todd@rd.qms.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.33.128.92 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8327 That's what I needed to know. Thanks Jack. Todd Article 8328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Gonna Swarm? Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:00:44 GMT Organization: none Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3385b371.12907241@snews2.zippo.com> References: <3383D548.7B3A@rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8328 On Wed, 21 May 1997 22:10:32 -0700, beeguy@rocketmail.com wrote: >I have three new hives that I started from 3 lb boxes this year. I was >feeding them tonight - around dusk, and saw that all three hives had >clumps of bees "oozing" slightly out the front door. The two brood >chambers are almost completely drawn with comb and are cram-packed with >bees. They have not touched a honey super that has been in place for at >least two weeks. > >I haven't found any queen cells...yet...but it's always possible I >missed them. They definately were not on the bases of the frames. >Since all three hives looked identical, I am wondering if I was just >seeing dusk behavior from thriving hives or swarm preparation. Any >ideas?? > >Jim Sounds good. 3 hives sticking by their queen and standing outside to cool and reduce nectur of its moisture. Bee happy! While the queen cell can be hidden you would likly see at least some cups being made if they were reading to leave. Super is likly foundation and they dont yet consider it a part of the nest. As they gettin crowded they will soon jump into the supers and draw them as the necture flo allows. When it gets hot here half of the bees in a strong hive may sit on the outside of the boxes untill the night air cools things down. While i may use this as an indication of one to split or watch, it in itself is not a swarm indication. tim Article 8329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!europa.clark.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.171.6.16!li.net!usenet From: "jims" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need source for Long Island honey Date: 23 May 1997 15:57:32 GMT Organization: LI Net (Long Island Network) Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bc6791$5360c160$9a4aadc7@jims> NNTP-Posting-Host: lisuser54.li.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8329 I am interested in buying some honey(and maybe some honeycomb) from a Long Island, NY beekeper to try to help my allergies. If anyone knows of a source or has some experience with honey and allergies, please email me at jims@li.net Thanks Article 8330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? Date: 24 May 1997 01:40:03 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <19970524014001.VAA23267@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8330 In article <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, "Jack Griffes" writes: >Does anyone have experience or know of links to information on controlling >ticks in a bee yard setting (where spraying would not likely be wise)? For us, the best control seems to be mowing and burning. We try to keep down vegetation, so the ticks will have no place to sit and wait for victims. I have a high wheel-type lawnmower, which will take care of young trees and brush, if you don't let it harden off. Roundup is sparingly used for stubborn vegetation, especially poison ivy; it will not hurt the bees. I try to stay out of brushy areas and tall grass. It usually takes 8-12 hours for ticks to bite, so a body check each evening usually gets them before they do their damage. Of course one succeeds every now and then, so we always have the potential of Lyme's disease. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 (Dave & Jan's Pollination Service, Pot o'Gold Honey Co.) Pollination for lay people, students, teachers ....Of bees, beekeepers, and food http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm Pollination for the pros - those involved in doing it: Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Varietal Honeys and Gift Sets http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 8331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.latrobe.edu.au!not-for-mail From: Simon Bell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where do I start?? Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:58:56 -0700 Organization: La Trobe University Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3387B900.4FAA@lucjb.agr.latrobe.edu.au> Reply-To: simon@lucjb.agr.latrobe.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Host: din-2-4.latrobe.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8331 I am an Aussie 16 year old interested in setting up a low cost hobby bee hive, where do I start, what kind of a hive should I get, if I want to sell the honey are there any requirements I have to meet with the gourvnment, how do I go about getting a swarm, all the usal questions could someone email me on Simon@lucjb.agr.latrobe.edu.au any help apreacated Article 8332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.onramp.net!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting costs????? Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 04:36:05 GMT Organization: none Lines: 8 Message-ID: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8332 Would like to hear what is charged for extracting from differnt areas. I think it would be of interest to many in this group. Also the type of process as in level of processing honey and wax. Have noted anything from 10cents a frame to 15cents a pound to the price of 1/2 the honey charged to some hobby keepers. Any recient summaries of extracting charges on the net? If you think you are charged or charge an average or reasonable for you in a given country and area please post here or e-mail to tim at magick dot net! TIA tim from usa Article 8333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.onramp.net!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hungry tree swallows : ) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 04:35:59 GMT Organization: none Lines: 8 Message-ID: <338a7029.3402302@snews2.zippo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8333 I see the tree swallows gliding in circles munching on the flying bees and right behind them there is usually several to a dozen bees chasing them as they munch. It doesn't seem to be a problem except for the occasional queen they may get to. Since the swallows nest right next to the apirary in boxes Ibuilt I would guess they don't get stung and the bees chasing are just wasting their time. No, I don't want to get rid of the swallows, it just amusses me to see the bees chasing the birds eating em! :- ) :- ) :- ) Article 8334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!not-for-mail From: tecker@texas.net (asdfa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 12:55:59 GMT Organization: Organization Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> Reply-To: tecker@texas.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tcnet01-34.austin.texas.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.383 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8334 I've got a large infestation of bees in a wall on the outside of my garage. I'd like to get rid of the suckers without killing them. I'm not sure how to do this. Could anyone advise me on this issue ? The local beekeeper wants $65. I'd rather not pay him - since he will keep the bees anyway. Thanks.. Bob. Article 8335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.gte.net!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 16:55:41 GMT Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 60 Message-ID: <411A3286612D3DBF.B2854B8D03239190.3E85939C2DAF04E5@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <5m7fn8$6q9@library.airnews.net> References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal36-15.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8335 tecker@texas.net (asdfa) wrote: >I've got a large infestation of bees in a wall on the outside of my >garage. I'd like to get rid of the suckers without killing them. I'm >not sure how to do this. Could anyone advise me on this issue ? >The local beekeeper wants $65. I'd rather not pay him - since he will >keep the bees anyway. Bob, What you're asking to be done is a difficult task. First of all, I don't know if the $65 dollars is reasonable for your area or not but you don't seem to be objecting to the price as much as the fact the beekeeper "will keep the bees anyway." The bees are much more likely to survive in the care of a good beekeeper than as a wild colony. If you are not informed, the U.S. suffers from a parasitic mite that is killing off most all wild (feral) colonies of honeybees. So that is your first option, leave the bees alone and the mites will destroy the colony for you in less than a couple of years (most likely, this year!). Of course this will leave a mess of wax and honey in the wall of your garage (which will attract next Spring's swarms). Secondly, you can try and trap the bees out of the wall, to keep them from re-entering the nest. However, if you're not a beekeeper yourself, and don't know honeybees, most likely you'll just kill the colony (which doesn't appear to be your objective). In order to be successfull, trapping bees out of your walls it is a fairly complex process (not to mention, time consuming) and one a non-beekeeper shouldn't try. Third, you can pay the beekeeper his price and get him to remove the colony. I can assure you that a beekeeper who removes bees from houses, garages, etc. doesn't view the acquiring of that bee colony as any "major" payback! Most likely they won't produce a marketable honey crop for him this year anyway; it probably won't be until next year that they have recovered enough to product excess honey to sell. And this will only be after he has spent a lot of money on them keeping them alive, disease-free and nursed them through the coming winter (fighting off things like killer mites (two types), foulbrood disease, possibly nosema disease, chalkbrood disease, just to name a few). All he generally has to do to acquire a new bee colony (especially this time of the year - in the Spring) is to do a "split" of one of his/her existing colonies. Plus in the Springtime, there are many calls to collect swarms from low lying bushes or trees which are obviously not nearly as "involved" as removing bees from inside a wall! Now, those are your options for the safe (live) removal of an established colony in a wall. If you want to take the cheap way out and kill the colony, then just buy youself some Sevin Dust and go out after dark (once the bees stop flying) and sprinkle liberally around the enterance hole they've been using. Then apply a can of this large-expanding insulating foam to trap them in there. Of course this will still leave a mess inside the wall of your garage but they can't get out and the Sevin Dust will kill them. BusyKnight Dallas, TX P.S. - If you elect to pay the beekeeper to remove the colony, make sure he/she opens the wall, removes all the old comb wax and honey and most importantly: seals the wall completely. Next Spring, new swarms may try to occupy the old location (if they can get to it). The objective will be to phiscally keep them out (use the expanding foam mentioned earlier and/or caulking). Good luck. Article 8336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.3.12.173!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: Chris Kueny Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:41:51 -0400 Organization: Congaree Wildflower Honey Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3387609F.35C2@concentric.net> References: <19970517132600.JAA21968@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: congaree!!@!!concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc078036.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8336 BeeCrofter wrote: > > Still trying to find out what the downside of adding honey supers drawn or > undrawn to a colony early in the season. > Mostly to get them out from underfoot and to have bees patrolling them for > moths and such. > > Is there a downside to supering in advance of the honeyflow by say a month > or so? > Aslo am bottom supering this year and it seems to be working pretty well. > > Tom Tom, Bees will not draw out foundation in the brood nest if they have supers to go into. If the foundation in the brood nest is all drawn out, the only problem I see is that you may over-super and not have full supers at the end of the honey flow. That just means more work. Article 8337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Lacemaker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Columbus OH beekeeper-HELP Date: 25 May 1997 01:34:33 GMT Organization: Salcon & Associates Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bc68ab$16be5540$c04993cf@worldnet.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.73.192 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8337 I need the help of a beekeeper in the Columbus, OH area. There is a swarm of honey bees in one of my crabapple trees. What should I do? -- Carole lacemaker@worldnet.att.net Article 8338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: kenm@wn.com.au (Ken Morris) Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 05:28:40 GMT Organization: Hillgrove Farm Honey Reply-To: kenm@wn.com.au Message-ID: <3387cc1a.2081273@news.wn.com.au> References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 33 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.70.175.6!alpha.sky.net!news.vbc.net!vbcnet-west!news.mira.net.au!vic.news.telstra.net!act.news.telstra.net!wa.news.telstra.net!bettong.wn.com.