Article 31089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <#d$kG0cRBHA.956@cpimsnntpa03> Subject: Re: skunk problem Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 07:58:29 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.134.136 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 1001960976 212.137.134.136 (Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:29:36 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:29:36 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31089 Interesting! I have had a problem with rats in one apiary - they chewed away the front of the floor to gain access and then destroyed everything inside - and was thinking of nailing carpet gripper along the front of the floor. Anyone had any experience of using it? "Serving Small Business, Inc" wrote in message news:#d$kG0cRBHA.956@cpimsnntpa03... > I have heard of people using tack strips for carpeting. Put a couple of > rows of those on the ground in front of hive and the skunks won't like to > step on those very sharp nails. > > Donn > > > "alan&Freddy Schultz/Chavarria" wrote in message > news:9optqj$qfo$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > > Anybody have a good solution for a problem with a skunk? > > > > > > Article 31090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 18:58:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1001962731 24.248.135.205 (Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:58:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:58:51 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31090 If you try to get them after dark they will fly at a light source so do not use a flashlight. David "Ralph" wrote in message news:trh9jvi65o6lb5@corp.supernews.com... > OK, at the hardware store I read on a can of Wasp and Hornet killer that > yellow jackets often nest underground. So I guess that's what I have, > although they seem smaller than I remembert. Now if I can just figure out > how to destroy a nest underground....I'll have my revenge! > > Article 31091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee repellant Date: 1 Oct 2001 13:42:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <700de225.0110011242.360d33bc@posting.google.com> References: <20010930221004.22486.00003085@mb-fi.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.69.193 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1001968955 903 127.0.0.1 (1 Oct 2001 20:42:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Oct 2001 20:42:35 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31091 pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote in message news:<20010930221004.22486.00003085@mb-fi.aol.com>... > From: "Petroglyph" perna@ilhawaii.net > > >Protea farmers in my area are experience crop destruction from honey bees. > >Protea are a sweet flower originating in South Africa. One type is called > >Sugar Bush (Repens). Is there a safe method to repel bees without affecting > >neighboring farmers who need pollination? > > I'm puzzled as to how the bees could damage the plant?? I searched a > couple papers on Protea culture, and they did not mention bees as a pest. Just > what kind of damage do they do? > (snip) Could this be like the damage that bees do to broad bean flowers (favas in the US I think) in that the flowers are so shaped so that only one of the bumble bees can effectively get access to the nectar glands from the flower front, but the honey bees learn to go in from the back and bite through the flower to get at the nectar. Rob Article 31092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Ralph" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:46:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31092 Thanks for the tip! According to instructions on the can, I can spray the chemical down the hole at dawn or dusk when they are inactive. I'll be sure there's enough light to see. "David" wrote in message news:L13u7.13131$Ef.1002181@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com... > If you try to get them after dark they will fly at a light source so do not > use a flashlight. > > David > > "Ralph" wrote in message > news:trh9jvi65o6lb5@corp.supernews.com... > > OK, at the hardware store I read on a can of Wasp and Hornet killer that > > yellow jackets often nest underground. So I guess that's what I have, > > although they seem smaller than I remembert. Now if I can just figure out > > how to destroy a nest underground....I'll have my revenge! > > > > > > > Article 31093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bee question Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:25:07 -0500 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20010930220129.22486.00003080@mb-fi.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa6g5bhpc6tNLLBkgihban+pEbjmUNPNw9UFQ4Hdscs4rF8CXtboMjq X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Oct 2001 02:25:04 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31093 > OK, at the hardware store I read on a can of Wasp and Hornet killer that > yellow jackets often nest underground. So I guess that's what I have, > although they seem smaller than I remembert. Now if I can just figure out > how to destroy a nest underground....I'll have my revenge! If you are in a state that gets below freezing, these yellow jackets will soon be dead anyway. If you must kill them now, soapy water is the best killer out there and it's cheap. Mix 1/2 cup of liquid dish soap to a gallon of water. Of course you need to make contact with the hornets for this solution to be effective. You might give it a try first before going the chemical route. You might find this of interest. http://www.longpestcontrol.com/bees.html Regards, Barry Illinios, USA barry@birkey.com BioBee archives: http://www.bee-l.com/bioarchive/index.htm Article 31094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BB9AB1E.36727383@rapidnet.com> From: Greg Reply-To: gregm@rapidnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 05:55:12 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.34.11.168 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 1002023657 208.34.11.168 (Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:54:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:54:17 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31094 http://doacs.state.fl.us/~pi/plantinsp/aethinanew.htm Bill Hughes wrote: > > Looking for an on-line site with pictures of the Small Hive Beetle. Article 31095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BB9AA3F.99B39EA8@rapidnet.com> From: Greg Reply-To: gregm@rapidnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Hive Beetle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 05:51:28 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.34.11.168 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 1002023433 208.34.11.168 (Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:50:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:50:33 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31095 http://www.msstate.edu/Entomology/Beekeeping/smallhivebeetles.htm Bill Hughes wrote: > > Looking for an on-line site with pictures of the Small Hive Beetle. Article 31124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!nt1esc2.esc2.NET!not-for-mail From: !Jones Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 07:55:49 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3b946c01.34848204@news.mindspring.com> <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nt1esc2.esc2.net (216.63.217.252) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002372624 19890555 216.63.217.252 (16 [71507]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3256 alt.guns:1854 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31124 alt.politics:396359 alt.politics.bush:422864 alt.society.liberalism:776786 On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:18:30 -0500, in alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Charlie Kroeger wrote: >Jones, we're waiting for your description. > >C.K. Description of what? The reference is to a "war story" about how I was once working on a helicopter in Vietnam and mistook bees for bullets or visa versa... I'd only been in country for a week or so at the time. I was saying, "There's BEES up here!" when someone pointed out that they probably weren't bees and maybe I should get down. A projectile can produce any number of sounds depending on its velocity, size and whether or not it's tumbling laterally. A bullet could certainly be perceived as a "buzz" near the limit of its range after it had lost velocity. For example: I heard one once that went, "Oh oooh! Oh BABY! Oh my GOD!" but I suspect that was an exception rather than the rule. Jones Article 31125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Oct 2001 17:11:02 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Message-ID: <20011006131102.10376.00000609@mb-bg.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31125 Bullets sound different after they start to tumble. Best not to be shot at. Article 31126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Spa invasion - how to keep 'em out? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 19:11:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.13.109.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 1002395492 65.13.109.136 (Sat, 06 Oct 2001 12:11:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 12:11:32 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31126 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:340 I remember something I read, I believe in "American Bee Journal" that bees are attracted to on of the chemicals people put in their spas. I think it was bromide? You may want to check this out. Dave "Jeff Lea" wrote in message news:jtgi7.6222$Ib.732496@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > For the last several weeks honeybees have been eagerly finding their way > into my outdoor spa through the folding seams in the spa cover. They stay > in there and die, causing some cleanup hassle but, mainly, I hate to see > them expire for no reason. We don't use any perfume in the spa nor does > anyone use it with more than the mildest of scents. Chlorine is about it. > > Any suggestions? > > Article 31127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr15.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Giggles" Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters References: <3b946c01.34848204@news.mindspring.com> <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.254.135.59 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr15.news.prodigy.com 1002418450 ST000 63.254.135.59 (Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:34:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:34:10 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: Q[R_@SR@TSZUQLD\GS_DM^\BZJ]T@FLNLBWLOOAFQATJUZ]CDVW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 01:34:11 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3257 alt.guns:1856 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31127 alt.politics:396779 alt.politics.bush:423491 alt.society.liberalism:777262 And this story is appearing in the Bee Gees newsgroup why? Are you planning on shooting the Bee Gees and wonder what it will sound like to them? !Jones wrote in message ... >On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:18:30 -0500, in >alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Charlie Kroeger > wrote: > >>Jones, we're waiting for your description. >> >>C.K. > >Description of what? The reference is to a "war story" about how I >was once working on a helicopter in Vietnam and mistook bees for >bullets or visa versa... I'd only been in country for a week or so at >the time. I was saying, "There's BEES up here!" when someone pointed >out that they probably weren't bees and maybe I should get down. > >A projectile can produce any number of sounds depending on its >velocity, size and whether or not it's tumbling laterally. A bullet >could certainly be perceived as a "buzz" near the limit of its range >after it had lost velocity. > >For example: I heard one once that went, "Oh oooh! Oh BABY! Oh my >GOD!" but I suspect that was an exception rather than the rule. > >Jones Article 31128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!204.31.215.198!not-for-mail From: !Jones Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:53:07 -0500 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.31.215.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002423528 20929998 204.31.215.198 (16 [71507]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3258 alt.guns:1857 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31128 alt.politics:396813 alt.politics.bush:423539 alt.society.liberalism:777298 On Sun, 07 Oct 2001 01:34:11 GMT, "Giggles" wrote: >And this story is appearing in the Bee Gees newsgroup why? Are you planning >on shooting the Bee Gees and wonder what it will sound like to them? Damn! Are those guys still around? I used to listen to them in *high school* in '66... I didn't think that they were much good then and I haven't changed my opinion after having to put up with disco. All in all, I guess they beat rap. I guess someone posted a discussion of bees to the Bee Gees group. Hey, anyone can make a mistake, you know. We're sorry. Pardon the fuck out of us, please. Jones > > >!Jones wrote in message ... >>On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:18:30 -0500, in >>alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Charlie Kroeger >> wrote: >> >>>Jones, we're waiting for your description. >>> >>>C.K. >> >>Description of what? The reference is to a "war story" about how I >>was once working on a helicopter in Vietnam and mistook bees for >>bullets or visa versa... I'd only been in country for a week or so at >>the time. I was saying, "There's BEES up here!" when someone pointed >>out that they probably weren't bees and maybe I should get down. >> >>A projectile can produce any number of sounds depending on its >>velocity, size and whether or not it's tumbling laterally. A bullet >>could certainly be perceived as a "buzz" near the limit of its range >>after it had lost velocity. >> >>For example: I heard one once that went, "Oh oooh! Oh BABY! Oh my >>GOD!" but I suspect that was an exception rather than the rule. >> >>Jones > Article 31129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news.ccs.neu.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.224!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 23:03:48 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com> References: <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.224 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002427430 20368217 216.167.143.224 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3259 alt.guns:1859 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31129 alt.politics:396879 alt.politics.bush:423630 alt.society.liberalism:777359 >Description of what? I didn't think you knew. Just a shitbird. C.K. Article 31130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!acad6612.ipt.aol.COM!not-for-mail From: "\"The One\" & only Neo" <"TheOne"Neo@theMatrix.com> Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 08:10:13 +0100 Organization: Scum Haters Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9pouvl$i5djb$1@ID-100995.news.dfncis.de> References: <2dtl7.52$Cn5.116778@nntp2.onemain.com> <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> <5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com> Reply-To: "\"The One\" & only Neo" <"TheOne"Neo@theMatrix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: acad6612.ipt.aol.com (172.173.102.18) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002438454 19052139 172.173.102.18 (16 [100995]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3260 alt.guns:1860 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31130 alt.politics:396975 alt.politics.bush:423791 alt.society.liberalism:777487 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com... > >Description of what? > > I didn't think you knew. > > Just a shitbird. Be still my beating heart..... such language. Go get you mom to wash your mouth out with soap, sweet child. Neo Article 31131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!204.31.215.41!not-for-mail From: !Jones Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 07:56:12 -0500 Lines: 63 Message-ID: <0hj0stgj974j6v75besrlg0g8c48pg4h64@4ax.com> References: <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> <5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.31.215.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002459716 21051825 204.31.215.41 (16 [71507]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3261 alt.guns:1861 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31131 alt.politics:397012 alt.politics.bush:423892 alt.society.liberalism:777543 On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 23:03:48 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>Description of what? > >I didn't think you knew. > >Just a shitbird. Well, Charlie... there's *really* no such thing as a shitbird in the scientific world. There are birds that live by following grazing animal heards lending the mistaken notion that they are interested in the dung. Your reference is usually known as Cowbird and there exist several varities. Cowbirds adopted a strategy of laying their eggs in the nests of other birds so they could be free to follow wandering buffalo herds. As a result, they became referred to as nomadic parasites. Of course, they followed the buffalo, because the large bison herds stirred up lots of insects for these birds to feed on. So eventually, the cowbird worked out a strategy of laying its eggs for other birds to raise, enabling it to follow the bison and not go hungry. Nature has endowed the cowbird with wondrous characteristics. Because its eggs require a short incubation period, they hatch in only 11 or 12 days, which is a day or two sooner than most bird eggs. But the trick is, the cowbird has to add her eggs to the nest at the same time the would be foster parent is laying her eggs. So female cowbirds watch other birds from high perches, to determine if its egg laying time. Then, the cowbirds flies in and deposits her egg into the nest. Because the cowbird▓s egg is general in appearance, it matches the eggs of many host birds, like warblers, sparrows, finches, cardinals, and others. And although the cowbird is larger than most host birds it uses, her eggs are relatively small, and this also is a factor in why the cowbird is successful. Cowbird chicks grow quickly because they gobble up most of the food the foster parents bring, resulting in the parents▓ own young to perish, either from starvation, or being pushed from the nest. When the Pilgrims arrived in Plymouth Rock, they also brought with them some of their cattle. The cowbirds found the cattle a great substitute for the bison, and as a result, the range of cowbirds expanded. This move provided the cowbird with many more hosts. Hosts that were poor at detecting cowbird eggs in their nests. The eastern bluebird often raises cowbirds, at the expense of their own young, while the western and mountain bluebird, because of their long association with cowbirds, had more time to evolve anti-cowbird tactics. Fragmented forestation, because of growing cities and towns, has increased the forest's edge, where cowbirds thrive. It▓s easy for cowbirds to detect nests in that kind of situation, and that has been devastating to some bird populations, such as wood thrushes, but a boon to cowbird populations. So the expansion of their range, plus the cowbird▓s finding even more suckers to raise its young, has been the result. Have I answered your question? Jones Article 