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8338 On Sat, 24 May 1997 12:55:59 GMT, tecker@texas.net (asdfa) wrote: >I've got a large infestation of bees in a wall on the outside of my >garage. I'd like to get rid of the suckers without killing them. I'm >not sure how to do this. Could anyone advise me on this issue ? > >The local beekeeper wants $65. I'd rather not pay him - since he will >keep the bees anyway. > >Thanks.. >Bob. Hello Bob, I think I can help you, but would need a bit more information, rather than writing for the next half hour and clogging up the Newsgroup with all the possible options. Have a look at my website (URL below) and see if you find the answer to your problem on my FAQS or Swarms pages. If not e-mail me details about how long they have been there, what they are doing, accesibility and so on and I will e-mail you back some suggestions specific to your situation. I'm afraid there is no "one size fits all" solution without writing a couple of thousand words and maybe still not covering your specific problem. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Ken Morris Hillgrove Farm Honey, Western Australia Telephone (618 outside Aust) (08 in Aust) 9926 1087 http://www.wn.com.au/gol/members/kenm/index.htm Australia/New Zealand Dist.BiData Beekeeping Software Article 8339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.3.12.173!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: REMOVEcdg1@concentric.net (Charles) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 08:01:03 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 57 Message-ID: <5m8rke$a9u@chronicle.concentric.net> References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc057057.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8339 Bob: Sure seems to me that $65 is not an unreasonable or unfair price - Do you have the knowledge, skill, experience and equipment to remove them without being stung yourself or causing your family or neighbors to be stung ? Picking up a swarm off a bush or low tree branch is fairly easy - Removing a hive from a wall is not - I once removed a hive from a brick wall and it took many hours of labor. Why would I spend many hours of unpaid labor to remove a hive when I can buy a compete Queen and a package of 15000 bees for about $30, shipped to my door ? When a bee keeper collects a bunch of bees, do you know it then will cost him about $75 to $100 for the hive and frames to house those bees ? Last year I was given a swarm of bees by a local bee keeper because he did not have the money to buy a new hive out of his family budget to house them . Merely keeping the bees was going to cost him money which he could not afford to spend Do you refuse to pay the local tree trimming company who removes the dead oak in your front yard "because they keep the wood " ? No, you pay them for their time and experience and are happy they haul it all off.. You are asking for a service and I am proud of the bee keeper for being upfront and giving you a quote. His time and skill is not "free" and expecting it to be is unreasonable on your part. If you choose to kill the bees, don't forget that is only the first step, you must open the wall and remove all the dead bees and the honeycombs from the wall or you will have a major problem with ants and other insects for years to come that will enter the former beehive for the rotting bees, larva and the other residue left behind. Charles A bee keeper in Albuquerque, New Mexico http://www.concentric.net/~cdg1 tecker@texas.net (asdfa) wrote: >I've got a large infestation of bees in a wall on the outside of my >garage. I'd like to get rid of the suckers without killing them. I'm >not sure how to do this. Could anyone advise me on this issue ? >The local beekeeper wants $65. I'd rather not pay him - since he will >keep the bees anyway. >Thanks.. >Bob. To reply to this post, please remove the word REMOVE from my email address. Article 8340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!europa.clark.net!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Date: 25 May 1997 14:35:32 GMT Lines: 85 Message-ID: <19970525143501.KAA05475@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8340 In article <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net>, tecker@texas.net (asdfa) writes: << Subject: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them From: tecker@texas.net (asdfa) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 12:55:59 GMT I've got a large infestation of bees in a wall on the outside of my garage. I'd like to get rid of the suckers without killing them. I'm not sure how to do this. Could anyone advise me on this issue ? The local beekeeper wants $65. I'd rather not pay him - since he will keep the bees anyway. >> I certainly would not call that an "infestation", as the bees are extremely valuable. If they survive and prosper in their chosen home, they will add a couple thousand dollars a year to farm crops and gardens grown in your neighborhood. You are wise not to want to kill them. Besides their value to your neighborhood, you could also wind up with a problem. A lady in a nearby town had a wall colony killed by an exterminator (he charged her $300.00! -- just to puff some poison dust into the cavity), and the unprotected honey absorbed atmospheric moisture and fermented. As it did, it expanded and ruptured the cappings on the honeycomb and ran down through her walls, doing several hundred dollars more damage to her drywall. As long as the bees are strong and healthy, they will keep their honey dry and it will cause no problems. If you elect to remove the colony, the wall must be opened up and ALL honeycomb removed. Then the wall should be tightly closed, with no possibility of any bees re-entering, as the odor will make a highly attractive spot for future swarms. As a good measure, you probably should pack the cavity full of fiberglass before closing. I used to remove bees from walls. It was a big job, usually a half day or more. The bees were stressed by the change, and sometimes didn't survive, sometimes had to be nursed along for quite a while, sometimes till next spring. I usually got some honey. A couple times, it was nice honey, but mostly it was old, dark honey. When I was just starting beekeeping, I did quite a few for free. I wouldn't consider that now. It would take at least a hundred dollars to interest me, because I know the work involved, and it would be more, if it involved working off a ladder. It always amazes me how people get bent out of shape about bees. The last wall removal I did, I charged $50 (I was getting smarter then, but should have charged more). The woman was practically frantic. She insisted that the bees had just moved in. They were under the soffit at the top of the second story. It was extremely awkward, working with pails and ropes, etc. But the interesting thing was that the condition of the comb told plainly that the bees had been there for many years. The old black brood comb must have in continuous occupation for at least 20 years. I am sure of this, because we have so many wax moths around here that old comb is quickly destroyed. New swarms would have to build fresh new comb. It was obvious that she had peacefully lived with the bees for many years and never even known it. One of her kids had been stung, and this got her excited. But there was also a yellow jacket nest in another section of the same wall. I poisoned these without remorse. I'm confident they were the cause of the sting, because yellow jackets are much more aggressive, and this nest was close to head heighth. If you really can't coexist with them, your beekeeper's offer is cheap. By the way, I always have a contract with the owners. I will open the nest as carefully as possible, but I am NOT responsible for damages, and the owner is responsible for the repair of the opening. If that is too expensive, you might consider offering it to a beginning beekeeper who wants bees so bad that he'll do it free. But what are you gonna' do if he/she gets in over his/her head? There is a chance, maybe one in a million, that your beekeeper may find a mite-resistant wild bee (the queen), that can be bred and pass on resistance to her offspring. If he finds this rare creature, eagerly sought by all American agriculture, and he is smart enough to recognize it and breed her ----- he could become a millionaire! In that event, perhaps he should share some with you. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 (Dave & Jan's Pollination Service, Pot o'Gold Honey Co.) Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Article 8341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news From: schrabal@columbia.edu (J. Schrabal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Long Island Beekeeper's Club www-page Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:21:13 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <338866a0.2771244@news.erols.com> Reply-To: schrabal@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: smt-as1s62.erols.com X-Received-On: 25 May 1997 12:21:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8341 Long Island beekeepr's Club www-page at http://www.erols.com/schrabal/bee/libc.html joe schrabal@columbia.edu Article 8342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.icm.edu.pl!news.apfel.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!not-for-mail From: "mel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do with a swarm? Date: 25 May 1997 22:18:15 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bc6959$10effb60$6cda2e9c@wirural.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp108.wirural.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8342 I just got a swarm off the side of a pine tree. I don't know if I got the queen or not . I put what I caught in a brood box close to where the swarm had gathered but some went back to the other hive. I would like to put this swarm together with a weak hive about four miles away. How do I do this and keep the home hive queen alive and the swarm queen from killing her if she is in my swarm box? Thanks.. Article 8343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!unknown From: cornelia@paonline.com (Cornelia Foster) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! Getting rid of Bees without killing them Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sun, 25 May 97 22:49:51 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online [Usenet News Server for Hire] Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5mafad$201@news.paonline.com> References: <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net> Reply-To: tecken@texas.net NNTP-Posting-Host: s44-25-201.paonline.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8343 In article <3387e4da.526856015@news.texas.net>, tecker@texas.net wrote: >I've got a large infestation of bees in a wall on the outside of my >garage. I'd like to get rid of the suckers without killing them. I'm >not sure how to do this. Could anyone advise me on this issue ? > >The local beekeeper wants $65. I'd rather not pay him - since he will >keep the bees anyway. > >Thanks.. >Bob. $65 sounds pretty reasonable to me. The beekeeper will have to make a couple of visits to your house over one to two weeks to remove those bees. Your alternative would bee to poison the bees (and possibly your self). You would then have to rip the wall open to get the dead bees and combs out before they start rotting and smelling. Good luck in your decision Crispin Foster Article 8344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: jakatz@ix.netcom.com (Janet A. Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: multiple eggs Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 02:55:06 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5majgf$kqc@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> References: <863999624.18021@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj4-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 25 4:54:55 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8344 aspighi@island.net wrote: >Due to a extremely high mortality rate over the winter I find myself with >a handful of bees and a 2 year old queen that has just started laying her >eggs several to a cell. Is this a sign of senility or is this due to >there being to few workers to care for the larvea if they are spread over >a larger area? Will this stunt the development of the larvea? I would >like to raise my own Queen in order not to contaminate the Queen >Charlottes with the dreaded mites. Is this imposible? Or should I start >from scratch and buy a new Queen and a few pound of bees. >Someone please advise me. thank you Adriana >-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet Adriana: Are you certain you have a queen? What you may have is a laying worker, which means you lost the queen and then remaining bees couldn't produce a new queen for whatever reason. If that's the case, only drones will be produced and you'll lose the hive. It doesn't sound like you have enough workers left to requeen, so starting with a new package might be your best bet. Janet jakatz@ix.netcom.com Article 8345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeper Messages Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:22:46 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5makvb$4vv$2@nntp.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: magnolia.pe.net NNTP-Posting-User: amschelp X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8345 Why is it that there might be very few messages on the beekeepers special interest group at this time? It is because now is the time for the Honeyflow. Soak it up, mein Herr; it's totally groovy. Article 8346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What to do with a swarm? Date: 26 May 1997 02:29:41 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 41 Message-ID: <01bc697c$b6fb1260$588cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc6959$10effb60$6cda2e9c@wirural.