31132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nigel Brooks" Newsgroups: alt.music.bee-gees,alt.guns,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.liberalism,alt.sports.soccer.manchester.united.scum-haters References: <7evmrt8uas1bj61158cu5v9nml73hqfe3s@4ax.com> <5vkvrt0sput0hr2c5d38kiomdjp6e9d6nf@4ax.com> <0hj0stgj974j6v75besrlg0g8c48pg4h64@4ax.com> Subject: Re: It's the bees, stupid! Lines: 78 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <2u0w7.292$t3.13129@eagle.america.net> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:42:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.224.216.239 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1002476542 65.224.216.239 (Sun, 07 Oct 2001 13:42:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 13:42:22 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.music.bee-gees:3262 alt.guns:1863 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31132 alt.politics:397123 alt.politics.bush:424147 alt.society.liberalism:777726 "!Jones" wrote in message news:0hj0stgj974j6v75besrlg0g8c48pg4h64@4ax.com... > On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 23:03:48 -0500, Charlie Kroeger > wrote: > > >>Description of what? > > > >I didn't think you knew. > > > >Just a shitbird. > > Well, Charlie... there's *really* no such thing as a shitbird in the > scientific world. There are birds that live by following grazing > animal heards lending the mistaken notion that they are interested in > the dung. Your reference is usually known as Cowbird and there exist > several varities. > > Cowbirds adopted a strategy of laying their eggs in the nests of other > birds so they could be free to follow wandering buffalo herds. As a > result, they became referred to as nomadic parasites. Of course, they > followed the buffalo, because the large bison herds stirred up lots of > insects for these birds to feed on. So eventually, the cowbird worked > out a strategy of laying its eggs for other birds to raise, enabling > it to follow the bison and not go hungry. > > Nature has endowed the cowbird with wondrous characteristics. Because > its eggs require a short incubation period, they hatch in only 11 or > 12 days, which is a day or two sooner than most bird eggs. But the > trick is, the cowbird has to add her eggs to the nest at the same time > the would be foster parent is laying her eggs. So female cowbirds > watch other birds from high perches, to determine if its egg laying > time. Then, the cowbirds flies in and deposits her egg into the nest. > > Because the cowbird's egg is general in appearance, it matches the > eggs of many host birds, like warblers, sparrows, finches, cardinals, > and others. And although the cowbird is larger than most host birds it > uses, her eggs are relatively small, and this also is a factor in why > the cowbird is successful. > > Cowbird chicks grow quickly because they gobble up most of the food > the foster parents bring, resulting in the parents' own young to > perish, either from starvation, or being pushed from the nest. > > When the Pilgrims arrived in Plymouth Rock, they also brought with > them some of their cattle. The cowbirds found the cattle a great > substitute for the bison, and as a result, the range of cowbirds > expanded. This move provided the cowbird with many more hosts. Hosts > that were poor at detecting cowbird eggs in their nests. > > The eastern bluebird often raises cowbirds, at the expense of their > own young, while the western and mountain bluebird, because of their > long association with cowbirds, had more time to evolve anti-cowbird > tactics. > > Fragmented forestation, because of growing cities and towns, has > increased the forest's edge, where cowbirds thrive. It's easy for > cowbirds to detect nests in that kind of situation, and that has been > devastating to some bird populations, such as wood thrushes, but a > boon to cowbird populations. So the expansion of their range, plus the > cowbird's finding even more suckers to raise its young, has been the > result. > > Have I answered your question? > > Jones Absolutely fascinating! Now do these "foster" birds adopt the characteristics and practices of their foster parents and foster siblings? I mean, if a cowbird selects the nest of a waterfowl to be a substitute parent, do the offspring adapt to water? And what about child support? Brooks Article 31133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!nntp.msen.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ross Round Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:38:31 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9prb2a$5mp$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.04.bd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 8 Oct 2001 04:46:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31133 What is the current wholesale and retail prices on Ross Round Cobana honey combs ? Article 31134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "new2" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9vs10 frames Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:25:00 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 86 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31134 Hi, I try to be prudent, about buying bee stuff, but I got caught up in the logic of nine frame hives, and ordered what turned out to be a 3" X 8"(?) box. tightly full of nine frame rabbets . They were the worst mistake I've made buying bee supplies, so far ! You can't just push a frame over, to start working a hive, you've got to pull each frame separately . They are glued in, so tightly, that it not-only requires a frame grabber, but it's got to be the rod type, with the edge that bites into the wood . The friend I've got helping me do extracting, refused to work the nine frame supers, and I'm glad she made the task "priority". Took me three days to pull them all out, and I will NEVER make that mistake again ! I once offered them for free; and no one took me up on it . Kinda tells the story right there . Anyway, I paid not-much less than a buck apiece (I forget) . If you want them; make me an offer; you're paying shipping; and I'll try to recoup as much of my bad buying choice, as I'm willing to do . I'm not going to give them away, maybe I can figure out a way to convert them into the old style, "humped" rabbets that I like . Fair warning, they're best applied, if they get turned into someone's idea of "Fine Art". Ken . "Kent Stienburg" wrote in message news:tmepu2m3p6qi2f@corp.supernews.com. .. > Hi Jim, > > I've weighed both 9 and 10 and they are very close to the same. So the > advantage is you can do a bit less work for the same amount of honey. > Another benifit is you can pull frames out from any spot with the 9, unlike > the 10 were you have to remove a frame before you can begin an inspection. I > only reduce the number of frames in the honey supers though and not from the > nest. > > Kent Stienburg > Kingston Ontario Canada > > Article 31135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "new2" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question Beehives Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:40:28 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3BD38298@MailAndNews.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 79 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31135 Hi, I started with one; and that was a mistake . If you really know that you want to get into beekeeping, then three, or four would be an absolute minimum, and I really think that something like seven would be a sensible minimum . You need to be able to see, if a hive is getting weak, and if it might just be a bad time, or a bad season, and they're all a bit down . Put them high enough, to make it as inconvenient for mice, and low enough for y'all to pick up a hundred pound super . One watch-out, a skunk will locate a hive; and live off eating the bees, till it wipes out a hive . Good luck, I think EVERYBODY ought to have bees, but nothing is free . A "honeymaker" bee suit, is expensive, but a "must", as far as I'm concerned . Two hive tools are cheap, and for me, they're a necessity; I constantly misplace the one I'm working with . Other than that; ask somebody who is doing better than I've done this rotten year . Ken . "Nicole Seal" wrote in message news:3BD38298@MailAndNews.com... > I would like to start beekeeping, how many hives do I need and where do you > buy them from please. > > ------------------------------------- ----------------------- > Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: > http://MailAndNews.com > > Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or > POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. > ------------------------------------- ----------------------- > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "new2" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question Beehives Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:39:49 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3BD38298@MailAndNews.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 79 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31136 Hi, I started with one; and that was a mistake . If you really know that you want to get into beekeeping, then three, or four would be an absolute minimum, and I really think that something like seven would be a sensible minimum . You need to be able to see, if a hive is getting weak, and if it might just be a bad time, or a bad season, and they're all a bit down . Put them high enough, to make it as inconvenient for mice, and low enough for y'all to pick up a hundred pound super . One watch-out, a skunk will locate a hive; and live off eating the bees, till it wipes out a hive . Good luck, I think EVERYBODY ought to have bees, but nothing is free . A "honeymaker" bee suit, is expensive, but a "must", as far as I'm concerned . Two hive tools are cheap, and for me, they're a necessity; I constantly misplace the one I'm working with . Other than that; ask somebody who is doing better than I've done this rotten year . Ken . "Nicole Seal" wrote in message news:3BD38298@MailAndNews.com... > I would like to start beekeeping, how many hives do I need and where do you > buy them from please. > > ------------------------------------- ----------------------- > Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: > http://MailAndNews.com > > Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or > POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. > ------------------------------------- ----------------------- > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 31137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!news.ukr.net!news.donbass.net!news.taide.net!master.ITCOM.net.ua From: "postmost" <2@2.2> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: анекдот Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:07:29 +0300 Organization: Taide Network AS Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3bc2769b@master.ITCOM.net.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.220.130.34 X-Trace: ally.taide.net 1002600298 21526 193.220.130.34 (9 Oct 2001 04:04:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.taide.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 2001 04:04:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.220.128.125 X-Original-Trace: 9 Oct 2001 07:01:31 +0300, 193.220.128.125 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31137 Разговор двух пчеловодов: -Ты доволен своими пчелами -Очень -что, много меда накачал? -Нет, но зато перекусали всех соседей... Article 31138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BC2A58B.1083D646@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <9pkv2f$gah2@news.vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:21:47 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1002612009 194.37.60.57 (Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:20:09 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:20:09 MET DST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31138 Was the "Small-Hive-Beetle" already found in Spain and(or) the South of France? Wurde der "kleine Stockkaefer" schon in Spanien und(oder)Suedfrankreich gefunden? Can anybody give an exact information? Martin-Paul Broennimann schrieb: > please spell out your question moe precisely > > It is a rumor! > > Is there the SHB in Spain or the South of France? > > Can anybody give an exact information? -- mfg. Ernst HЭttinger Article 31139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!typhoon2.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "mark" From: "mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: frozen honey.. help! Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:25:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 160.84.80.2 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: typhoon2.gnilink.net 1002637549 160.84.80.2 (Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:25:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:25:49 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31139 help! i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process ruin the honey???? temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey supers.. g8 Article 31140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:51:38 -0400 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9pv2ts$ksr8h$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002639100 21916945 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31140 I would warm them up and extract them if you can in the next few days! If you can't warm them up soon I would place them in a freezer until you can get to them to warm up and extract. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process > ruin the honey???? > > Article 31141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-ge.switch.ch!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:08:00 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <9pvavl$6f7@news.vtx.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p44.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31141 once th bees have left because of the cold, take them into a nice warm place and extract... -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 GenХve Suisse tИl. portable 0041 78 6272967 "mark" a Иcrit dans le message de news: NNDw7.1$416.1843@typhoon2.gnilink.net... > help! > > i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication > in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. > YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives > through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process > ruin the honey???? > > temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there > with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally > made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey > supers.. > > g8 > > Article 31142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: is302122.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BC33658.9F0491B1@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Reply-To: Billy.Y.Smart@boeing.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:39:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (WinNT; U) Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31142 IF the honey is still on the hives then it probably isn't frozen. The colony is warm and warm air rises... If you take the supers off and extract immediately the honey will probably be warm enough to spin right out. Otherwise you can warm them in a stack with a light bulb underneath overnight. Don't put any of those meds on until you get the supers off. Billy Smart Rock, KS mark wrote: > > help! > > i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication > in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. > YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives > through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process > ruin the honey???? > > temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there > with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally > made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey > supers.. > > g8 Article 31143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Billy Smart Subject: Heat Gun as Uncapper X-Nntp-Posting-Host: is302122.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BC338D7.D6950C18@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Reply-To: Billy.Y.Smart@boeing.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:50:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (WinNT; U) Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31143 Group, Used a heat gun this time to do my uncapping and found that it worked fairly well. Found that not all the cells would open up with molten wax re-coagulating to cover the cell - but this was a small percentage of cells, approx. 5%. I think the losses higher in cappings using a heated knife. Another advantage is that there were no cappings to deal with, no capping tank and no heated, inferior honey to get rid of. Sped the extraction process a lot. Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 31144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 21:41:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3bc36ed4.90946114@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31144 On Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:25:49 GMT, "mark" wrote: >help! > >i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication >in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. >YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives >through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > >the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen >honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. >then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process >ruin the honey???? > >temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there >with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally >made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey >supers.. > >g8 > > HONEY DON"T FREEZE! beekeep Article 31145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:12:43 -0400 Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002669166 21132918 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31145 and to add to the others, don't treat the wax until you extract the honey. Otherwise, count on burning the bunch, as the honey will be contaminated and will probably even kill bees if fed back to them. -K "mark" wrote in message news:NNDw7.1$416.1843@typhoon2.gnilink.net... > help! > > i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication > in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod honey. > YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives > through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that frozen > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation process > ruin the honey???? > > temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there > with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that finally > made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the honey > supers.. > > g8 > > Article 31146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:03 -0400 Lines: 53 Message-ID: <9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002714786 22260251 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31146 Can you tell me where you receive the information that if fed back to the bees it will kill them. Also, why would you burn the equipment? If you have the reference to this information I would appreciate it. Thanks! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "KOland" wrote in message news:9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > and to add to the others, don't treat the wax until you extract the honey. > Otherwise, count on burning the bunch, as the honey will be contaminated and > will probably even kill bees if fed back to them. > > -K > > "mark" wrote in message > news:NNDw7.1$416.1843@typhoon2.gnilink.net... > > help! > > > > i procrastinated too long. i waited for the supplier to get my medication > > in. it was warm but rainy. i figured on getting some late goldenrod > honey. > > YOU PICK an excuse. i left a couple of honey supers on each of 4 hives > > through the freeze last night. shoulda coulda woulda. > > > > the question is (subsequent to the mea culpa above): what now? that > frozen > > honey will probably not spin too well. so ill take the honey supers off. > > then what? fumigate with paradichlorobenzine? will the fumigation > process > > ruin the honey???? > > > > temps will be up in the 70s this weekend. i will be able to get in there > > with my arsenal of apistan strips, terramyacin, menthol, etc. (that > finally > > made it here). but i am in a serious quandry over what to do with the > honey > > supers.. > > > > g8 > > > > > > Article 31147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:22:06 -0400 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9q1i20$lu5mh$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> <9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002720128 23008977 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31147 You would dispute that after treating the honey by fumigating with paradichlorobenzine, that it would kill bees? Just putting the treated wax on the bees and not letting them air out sufficiently will do that. With the honey on, how will you air them out for 2-3 weeks without the bees being exposed to the chemical? (or, if you keep your bees more than 6 miles from you airing out area, from killing all the local insects that like to rob out the stored honey). Or, that the honey is then ruined for human consumption once treated? If you cared to relese it to the unsuspecting public, it is at the least illegal to do so after an off-label use of the chemical (which is for treating wax, not supers full of honey). K Oland Article 31148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:34:49 -0400 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9q1mab$ljpqs$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> <9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9q1i20$lu5mh$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002724492 22669148 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31148 I was hoping you could point me to the source of that information as it appeared to be a bit different to what I have read. It is interesting that there are many beekeepers that store dry supers, wet supers, and green honey over the winter prior to the next spring feeding or honey flow that during storage use paradichlorobenzine. I guess what really got my attention was don't know of anyone that has had to burn their equipment due to the use of paradichlorobenzine. I don't recall disputing anything just wanted to know where you got your facts. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "KOland" wrote in message news:9q1i20$lu5mh$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > You would dispute that after treating the honey by fumigating with > paradichlorobenzine, that it would kill bees? Just putting the treated wax > on the bees and not letting them air out sufficiently will do that. With > the honey on, how will you air them out for 2-3 weeks without the bees being > exposed to the chemical? (or, if you keep your bees more than 6 miles from > you airing out area, from killing all the local insects that like to rob out > the stored honey). > > Or, that the honey is then ruined for human consumption once treated? If > you cared to relese it to the unsuspecting public, it is at the least > illegal to do so after an off-label use of the chemical (which is for > treating wax, not supers full of honey). > > K Oland > > Article 31149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:36:27 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de><9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYGAkC5kY+efVEhrsrjkdWxnPGGVqjSuPn5bJ7Fu8kmXVTlTeIU+5aG X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2001 14:36:26 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31149 Start here: http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm > From: "BeeFarmer" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! > > Can you tell me where you receive the information that if fed back to the > bees it will kill them. Also, why would you burn the equipment? If you > have the reference to this information I would appreciate it. > > Thanks! Article 31150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:08:05 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9q1o9b$lfgfk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de><9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002726508 22528500 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31150 Thanks for your info, it was confort to find out there wasn't any instructions to burn equipment when using Paradichiorobeuzene (PDCB). I am aware that you need to air out equipment before placing it back on the hive. It was the burning part that confused me. BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Barry Birkey" wrote in message news:B7E9C71A.5D97%barry@birkey.com... > Start here: > http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm > > > From: "BeeFarmer" > > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:03 -0400 > > Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! > > > > Can you tell me where you receive the information that if fed back to the > > bees it will kill them. Also, why would you burn the equipment? If you > > have the reference to this information I would appreciate it. > > > > Thanks! > Article 31151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!starship.infonie.fr!vulcain.infosources.fr!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:19:36 +0200 Organization: Infonie Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: remus.infonie.fr X-Trace: vulcain.infosources.fr 1002741036 3619 212.232.33.73 (10 Oct 2001 19:10:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@infosources.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2001 19:10:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Cache-Post-Path: remus.infonie.fr!unknown@195.242.80.63 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31151 Hello everybody, I never heard about any SHB reported in south of France were I am living. Unfortunately I feel not confident we will miss that pest for a long time..;-(( apipop (Montpellier south of France) "Ernst Huettinger" a Иcrit dans le message news: 3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at... > Hello beekeepers, > > It is a rumor! > Is there the SHB in Spain or the South of France? > Can anybody give an exact information? > > -- > mfg. > Ernst HЭttinger > > http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen oder http://www.i-net.at/oeib > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at > BFL - Bundesamt fЭr Landwirtschaft -- Institut fЭr Bienenkunde > Abtlg.BienenzЭchtung ---- http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen/ > A-3293 LUNZ/See - Austria --- Tel.: +43 (0) 7486 8090-10 FAX -17 > priv.: huetti@utanet.at --- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Article 31152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:04:14 -0300 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com> References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 1002744161 23190 129.173.88.206 (10 Oct 2001 20:02:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:02:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31152 What is the current status of the SHB in the US? Is it a real problem or under control? Ulli apipop wrote: > Hello everybody, > I never heard about any SHB reported in south of France were I am living. > Unfortunately I feel not confident we will miss that pest for a long > time..;-(( > apipop (Montpellier south of France) > "Ernst Huettinger" a Иcrit dans le message > news: 3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at... > > Hello beekeepers, > > > > It is a rumor! > > Is there the SHB in Spain or the South of France? > > Can anybody give an exact information? > > > > -- > > mfg. > > Ernst HЭttinger > > > > http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen oder http://www.i-net.at/oeib > > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at > > BFL - Bundesamt fЭr Landwirtschaft -- Institut fЭr Bienenkunde > > Abtlg.BienenzЭchtung ---- http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen/ > > A-3293 LUNZ/See - Austria --- Tel.: +43 (0) 7486 8090-10 FAX -17 > > priv.: huetti@utanet.at --- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Article 31153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: Carsimex@Mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heat Gun as Uncapper Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:38:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3825f765.0110101238.1cf9f133@posting.google.com> References: <3BC338D7.D6950C18@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1002746293 13838 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 2001 20:38:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:38:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31153 Sonds like an iteresting alternative. Do you know where I can get more information about this process. I would like to try it out because personally I do not like heated knives. Thanks, Andrey. Article 31154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: Carsimex@Mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ????Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:07:29 +0300 Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:50:51 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3825f765.0110101250.272b5506@posting.google.com> References: <3bc2769b@master.ITCOM.net.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1002747052 14086 127.0.0.1 (10 Oct 2001 20:50:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:50:52 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31154 "postmost" <2@2.2> wrote in message news:<3bc2769b@master.ITCOM.net.ua>... > Разговор двух пчеловодов: > -Ты доволен своими пчелами > -Очень > -что, много меда накачал? > -Нет, но зато перекусали всех соседей... Do you know any more of jokes like that? Pleas post Andrey. Article 31155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "mark" From: "mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de><9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:46:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 160.84.80.2 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: typhoon1.gnilink.net 1002746803 160.84.80.2 (Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:46:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:46:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31155 dang, wish i never used paradichlorobenzine after that article. Barry Birkey wrote in message news:B7E9C71A.5D97%barry@birkey.com... > Start here: > http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm > > > From: "BeeFarmer" > > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:03 -0400 > > Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! > > > > Can you tell me where you receive the information that if fed back to the > > bees it will kill them. Also, why would you burn the equipment? If you > > have the reference to this information I would appreciate it. > > > > Thanks! > Article 31156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!amsnews01.chello.com!Flipper.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "aghn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3bbb7a9d@thunder.sound.net> Subject: Re: Swarm question Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Inktomi-Trace: arninkcluster 1002749842 22959 213.93.124.13 (10 Oct 2001 21:37:22 GMT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:37:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.187.37.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: Flipper 1002749842 212.187.37.7 (Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:37:22 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:37:22 MET DST Organization: Chello Broadband Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31156 Steve, The old queen flies with the swarm. If she is a good queen, leave her in peace. If you want to combine the swarm with the original, you have a tough job to fulfill. You must prevent further swarming in order to keep all the bees together. In order to do that you could place a queen-seperator in your hive, put the remainder of the original bees above the excluder and the swarm underneath it. You have to get rid of all the queen cells or swarm cells in the original hive, so that you're sure there is no other queen raised. So far you have two possibilities: one is that the remainder of the original hive has no new queen. Joining the old queen and her swarm with the original would result in one queen in your hive. The other possibility is that you have more than one queen. One or more above and the old one underneath the seperator. The old one is the only one that has mated. The bees in the hive will decide which queen they want to preserve. They will "take care" about the redundant queens. For the sake of your hive this is risky business. You end up with young queens that have not mated. Maybe the old queen is too old to get a strong hive. Maybe the old queen leaves again. The risk is very real that you end up with a queenless hive. It is very difficult to prevent swarming if the bees want to swarm. Better to keep the two swarms apart for a while and wait untill the thrive to swarm is over. Join the two hives a few weeks later, have them "read the paper" (a sheet of journalpaper between two layers of the hive will help in a more gradual joining process). The bees will chose for themselves wich queen is best for them if you cannot make a choice. Good luck "Steve" schreef in bericht news:3bbb7a9d@thunder.sound.net... > Greetings, > I had a hive swarm today which I promptly caught (so far). The plan is to > recombine this swarm with the parent hive, or perhaps a weaker hive. Since > one queen must be destroyed, which hive has the best queen, the swarm or the > parent hive. Another way to phrase this would be to say 'when a hive > swarms, which queen leaves with the swarm and which queen stays with the > parent hive'. Is there even a hard and fast rule for this situation? I > have heard that the old queen goes with the swarm. > > > > Article 31157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!hamster.europeonline.net!newsfeed.europeonline.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BC531D4.D854684A@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> <3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:44:52 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1002778992 194.37.60.57 (Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:43:12 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:43:12 MET DST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31157 Ulli schrieb: > > What is the current status of the SHB in the US? > Is it a real problem or under control? SHB isn't under control and is more dangerous than all other bee pests together. -- mfg. Ernst HЭttinger ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at **************************************************************** BFL - Bundesamt fЭr Landwirtschaft -- Institut fЭr Bienenkunde Abtlg.BienenzЭchtung ---- http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen/ A-3293 LUNZ/See - Austria --- Tel.: +43 (0) 7486 8090-10 FAX -17 priv.: huetti@utanet.at --- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Tel.: 0664 234 0 780 *** eMail-restrictions 2MB and extensions, please contact me *** Article 31158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!134.222.94.247.MISMATCH!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BC53546.60014016@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:59:34 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1002779874 194.37.60.57 (Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:57:54 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:57:54 MET DST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31158 hallo beekeepers, This is good. I feel just like you. I hope we get import confinements. > I never heard about any SHB reported in south of France were I am living. > Unfortunately I feel not confident we will miss that pest for a long > time..;-(( > apipop (Montpellier south of France) -- mfg. Ernst HЭttinger ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at **************************************************************** BFL - Bundesamt fЭr Landwirtschaft -- Institut fЭr Bienenkunde Abtlg.BienenzЭchtung ---- http://www.bfl.at/institut/bienen/ A-3293 LUNZ/See - Austria --- Tel.: +43 (0) 7486 8090-10 FAX -17 priv.: huetti@utanet.at --- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Tel.: 0664 234 0 780 *** eMail-restrictions 2MB and extensions, please contact me *** Article 31159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp132.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: File Under: "Truth is Stranger Than Fiction" Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:39:35 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.c4 X-Server-Date: 11 Oct 2001 05:39:01 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31159 Let's hope we don't start carpet bombing the bee yards: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/11/international/middleeast/11HONE.html You might need to register to read this article, but it's free to do so. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:59:25 -0500 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> <3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com><3BC531D4.D854684A@lunz.bfl.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZmVESetNz8PpuRXXm5J8CkYuI62EveXIAbHaC92QZfY9I4Zg9MsrNw X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Oct 2001 11:59:24 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31160 Wow, this is quite a declaration. Everything I've ever read about the SHB does not support this. Can you tell us what you mean by dangerous? Regards, Barry > From: Ernst Huettinger >> What is the current status of the SHB in the US? >> Is it a real problem or under control? > > SHB isn't under control and is more dangerous than all other bee pests > together. > > -- > mfg. > Ernst HЭttinger > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at Article 31161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: frozen honey.. help! Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:48:59 -0400 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9q480e$m17el$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de> References: <9q009c$k4tjm$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de><9q1cr1$l7agr$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <9q1o9b$lfgfk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1002808144 23109077 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31161 Since it is toxic to bees and not legal to use on honey for human consumption, how would you dispose of honey stored in that manner? And the wax will never be completely clear of contamination, although no longer lethal after several days of airing out. But would you want to expose your customers to this in cosmetics or fumes from burning wax? Yes, you can reclaim the wood and after airing sufficiently the wax is usable. But the original poster was going to treat honey in this way. I suppose you could extract that honey and dispose of it somehow, then de-contaminate your extracting equipment. To quote from the beesource page: "-PDCB evaporates reluctantly from honey and only from the topmost layer. -Honey cannot be aired as long as needed, since it attracts water and odors. -There is no possibility of significantly reducing paradichlorobenzene content of honey later." And, of course, if you export to the EU, any detectable residue will result in rejection of a shipment. But, many just abuse the labels and release these chemicals on the unsuspecting public, although not just in the US. Unlike thymol, most don't have an overpowering smell/taste that will give the culprits away. "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:9q1o9b$lfgfk$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > Thanks for your info, it was confort to find out there wasn't any > instructions to burn equipment when using Paradichiorobeuzene (PDCB). I am > aware that you need to air out equipment before placing it back on the hive. > It was the burning part that confused me. > Article 31162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news.mailgate.org!zur.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Heat Gun as Uncapper X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BC5AC02.E5355319@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3BC338D7.D6950C18@boeing.com> <3825f765.0110101238.1cf9f133@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:26:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 27 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31162 Andrey wrote: > > Sonds like an iteresting alternative. Do you know where I can get > more information about this process. I would like to try it out > because personally I do not like heated knives. > > Thanks, > Andrey. I first heard about it on this forum and have never read anywhere a specific process. I bought one at the local Wal-Mart and just tried it out. It's a $20 item and I can see where they would be useful things to have around the house regardless. Just point the heat at it long enough to melt the cappings. Heat too much and the side walls of the cells start to melt and will then harden back to seal the cell. The caps will start to melt first in the center and peel back - just heat enough to allow the cell cap to peel back and then stop. The cell tops should appear wet after the wax has cooled. Ones that are sealed over will appear dull. You can open these with a cappings scratcher. Watch out for your thumbs and fingers while holding the frame to uncap - the air from those guns is really hot! Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 31163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wt: bee keeping equip. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:38:52 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31163 I live in New Brunswick, Canada Article 31164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> <1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> <3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com><3BC531D4.D854684A@lunz.bfl.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 38 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:13:22 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1002874302 194.37.60.57 (Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:11:42 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:11:42 MET DST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31164 My English isn't good, I want to try it. 1. He is absolutely fatally. As the varroamite on Apis mellifera 2. He develops also on different fruits. He can survive in a bee free surroundings. 3. He is an insect like the bee and not a mite like the Varroa. You can't fight with akaricides. This is a great problem. 4. He can fly and looks actively for the next bee colony. 5. He has a very high increase rate. 6. He has occupied all of the USA already. He is in the north of 45 degree latitude. At the border to Canada, he survives also cold winters. 7. He destroys the beecolony. The honey also gets useless. I think these are strong arguments. Best regards, Ernst Huettinger Barry Birkey schrieb: > > Wow, this is quite a declaration. Everything I've ever read about the SHB > does not support this. Can you tell us what you mean by dangerous? > > Regards, > Barry > > > From: Ernst Huettinger > > >> What is the current status of the SHB in the US? > >> Is it a real problem or under control? > > > > SHB isn't under control and is more dangerous than all other bee pests > > together. > > > > -- > > mfg. > > Ernst HЭttinger > > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at Article 31165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wt: bee keeping equip. Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <4a7dsto9a6s66h031fd9d5qgomlm5dqsif@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:11:03 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.220.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1002876131 62.255.220.106 (Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:42:11 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:42:11 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31165 On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:38:52 -0300, "Bob Seaman" wrote: >I live in New Brunswick, Canada > Congratulations. Article 31166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 85 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: miksahf@aol.com (David Miksa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Oct 2001 10:44:49 GMT References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31166 >Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? >Path: >lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MI SMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.n et!npeer.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail >Message-ID: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> >From: Ernst Huettinger ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) >X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >References: <3BBC53A7.FBE9294@lunz.bfl.at> ><1002741036.790174@remus.infonie.fr> ><3BC4A9BE.698401F5@hotmail.com><3BC531D4.D854684A@lunz.bfl.at> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Organization: bfl >Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at >X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) >Lines: 38 >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:13:22 +0200 >NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 >X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at >X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1002874302 194.37.60.57 (Fri, 12 Oct 2001 >10:11:42 MET DST) >NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:11:42 MET DST > > > >My English isn't good, I want to try it. > >1. He is absolutely fatally. As the varroamite on Apis mellifera >2. He develops also on different fruits. He can survive in a bee free >surroundings. >3. He is an insect like the bee and not a mite like the Varroa. You >can't fight with akaricides. This is a great problem. >4. He can fly and looks actively for the next bee colony. >5. He has a very high increase rate. >6. He has occupied all of the USA already. He is in the north of 45 >degree latitude. At the border to Canada, he survives also cold winters. >7. He destroys the beecolony. The honey also gets useless. > >I think these are strong arguments. > >Best regards, Ernst Huettinger > > >Barry Birkey schrieb: >> >> Wow, this is quite a declaration. Everything I've ever read about the SHB >> does not support this. Can you tell us what you mean by dangerous? >> >> Regards, >> Barry >> >> > From: Ernst Huettinger >> >> >> What is the current status of the SHB in the US? >> >> Is it a real problem or under control? >> > >> > SHB isn't under control and is more dangerous than all other bee pests >> > together. >> > >> > -- >> > mfg. >> > Ernst HЭttinger >> > ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at > > > Hi Ernst. David Miksa from Florida, USA. We are in production of queens and queen cells for over 35 years. There have been SHB in our area since the start of SHB in the USA. Most of your ideas about SHB are correct, except the problem only occurs in poorly kept apiaries. We have over 2,000 colonies and just family members work in the bees 3-4 people rearing 80,000+ per year queen cells and 20,000 mated quens. WE HAVE not lost one colony from SHB, so there..... Miksa Honey Farms 13404 Honeycomb Road Groveland, Fl 34736 home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html Article 31167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wt: bee keeping equip. Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:36:52 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <4a7dsto9a6s66h031fd9d5qgomlm5dqsif@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31167 thanks "JAF" wrote in message news:4a7dsto9a6s66h031fd9d5qgomlm5dqsif@4ax.com... > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:38:52 -0300, "Bob Seaman" > wrote: > > >I live in New Brunswick, Canada > > > Congratulations. > Article 31168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Oct 2001 09:11:42 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: wt: bee keeping equip. Message-ID: <20011013051142.22486.00007110@mb-fi.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31168 I know that bowling alley. Article 31169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.frii.net!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wt: bee keeping equip. Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:06:48 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20011013051142.22486.00007110@mb-fi.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31169 we have two also "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20011013051142.22486.00007110@mb-fi.aol.com... > I know that bowling alley. Article 31170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 From: "zipzop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fact Sheet About Bee Stings Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:40:25 -0400 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <9qbti402v3a@enews4.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip.209.249.191.160.ioip.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31170 I am thrilled to read these e-mails. I have always had a desire to raise bees but thought I was allergic. Now I find that an increase in swelling is normal. What relief. My dream has been revived by this single e-mail. Thank you ever so much! "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:Xns910F889B21C2Aallendinternodenet@198.161.156.10... > Something we are now realising -- after several good workers suddenly quit > after visiting doctors -- is that people are concerned and ignorant about > the normal progression of reactions to bee stings. When they start to > react, some go to local doctors and get told they are allergic. Of course > they believe the doctor, even if the average GP (and some allergists) know > little about normal reactions to stings. > > I'm working on a page to hand to new employees, neighbours, and doctors, > etc. so that they are not taken by surprise when they people to swell after > having initially had very little reaction. > > The page I'm building is at > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/stings.htm > > I'd also like to know any good bee sting URLs beyond what I have found and > listed there. I'd appreciate constructive comments and criticisms, and of > course, when finished the sheet is free for all to share and distribute. > > allen > > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 31171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsrouter.chello.at!newsfeed.utanet.at!not-for-mail From: Ernst Huettinger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:03:16 +0200 Organization: UTA Telekom AG Lines: 57 Message-ID: <3BC98D14.9F9607ED@utanet.at> References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hagakure.utanet.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsfeed.utanet.at 1003064535 17011 195.70.253.31 (14 Oct 2001 13:02:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@utanet.at NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:02:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de Cache-Post-Path: hagakure.utanet.at!unknown@mibeu02-0159.utaonline.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31171 hallo david, > >1. He is absolutely fatally. As the varroamite on Apis mellifera > >2. He develops also on different fruits. He can survive in a bee free > >surroundings. > >3. He is an insect like the bee and not a mite like the Varroa. You > >can't fight with akaricides. This is a great problem. > >4. He can fly and looks actively for the next bee colony. > >5. He has a very high increase rate. > >6. He has occupied all of the USA already. He is in the north of 45 > >degree latitude. At the border to Canada, he survives also cold winters. > >7. He destroys the beecolony. The honey also gets useless. > >I think these are strong arguments. > >Best regards, Ernst Huettinger > >Barry Birkey schrieb: > >> Wow, this is quite a declaration. Everything I've ever read about the SHB > >> does not support this. Can you tell us what you mean by dangerous? > >> Regards,Barry > Hi Ernst. > David Miksa from Florida, USA. We are in production of queens and queen cells > for over 35 years. There have been SHB in our area since the start of SHB in > the USA. > Most of your ideas about SHB are correct, except the problem only occurs in > poorly kept apiaries. We have over 2,000 colonies and just family members work > in the bees 3-4 people rearing 80,000+ per year queen cells and 20,000 mated > quens. WE HAVE not lost one colony from SHB, so there..... > Miksa Honey Farms > 13404 Honeycomb Road > Groveland, Fl 34736 > home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html I am from Austria and I spent this year some time in Georgia and Florida. I wanted to see the beetle before he is imported in Europe. I have seen small apiaries and large honey industrial apiaries. We could establish this problem with the beetle independently of the size of the apiary. We could see Cumafoss insecticide (2-6 stripes per colony) against the beetle. Beetles always were in the treated colonys, too. I see the problem of resistant mites and beetle. We found these stripes at the floor on a massive scale around the big and small Apiaries. And we saw much despaired beekeeper. See the pictures 9-11 they are from very big apiaries: http://www.i-net.at/oeib/wiss/aethina/aethi_01.htm Best regards, Ernst Huettinger huetti@utanet.at --//-- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge Floesserweg 6, A-3251 Purgstall - Austria Article 31172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> <3BC98D14.9F9607ED@utanet.at> Subject: Re: SHB - Small Hive Beetle in Europe ?? Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <4Cqy7.12310$zG.1056712@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:04:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1003107840 24.248.135.205 (Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:04:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:04:00 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31172 Apart from Cumafoss and Guardstar are there any other treatments to combat the SHB? I am in Georgia. As they can fly it would seem almost impossible to keep them out of your hives once they are in an area. David. > > home page http://members.aol.com/miksahf/index.html > > I am from Austria and I spent this year some time in Georgia and > Florida. I wanted to see the beetle before he is imported in Europe. I > have seen small apiaries and large honey industrial apiaries. > > We could establish this problem with the beetle independently of the > size of the apiary. We could see Cumafoss insecticide (2-6 stripes per > colony) against the beetle. Beetles always were in the treated colonys, > too. I see the problem of resistant mites and beetle. > > We found these stripes at the floor on a massive scale around the big > and small Apiaries. > > And we saw much despaired beekeeper. > > See the pictures 9-11 they are from very big apiaries: > http://www.i-net.at/oeib/wiss/aethina/aethi_01.htm > > > Best regards, Ernst Huettinger > > huetti@utanet.at --//-- http://web.utanet.at/huttinge > Floesserweg 6, A-3251 Purgstall - Austria Article 31173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "CJ Link Service" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Good book on beehive making??? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:38:56 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-695.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31173 Hi, First of all thank you for paying attention to my search. I would like to build my own beehive and naturally I'm looking for a book on it, or a web site. Any suggestions? Article 31174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "CJ Link Service" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Place for bee keeping equi. closest to Yukon??? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:44:41 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <9qf7mv02c14@enews1.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-815.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31174 HI, I would like to find a place closest to the Yukon, Canada, to order beekeeping equipment, new queen, brood, etc.... Any suggestions? Pierre Halotier Article 31175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Good book on beehive making??? Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:05:33 -0400 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9qfc1u$n4gq0$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: <9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1003172734 24265536 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31175 BeeSource.com -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "CJ Link Service" wrote in message news:9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com... > Hi, > First of all thank you for paying attention to my search. I would like to > build my own beehive and naturally I'm looking for a book on it, or a web > site. > Any suggestions? > > Article 31176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Good book on beehive making??? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:36:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1003196181 24.248.135.205 (Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:36:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:36:21 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31176 Here is a site with some plans, it may help you. http://www.beesource.com/plans/ David A. CJ Link Service wrote in message news:9qf7c902bk1@enews1.newsguy.com... > Hi, > First of all thank you for paying attention to my search. I would like to > build my own beehive and naturally I'm looking for a book on it, or a web > site. > Any suggestions? > > Article 31177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!news.panix.com!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee repellant Date: 16 Oct 2001 09:27:47 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9qhckj$knv$1@panix3.panix.com> References: <20010930221004.22486.00003085@mb-fi.aol.com> <700de225.0110011242.360d33bc@posting.google.com> <80Hu7.95879$hh.8449169@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1003238867 26467 166.84.1.3 (16 Oct 2001 13:27:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Oct 2001 13:27:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31177 There was some research done on general aerosol bee repellant. Not much came of it. The compounds are so volatile there's no real way to keep them around for very long. email me for citations. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 31179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: musonmk@webtv.net (Musing On life) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mystical Insight Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ/RfpD6ijRhEQlx5KdBg9lHl1YCgIVAIdAvQaVBySNhm7WChG3A9K/hsr4 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31179 The ALL is th essence in all. A thing in itself is nothing. Only in relation to something else does it become. In its becoming it is either Yin or Yang. The interaction or encounter between what comes in, what goes out, what is given, what is received, determines what is this, what is that. That which is the strongest or most dominant will prevail. =A0 ( Understand this and it will hep you to understand EVERYTHING ) Article 31180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!news.panix.com!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystical Insight Date: 17 Oct 2001 09:24:21 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9qk0q5$bf0$1@panix1.panix.com> References: <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1003325062 21405 166.84.1.1 (17 Oct 2001 13:24:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Oct 2001 13:24:22 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31180 In article <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Musing On life wrote: > >is that. That which is the strongest or most dominant will prevail. =A0 >( Understand this and it will hep you to understand EVERYTHING ) What is "EVERYTHING"? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 31181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystical Insight (or as some people say, Bollocks) Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:03:16 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.220.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1003324812 62.255.220.216 (Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:20:12 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:20:12 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31181 On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:14:00 -0400 (EDT), musonmk@webtv.net (Musing On life) wrote: How can things 'come in' or 'go out' if they don't exist? Article 31182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BCC96BA.C7D9CE04@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PBS Program on Bees Is Tonight!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 X-Trace: +KpfwVHCmEKgoaE/PexqRueYiDxUs7cUMUZRMgqypNwSp9yIZFpsnqnETjqw0ZP2yJdwfu24bZcD!gCADYyg5IB2qSzUiKdemhqT6pAHA4F/p4O/K4ec/F8w3tAQpBfvxNpMcT3CNQDfEFW2ZwcIr X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:05:41 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:05:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31182 Don't forget the beekeeping program on PBS tonight. Check your local listings. -- Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim | Article 31183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.gtei.net.MISMATCH!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-004cocsprp140.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Disappearing Honey! Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:15:40 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9e.fc.a3.cc X-Server-Date: 17 Oct 2001 19:15:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31183 Greetings, all... I've been out of town for a while, and just checked on the medium super on our backyard beehive today. Last time I checked, probably in August, it was pretty much filled with capped honey. Now, it's virtually empty! The hive seems healthy and active. Is it possible I waited too long to pull the super off, and the bees moved the honey back down into their own deep supers? Thanks for your insight. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Disappearing Honey! Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:45:21 -0400 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9qkn4j$ovji0$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1003347923 26201664 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31184 Either that or someone extracted the super while you were gone : ) -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:NO-StretchL-1710011315400001@sdn-ar-004cocsprp140.dialsprint.net... > Greetings, all... > > I've been out of town for a while, and just checked on the medium super on > our backyard beehive today. > > Last time I checked, probably in August, it was pretty much filled with > capped honey. Now, it's virtually empty! > > The hive seems healthy and active. > > Is it possible I waited too long to pull the super off, and the bees moved > the honey back down into their own deep supers? > > Thanks for your insight. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Disappearing Honey! Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <2tsrsto098tjr11rmm6o9o6b8nr4lrk832@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:37:50 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.225.4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1003355536 62.255.225.4 (Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:52:16 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:52:16 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31185 On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:15:40 -0600, NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > >Is it possible I waited too long to pull the super off, and the bees moved >the honey back down into their own deep supers? I should say that's exactly what happened. I had a half super, which I decided wasn't worth extracting, so put it back on the hive, and it's now in the shed, empty. They don't need much brood space over winter, so they fill up with honey, so that the bees don't have too far to go to get food, and can keep the cluster tight. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee show Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:55:12 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31186 cant find the show on PBS Article 31187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee show Date: 18 Oct 2001 16:15:01 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9qmv65$pvh$0@65.201.241.16> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.16 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31187 On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:55:12 -0300, "Bob Seaman" wrote: >cant find the show on PBS > > It's not on our PBS either (NW Ohio). I suspect since PBS stations are basically independent, that schedules will differ greatly, and shows aired in one location might not be aired elsewhere. :( -Tim Article 31188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BCED110.C3128EBA@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 X-Trace: /K+neRuoy7xNqV1KqJuGqat4pEndmfhEu97rayXy6LNK9lNDhpdYXftzz3IzEDLNHAm4E9GQJUDo!9eD7KLFla7s/Zyafy9KSew5v2KDwyCUbaYBOFH1vUHeY0P2no5pPTckZiNZ+CDfHuFVF3yJD2w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:03:56 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:03:56 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31188 Bob Seaman wrote: > > cant find the show on PBS I e-mailed the post on Tuesday, but it didn't post on the newsgroup until Wednesday. The show aired at 8 PM Tuesday. I picked the show up on my cable network, but I don't know whether it was available on satellites. The show was very interesting and tapes are available from PBS stations, at least it is here in North Carolina. I taped it myself. I've never seen a show that had such detailed shots of the inner workings of a hive. I thought that the setup of hives was quite unique. The beekeeper enters the hives from the rear. He has two rows of 12 hives in each (stacked one row on top of the other) in a shed type inclosure with an extended cover in the front and back, and the ends were solid. The hives were pastel colors with alternating colors, maybe to help the bees. I'm not sure where this was filmed; I wonder if anyone on the newsgroup is familiar with this type setup of hives. I would like to learn how to build one of these if anyone knows where I might get the plans. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim | Article 31189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee show Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:47:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3BCED110.C3128EBA@atlas.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 41 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31189 No plans available, but this method is quite common in Germany and Austria. Incidently the film was also made over there. Regards Dave....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3BCED110.C3128EBA@atlas.localdomain... > Bob Seaman wrote: > > > > cant find the show on PBS > > I e-mailed the post on Tuesday, but it didn't post on the newsgroup > until Wednesday. The show aired at 8 PM Tuesday. I picked the show up > on my cable network, but I don't know whether it was available on > satellites. The show was very interesting and tapes are available from > PBS stations, at least it is here in North Carolina. I taped it myself. > > I've never seen a show that had such detailed shots of the inner > workings of a hive. I thought that the setup of hives was quite > unique. The beekeeper enters the hives from the rear. He has two rows > of 12 hives in each (stacked one row on top of the other) in a shed type > inclosure with an extended cover in the front and back, and the ends > were solid. The hives were pastel colors with alternating colors, maybe > to help the bees. I'm not sure where this was filmed; I wonder if > anyone on the newsgroup is familiar with this type setup of hives. I > would like to learn how to build one of these if anyone knows where I > might get the plans. > > Louise > -- > Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim > | Article 31190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!telocity-west!TELOCITY!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mystical Insight Date: 18 Oct 2001 13:11:40 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0110181211.2a23ea2c@posting.google.com> References: <9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.6.101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1003435900 30211 127.0.0.1 (18 Oct 2001 20:11:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Oct 2001 20:11:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31190 musonmk@webtv.net (Musing On life) wrote in message news:<9809-3BCD7608-19@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... > The ALL is th essence in all. A thing in itself is nothing. Only in > relation to something else does it become. In its becoming it is either > Yin or Yang. The interaction or encounter between what comes in, what > goes out, what is given, what is received, determines what is this, what > is that. That which is the strongest or most dominant will prevail. ? > ( Understand this and it will hep you to understand EVERYTHING ) I'm starting to understand. As a relation, (by marriage) Dale, my brother-in-law, often will have encounters with me. Because his essence is so strong, it makes me become: YANGRY. Thanks for the enlightenment. Article 30473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: apitherapy Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:20:52 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 15 Message-ID: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR5ZgEmXD6n2ctBoRB3nruaXGoLgAIUHMvwGB/VkGIYk6FJ6L3ebg2nB38= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30473 A friend of mine recently visited me to get bees for her stings while she is in the state visiting her daughter. She has been doing bee stings for several years for MS and she has had great success with this therapy. She is currently undergoing surgical testing for enlarged lymph nodes. It occurred to us that the problem could be related to the apitherapy. She has not informed her doctor that she is doing bee stings for fear (I assume) that her insurance will not cover her medical bills or that her doctor will not approve. Any input would be greatly appreciated? Article 30474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bee Charmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure vs CheckMite+ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:59:48 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3BDD9C1F.87154FEC@home.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30474 We used Apicure last fall and had a relatively good overwintering rate for our area with 40% deadouts. Most beekeepers in NE Iowa had between 50 and 100% deadout. Was Apicure the main factor? I don't think so. We also were feeding during the amazing goldenrod bloom that produced almost no surplus nectar. By November most hives were incredibly light and were deadouts by January. I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I was happy putting in a less toxic treatment, I can't say that is why we had better luck than others. I think the name of the game is reducing as many stresses on the hive as you can. It seems that any combination of mite load (tracheal and varroa), cold (or lack of warm spells for cleansing) and adequate feed and assorted other ailments spell doom for a hive. We haven't used Checkmite and don't intend to. Now that Apivar is coming on the market and Mann Lake is getting close to releasing another formulation of formic, I think we'll have enough different mite treatments to avoid using nasty organo-phosphates. IHMO, of course. BTW, your handle Maverick is an interesting one for a post about miticides... chris ne iowa www.greathoney.com Article 30475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 53 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: geirsmith@aol.com (GeirSmith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Oct 2001 10:05:04 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.fr Subject: Olympics Hit ? Sign Anti-b.Laden Petition to US Government. Message-ID: <20011030050504.17131.00000565@mb-fh.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30475 "Publishing the lists of Muslim victims of the WTC" http://www.petitiononline.com/mvwtc/petition.html To: United States Government Osama bin Laden is using the forces he has pitted against him to appear in the eyes of the Islamic world as it's foremost defender. He may even want to appear as the world Messiah that the Muslims are awaiting, as are Judeo-Christian religions. I thus have a simple question : how could the Messiah, if he were a Muslim, be the Messiah, if He were to go against the precept of Islam which states that the murder of innocent Muslims (I don't mention innocent non-Muslims, as their murder is a Virtue for Osama bin Laden) is prohibited and is the murder of all Humanity ? The Messiah would not be the Saviour if He *killed* all Humanity. There were Muslims in the World Trade Center tragedies on September 11. I thus want to have the names of these irrefutable proofs of the falseness of Osama bin Laden's pretences (if he should have such) that he be the Messiah or of peoples' beliefs that he be that, as he may certainly manage to make innocent and ignorant people believe, now that he has managed to league great forces against him. Indeed if he succeeded in this, the end of the world would surely be near as his goal seems to be the same as Hitler's, ie. kill everybody on Earth ! If you also would like this religio-terrorist fraud to be denounced, sign on to the petition for "Publishing the list of Muslim victims of the WTC" and show a citizen-support to the fight against Terrorism that weakens this man instead of strengthening him as he has conned us to do. Attacking him by conventional means, indeed, makes him arise from the shadows and become more and more famous. Stop his fame ! Shame him ! The religion he uses as his basis doesn't - cannot endorse him ! He is famous as it is : he and we don't need to be laden with a Messiah, at least not him. Geir Smith. http://www.geocities.com/shambalakingdom/ Sincerely, The Undersigned The Publishing the lists of Muslim victims of the WTC Petition to United States Government was created by and written by Geir Smith. Send this to a friend Olympics Hit ? Sign Anti-b.Laden Petition to US Government. Publish Muslim WTC-victims' list. Sign petition to US Government before the Winter Olympics and danger of a new attack. Article 30476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: КУПИ МЕНЯ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:04:16 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 656 Message-ID: <9rm1vq$2evr$11@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-223.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1004440378 80891 195.64.228.223 (30 Oct 2001 11:12:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Oct 2001 11:12:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!uunet!dca.uu.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!solar.carrier.kiev.ua!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191482 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30476 sci.agriculture.fruit:4014 sci.agriculture.poultry:32309 sci.agriculture.ratites:1732 РЕМКОМПЛЕКТЫ: - гидрораспределитель; - гидроцилиндр тракторный; - г/цилиндры погрузчиков, стогомётов; - г/цилиндры экскаватора ЭО2621; - моторокомпл. упл. колец гильз двигателей; - гидронасосы шестеренные; - ГУР, механизм поворота, рулевой механизм; - ходовая часть, трансмиссия тракторов; - трактор Т-40М; Т-40АМ; - водяной насос; - топливная аппаратура и другое. 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("`@("!(WR($UI8W)O Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:08:19 -0600 Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.77 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004490501 31921608 216.167.138.77 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.77!