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh2-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun May 25 7:29:41 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8346 mel wrote in article <01bc6959$10effb60$6cda2e9c@wirural.net>... > I just got a swarm off the side of a pine tree. > I don't know if I got the queen or not . > I put what I caught in a brood box close to where the swarm had gathered > but some went back to the other hive. > I would like to put this swarm together with a weak hive about four miles > away. > How do I do this and keep the home hive queen alive and the swarm queen > from killing her if she is in my swarm box? > Thanks.. Howdy Mel, If the swarm is staying in the box then the queen is in there. My question is why you would prefer to keep the queen heading a weak hive alive in preference to a queen from a hive that was strong enough to pitch a swarm? If the swarm was decent sized I think the swarm's queen is likely the better one. But you may know something about the situation that I do not - as in you might live in a AHB area (in which case you decidely should kill the swarm queen) or perhaps the swarm was pathetically small or something. Many folks just dump swarms into weak hives and let the outcome be determined by the bees (this can get both queens killed but is most likely to get the swarm queen killed but not always). -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where do I start?? Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:41:56 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <33890684.31F2@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <3387B900.4FAA@lucjb.agr.latrobe.edu.au> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.132.156 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) To: simon@lucjb.agr.latrobe.edu.au Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8347 Simon Bell wrote: > > I am an Aussie 16 year old interested in setting up a low cost hobby bee > hive, where do I start, what kind of a hive should I get, if I want to > sell the honey are there any requirements I have to meet with the > gourvnment, how do I go about getting a swarm, all the usal questions > could someone email me on Simon@lucjb.agr.latrobe.edu.au any help > apreacated Simon, The place to get started is to find a local bee keeper. Most will be glad to share their knowledge with you. They can tell you what the best kind of hive is for your local and what equipment you will need.. There may be some local bee associations. There should also be some books on beekeeping in your library. There are also lots of stuff on the net. Just search for beekeeping. As for government regulations, check with local Agricultural Department. I got lots of help from my state Apiarist. Here there are state, city and county regulations. Most of them boil down to "Don't pester your neighbor." I started with two packages (3lbs of bees with queen) that I bought locally. I took a bee class from the store that sold me the bees and I also have a friend who has twelve hives that I have worked with him. My bees are doing fine. Bees are very interesting. If you have any more questions feel free to E-Mail me or write this news group. Specific questions usually get the best answers. Good Luck, Pete Seattle, Washington USA Article 8348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!mr.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beenet uk dialup bbs Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:48:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705270723361856@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <01bc625b$dc176d00$643fdec2@tdale.demon.co.uk> <862956561@amigabee.org.uk> Lines: 67 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8348 >From: "Tim Dale" >Subject: Re: beenet uk dialup bbs >OK - having spent good time filling in your 'log in' form, I haven't see >anything I can't get for free from existing internet resources. Perhaps >I've missed something here, but unless you can convince us that you have >something worth paying (what has europe got to do with you charging >anyway?) 10 pounds for, I think I'll stick to those that do this for the >love of it. Hi Beekeepers, I missed something, I believe what he is offering is a *free* online bbs service for beekeepers, and if you find it a valuable resource you are welcome to help with the costs. If you can't afford it or do not think you will get value back for you money you don't pay anything. In any case I know from 10 years experience it is very costly for a beekeeper or anyone else to maintain a bbs and especially so one that is connected to the internet. My own dial up bbs has never generated enough donations to pay the costs...and the beekeeping FAQ service alone can cost $20 to $50 a month depending on how many use it. You may have noticed that I don't mention it as much as I once did because of the costs to me. As for finding something you can not find on the internet for free, I guess it all depends on what you are looking for. I don't find that many places on the internet that are devoted to beekeeping myself and know from experience if we beekeepers would stick together that we could build a very nice depository for files that interest beekeepers.... ttul, the OLd Drone sysop, Wild Bee's BBS Los Banos, Ca >http://www.tdale.demon.co.uk/BeeKeeping/index.htm >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----------------------------- >Steven Turner wrote in article ><862956561@amigabee.org.uk>... >> Hello UK beekeepers, >> >> The Beekeeping bbs in London is a dialup bbs which is a focus for all >things >> beekeeping and ideal for UK contacts. >> >> Its a fully interactive system using free Windows software to download. >> 3 nodes to dial up using terminal software 8.N.1 ansi >> >> 0181-695-5328 modem 14400 baud >> 0181-473-8171 modem Hayes 33k6 baud >> 0181-244-6123 modem Hayes 33k6 baud >> >> We offer a free service to beekeepers with a option to subscribe at >£10.00 per >> year which includes the windows software package on 3 disk. >> >> Regards Steve >> >> Steven Turner G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee >> >> ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ þ I'm Pro-Choice! I chose WildCat v.3! Article 8349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!feeder.chicago.cic.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news From: Dave Fessler Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen question Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:30:08 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <338B0C10.56C@erols.com> Reply-To: fessler@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: aln-as1s41.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 27 May 1997 11:30:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8349 Ladies & Gentlemen: I recently installed a 3 lb package with the queen. The bees released her on their own, but a week later I see no evidence of her or any eggs. Any comments? Should I take some brood from my other hive and introduce it into this hive? Dave Article 8350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.communique.net!communique!hunter.premier.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!malgudi.oar.net!echoes.wittenberg.edu!callisto.cns.muskingum.edu!oucsboss!shimizu.chem.ohiou.edu!user From: tip*@ai.chem.ohiou.edu (Tom Perigrin) Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks & weeds in a beeyard?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: shimizu.chem.ohiou.edu Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu May 22 11:58:17 1997 Organization: Ohio University References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bc6564$9a83dfc0$LocalHost@luichart.woollens> <01bc6627$cf6b3a80$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:58:18 GMT Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8350 In article <01bc6627$cf6b3a80$358cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, "Jack Griffes" wrote: > We can't kill the vegetation on other folks land - especially when we try [snip] > plus for the bees). And for the helpful folks that suggested running > Guinea fowl in the yards - I had never thought of that one but we don't get > there often enough to tend them anyway since the yards with the biggest You might also look for tick repellants to put on your suit. There are tick repeallants that are approved for veternary use in the US and approved for human use overseas... I use it on our cats, but I apologize because I can't remember the name. While I may not want to "drink" the stuff, or use it in my hair, I wouldn't feel uncomfortable using it on my bee suit. It's not volatile, so there is reduced risk that it will upset/repell the bees that don't land on you. Tom ------ Due to the increasing prevelance of bulk mail senders that automatically extract names from newsgroup postings, I have had to "bugger" my e-mail address. To send email directly to me, please remove the "*" in my e-mail address. Article 8351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Memorial Day Observations Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:40:23 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <338A1157.3C1E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.132.74 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8351 Memorial day observations: Hive 2: I observed one bee land at the entrance board so loaded with pollen she couldn’t fold her wings down. She tried to walk to the entrance, but the pollen prevented her hind legs from doing much, so after a few moments she took off and flew into the entrance. Now, if that turned out to be a good landing she can be proud. From this hive I nibbled off one swarm cell, nobody home. I didn’t see her majesty, but she has been putting eggs in some cells her kin have just started. Get busy girls! Hive 1: I always do hive two first they like me better. I Saw Mom on the center frame top box (Super, I’m using Westerns, now three high with feeder above.) I found two supersedure cells on the frame opposite and left them. Maybe the bees don’t like Mom’s behavior either. Will check this next time. I think my bees are modern, and are trying to cut down on there fat intake. They are leaving my nice Terramycin patty alone. They have maybe eaten ¼. Should I worry about this? There is a very large Rhododendron next to my hives. It is full of bumble bees. My bees are going elsewhere finding something yellow. Scotch broom and buttercups are in bloom as well as some dandelions, but I’m not sure what they are munching on. Pete Seattle Article 8352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!news.new-york.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!cust120.max5.chicago.il.ms.uu.net!user From: !nationalreal@earthlink.net (Stasia Vishnevsky-Wussow) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Looks For Books... Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 12:06:43 -0600 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cust120.max5.chicago.il.ms.uu.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8352 Hi! We have three acres of land and would like to keep bees for the purpose of enjoying them as well as for making a little honey. Can someone please recommend a couple of good starter books? We live in Wisconsin...if that matters for the type of bees, or hive, or whatever. Thanks very much for your help. Article 8353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Looks For Books... Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:19:18 -0500 Organization: Netcom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <338B1796.18A2@ix.netcom.com> References: Reply-To: swehe@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx2-04.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 27 12:19:19 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8353 Stasia Vishnevsky-Wussow wrote: > > Hi! We have three acres of land and would like to keep bees for the > purpose of enjoying them as well as for making a little honey. Can someone > please recommend a couple of good starter books? We live in Wisconsin...if > that matters for the type of bees, or hive, or whatever. Thanks very much > for your help. Dadant's book First Lessons in Beekeeping is the most informative that I've found. My first hive is up and thriving and I'm fixing to add another hive at a different location. Dadant's main number is 217 847-3324. Good luck. I hope you enjoy your hive as much as we do and I also hope you meet as many wonderful people as we have. Susan Wehe Article 8354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3389DBE8.453D@IBM.NET> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 11:52:24 -0700 From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting costs????? References: <338b7033.3412857@snews2.zippo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.178.174 Lines: 14 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!129.37.178.174 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8354 . Any recient summaries of extracting charges on the net? > If you think you are charged or charge an average or reasonable for you in a > given country and area please post here or e-mail to tim at magick dot net! > TIA tim from usaTim; We do about 100,000 lbs of custom extracting a year, at a rate of 15% of the honey, we also keep the wax. For that 15% the honey is delivered to our plant, we do all the handling from there, extract it, load the empty super on the owners trucks, supply the barrels, fill the barrels, and ship the barrels any where the owner wants. Hope that's what you were looking for, if you have anymore questions please feel free to e-mail me, or the list if you feel it's of interest. regards; Tim Townsend Article 8355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!168.143.0.2!news.clark.net!usenet From: Lori Whited Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 5 lb packages Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:34:41 +0100 Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <33885C11.5E05@clark.net> Reply-To: lorin@clark.net NNTP-Posting-Host: lorin.clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8355 I have already started thinking about next year, and noticed one company selling 5 lb boxes of bees (as well as 2 and 3 lb boxes). Does anyone have any experience with 5 lb packages? I am thinking that they will draw out frames faster, but that they might also swarm faster. Any info from someone who has bought these before would be greatly appreciated. lorin Article 8356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how is the weather ? Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 21:49:59 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 17 Message-ID: <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lunar-6.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8356 The weather in My area SW minnesota hasn't been very helpful on my first year restarting beekeeping, its been almost too cold to open them. I just checked afew of the 25 hives, ones that looked stronger, lots of bees hanging around the entrance. They were not quite full on the first brood chamber. It's been so cold at night here, that I didn't want to put the second brood box on too soon. Looks like they will be ready for the next box in a few days, will also be warmer, in 70's. I will probably put newspaper in between the boxes for the hives not quite ready, so I don't have to disturb them aqain. How is the temp in other areas and how does it compare with other years? When I was checking hives I noticed some worker bees under sized and wings were missing, looks like mites have been busy. Most bees look okay could not find mites on any of the bees, but eyes are probably not good enough to spot them. The 8 frame nukes had apistan installed in the center of brood nest when purchased. Article 8357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.fast.net!not-for-mail From: jimp@fast.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking to buy queens Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 03:13:39 GMT Organization: FASTNET(tm) PA/NJ/DE Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5mft8t$153$1@news1.fast.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max-2-01.abe.fast.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8357 I am new to this, most interesting adventure with my two new hives. One started from a three pound package, and the other from a nuc. I thought the nuc would proceed more quickly, but they are both doing about the same. I would like to make a split with a new queen. They don't appeat crowded, but would like to have the extra hive for nest year. Does this sound like a good idea? Any sources of quality queens etc. would be appreciated. THANK YOU, Jim Article 8358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tim@magick.net (Tim Brown) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how is the weather ? Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 04:38:10 GMT Organization: none Lines: 22 Message-ID: <338a63dc.25294781@snews2.zippo.com> References: <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!zdc!super.zippo.com!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!snews5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8358 On Mon, 26 May 1997 21:49:59 -0700, Elroy Rogers wrote: >The weather in My area SW minnesota hasn't been very helpful on my first >year restarting beekeeping, its been almost too cold to open them. I >just checked afew of the 25 hives, ones that looked stronger, lots of >bees hanging around the entrance. They were not quite full on the first >brood chamber. It's been so cold at night here, that I didn't want to >put the second brood box on too soon. Looks like they will be ready for >the next box in a few days, will also be warmer, in 70's. I will >probably put newspaper in between the boxes for the hives not quite >ready, so I don't have to disturb them aqain. > >How is the temp in other areas and how does it compare with other years? > >When I was checking hives I noticed some worker bees under sized and >wings were missing, looks like mites have been busy. Most bees look okay >could not find mites on any of the bees, but eyes are probably not good >enough to spot them. The 8 frame nukes had apistan installed in the >center of brood nest when purchased. Oregon weather has been fair and a bit wet. the present coolness and wet is at an inopertune time as it is the start of the only main flo(blackberry) for me! Up to swarm time and thru the swarms it was quite warm(normal?). tim Article 8359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.onramp.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Victor S. Patterson" <"vsp@flash.net"@flash.net> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic Beehives Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 22:01:34 -0500 Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 6 Message-ID: <5me8hs$psu$1@excalibur.flash.net> Reply-To: "vsp@flash.net"@flash.net NNTP-Posting-Host: hsh1-53.flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8359 I am looking for a source of plastic beehives. I purchase a complete hive about 12 years ago from a company by the name of "The Plastic Way". This company ran ads in the ABJ but now seems to be out of business. My plastic hives have been in use all of this time and are still in good condition. Thanks in advance for any help. Article 8360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!152.163.170.17!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ahlmon1961@aol.com (Ahlmon1961) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Agressive hive? requeening? How to find quee? etc Date: 27 May 1997 12:46:18 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <19970527124601.IAA02822@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8360 Hi: I need some professional advice about requeening. How to find the queen? When to requeen? and what to do about an agressive hive? Recently, we have been getting stung out in our yard. This is inconvenient to say the least. The hivs are located about 25 yards from our house so it presents a problem if you want to work out in the yard. Last year we did not have this problem. I noticed that it usually happens either the day of or the day after I've worked the hives. My wife was stung on the scalp just walking across the yard. Anyway I thought that requeening the two overwintered hives might be the thing to do to bring a calmer presenceto these hives. I've been requeening with the Buckfast variety which seem very non-agressive so far. I have noticed on both occasions of stinging that the culprits are smaller in size and appear to be more squat in the abdomen. The wings are not ragged so i am assuming they are young? Please give me some practical advive on how to requeen and what to do in the interim about the renegade bees. many thanks Alan M. Article 8361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wing deformity/weather/queen cell shipment experiment Date: 27 May 1997 12:40:03 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 113 Message-ID: <01bc6a9b$1fe35ac0$308cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-16.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 27 7:40:03 AM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8361 Howdy Elroy Rogers et al, Elroy Rogers wrote in article <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net>... > When I was checking hives I noticed some worker bees under sized and > wings were missing, looks like mites have been busy. Most bees look okay > could not find mites on any of the bees, but eyes are probably not good > enough to spot them. The 8 frame nukes had apistan installed in the > center of brood nest when purchased. > The wing deformity is generally caused by a virus (Deformed Wing Virus) which is MUCH more likely to manifest itself in hives with Varroa mites (sometimes even with mites at a low level of infestation). When brood is present something around 80% of the Vmites will be in the cells and not readily visible. Generally speaking by the time you see them on the bees (unless you are mighty dandy at spotting them) you have a healthy horde of Vmites. Hopefully your nuc producer was not being too frugal on you but it sounds as though that is a possibility. Do you know when that Apistan strip was NEW and installed in the nuc? It takes 2 full brood cycles in the hive at the proper dosage (1-Apistan strip/5 frames bees {& brood}) to kill 99.9% of the Vmites. Thus if the nucs were made up this Spring the treatment period may not have been long enough by the time you installed them. And if the nucs were made up in the Summer last year and overwintered in the North with new strips installed at make-up time - well then the strips were used up long ago (though they look about the same). Point being - a Apistan strip hanging in that hive can elicit a false sense of security - got to know when it was installed new - got to leave it in long enough to be effective (42-56 days) - got to remove even the old used up strips BEFORE putting on any supers that will contain honey for human consumption. (See "Treatment Timing Tips" on my web site for more info about treating with Apistan for Vmites in the North) Okay now how has the weather been here? We had early pollen 15 March coming in from Maples. This helped really kick build-up into gear. Then the weather after a very brief warmish period turned cool and/ or cool & rainy as it has continued with only one or two day warm/normal spells since then. We even had frost on the ground the morning after I grafted the first batch of queen cells. This early natural pollen stimulating build-up followed by limited foraging (with lots pollen available on the days they can get out) is the suspected cause of the abnormally high level of swarm prep we are seeing as well throughout MI and OH (even among strains selected for reluctance to swarm). Of course the bees have not told us that is the reason so we are making some leaps of logic here - but it makes sense - though what makes sense is not always the same as what is true. My 8 year old son, Jared, and I are doing an experiment currently to see if we have (or have not) correctly determined a way to send queen cells through the United States Postal system with a HIGH degree of emergence upon planting them in nucs/hives upon arrival at their destination. All 50 cells involved were grafted off same AI queen on the same day (14 May). We have a control group consisting of 10 cells of which 8 have been in electric incubator (92-94 degrees Fahrenheit approx 50+% humidity) since day 7 (days counted since grafting) - the other 2 were in a "incubator hive" until day 10 then moved into electric incubator. All cells referred to as the "elec" group were in electric incubator since day 7 (21 May) except during their 24 hour at room temperature phase of the test. All cells referred to as "hive" were in the incubator hive until day 10 and likewise until they recieved their 24 hour at room temp treatment. 10 day means the cells at the 10 day after grafting stage were placed on room temp bookshelf for 24 hours then placed back into electric incubator to test emergence (incubator simulating the cell being planted in a nuc/hive after being shipped via USPS). 11 day means they recieved the 24 hour room temp treatment 11 days after grafting and were then returned to electric incubator. Because we use Chinese grafting tools we are able to graft exceedingly small (young) larvae which accounts for the emergence time of even the control group cells. Incubator hive = marked queen and some brood below excluder - cell bars between brood (two or more frames of brood on each side of cell bar frame) above excluder. We wish we had a full 10 elec and 10 hive in the control group but we ended up needing more cells to make splits leaving but 50 instead of 60 cells left. We hope this will suffice in the control group to give us an accurate indication though we recognize it could have been better. Note control of variables like all being grafted off same AI queen (helping control for genetic variation), sample size of 10 each per type of incubation used in a group of 20 per "shipment simultation" timing. (emerged to this point/total in group) 27 May 1997 7am Total - all treatments - 7/50 Control - elec--------------- 1/8 Control - hive---------------- 1/2 10 day - elec---------------- 2/10 10 day - hive---------------- 0/10 11 day - elec---------------- 2/10 11 day - hive---------------- 1/10 Another HIP Cooperator (Gary Veale) is/has been doing a similar experiment for the same reason. If I can get his permission along with his complete procedure and data I will post it sometime in the future. -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive hive? requeening? How to find quee? etc Date: 27 May 1997 13:12:44 GMT Lines: 6 Message-ID: <19970527131200.JAA07453@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <19970527124601.IAA02822@ladder01.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8362 One trick when searching for the queen of an aggressive hive is to pick the hive up and move it some distance from its original stand This has the hive less crowded as the field bees go to the original stand location and mill about there. Also I have better luck requeening aggressive hives with a nuc and sheet of newspaper type combining. Article 8363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!malgudi.oar.net!echoes.wittenberg.edu!callisto.cns.muskingum.edu!oucsboss!shimizu.chem.ohiou.edu!user From: tip*@ai.chem.ohiou.edu (Tom Perigrin) Subject: Re: ??How to control ticks in a beeyard?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: shimizu.chem.ohiou.edu Message-ID: Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu May 22 11:54:12 1997 Organization: Ohio University References: <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:54:13 GMT Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8363 In article <01bc64ef$e172f4e0$676ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com>, "Jack Griffes" wrote: > Does anyone have experience or know of links to information on controlling > ticks in a bee yard setting (where spraying would not likely be wise)? My first thought was "guinea fowl". They are tremendous eaters of bugs, and are widely used around here to control ticks around houses. We keep guineas and ducks (and will be getting some geese) just running around loose on the farm as a bug-patrol and as scenery. However, you may need to put a chicken wire cage around the hive if you keep them in close confinement. ------ Due to the increasing prevelance of bulk mail senders that automatically extract names from newsgroup postings, I have had to "bugger" my e-mail address. To send email directly to me, please remove the "*" in my e-mail address. Article 8364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news From: "Rob Chipman, Vancouver, B.C." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Memorial Day Observations Date: 28 May 1997 03:33:42 GMT Organization: Client of Intenet Portal Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bb49ea$f08bf6a0$9824aecc@p133> References: <338A1157.3C1E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d152.portal.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8364 Pete Wolcott wrote in article <338A1157.3C1E@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>... > Memorial day observations: > > > There is a very large Rhododendron next to my hives. It is full > of bumble bees. My bees are going elsewhere finding something yellow. > Scotch broom and buttercups are in bloom as well as some dandelions, > but I’m not sure what they are munching on. > > Pete > Seattle > I have lots of rhodos on my place which are also covered with bumblebees, as is the cotoneaster (sp?). My honeybees don't go to either, although they come back to the hive with lots of pollen. I don't know where they go to get it. Anyway to figure this out? Rob Article 8365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!202.232.2.100!np1.iij.ad.jp!nf0.iij.ad.jp!nr0.iij.ad.jp!news.iij.ad.jp!np0.iij.ad.jp!nspixp!sinfony-news01!news01.so-net.or.jp!infosphere!news.hiroken.or.jp!usenet From: interbbs@hotmail.com (-*Future-Net*-) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FreeNetAccessWorldwide Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 20:51:31 GMT Organization: -*Future-Net*- Lines: 6 Message-ID: <338b1825.8634978@hiroken.hiroken.or.jp> Reply-To: interbbs@hotmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.208.127.214 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8365 Free Adult Internet Connection Worldwide Via Our Bbs. Follow the link and enjoy... http://cybercity.hko.net/la/interbbs/freenet/free.htm Article 8366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.3.12.173!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wing deformity/weather/queen cell shipment experiment Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:59:00 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 124 Message-ID: <338BC968.70FF@starpoint.net> References: <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net> <01bc6a9b$1fe35ac0$308cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aurora-7.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8366 Jack Griffes wrote: > > Howdy Elroy Rogers et al, > Elroy Rogers wrote in article > <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net>... > > > When I was checking hives I noticed some worker bees under sized and > > wings were missing, looks like mites have been busy. Most bees look okay > > could not find mites on any of the bees, but eyes are probably not good > > enough to spot them. The 8 frame nukes had apistan installed in the > > center of brood nest when purchased. > > > > The wing deformity is generally caused by a virus (Deformed Wing Virus) > which is MUCH more likely to manifest itself in hives with Varroa mites > (sometimes even with mites at a low level of infestation). When brood is > present something around 80% of the Vmites will be in the cells and not > readily visible. Generally speaking by the time you see them on the bees > (unless you are mighty dandy at spotting them) you have a healthy horde of > Vmites. Hopefully your nuc producer was not being too frugal on you but > it sounds as though that is a possibility. Do you know when that Apistan > strip was NEW and installed in the nuc? I believe the strips were placed in the nukes about a week before I got them or 2 weeks ago, which is too early to see real results yet. I do know my nuke producer put new strips in them, because I seen the box from man lake still in the honey house, over 700 strips. The hives came from california orange groves directly to minnesota, then split the strong ones a week later. I had helped two separate days in two week period, learned alot from him. It has been really cold here, which delayed every thing about 3 weeks, bees are really slow building up to full strength. I heard the weather man say we had at least 1 day of 90 degree temp in month of may in the past 12 years, but not this year. > It takes 2 full brood cycles in > the hive at the proper dosage (1-Apistan strip/5 frames bees {& brood}) to > kill 99.9% of the Vmites. Thus if the nucs were made up this Spring the > treatment period may not have been long enough by the time you installed > them. And if the nucs were made up in the Summer last year and > overwintered in the North with new strips installed at make-up time - well > then the strips were used up long ago (though they look about the same). > Point being - a Apistan strip hanging in that hive can elicit a false sense > of security - got to know when it was installed new - got to leave it in > long enough to be effective (42-56 days) - got to remove even the old used > up strips BEFORE putting on any supers that will contain honey for human > consumption. (See "Treatment Timing Tips" on my web site for more info > about treating with Apistan for Vmites in the North) I don't think honey flow will start until june 20th or july 1st, which will work out about right to remove them. > > Okay now how has the weather been here? We had early pollen 15 March > coming in from Maples. This helped really kick build-up into gear. Then > the weather after a very brief warmish period turned cool and/ or cool & > rainy as it has continued with only one or two day warm/normal spells since > then. We even had frost on the ground the morning after I grafted the > first batch of queen cells. This early natural pollen stimulating > build-up followed by limited foraging (with lots pollen available on the > days they can get out) is the suspected cause of the abnormally high level > of swarm prep we are seeing as well throughout MI and OH (even among > strains selected for reluctance to swarm). Of course the bees have not > told us that is the reason so we are making some leaps of logic here - but > it makes sense - though what makes sense is not always the same as what is > true. > > My 8 year old son, Jared, and I are doing an experiment currently to see if > we have (or have not) correctly determined a way to send queen cells > through the United States Postal system with a HIGH degree of emergence > upon planting them in nucs/hives upon arrival at their destination. All > 50 cells involved were grafted off same AI queen on the same day (14 May). > We have a control group consisting of 10 cells of which 8 have been in > electric incubator (92-94 degrees Fahrenheit approx 50+% humidity) since > day 7 (days counted since grafting) - the other 2 were in a "incubator > hive" until day 10 then moved into electric incubator. All cells referred > to as the "elec" group were in electric incubator since day 7 (21 May) > except during their 24 hour at room temperature phase of the test. All > cells referred to as "hive" were in the incubator hive until day 10 and > likewise until they recieved their 24 hour at room temp treatment. 10 day > means the cells at the 10 day after grafting stage were placed on room temp > bookshelf for 24 hours then placed back into electric incubator to test > emergence (incubator simulating the cell being planted in a nuc/hive after > being shipped via USPS). 11 day means they recieved the 24 hour room temp > treatment 11 days after grafting and were then returned to electric > incubator. Because we use Chinese grafting tools we are able to graft > exceedingly small (young) larvae which accounts for the emergence time of > even the control group cells. Incubator hive = marked queen and some brood > below excluder - cell bars between brood (two or more frames of brood on > each side of cell bar frame) above excluder. > > We wish we had a full 10 elec and 10 hive in the control group but we ended > up needing more cells to make splits leaving but 50 instead of 60 cells > left. We hope this will suffice in the control group to give us an > accurate indication though we recognize it could have been better. Note > control of variables like all being grafted off same AI queen (helping > control for genetic variation), sample size of 10 each per type of > incubation used in a group of 20 per "shipment simultation" timing. > > (emerged to this point/total in group) > 27 May 1997 7am > Total - all treatments - 7/50 > Control - elec--------------- 1/8 > Control - hive---------------- 1/2 > 10 day - elec---------------- 2/10 > 10 day - hive---------------- 0/10 > 11 day - elec---------------- 2/10 > 11 day - hive---------------- 1/10 > > Another HIP Cooperator (Gary Veale) is/has been doing a similar experiment > for the same reason. If I can get his permission along with his complete > procedure and data I will post it sometime in the future. > > -- > Jack Griffes > Country Jack's Honeybee Farm > Honeybee Improvement Program > Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes > Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 > USA > Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ > Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the > following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. > e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com > > Article 8367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!198.207.169.10!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Blue Orchard Bees Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <9705281831491867@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 70 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8367 ___ ____ ___ _ _ ___ ___ _ _ / _ \| _ \_ _| \ | |_ _/ _ \| \ | | | | | | |_) | || \| || | | | | \| | | |_| | __/| || |\ || | |_| | |\ | \___/|_| |___|_| \_|___\___/|_| \_| Blue Organists's Each spring as regular as day brings the night the Blue Bee Boys put out their annual press release on how they have found a new bee to replace honeybees for pollinating. It just is not true, all one has to do is invest a small amount of time and money in purchasing these bees and you will find that for other then maybe their natural territory they are less then useless for early pollination for the bulk of commercial tree fruit at least here in central California and I am sure for the bulk of the west and southern tree fruit growing areas that supply this country with fruit and nuts in abundance. My own board of these bees came out after the apricots and almond bloom here in Los Banos and then did only replace themselves with no increase in their numbers. Soon the vacant bores will be replaced by Leaf Cutter Bees, and I must admit that I have learned that in an early season like we had this year the leaf cutter bees come out earlier then the normal for this area as they have already started to fill the empty blue bee holes. I have a hard time believing that those who call themselves bee scientists do not get a bad case of diaper rash after reading this annual Logan, Utah PR report. I am sure they would say "well, we don't write our own PR and are not responsible",...Take it from me Blue Orchard Bees will never replace honeybees in orchard pollination, and our HoneyBee's have not disappeared as hyped by so many for what ever their personal reason's, mostly I suspect to gain public interest and funds for projects that would not stand or pass any normal peer review or the daylight of public input. If you want to read this years PR Hype on the Blue Orchard Bee try this address: http://www.modbee.com/ag/abs0.htm A quote from the old hat PR from the USDA at Logan, Utah: "Substitutes drafted for honeybees" "Researchers have identified some substitute bees to do the job of the popular European honeybee," Some will say who cares, these are just little people trying to survive by justifying their small works with white lies in a sea of black sharks all feeding off your tax money to continue. Well in time the little untruths grow up into big lies and have a way of coming back on us in increased costs, and loss of public good will for beekeeping in general. The USDA lab at Logan has lost my respect and support and I believe it has outlive it usefulness and should be closed as soon as possible. ttul, the OLd Drone 52797 (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS) Article 8368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: 28 May 1997 19:50:28 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 76 Message-ID: <01bc6ba0$70a78f20$7c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net> <01bc6a9b$1fe35ac0$308cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh3-60.