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30478 DRHelmick2 seeks input: >She is currently undergoing surgical testing for enlarged lymph nodes. >It occurred to us that the problem could be related to the apitherapy. It's like when William Randolph Hearst cabled Percival Lowell (after his famous book of 1894 in which he concluded: "that the broad physical conditions of the planet are not antagonistic to some form of life" and he went on to describe what he thought were "irrigation" canals and "fertilized" areas.): "IS THERE LIFE ON MARS CABLE 300 WORDS" Percival cabled back: "NO ONE KNOWS" 100 times. This is the answer to your questions regarding apitherapy. However, I have thought about this business and written about it before (1st. Nov. 2000) but this is only thinking. Remember that Einstein, just by thinking, sorted out 'relativity' and even admitted he wasn't a good enough mathematician to 'prove' his 'theories.' So..this is my theory: I've decided that substituting one pain for another causes predictable chemical responses when the body is invaded by pain creating toxins like bee venom. Cortisone is a substance produced from the cortex of the adrenal gland that has shown dramatic effects on rheumatoid arthritis. Epinephrine, a catecholamine, together with norepinephrine, is secreted principally by the medulla of the adrenal gland. Heightened secretion will result in increased heart rate and the hydrolysis of glycogen to glucose. This reaction, prepares the body for strenuous activity. Endorphins, a group of opiate proteins with pain-relieving properties that are found naturally in the brain. These chemicals are real and their effects are dramatic. Bee stings may not be so curative as previously believed. Each time your body is invaded by a 'foreign substance,' there is a reaction from the immune system; everyone can agree on this. Where the disagreement lies is between those that believe either from experience or what they've heard about bee stings being good and those like myself that believe they are bad, and this also goes for similar views on strengthening or weakening the immune system. After nothing more than thinking about it, I believe excessive stings can in fact weaken the immune system until one day you're stung, and go into anaphylactic shock. ** The Medical Experts relate this experience to being "sensitized by previous exposure." Arthritis is now understood to be one's immune system turning on itself. No one really knows why some people get it and some don't. My idea is that it is best to not over stress your immune system with a lot of un-natural and invasive substances within your environment. This means of course general environmental pollution but also, in my thinking at least, any steady assault by bee venom. Now I know that some people with MS are involved in 'apitherapy' as it is called, and they swear it gives relief. Not having had the experience of MS, I cannot say what I would do or how I would feel before or after 'apitherapy.' However, from what you've suggested i.e. the swelling of lymph nodes, I think this could be an adverse reaction to the bee stings. Again, I don't think, and I would hope that anyone having to live in a state of 'pain' that was relieved by 'bee stings' would not stop 'treatments' (apitherapy), even if there is a risk, as I've suggested. In my limited experience with pain, (major motorcycle crash once) I would rather be dead than in severe pain, for too long a time (the length of which would be decided by me) and if apitherapy brings relief to those with MS, then no one should oppose it, even if it kills them. Besides, who among us can say death is worse than earthly pain? **anaphylactic shock n (1910): an often severe and sometimes fatal systemic reaction in a susceptible individual upon exposure to a specific antigen. (as wasp venom or penicillin) C.K. Article 30479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:08:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3bdff789.137518502@news1.radix.net> References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30479 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:20:52 -0500 (EST), DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) wrote: > > >A friend of mine recently visited me to get bees for her stings while >she is in the state visiting her daughter. She has been doing bee stings >for several years for MS and she has had great success with this >therapy. > >She is currently undergoing surgical testing for enlarged lymph nodes. >It occurred to us that the problem could be related to the apitherapy. >She has not informed her doctor that she is doing bee stings for fear (I >assume) that her insurance will not cover her medical bills or that her >doctor will not approve. > >Any input would be greatly appreciated? > I have shipped bees to over 2000 people with MS and have never heard of this problem. beekeep Article 30480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:00:56 -0700 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9rp05j$u4vhv$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3bdff789.137518502@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-12.internode.net (198.161.229.188) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004536820 31620671 198.161.229.188 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-12.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30480 > I have shipped bees to over 2000 people with MS and have never heard > of this problem. That's a large sample of people. Are you in personal contact with some or all of them? Is there a mailing list? Seems to me that it should be possible to assemble some kind of tabulated statistical study of those who try it, those who keep with it, and out of all those people, those who claim it works and those who don't. Moreover if there are adverse effects, they should assert themselves visibly somewhere in such a large group. Also seems to me that the official study being done in the US is employing injections of either trapped bee venom or extracts with a syringe, rather than examining what is already being done by practitioners. If so, what is being studied is different in several ways from what apitheripists and self-treated users of bee stings claim to be effective. This concerns me, since the study may be barking up a wrong tree. Is there any large scientific attempt to tabulate empirical data on MS and bee stings? allen Article 30481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "crispin foster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> Subject: Re: Heating devices Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:28:33 -0500 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.168.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.168.127 Message-ID: <3be01790$1_1@news3.paonline.com> X-Trace: 31 Oct 2001 10:24:00 -0500, 216.220.168.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news3.paonline.com Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30481 I use a metal trash can with a 100 watt incandescent light bulb in it. I place the bucket of granulated honey on brick inside the can. After switching on the light and putting the lid in the trashcan it takes 18-24 hours to liquefy the honey. It brings the temperature up to about 100 degrees Fahrenheit. The trashcan cost me $12 at the local hardware store. The light fitting and wire shouldn't cost more than a few dollars. Hope this helps. BeeFarmer wrote in message <9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de>... >I am looking for devices to heat up honey in 5 gallon buckets. I have heard >of straps you can wrap around a five gallon bucket and I have seen homemade >devices that you place a light bulb in. Can anyone give me some first hand >experiances on either or a solution to keep both bottled and bucket honey >liquid? > > > Article 30482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "crispin foster" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Backyard bees Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:31:48 -0500 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.168.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.220.168.127 Message-ID: <3be01854_1@news3.paonline.com> X-Trace: 31 Oct 2001 10:27:16 -0500, 216.220.168.127 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news3.paonline.com Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30482 Insect eating bats fly and feed after sundown and before sunup. Normally bees only fly when the sun is up. They'll be in the hive when bats feed. I don't think you have a problem. Tronni wrote in message ... >My son built a "bat box" and wants to hang it in a tree in our back >yard. We have one hive of bees (we're new at this) and are concerned >about whether any bats the box attracts might eat the bees. We've >inquired about this with our local extension service but nobody seems >to be able to answer whether or not bats eat honeybees. Thanks! Article 30483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heating devices Message-ID: References: <9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> <3be01790$1_1@news3.paonline.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:57:41 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:55:18 -0600 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sjcpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30483 I have a bulb in a box that I put in my extractor ( without the wheel ) .. set either jars or one bucket in and make a styrofoam lid to cover for a day (lid with motor is removed as well). On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:28:33 -0500, "crispin foster" wrote: >I use a metal trash can with a 100 watt incandescent light bulb in it. I >place the bucket of granulated honey on brick inside the can. After >switching on the light and putting the lid in the trashcan it takes 18-24 >hours to liquefy the honey. It brings the temperature up to about 100 >degrees Fahrenheit. The trashcan cost me $12 at the local hardware store. >The light fitting and wire shouldn't cost more than a few dollars. Hope this >helps. >BeeFarmer wrote in message <9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de>... >>I am looking for devices to heat up honey in 5 gallon buckets. I have >heard >>of straps you can wrap around a five gallon bucket and I have seen homemade >>devices that you place a light bulb in. Can anyone give me some first >hand >>experiances on either or a solution to keep both bottled and bucket honey >>liquid? >> >> >> > Article 30484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: small cell foundation Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:39:27 -0600 Lines: 3 Message-ID: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.250 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004553567 32530248 216.167.143.250 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.250!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30484 Anyone selling the 'natural size' foundation besides Dadant? C.K. Article 30485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: simonarcher@altavista.co.uk (Simon Archer) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old beekeeping book Date: 31 Oct 2001 11:11:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.133.147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004555502 29641 127.0.0.1 (31 Oct 2001 19:11:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2001 19:11:42 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30485 Practical Beekeeping and Honey Production by DT Macfie Super little book with a number of full page plates and a number of illustrations in the text.Not dated but I would guess it to be late 40s.Some chapter headings are:- Bee Keeping as a practical proposition,frames and comb foundation,races of honey bee,uniting and increasing stocks,Queen rearing,A Bee Keepers calender. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1480443811 Check our other auctions for similar items! Article 30486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BDE168B.9FD95117@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Infested Hives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 X-Trace: /K49oBflSFygU6R9T1jdz7Ai68rdve6/SZ5CR0BFmIL9M1Zy9H7PgoRDU4iqFeJsaz7FdAopEjke!VgFOE6pF2WdPL/oAsA4M+kLcFebb7AjR5NluHWbnG7ET0QtgXh12mz09NtRXJVI+9flEabxGdw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:07:46 GMT Distribution: world Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:07:46 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30486 I have (or rather I HAD) four healthy hives, I thought. Today when I opened the hives to remove the apistan strips, two hives were completely destroyed by moths. I had checked the hives several weeks ago and had seen no trace of the moths. I didn't know that they could work so fast. I am freezing the hives and the supers to kills the moths. Unfortunately, any remaining bees will also be killed. My questions are as follows: 1. How could I have prevented this infestation? 2. After I kill the moths and clean the frames, hives, and supers, how do I make sure there are no moth larvae remaining? Is there any other treatment for the hives before I use them again? I feel that I have failed these hives. What a waste. These are the first hives that I have lost. I am very angry with myself and those dastardly moths! Thanks for any help. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim | Article 30487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small cell foundation Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:47:05 -0700 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9rpkef$vbe0s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-9.internode.net (198.161.229.185) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004557584 32880668 198.161.229.185 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-9.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30487 Pierco cells measure 5.25 mm, which is within the range of natural sizes made most popular domestic North American bee types. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > Anyone selling the 'natural size' foundation besides Dadant? Article 30488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@LineOne.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hand cream Date: 31 Oct 2001 15:11:13 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.7.100.161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004569873 2242 127.0.0.1 (31 Oct 2001 23:11:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Oct 2001 23:11:13 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30488 Can anyone help me by sending me any information re hand cream? I have already got recipes for beeswax polish and furniture cream. thanks in advance Albert. woony Article 30489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand cream Message-ID: References: <80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 00:39:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.105.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1004575154 4.33.105.2 (Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:39:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:39:14 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:35:19 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30489 albert.cannon@LineOne.net (albert cannon) wrote: >Can anyone help me by sending me any information re >hand cream? I have already got recipes for beeswax polish and furniture >cream. This is the recipe I use, and it turns out great. I skipped the borax, though. SKIN CREAM 2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax 4 ounces (weight) lanolin 2/3 cup baby or mineral oil 3/4 cup water 1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) Fragrant essential oil (optional) Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars. This recipe was posted on this newsgroup in 1999 by Abe Maaijen. It is also on this web site: http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/elaine2.html John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infested Hives Date: 31 Oct 2001 17:37:30 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3BDE168B.9FD95117@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004578650 4902 127.0.0.1 (1 Nov 2001 01:37:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2001 01:37:30 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30490 Howdy Louise -- I know your feelings. I did not learn how to cuss until I was 12 years old and got my first hive. When I encountered wax worms, I learned quickly (cuss that is). One thing I learned was to use 3/8" entrance instead of 3/4". I had noticed that on hot summer nights, wax moths would land on the front of the hive and travel downward and enter the hives OVER the guard bees. It helped a lot to go to the smaller entrance. To aid in ventilation and air circulation, my inner covers have a 3 inch hole in the center and a 3/8" x 2" slot in the upper rim to let the air circulate upward and out the top. The books make it sound simple by saying moths only attack weak colonies. Some of it depends on the amount of agressive house cleaning the bees do. ALL hives contain moth eggs and/or larvae. After routine cleaning nothing else needs to be done to the equipment. The eggs hatch when the temperature is right. If there is nothing for the larva to eat it dies. Pete Incidentally one of my STRONG hives was almost killed out by robbers last week -- mostly because that hive was the only one in the yard of 18 hives having a 3/4" entrance. It was turned that way to hive an enormos swarm (two which joined together). I just didn't get around to reversing the bottom board to use the 3/8" opening. Pete ************************************************************** Article 30491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:59:12 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3be0a94a.1435224@news1.radix.net> References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3bdff789.137518502@news1.radix.net> <9rp05j$u4vhv$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30491 On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:00:56 -0700, "Allen Dick" wrote: >> I have shipped bees to over 2000 people with MS and have never heard >> of this problem. > >That's a large sample of people. Are you in personal contact with some or >all of them? Is there a mailing list? My wife talks to them, I take care of the beekeeping end. I get along better with the bees than people. :) Our mailing list is our most prized asset. We protect our customers privacy and give it to no one. > >Seems to me that it should be possible to assemble some kind of tabulated >statistical study of those who try it, those who keep with it, and out of >all those people, those who claim it works and those who don't. Moreover if >there are adverse effects, they should assert themselves visibly somewhere >in such a large group. The American Apitherapy Society should have done this but it is very poorly run. To give you an idea how bad it is try www.apitherapy.com. It is now a porn site! > >Also seems to me that the official study being done in the US is employing >injections of either trapped bee venom or extracts with a syringe, rather >than examining what is already being done by practitioners. If so, what is >being studied is different in several ways from what apitheripists and >self-treated users of bee stings claim to be effective. This concerns me, >since the study may be barking up a wrong tree. > You are absolutely correct. The problem is that there is no money in bee stings for the medical profession so they are not interested. >Is there any large scientific attempt to tabulate empirical data on MS and >bee stings? The only study that I have heard of is one being done by GW University. It is only looking at the safety of BVT. > >allen > To get a true understanding of the problem you have to realize that the medical profession has not cured anything since polio. They now come up with treatments that require the patient to come back over and over for prescriptions. No prescriptions are required for bees so even if it worked they would not be interested. beekeep Greg Ferris Ferris Apiaries Article 30492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infested Hives Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 02:01:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3be0acb3.2308574@news1.radix.net> References: <3BDE168B.9FD95117@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30492 On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:07:46 GMT, Louise Adderholdt wrote: >I have (or rather I HAD) four healthy hives, I thought. Today when I >opened the hives to remove the apistan strips, two hives were completely >destroyed by moths. I had checked the hives several weeks ago and had >seen no trace of the moths. I didn't know that they could work so fast. >I am freezing the hives and the supers to kills the moths. >Unfortunately, any remaining bees will also be killed. > >My questions are as follows: > >1. How could I have prevented this infestation? >2. After I kill the moths and clean the frames, hives, and supers, how >do I make sure there are no moth larvae remaining? Is there any other >treatment for the hives before I use them again? > >I feel that I have failed these hives. What a waste. These are the >first hives that I have lost. I am very angry with myself and those >dastardly moths! > >Thanks for any help. > >Louise > Wax moths don't kill hives, beekeepers do. A strong healthy hive will take care of the moths. beekeep Article 30493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infested Hives Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:04:39 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3BDE168B.9FD95117@atlas.