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed May 28 2:50:28 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8368 As stated in an earlier post: > My 8 year old son, Jared, and I are doing an experiment currently to see if > we have (or have not) correctly determined a way to send queen cells > through the United States Postal system with a HIGH degree of emergence > upon planting them in nucs/hives upon arrival at their destination. All > 50 cells involved were grafted off same AI queen on the same day (14 May). > We have a control group consisting of 10 cells of which 8 have been in > electric incubator (92-94 degrees Fahrenheit approx 50+% humidity) since > day 7 (days counted since grafting) - the other 2 were in a "incubator > hive" until day 10 then moved into electric incubator. All cells referred > to as the "elec" group were in electric incubator since day 7 (21 May) > except during their 24 hour at room temperature phase of the test. All > cells referred to as "hive" were in the incubator hive until day 10 and > likewise until they recieved their 24 hour at room temp treatment. 10 day > means the cells at the 10 day after grafting stage were placed on room temp > bookshelf for 24 hours then placed back into electric incubator to test > emergence (incubator simulating the cell being planted in a nuc/hive after > being shipped via USPS). 11 day means they recieved the 24 hour room temp > treatment 11 days after grafting and were then returned to electric > incubator. Because we use Chinese grafting tools we are able to graft > exceedingly small (young) larvae which accounts for the emergence time of > even the control group cells. Incubator hive = marked queen and some brood > below excluder - cell bars between brood (two or more frames of brood on > each side of cell bar frame) above excluder. > > > We wish we had a full 10 elec and 10 hive in the control group but we ended > up needing more cells to make splits leaving but 50 instead of 60 cells > left. We hope this will suffice in the control group to give us an > accurate indication though we recognize it could have been better. Note > control of variables like all being grafted off same AI queen (helping > control for genetic variation), sample size of 10 each per type of > incubation used in a group of 20 per "shipment simultation" timing. (emerged to this point/total in group) 27 May 1997 7am 9am 5pm 9:30pm Total - all treatments - 7/50 9/50 12/50 20/50 Control - elec--------------- 1/8 1/8 1/8 3/8 Control - hive---------------- 1/2 1/2 1/2 1/2 10 day - elec---------------- 2/10 2/10 2/10 3/10 10 day - hive---------------- 0/10 1/10 1/10 3/10 11 day - elec---------------- 2/10 3/10 3/10 4/10 11 day - hive---------------- 1/10 1/10 4/10 6/10 28 May 1997 12:20am 7:18am 3pm 3:40pm Total - all treatments--- 24/50 29/50 37/50 38/50 Control - elec-------------- 6/8 6/8 6/8 6/8 Control - hive-------------- 1/2 1/2 2/2 2/2 10 day - elec--------------- 4/10 6/10 9/10 9/10 10 day - hive--------------- 4/10 5/10 5/10 6/10 11 day - elec--------------- 4/10 6/10 6/10 6/10 11 day - hive--------------- 9/10 7/10 9/10 9/10 -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.163.58.3!news.olywa.net!not-for-mail From: "Permaculture West" Subject: Permaculture Design Course Message-ID: <01bc6bd6$6c8a2f20$cb3aa3cd@permawest.olywa.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 03:37:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8369 Building the Natural Community A two-week intensive Permaculture Design Course Date: September 6-19 Location: Wild Thyme Farm Oakville, WA Description: Wild Thyme Farm, a 140 acre evolving permaculture site and resource center, is located in the Chehalis river valley just 35 minutes South of Olympia, WA. Situated within its own watershed the farm features a 100 acre second growth forest, turn-of-the-century barn, fruit & nut orchards, greenhouses, sauna, gardens, hot tub, streams, pond, cottages, and various micro-climates ranging from ridge-top meadows to low-land marshes and flood plains. Wild Thyme Farm has been a retreat center since 1989 and integrative permaculture principles have guided its evolution. This two-week intensive design course will examine the fundamentals of developing sustainable villages and communities that are bioregionally unique. Elements of village design to be discussed include: local economics, appropriate building strategies, edible landscaping, agroforestry, cottage industries, aquaculture, mushroom cultivation, site analysis, natural education, bamboo, livestock & wild-life, food forests, systems theory, and much, much more. Information is presented through such mediums as slide shows, lecture, hands-on demonstrations, field trips, and observation walks. Participants completing the entire course will receive a Permaculture Design Course Graduate certificate. Instructors include: Larry Santoyo; a world renowned permaculture designer & educator who has worked directly with Bill Mollison. Larry is the foremost urban permaculture designer in the U.S. and has developed sustainable industry programs for several major U.S. corporations. Paul Stamets; owner of Fungi Perfecti, the largest mushroom research facility in the NW. Paul has been pioneering permaculture strategies for re-integrating edible & medicinal mushrooms into residential & commercial landscapes. Simon Henderson; co-founder of Bamboo People, the NW’s leading bamboo research & consultation firm. Simon has traveled the world documenting bamboo cultivation and uses. He is author of Raising the Dragon: Bamboo Agroforestry in Southeast Asia. Michael Pilarski; founder of Friends of the Trees, a NW non-profit dedicated to reforesting the world. Michael has been a permaculture designer for over 15 years and has more than two decades worth of experience in international networking and sustainable natural resource management. Joanne Lee; has founded the South Sound Exchange, a local economic and bartering system for the Olympia area. She is also involved with co-housing initiatives in Thurston County. Cost: $675 (includes tuition, camping, materials, and all meals. Accommodations: Camping is free. Limited bunkhouse accommodations: $150. Guesthouse rooms: $200. Please inquire as to availability. Course is limited to 25 participants. Contact: Permaculture West 72 Mattson Rd. Oakville, WA 98568 Ph: (360) 352-6509 Fx: (360) 273-7117 E-mail: permawest@olywa.net Article 8370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!winternet.com!not-for-mail From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Permaculture Design Course Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:25:47 -0700 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 64 Message-ID: <338D9FFB.7884@starpoint.net> References: <01bc6bd6$6c8a2f20$cb3aa3cd@permawest.olywa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aurora-7.starpoint.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8370 Permaculture West wrote: > > Building the > Natural Community > A two-week intensive Permaculture Design Course > > Date: September 6-19 > Location: Wild Thyme Farm > Oakville, WA > > Description: Wild Thyme Farm, a 140 acre evolving permaculture site and > resource center, is located in the Chehalis river valley just 35 minutes > South of Olympia, WA. Situated within its own watershed the farm features > a 100 acre second growth forest, turn-of-the-century barn, fruit & nut > orchards, greenhouses, sauna, gardens, hot tub, streams, pond, cottages, > and various micro-climates ranging from ridge-top meadows to low-land > marshes and flood plains. Wild Thyme Farm has been a retreat center since > 1989 and integrative permaculture principles have guided its evolution. > This two-week intensive design course will examine the fundamentals of > developing sustainable villages and communities that are bioregionally > unique. Elements of village design to be discussed include: local > economics, appropriate building strategies, edible landscaping, > agroforestry, cottage industries, aquaculture, mushroom cultivation, site > analysis, natural education, bamboo, livestock & wild-life, food forests, > systems theory, and much, much more. Information is presented through such > mediums as slide shows, lecture, hands-on demonstrations, field trips, and > observation walks. Participants completing the entire course will receive > a Permaculture Design Course Graduate certificate. > Instructors include: Larry Santoyo; a world renowned permaculture designer > & educator who has worked directly with Bill Mollison. Larry is the > foremost urban permaculture designer in the U.S. and has developed > sustainable industry programs for several major U.S. corporations. Paul > Stamets; owner of Fungi Perfecti, the largest mushroom research facility in > the NW. Paul has been pioneering permaculture strategies for > re-integrating edible & medicinal mushrooms into residential & commercial > landscapes. Simon Henderson; co-founder of Bamboo People, the NW’s leading > bamboo research & consultation firm. Simon has traveled the world > documenting bamboo cultivation and uses. He is author of Raising the > Dragon: Bamboo Agroforestry in Southeast Asia. Michael Pilarski; founder > of Friends of the Trees, a NW non-profit dedicated to reforesting the > world. Michael has been a permaculture designer for over 15 years and has > more than two decades worth of experience in international networking and > sustainable natural resource management. Joanne Lee; has founded the South > Sound Exchange, a local economic and bartering system for the Olympia area. > She is also involved with co-housing initiatives in Thurston County. > > Cost: $675 (includes tuition, camping, materials, and all meals. > Accommodations: Camping is free. Limited bunkhouse accommodations: $150. > Guesthouse rooms: $200. Please inquire as to availability. > Course is limited to 25 participants. > > Contact: Permaculture West > 72 Mattson Rd. > Oakville, WA 98568 > Ph: (360) 352-6509 > Fx: (360) 273-7117 > E-mail: permawest@olywa.net When I see friends of the trees organization, which is dedicated to reforest the world, these are people responsible for doubling our wood prices in the last couple of years. Hopefully the next President will reverse some of this Kook stuff you extremist are promoting. The forests are renewable resourses and should be harvested for wood products. Article 8372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: California Report Alfalfa Pollination Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:37:34 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 1243 Message-ID: <5mi9h3$apf$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc86-154.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8372 California drought conditions continue...but beekeepers report better then expected honey production in limited areas. Most honey produced to date seems to be a small amount of white sage and extra light amber wild flowers. Wild Buckwheat is blooming now and some honey is expected but amounts are not expected to be large as early above normal tempatures caused a early bloom which was followed by cool weather. Bees are now being moved into the early alfalfa seed fields. Picture attached shows the limited bloom at the start of the migration, (that field will soon bee in full flower). In the area this picture shows the fields are very large and empty cotton trailors are spotted around and in the fields to help the bees find their way home. In large fields that have afternoon winds the bees will drift to other hives sometimes miles away from their own, the trailors help. I have more pictures showing some of the activities this last week of Brian Ferguson moving bees from the "kewee" pollination to the alfalfa, and two styles of boom loaders Brian uses in his 12,000 hive bee operation. As I will get blasted for sending this picture to this group from the higher powers I will try to find another way of making them available to those who want them via the internet. I can e-mail them to anyone who can handle 800K in their mail box or the 12 individual pictures which are 52K in size. If you are interested in seeing these pictures e-mail me at: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net .... ttul, the OLd Drone *computer pic's by Brian Ferguson " Early morning pic of truck in early alfalfa seed, notice articulating boom, palets bees are placed on, large size of field" 052897 begin 666 may28_11.jpg M_]C_X `02D9)1@`!`@$`D "0``#_X D/2D986 `0_]C_VP!#``4#! 0$`P4$ M! 0%!04&!PP(!P<'!P\+"PD,$0\2$A$/$1$3%AP7$Q0:%1$1&"$8&AT='Q\? M$Q)!P>'Q[_VP!#`04%!0<&!PX(" X>%!$4'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX> M'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'A[_P `1" `\`% # M`2$``A$!`Q$!_\0`'P```04!`0$!`0$```````````$"`P0%!@<("0H+_\0` MM1 ``@$#`P($`P4%! 0```%]`0(#``01!1(A,4$&$U%A!R)Q%#*!D:$((T*Q MP152T? 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M6_TKSM;,_F-N_#>] M^U>%_()RUJ^RN/*7_&B=V.7^RP9V%-KHQ,^2DV>0>'_&/Q&TEQ'I43?(.6Q7 5C^<\Y->#D\/W;J=V?25O References: <338CA94C.2CD6@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: max1-to-ca-05.earthlink.