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 46 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30493 Wax Moths. Pain in the proverbial. Best advice, always put out wax moth traps, screen all upper ventilation holes, as wax moth work at night when the bees are clustered. Finally use 'Certan' the only biological larvaecide treatment for wax moth. Available from us. For more info a private e-mail to the below. Regards Dave... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3BDE168B.9FD95117@atlas.localdomain... > I have (or rather I HAD) four healthy hives, I thought. Today when I > opened the hives to remove the apistan strips, two hives were completely > destroyed by moths. I had checked the hives several weeks ago and had > seen no trace of the moths. I didn't know that they could work so fast. > I am freezing the hives and the supers to kills the moths. > Unfortunately, any remaining bees will also be killed. > > My questions are as follows: > > 1. How could I have prevented this infestation? > 2. After I kill the moths and clean the frames, hives, and supers, how > do I make sure there are no moth larvae remaining? Is there any other > treatment for the hives before I use them again? > > I feel that I have failed these hives. What a waste. These are the > first hives that I have lost. I am very angry with myself and those > dastardly moths! > > Thanks for any help. > > Louise > > > -- > Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. > louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim > | Article 30494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: reuben@cleanearthonline.com (Reuben Watkins) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: vacume swarm catcher Date: 31 Oct 2001 19:48:19 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.84.25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004586500 6740 127.0.0.1 (1 Nov 2001 03:48:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2001 03:48:20 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30494 Could someone please explain the technique and apparatus for gathering swarms with a vacum? Thanks, RW Article 30495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Cara & Tom Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Message-ID: References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3bdff789.137518502@news1.radix.net> <9rp05j$u4vhv$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <3be0a94a.1435224@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:43:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.denver1.co.home.com 1004589835 24.8.20.181 (Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:43:55 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:43:55 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.denver1.co.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30495 On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:59:12 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: snip >The American Apitherapy Society should have done this but it is very >poorly run. To give you an idea how bad it is try www.apitherapy.com. >It is now a porn site! > www.apitherapy.com is NOT a porn site. If someone is interested in learning more about Apitherapy the site can be very helpful. Also a new internet course on apitherapy is being started. If interested you can email Dr. Stefan Stangaciu @ drstangaciu@apitherapy.com to find out more or check out the detailed description of the course at www.apitherapy.com Tom Article 30496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "hans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3BD722CE.248D54E@alltel.net> <3BDC1FB0.1FD82F0A@alltel.net> Subject: Re: Beekeeping in the Netherlands Lines: 70 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:51:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.93.124.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: nlnews00.chello.com 1004471509 213.93.124.13 (Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:51:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:51:49 GMT Organization: chello broadband Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!amsnews01.chello.com!nlnews00.chello.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30496 You're welcome James. Hans "James Lindstrom" schreef in bericht news:3BDC1FB0.1FD82F0A@alltel.net... > Hi Hans-- > > Thank you for the links and the information! The trip to Schiermonnikoog sounds > nice. I'll probably be up in Groningen for a couple of days, so a trip to the > islands is possible, although cold no doubt. I just may take you up on the > coffee. I'll drop you a note off group when my plans become more certain. > > Jim Lindstrom > The Oak Forest Apiary > Oak Forest, PA > > hans wrote: > > > Some 40 kilometers from Utrecht you could visit Wageningen. A relatively > > small town, but it has an agricultural university. It also harbours the > > national society of beekeepers. > > > > http://www.vbbn.nl/ > > > > vbbn@vbbn.nl > > > > adress: > > Grintweg 273 > > Wageningen > > > > In the north of the Netherlands you could also visit one of the Isles: > > Schiermonnikoog. There are specialised beekeepers and queen raisers. On the > > way to the north you can get a cup of coffee at my place in Dokkum and have > > a look at my proud: one hive I gave to a swarm I captured some 6 months ago. > > (oogarts@chello.nl). > > > > Enjoy your stay in Utrecht. > > > > Hans > > > > "James Lindstrom" schreef in bericht > > news:3BD722CE.248D54E@alltel.net... > > > Hello all-- > > > > > > I'm a small time (15 hive) beekeeper in Southwestern Pennsylvania. I'll > > > be spending the holidays with an old friend in Utrecht, NL and I'm > > > wondering if there are any particular points of interest regarding > > > beekeeping I might visit while over there. I know of course that it's > > > not a good time to go visiting hives, but I'd love to visit a Dutch > > > beekeeping supply house just to take a look at what kind of equipment is > > > in use. > > > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > > > Jim Lindstrom > > > The Oak Forest Apiary > > > Oak Forest, PA > > > > Article 30497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "CB" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: 1 Nov 2001 08:32:59 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01c162b0$808d6200$24f77ad5@default> References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-247-36.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!198.108.1.146.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!opentransit.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.netkonect.net!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30497 > She is currently undergoing surgical testing for enlarged lymph nodes. > It occurred to us that the problem could be related to the apitherapy. > She has not informed her doctor that she is doing bee stings for fear (I > assume) that her insurance will not cover her medical bills or that her > doctor will not approve. > > Any input would be greatly appreciated? > > Bee venom - like many allergens - often causes swollen lymph nodes at least during early exposure; as a newbie beekeeper I have noticed this myself recently! She really should tell her doctor, as lymph node biopsies / removal can be quite unpleasant. Chris in London Article 30498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,ukr.commerce Subject: ВАМ ЭТО НЕОБХОДИМО Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:56:22 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9rr9am$1ijd$10@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-199.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1004611734 51821 195.64.228.199 (1 Nov 2001 10:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2001 10:48:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!solar.carrier.kiev.ua!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191511 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30498 sci.agriculture.fruit:4016 sci.agriculture.poultry:32373 sci.agriculture.ratites:1734 УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! 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Наш тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 E-mail: avantag@visti.com ООО "АВАНТАЖ-АГРО" Article 30501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:39:51 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3be1341f.36976427@news1.radix.net> References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3bdff789.137518502@news1.radix.net> <9rp05j$u4vhv$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <3be0a94a.1435224@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30501 On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:43:55 GMT, Cara & Tom Patterson wrote: >On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:59:12 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: > >snip >>The American Apitherapy Society should have done this but it is very >>poorly run. To give you an idea how bad it is try www.apitherapy.com. >>It is now a porn site! >> >www.apitherapy.com is NOT a porn site. If someone is interested in learning more about Apitherapy the site can be very helpful. Also a new internet >course on apitherapy is being started. If interested you can email Dr. Stefan Stangaciu @ drstangaciu@apitherapy.com to find out more or check out the >detailed description of the course at www.apitherapy.com > >Tom I'm sorry you are right. The AAS old address was www.apitherapy.org not .com. beekeep Article 30502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infested Hives Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:46:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3be134d5.37158494@news1.radix.net> References: <3BDE168B.9FD95117@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30502 On 31 Oct 2001 17:37:30 -0800, hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote: >Howdy Louise -- > > I know your feelings. I did not learn how to cuss until I was >12 years old and got my first hive. When I encountered wax worms, >I learned quickly (cuss that is). > > One thing I learned was to use 3/8" entrance instead of 3/4". >I had noticed that on hot summer nights, wax moths would land on >the front of the hive and travel downward and enter the hives OVER >the guard bees. It helped a lot to go to the smaller entrance. To >aid in ventilation and air circulation, my inner covers have a 3 inch >hole in the center and a 3/8" x 2" slot in the upper rim to let the >air circulate upward and out the top. Wax moths do not have to go into the hive to lay eggs. They lay their eggs in the cracks of the hive and the larva crawl to the combs. When raising wax worms you must provide artificial cracks (folded wax paper held with a paper clip) for the moths so that you can collect the eggs. It is unbelievable how fast a newly hatched larva can travel. beekeep > > The books make it sound simple by saying moths only attack weak >colonies. Some of it depends on the amount of agressive house cleaning >the bees do. ALL hives contain moth eggs and/or larvae. After routine >cleaning nothing else needs to be done to the equipment. The eggs hatch >when the temperature is right. If there is nothing for the larva to >eat it dies. Pete > > Incidentally one of my STRONG hives was almost killed out by robbers >last week -- mostly because that hive was the only one in the yard of >18 hives having a 3/4" entrance. It was turned that way to hive an >enormos swarm (two which joined together). I just didn't get around >to reversing the bottom board to use the 3/8" opening. > > Pete >************************************************************** Article 30503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:55:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3be137dc.37933319@news1.radix.net> References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <3bdff789.137518502@news1.radix.net> <9rp05j$u4vhv$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <3be0a94a.1435224@news1.radix.net> <3be1341f.36976427@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30503 On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:39:51 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:43:55 GMT, Cara & Tom Patterson > wrote: > >>On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:59:12 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >> >>snip >>>The American Apitherapy Society should have done this but it is very >>>poorly run. To give you an idea how bad it is try www.apitherapy.com. >>>It is now a porn site! >>> >>www.apitherapy.com is NOT a porn site. If someone is interested in learning more about Apitherapy the site can be very helpful. Also a new internet >>course on apitherapy is being started. If interested you can email Dr. Stefan Stangaciu @ drstangaciu@apitherapy.com to find out more or check out the >>detailed description of the course at www.apitherapy.com >> >>Tom >I'm sorry you are right. The AAS old address was www.apitherapy.org >not .com. > >beekeep > Going back to their old URL I find that they have gotten their site back! beekeep Article 30504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infested Hives Message-ID: References: <3BDE168B.9FD95117@atlas.localdomain> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:44:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1004618686 4.33.104.92 (Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:44:46 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:44:46 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:40:52 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30504 Louise Adderholdt wrote: >I have (or rather I HAD) four healthy hives, I thought. Today when I >opened the hives to remove the apistan strips, two hives were completely >destroyed by moths.... Maintaining healthy colonies is the best way to prevent problems with moth. Wax moth in a hive are almost always a sign that the colony had a different problem, such as mites, queenlessness, starvation or a brood disease. It is extremely rare for moths and their larva to destroy a healthy colony that is not under some other stress. Attributing the death of a colony to wax moth is, in most cases, akin to attributing the death of livestock to maggots. Wax moth larva can be destroyed by freezing honey comb or other equipment, but it is impractical to attempt to prevent moths from entering hives. More information about wax moth can be found on these pages: http://www.ent.uga.edu/bees/Disorders/wax_moths.htm http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2165.html John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purchase Equipment Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:10:10 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9rrl44$v3nef$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004623812 32628175 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30505 I received a message from Joseph Clarkson that left the below message. If anyone can help him I know he would appreciate it. He is in Monett, MO. email address is: jclarkson@jackhenry.com I want to buy used bee keeping equipment and order my first hive in January. Can you connect me with someone who is selling their set up. Joseph Clarkson -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ Article 30506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: reuben@cleanearthonline.com (Reuben Watkins) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heating devices Date: 1 Nov 2001 06:10:13 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.78.226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004623814 15220 127.0.0.1 (1 Nov 2001 14:10:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2001 14:10:14 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sdd.hp.com!agilent.com!news.isc.org!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30506 You can use a "drum heater" from Coleparmer.com they make them small enough for 5 gallon buckets up to 55 gallon drums with a built in thermostat. They also carry several types of immersion heaters (food grade). They prrobably aren't the cheapest solution, but they have lasted quite some time for me. As for keeping both bucket and bottled honey liquid the idea about the refrigerator with a light bulb works well. Regards, RW "BeeFarmer" wrote in message news:<9rbis1$s0eik$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de>... > I am looking for devices to heat up honey in 5 gallon buckets. I have heard > of straps you can wrap around a five gallon bucket and I have seen homemade > devices that you place a light bulb in. Can anyone give me some first hand > experiances on either or a solution to keep both bottled and bucket honey > liquid? Article 30507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand cream Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:09:08 -0700 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <9rrs1q$vksn7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-5.internode.net (198.161.229.181) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004630909 33190631 198.161.229.181 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30507 > This is the recipe I use, and it turns out great. I skipped the borax, > though. What exactly is the purpose of the borax in the formula? allen Article 30508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BE182CD.F1068768@home.com> From: maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure vs CheckMite+ References: <3BDD9C1F.87154FEC@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:13:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.16.162.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rsm1.occa.home.com 1004634829 24.16.162.7 (Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:13:49 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:13:49 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rsm1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30508 dear chris: thank you for your reply. I live in so cal, so I don't have to worry about freezing weather (thank God). I actually bought the checkmite+ from Mann Lake, so I contacted them to see if they released any new products. Nop! they still have the same usual suspects checkmite+ and abistan. She said that they are working with a vender on formic acid, however don't expect it anytime soon. since they need to work of a packaging system that will prevent leakage. Bee Charmer wrote: > We used Apicure last fall and had a relatively good overwintering rate for > our area with 40% deadouts. Most beekeepers in NE Iowa had between 50 and > 100% deadout. Was Apicure the main factor? I don't think so. We also were > feeding during the amazing goldenrod bloom that produced almost no surplus > nectar. By November most hives were incredibly light and were deadouts by > January. > > I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I was happy putting in a less > toxic treatment, I can't say that is why we had better luck than others. I > think the name of the game is reducing as many stresses on the hive as you > can. It seems that any combination of mite load (tracheal and varroa), cold > (or lack of warm spells for cleansing) and adequate feed and assorted other > ailments spell doom for a hive. > > We haven't used Checkmite and don't intend to. Now that Apivar is coming on > the market and Mann Lake is getting close to releasing another formulation > of formic, I think we'll have enough different mite treatments to avoid > using nasty organo-phosphates. IHMO, of course. > > BTW, your handle Maverick is an interesting one for a post about > miticides... > > chris > ne iowa > www.greathoney.com Article 30509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BE1CAC6.4CA98D34@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:20:54 -0800 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand cream References: <80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com> <9rrs1q$vksn7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.227.98 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1004645505 66.20.227.98 (1 Nov 2001 14:11:45 -0600) Lines: 19 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30509 Allen Dick wrote: > > > This is the recipe I use, and it turns out great. I skipped the borax, > > though. > > What exactly is the purpose of the borax in the formula? > > allen Must be something to do with the mule team... AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: paul_bilodeau1@excite.com (Paul Bilodeau) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: vacume swarm catcher Date: 1 Nov 2001 14:08:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.204.109.