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8373 In article <338CA94C.2CD6@polisci.tamu.edu>, edwin aguilar wrote: > Folks, > I ahve a new hive started jsuta bout amonth ago or so. I have been > checking every now and then to see how they are doing. Things look okay > so far.. some honey here and there, larvae growing, bees doing their > thing with the frames.. BUT, > AH, > the frames! I have been using the hive tool to lift them out, but I > have a feeling that I am not doing it the preferred way. I have bee > using the bent side of the tool to lift then outby the middle. the > otehr day when I did this I mushed some honey cells, and left a nice > mess for the bees to clean up. So, what is the preferred way to do > this? or, is there such a thing? Edwin, Get a frame grabber. It's a handle designed to grip the top bar of the frame. I use the hive tool to loosen the frame, then the frame grabber to llift it out. Paul Article 8374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!newsin.iconnet.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news-xfer.mccc.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: California Report Alfalfa Pollination Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:37:34 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 1243 Message-ID: <5mi9jk$apv$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc86-154.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8374 California drought conditions continue...but beekeepers report better then expected honey production in limited areas. Most honey produced to date seems to be a small amount of white sage and extra light amber wild flowers. Wild Buckwheat is blooming now and some honey is expected but amounts are not expected to be large as early above normal tempatures caused a early bloom which was followed by cool weather. Bees are now being moved into the early alfalfa seed fields. Picture attached shows the limited bloom at the start of the migration, (that field will soon bee in full flower). In the area this picture shows the fields are very large and empty cotton trailors are spotted around and in the fields to help the bees find their way home. In large fields that have afternoon winds the bees will drift to other hives sometimes miles away from their own, the trailors help. I have more pictures showing some of the activities this last week of Brian Ferguson moving bees from the "kewee" pollination to the alfalfa, and two styles of boom loaders Brian uses in his 12,000 hive bee operation. 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M6_TKSM;,_F-N_#>] M^U>%_()RUJ^RN/*7_&B=V.7^RP9V%-KHQ,^2DV>0>'_&/Q&TEQ'I43?(.6Q7 5C^<\Y->#D\/W;J=V?25O Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: California Report Alfalfa Pollination Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:37:34 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 1243 Message-ID: <5mi9q7$aus$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc86-154.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8375 California drought conditions continue...but beekeepers report better then expected honey production in limited areas. Most honey produced to date seems to be a small amount of white sage and extra light amber wild flowers. Wild Buckwheat is blooming now and some honey is expected but amounts are not expected to be large as early above normal tempatures caused a early bloom which was followed by cool weather. Bees are now being moved into the early alfalfa seed fields. Picture attached shows the limited bloom at the start of the migration, (that field will soon bee in full flower). In the area this picture shows the fields are very large and empty cotton trailors are spotted around and in the fields to help the bees find their way home. In large fields that have afternoon winds the bees will drift to other hives sometimes miles away from their own, the trailors help. I have more pictures showing some of the activities this last week of Brian Ferguson moving bees from the "kewee" pollination to the alfalfa, and two styles of boom loaders Brian uses in his 12,000 hive bee operation. As I will get blasted for sending this picture to this group from the higher powers I will try to find another way of making them available to those who want them via the internet. I can e-mail them to anyone who can handle 800K in their mail box or the 12 individual pictures which are 52K in size. If you are interested in seeing these pictures e-mail me at: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net .... ttul, the OLd Drone *computer pic's by Brian Ferguson " Early morning pic of truck in early alfalfa seed, notice articulating boom, palets bees are placed on, large size of field" 052897 begin 666 may28_11.jpg M_]C_X `02D9)1@`!`@$`D "0``#_X D/2D986 `0_]C_VP!#``4#! 0$`P4$ M! 0%!04&!PP(!P<'!P\+"PD,$0\2$A$/$1$3%AP7$Q0:%1$1&"$8&AT='Q\? M$Q)!P>'Q[_VP!#`04%!0<&!PX(" X>%!$4'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX> M'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'A[_P `1" `\`% # M`2$``A$!`Q$!_\0`'P```04!`0$!`0$```````````$"`P0%!@<("0H+_\0` MM1 ``@$#`P($`P4%! 0```%]`0(#``01!1(A,4$&$U%A!R)Q%#*!D:$((T*Q MP152T? 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M6_TKSM;,_F-N_#>] M^U>%_()RUJ^RN/*7_&B=V.7^RP9V%-KHQ,^2DV>0>'_&/Q&TEQ'I43?(.6Q7 5C^<\Y->#D\/W;J=V?25O Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lifting frames Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:53:17 -0500 Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <338CA94C.2CD6@polisci.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lewie2.tamu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 1997 21:54:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8376 Folks, I ahve a new hive started jsuta bout amonth ago or so. I have been checking every now and then to see how they are doing. Things look okay so far.. some honey here and there, larvae growing, bees doing their thing with the frames.. BUT, AH, the frames! I have been using the hive tool to lift them out, but I have a feeling that I am not doing it the preferred way. I have bee using the bent side of the tool to lift then outby the middle. the otehr day when I did this I mushed some honey cells, and left a nice mess for the bees to clean up. So, what is the preferred way to do this? or, is there such a thing? thanks for advice, edwin aguilar, newbie texas A&M univ (yes, it's me) Article 8377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.radio.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.silcom.com!paulc From: paulc@silcom.com (Paul Cronshaw,D.C.) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking to buy queens Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:32:32 -0700 Organization: Milpas Chiropractic Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <5mft8t$153$1@news1.fast.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm8-17.sba.silcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8377 Jim, I bought some nice Italian queens from Glenn Apiaries in San Diego, CA. 760-728-3731 They also produce Carolinians. Another good source is Strachen Apiaries in Blythe: 916-674-3881 n article <5mft8t$153$1@news1.fast.net>, jimp@fast.net wrote: > I am new to this, most interesting adventure with my two new hives. > One started from a three pound package, and the other from a nuc. I > thought the nuc would proceed more quickly, but they are both doing > about the same. > > I would like to make a split with a new queen. They don't appeat > crowded, but would like to have the extra hive for nest year. Does > this sound like a good idea? > > Any sources of quality queens etc. would be appreciated. > > THANK YOU, > > Jim -- Paul Cronshaw DC Cyberchiro paulc@silcomZ.com Every time you post to a newsgroup, automatic programs pick up your address so others can send you junk mail. To reply to this message, remove the "Z" from my address, or your message will bounce. Article 8378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!newsin.iconnet.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!posts.execpc.com!usenet From: Larry Brown Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where do I start?? Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:13:04 -0700 Organization: Exec-PC BBS Internet - Milwaukee, WI Lines: 54 Message-ID: <338CBC00.4DD1@fia.net> References: <3387B900.4FAA@lucjb.agr.latrobe.edu.au> <33890684.31F2@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: farmer1@fia.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts39p29.fia.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8378 Pete Wolcott wrote: > > Simon Bell wrote: > > > > I am an Aussie 16 year old interested in setting up a low cost hobby bee > > hive, where do I start, what kind of a hive should I get, if I want to > > sell the honey are there any requirements I have to meet with the > > gourvnment, how do I go about getting a swarm, all the usal questions > > could someone email me on Simon@lucjb.agr.latrobe.edu.au any help > > apreacated > > Simon, > > The place to get started is to find a local bee keeper. Most will > be glad to share their knowledge with you. They can tell you what > the best kind of hive is for your local and what equipment you will > need.. There may be some local bee associations. There should also > be some books on beekeeping in your library. There are also lots of > stuff on the net. Just search for beekeeping. As for government > regulations, check with local Agricultural Department. I got lots > of help from my state Apiarist. Here there are state, city and > county regulations. Most of them boil down to "Don't pester your > neighbor." > > I started with two packages (3lbs of bees with queen) that I bought > locally. I took a bee class from the store that sold me the bees and > I also have a friend who has twelve hives that I have worked with him. > My bees are doing fine. > > Bees are very interesting. If you have any more questions feel free > to E-Mail me or write this news group. Specific questions usually get > the best answers. > > Good Luck, > > Pete > Seattle, Washington USA Simon, We were in the same position you were in last year; we were given a hive of bees and figured since the old man that gave it to us would be around to help us; well, in about two weeks he died and we were frantic! We called our county extension agent and he was a big help to us and also we purchased a book entitled "How to Keep Bees and Sell Honey" by Walter T. Kelley; it's written in everyday language so you'll have no problem understanding it. Also, this same Walter Kelley sells beekeeping supplies and sometimes bees (they don't have anything but queens now) and you can call toll free 1-800-233-2899 to order stuff on your credit card. They are located in Clarkson, Kentucky 42726, USA Hope this is of some help. We are getting ready to rob our hive for the first time and I'm a little scared even though we have a smoker, veil, etc. I've heard they can get mad, that's why the smoker is so important. E-mail if you need any more info. Juliette Article 8379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.radio.cz!btnet-feed3!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: California Report Alfalfa Pollination Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:37:34 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 1243 Message-ID: <5mi9kr$aqe$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc86-154.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8379 California drought conditions continue...but beekeepers report better then expected honey production in limited areas. Most honey produced to date seems to be a small amount of white sage and extra light amber wild flowers. Wild Buckwheat is blooming now and some honey is expected but amounts are not expected to be large as early above normal tempatures caused a early bloom which was followed by cool weather. Bees are now being moved into the early alfalfa seed fields. Picture attached shows the limited bloom at the start of the migration, (that field will soon bee in full flower). In the area this picture shows the fields are very large and empty cotton trailors are spotted around and in the fields to help the bees find their way home. In large fields that have afternoon winds the bees will drift to other hives sometimes miles away from their own, the trailors help. I have more pictures showing some of the activities this last week of Brian Ferguson moving bees from the "kewee" pollination to the alfalfa, and two styles of boom loaders Brian uses in his 12,000 hive bee operation. 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M6_TKSM;,_F-N_#>] M^U>%_()RUJ^RN/*7_&B=V.7^RP9V%-KHQ,^2DV>0>'_&/Q&TEQ'I43?(.6Q7 5C^<\Y->#D\/W;J=V?25O Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:47:10 -0500 From: Eric Marshall Reply-To: ericm@dave-world.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey production X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 NNTP-Posting-Host: m29bmi.dave-world.net Lines: 5 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!newsin.iconnet.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nt.dave-world.net!m29bmi.dave-world.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8380 How much excess honey does the average hive produce in Illinois per year? Thanks. Article 8381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!165.166.15.5!news1.infoave.net!usenet From: Rich Troyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lifting frames Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:31:18 -0700 Organization: S.C. Department of Revenue Lines: 43 Message-ID: <338DA146.F6@app1.dor.state.sc.us> References: <338CA94C.2CD6@polisci.tamu.edu> <338CCD79.1918@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.116.33.205 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8381 Pete Wolcott wrote: > > edwin aguilar wrote: > > > > Folks, > > I ahve a new hive started jsuta bout amonth ago or so. I have been > > checking every now and then to see how they are doing. Things look okay > > so far.. some honey here and there, larvae growing, bees doing their > > thing with the frames.. BUT, > > AH, > > the frames! I have been using the hive tool to lift them out, but I > > have a feeling that I am not doing it the preferred way. I have bee > > using the bent side of the tool to lift then outby the middle. the > > otehr day when I did this I mushed some honey cells, and left a nice > > mess for the bees to clean up. So, what is the preferred way to do > > this? or, is there such a thing? > > thanks for advice, > > edwin aguilar, newbie > > texas A&M univ > > > > (yes, it's me) > Edwin, > I'm sure there are many ways to lift out frames. I use the straight > end of my hive tool. I first pry each end loose by inserting the hive > tool between the end bars and twisting slightly, or sometimes I pry all > ten frames loose by prying the last end bar from the super side board. > I then pry up one end of the frame so I can grab it. I move very slowly > when moving frames and inserting the hive tool so as not to upset or > crush my hard working bees. If you insert the tool slowly the bees will > move out of the way. I keep the bent end sharp and use it to scrape off > propolis etc. > I hope this helps and hope you didn't get blown away. > Pete > Seattle I do as Pete, except when it comes time to actually lift the frames, I use a frame gripping tool which is a hand-held spring-tensioned kind of four pronged 'tongs.' Kelly, Dadant, Brushy Mountain and I'm sure others sell the tool. I like Kelly's version as the prongs are more pointed and less flat, which results is less damage to bees. The frame gripping tool is pretty inexpensive, but results in much gentler handling of the frames...IMHO. Rich Columbia, SC Article 8382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "newbie" Subject: Re: Free Diagramming Software for Ag, Science, Business/Recordkeeping software Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites References: <01bc6bc6$5939fb40$902b40ce@psteele.flash.net> Message-ID: <01bc6c27$12302240$3d4f22cf@vos.connect.ab.ca> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp061.connect.ab.ca Date: 29 May 97 05:47:17 GMT Lines: 31 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!scanner.worldgate.com!news.agtac.net!skylite.connect.ab.ca!ppp061.connect.ab.ca Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture:20135 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8382 sci.agriculture.fruit:841 sci.agriculture.poultry:2765 sci.agriculture.ratites:823 SmartDraw Software wrote in article <01bc6bc6$5939fb40$902b40ce@psteele.flash.net>... > Free Trial Offer > > SmartDraw is the $49 Windows program for drawing Science Diagrams, Maps and > other business or science graphics, inlcuding agricultural research and > field reports. Many users find it easier to learn than Visio. > > "Best Business Program" 1996 Ziff-Davis (PC Magazine) > "Best Graphics Program" 1995 SIA > > You can try SmartDraw FREE by downloading a copy from the SmartDraw > Software web site: > > http://www.smartdraw.com/scinews2.htm > > Educational licensing is available to universities and teaching labs for > only $20 per user. > > For more information contact: > SmartDraw Software > mail@smartdraw.com > > Could anyone out there give some suggestions on what program is good for beekeeping - recordkeeping? Has anyone tried Microsoft Excell?? Thanks for any suggestions! Ray Vos. vos@connect.ab.ca Article 8383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.74.141.7!zinger.callamer.com!not-for-mail From: "Andy Nachbaur" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: California Report Alfalfa Pollination Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:37:34 -0700 Organization: Call America Internet Services +1 (800) 563-3271 Lines: 1243 Message-ID: <5midl7$e0q$1@zinger.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nc86-118.thegrid.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8383 California drought conditions continue...but beekeepers report better then expected honey production in limited areas. Most honey produced to date seems to be a small amount of white sage and extra light amber wild flowers. Wild Buckwheat is blooming now and some honey is expected but amounts are not expected to be large as early above normal tempatures caused a early bloom which was followed by cool weather. Bees are now being moved into the early alfalfa seed fields. Picture attached shows the limited bloom at the start of the migration, (that field will soon bee in full flower). In the area this picture shows the fields are very large and empty cotton trailors are spotted around and in the fields to help the bees find their way home. In large fields that have afternoon winds the bees will drift to other hives sometimes miles away from their own, the trailors help. I have more pictures showing some of the activities this last week of Brian Ferguson moving bees from the "kewee" pollination to the alfalfa, and two styles of boom loaders Brian uses in his 12,000 hive bee operation. 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For more information contact: SmartDraw Software mail@smartdraw.com Article 8386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!ultra150.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Jack Griffes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Cell "shipment simulation" experiment Date: 30 May 1997 13:29:09 GMT Organization: Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Lines: 164 Message-ID: <01bc6cfd$839d96c0$218cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> References: <338A67A4.284C@starpoint.net> <01bc6a9b$1fe35ac0$308cb8cd@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> <01bc6ba0$70a78f20$7c6ed9ce@Griffes1.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tol-oh1-01.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri May 30 6:29:09 AM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8386 As stated in an earlier post: My 8 year old son, Jared, and I are doing an experiment currently to see if we have (or have not) correctly determined a way to send queen cells through the United States Postal system with a HIGH degree of emergence upon planting them in nucs/hives upon arrival at their destination. All 50 cells involved were grafted off same AI queen on the same day (14 May). Jared grafted part of the cells. We have a control group consisting of 10 cells of which 8 have been in electric incubator (92-94 degrees Fahrenheit approx 50+% humidity) since day 7 (days counted since grafting) - the other 2 were in a "incubator hive" until day 10 then moved into electric incubator. All cells referred to as the "elec" group were in electric incubator since day 7 (21 May) except during their 24 hour at room temperature phase of the test. All cells referred to as "hive" were in the incubator hive until day 10 and likewise until they recieved their 24 hour at room temp treatment. 10 day means the cells at the 10 day after grafting stage were placed on room temp bookshelf for 24 hours then placed back into electric incubator to test emergence (incubator simulating the cell being planted in a nuc/hive after being shipped via USPS). 11 day means they recieved the 24 hour room temp treatment 11 days after grafting and were then returned to electric incubator. Because we use Chinese grafting tools we are able to graft exceedingly small (young) larvae which accounts for the emergence time of even the control group cells. Incubator hive = marked queen and some brood below excluder - cell bars between brood (two or more frames of brood on each side of cell bar frame) above excluder. We wish we had a full 10 elec and 10 hive in the control group but we ended up needing more cells to make splits leaving but 50 instead of 60 cells left. We hope this will suffice in the control group to give us an accurate indication though we recognize it could have been better. Note control of variables - like all being grafted off same AI queen (helping control for genetic variation), sample size of 10 each per type of incubation used in a group of 20 per "shipment simultation" timing. (emerged to this point/total in group) 27 May 1997 7am 9am 5pm 9:30pm Total - all treatments - 7/50 9/50 12/50 20/50 Control - elec--------------- 1/8 1/8 1/8 3/8 Control - hive---------------- 1/2 1/2 1/2 1/2 10 day - elec---------------- 2/10 2/10 2/10 3/10 10 day - hive---------------- 0/10 1/10 1/10 3/10 11 day - elec---------------- 2/10 3/10 3/10 4/10 11 day - hive---------------- 1/10 1/10 4/10 6/10 28 May 1997 12:20am 7:18am 3pm 3:40pm Total - all treatments--- 24/50 29/50 37/50 38/50 Control - elec-------------- 6/8 6/8 6/8 6/8 Control - hive-------------- 1/2 1/2 2/2 2/2 10 day - elec--------------- 4/10 6/10 9/10 9/10 10 day - hive--------------- 4/10 5/10 5/10 6/10 11 day - elec--------------- 4/10 6/10 6/10 6/10 11 day - hive--------------- 9/10 7/10 9/10 9/10 29 May 1997 28 May 1997 8:22pm 11pm / 6:56am 3:26pm Total - all treatments--- 39/50 39/50 41/50 42/50 Control - elec-------------- 6/8 6/8 6/8 6/8 Control - hive-------------- 2/2 2/2 2/2 2/2 10 day - elec--------------- 9/10 9/10 9/10 9/10 10 day - hive--------------- 7/10 7/10 8/10 9/10 11 day - elec--------------- 6/10 6/10 7/10 7/10 11 day - hive--------------- 9/10 9/10 9/10 9/10 30 May 1997 29 May 1997 6:58pm / 7:04am Total - all treatments--- 42/50 42/50 Control - elec-------------- 6/8 6/8 Control - hive-------------- 2/2 2/2 10 day - elec--------------- 9/10 9/10 10 day - hive--------------- 9/10 9/10 11 day - elec--------------- 7/10 7/10 11 day - hive--------------- 9/10 9/10 I suspect that the remainder of the cells may not emerge though I am certain Jared will continue to check on them today and perhaps tomorrow. Jared is doing this experiment for his Science Fair Project for this coming Fall (side benefit of helping Dad). Obviously if this was done at a University more consistent time intervals for checks would have been implemented. For our purposes however even just one check at the end would have sufficed. Once Jared (8 years old) figures out that the remaining cells are unlikely to emerge I will suggest we open them up and look at them and see if they developed fully or not. I will report on that as well. From this initial phase of the experiment it appears that sending either 10 or 11 day cells (counted from graft date) "Overnight Mail" for installation within 24 hours from the time we pull them out of incubator (hive or electric) - thus here that means about 2:30pm since our Post Office truck comes at roughly 4pm and missing the pick-up would leave the cells setting there for another 24 hours. The cells should get to most USA Post Offices by the next morning and the beekeeper would need to have made arrangements for his/her Post Office to call and let them know they are in (so they don't get put in the delivery vehicle and toted about). Thus the timing would have to be such that the beekeeper had the ability on arrival date to plant the cells immediately on arrival (or at least put them in a incubator on his/her end to hold them for planting later that day). Next phase (when we have another 50-60 extra cells) will consist of actually shipping without any temperature regulation both 10 & 11 day cells. They will be shipped from a nearby Post Office that is not our own (to insure they actually get put through the system). -- Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program Horseshoeing by Jack Griffes Ottawa Lake, MI 49267 USA Web site http://www2.netcom.com/~griffes/ Much thanks to the person much more clever than myself that suggested the following spam defeating method of listing my e-mail address. e-mail: Griffes at ix dot netcom dot com Article 8387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!ultra150.ncren.net!rutgers.rutgers.edu!usenet.logical.net!news.mathworks.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Pete Wolcott Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lifting frames Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:27:37 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <338CCD79.1918@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <338CA94C.2CD6@polisci.tamu.edu> Reply-To: PBJJJ@postoffice.worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.147.133.205 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:8387 edwin aguilar wrote: > > Folks, > I ahve a new hive started jsuta bout amonth ago or so. I have been > checking every now and then to see how they are doing. Things look okay > so far.. some honey here and there, larvae growing, bees doing their > thing with the frames.. BUT, > AH, > the frames! I have been using the hive tool to lift them out, but I > have a feeling that I am not doing it the preferred way. I have bee > using the bent side of the tool to lift then outby the middle. the > otehr day when I did this I mushed some honey cells, and left a nice > mess for the bees to clean up. So, what is the preferred way to do > this? or, is there such a thing? > thanks for advice, > edwin aguilar, newbie > texas A&M univ > > (yes, it's me) Edwin, I'm sure there are many ways to lift out frames. I use the straight end of my hive tool. I first pry each end loose by inserting the hive tool between the end bars and twisting slightly, or sometimes I pry all ten frames loose by prying the last end bar from the super side board. I then pry up one end of the frame so I can grab it. I move very slowly when moving frames and inserting the hive tool so as not to upset or crush my hard working bees. If you insert the tool slowly the bees will move out of the way. I keep the bent end sharp and use it to scrape off propolis etc. I hope this helps and hope you didn't get blown away. Pete Seattle