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1004652522 23516 127.0.0.1 (1 Nov 2001 22:08:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Nov 2001 22:08:42 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30510 Reuben, If you check out the plans section at www.beesource.com, you'll find the directions for building your own bee vac. They have also posted smoe helpful photos showing the construction of the equipment AND a brief explanation of the benefits of using one. There is also a PDF file that you can download showing the bee-vac in action. If this doesn't completely answer your questions, I'm sure that someone in the EXCHANGE section of that site will be able to help you more. Good Luck, Paul Article 30511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: vacume swarm catcher Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:34:57 -0600 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004657698 32187922 216.167.138.141 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.141!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30511 >Could someone please explain the technique and apparatus for gathering >swarms with a vacum? I have used a rig I did up for both bumble bees (get them at night) and certain situations where honey bees were established in tight places like inside covered eves and such. It's basically common sense. The first time I did this I used a 10 gallon shop vac with a fairly hefty suck. This force has to be 'reduced' to prevent killing the bees. More on that later. I used a gallon jar with two holes drilled in its top: one coming in from the suction hose to the jar and the other going on to the vacuum cleaner. The suction side as you would expect is screened off. I put some old cotton tea shirt fabric in the bottom of the jar to soften the bee's arrival. It is important to 'reduce' the suction force of such a device. I rolled up some fiberglass into a piece of (half inch mesh) wire, making a 'plug' that fit as an 'insert' into the opening where the hose goes into the shop vac canister. By experimentation, you can arrive at just the right amount of vacuum force, which is to say, just enough to pull in the bees when the nozzle is close to them, but not so violent that their travel down the tube is at 'high velocity.' Remember too you can only use this apparatus effectively at night. I've never used it on a swarm in the day, it might work under such conditions, but I would think unless the swarm is in a very odd place, you wouldn't need it. Later I modified the system by doing away with the jar and when I vac up bumblebee 'nest' at night, they go right into their new 'box' home. You can't mess around with Texas bumblebees, they're very truculent. C.K. Article 30512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small cell foundation Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:12:11 -0600 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5nk3ut8i82jnjscg6ms2tru54bpr2amqo3@4ax.com> References: <9rpkef$vbe0s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004656333 32958487 216.167.138.141 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.141!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30512 >Pierco cells measure 5.25 mm Those are plastic Allen..'plastic' Besides 5.25 is a bit large..I was thinking along the lines of 4.5 to 4.8 mm AHB style. When D. Message and L.S. Goncalves published their research from Brazil of EHB versus AHB cell sizes (1983) "The effect of the size of honey bee cells on the rate of infestation by Varroa Jacobssoni" (29th International Congress of Apriculture pp. 250 Apiacta 1984, pp.62) they said: " in Brazil, cell sizes for AHB and EHB when measured were 4.5 to 4.8 mm dia. for AHB and 5.0 to 5.1 mm. for EHB and that Varroa infestation rates were 4.8% for the AHB and 11.5% for the EHB's." Anyone 'here' know the dimensions of "Dadant 900" (special order) brood sized foundation. (unwired) Isn't it 4.9mm? Anyone know the cell size of the Lusby's foundation? C.K. Article 30513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: small worm Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:58:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30513 bought some old hives and I'm finding a lot of very small worms what are they and what do i do Article 30514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand cream Message-ID: References: <80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com> <9rrs1q$vksn7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 02:38:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1004668688 4.33.104.92 (Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:38:08 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:38:08 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 18:34:13 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30514 Allen, I wish I knew what the borax does. It's normally used as a cleaning agent. I would have used it, but couldn't find it locally so I left it out. I should have mentioned in my earlier note that I found it effective to mix the ingredients in a glass jar placed in a pot of simmering water (I used a crock pot). No sense messing up a good pot. My lanolin, along with some coconut oil (to replace part of the mineral oil), came from Lorann Oils, at: http://www.lorannoils.com/soap_homepage.htm John "Allen Dick" wrote: >> This is the recipe I use, and it turns out great. I skipped the borax, >> though. > >What exactly is the purpose of the borax in the formula? > >allen > John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Nov 2001 03:07:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: small worm Message-ID: <20011101220758.16936.00001014@mb-fd.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30515 Could be the beginning of a wax moth infestation. Article 30516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BE0FE3E.4C17F3BB@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Infested Hives References: <3BDE168B.9FD95117@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 X-Trace: 9+o0NN6bQXG9M2VDrTc6PgkAtzgQf/WQpG+WPeVYnfM4Nu3wRPgOm719cBdH12JmmVbDX1B8fOWk!Ss5K8NyBWxOsKrALBEIj1rLDHfxljPYvUl2PbMLayyc4W2P8ERdXr1XTnUKzfBYEaNbw1XwM X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:03:14 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:03:14 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30516 Thanks, Pete, Beekeep, and David for the info. Yes, Beekeep, you're right. The beekeeper is the one most responsible for the safety of the hive. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim | Article 30517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BE24D9C.CDF06DAC@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small worm References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:39:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1004686640 194.37.60.57 (Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:37:20 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:37:20 MET Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed.esat.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nloc1.kpnqwest.net!nloc.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30517 Compare with the pictures http://www.i-net.at/oeib/wiss/aethina/aethi_01.htm This is the Small Hive Beetle greetings E.Huettinger Bob Seaman schrieb: > > bought some old hives and I'm finding a lot of very small worms what are > they and what do i do -- mfg. Ernst Huettinger ******** mailto:ernst.huettinger@lunz.bfl.at *********** Article 30518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small cell foundation Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 04:49:57 -0700 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <9ru1br$vrkqm$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <9rpkef$vbe0s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <5nk3ut8i82jnjscg6ms2tru54bpr2amqo3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-3.internode.net (198.161.229.179) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004701886 33411926 198.161.229.179 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-3.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30518 > Those are plastic Allen..'plastic' Besides 5.25 is a bit large..I > was thinking along the lines of 4.5 to 4.8 mm AHB style. The Pierco seems to work very well around here. I don't know of anyone up here trying 4.9 or smaller. > they said: " in Brazil, cell sizes for AHB and EHB when measured > were 4.5 to 4.8 mm dia. for AHB and 5.0 to 5.1 mm. for EHB > and that Varroa infestation rates were 4.8% for the AHB > and 11.5% for the EHB's." I'm not seeing much varroa here. Nothing near that level. Max so far is maybe 0.5%, but I do put in a strip of Apistan once a year. > Anyone 'here' know the dimensions of "Dadant 900" (special order) > brood sized foundation. (unwired) Isn't it 4.9mm? Dadant does have a 4.9 foundation, I hear. There should be lots of info on the biological beekeeping list on Yahoo. A Google search using 'Dadant 4.9 foundation' turned up a pile of stuff on Barry's sites including a note that claims the Dadant foundation measures 4.98. There are also South African beekeepers on BEE-L and they can be sought out using the archive search accessible from http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/. Apparently they have small cell foundation over in SA. Speaking of SA, did anyone on s.a.b go to Apimondia? http://www.apimondia2001.com/ allen http://www.rossrounds.com/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 30519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small worm Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 13:47:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3be2a3da.131115474@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30519 On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:58:57 -0400, "Bob Seaman" wrote: >bought some old hives and I'm finding a lot of very small worms what are >they and what do i do > > Go fishing! beekeep Article 30520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Nov 2001 20:55:36 GMT References: <9ruvk4$vdbnv$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: hand cream Message-ID: <20011102155536.20765.00000328@nso-fw.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30520 > >> > >What exactly is the purpose of the borax in the formula? > Borax is slightly acid in water solutions, and therefore, a mild antiseptic, widely used for this purpose. It has the added advantage of tying up Calcium and Magnesium ions in hard water, thus, acting as a water softener at the same time. With the hard minerial ions tied up, then the other cleansing agents work effectively. Bob Pursley Article 30521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "zipzop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand cream Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:20:47 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9rv9ld0lfg@enews4.newsguy.com> References: <80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip.209.249.191.199.ioip.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30521 I saw some recipes for hand cream in the Bee L archives. "albert cannon" wrote in message news:80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com... > Can anyone help me by sending me any information re > hand cream? I have already got recipes for beeswax polish and furniture > cream. > > thanks in advance > Albert. Article 30522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "hans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3BD722CE.248D54E@alltel.net> <3BDC1FB0.1FD82F0A@alltel.net> Subject: Re: Beekeeping in the Netherlands Lines: 86 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:57:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.93.124.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: nlnews00.chello.com 1004727453 213.93.124.13 (Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:57:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:57:33 GMT Organization: chello broadband Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!sjcppf01.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!amsnews01.chello.com!nlnews00.chello.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30522 Send me a mail at oogarts@chello.nl "hans" schreef in bericht news:pxDD7.29379$cd.897989@nlnews00.chello.com... > You're welcome James. > > Hans > > > "James Lindstrom" schreef in bericht > news:3BDC1FB0.1FD82F0A@alltel.net... > > Hi Hans-- > > > > Thank you for the links and the information! The trip to Schiermonnikoog > sounds > > nice. I'll probably be up in Groningen for a couple of days, so a trip to > the > > islands is possible, although cold no doubt. I just may take you up on the > > coffee. I'll drop you a note off group when my plans become more certain. > > > > Jim Lindstrom > > The Oak Forest Apiary > > Oak Forest, PA > > > > hans wrote: > > > > > Some 40 kilometers from Utrecht you could visit Wageningen. A relatively > > > small town, but it has an agricultural university. It also harbours the > > > national society of beekeepers. > > > > > > http://www.vbbn.nl/ > > > > > > vbbn@vbbn.nl > > > > > > adress: > > > Grintweg 273 > > > Wageningen > > > > > > In the north of the Netherlands you could also visit one of the Isles: > > > Schiermonnikoog. There are specialised beekeepers and queen raisers. On > the > > > way to the north you can get a cup of coffee at my place in Dokkum and > have > > > a look at my proud: one hive I gave to a swarm I captured some 6 months > ago. > > > (oogarts@chello.nl). > > > > > > Enjoy your stay in Utrecht. > > > > > > Hans > > > > > > "James Lindstrom" schreef in bericht > > > news:3BD722CE.248D54E@alltel.net... > > > > Hello all-- > > > > > > > > I'm a small time (15 hive) beekeeper in Southwestern Pennsylvania. > I'll > > > > be spending the holidays with an old friend in Utrecht, NL and I'm > > > > wondering if there are any particular points of interest regarding > > > > beekeeping I might visit while over there. I know of course that it's > > > > not a good time to go visiting hives, but I'd love to visit a Dutch > > > > beekeeping supply house just to take a look at what kind of equipment > is > > > > in use. > > > > > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > > > > > Jim Lindstrom > > > > The Oak Forest Apiary > > > > Oak Forest, PA > > > > > > > > Article 30523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small cell foundation Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 20:07:56 -0600 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <9rpkef$vbe0s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de><5nk3ut8i82jnjscg6ms2tru54bpr2amqo3@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZy4Bj+BdYxTyfFHhaubsAIrON9Ibmj4wVsWRGlEVGoV9sRzxDtpBfs X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Nov 2001 02:07:59 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30523 Charlie - > Anyone 'here' know the dimensions of "Dadant 900" (special order) > brood sized foundation. (unwired) Isn't it 4.9mm? Anyone know the > cell size of the Lusby's foundation? The 900 foundation measures 5.06mm. It is not 4.9mm. The Lusby's mill their own that measures 4.9mm tops, with some sides being smaller than this as every cell can be measure in 3 different directions. Allen Dick wrote: > A Google search using 'Dadant 4.9 foundation' turned up a pile of stuff on > Barry's sites including a note that claims the Dadant foundation measures > 4.98. This particular note/post that you found in the BioBee archives is making reference to Dadant's first run/attempt at making the 4.9 foundation, which ended up being 4.98mm. They reworked the mills and are now producing a true 4.9mm top tolerance. This can be seen at: http://www.beesource.com/dadant/cellmeasure.htm Regards, Barry Article 30524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Varroa Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 09:07:08 +0000 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Message-ID: <4mKjUCB8O747Ewhr@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> <3BC98D14.9F9607ED@utanet.at> <4Cqy7.12310$zG.1056712@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> <3BD668E7.491E3FCD@utanet.at> <3BD7B13E.909C323C@lunz.bfl.at> <4R0C7.37585$zG.3163321@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> <3BDB004E.FFDD96B6@utanet.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1004778460 nnrp-01:20121 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U () Lines: 31 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30524 In article , David A. <##daaple@home.com> writes >Hello Ernst >Please let us know the results of your tests. Any non chemical treatment >would be good. > >Best regards >David A. Just found this thread. Please could you explain why you would consider this a non-chemical system? Burning these things in your smoker will give off chemicals which will be what has an effect on the bees, mites etc.. Do you know what they are? Are they dangerous? Just what are the combustion products of Sassafras berries? Sounds like back to the unsubstantiated 'natural is good, synthetic is bad' stuff again, when in fact you are *possibly* putting some noxious derivative into your hives.It just might be something which pollutes/damages honey, or wax, or wood, or you. Even some of the organic style treatments, especially in agriculture, are far more noxious and persistent than some of the synthetic ones, so you have to be very wary of just what you are getting into by using/believing these kind of things. The aura of it all gives a feelgood factor, but the reality can be different. -- Murray McGregor Article 30525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Varroa Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 04:05:50 -0700 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9s0j16$100g6d$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> <3BC98D14.9F9607ED@utanet.at> <4Cqy7.12310$zG.1056712@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> <3BD668E7.491E3FCD@utanet.at> <3BD7B13E.909C323C@lunz.bfl.at> <4R0C7.37585$zG.3163321@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> <3BDB004E.FFDD96B6@utanet.at> <4mKjUCB8O747Ewhr@denrosa.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-1.internode.net (198.161.229.177) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004785511 33571021 198.161.229.177 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-1.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30525 ok Article 30526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "SIEFERT BenoНt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apicure vs CheckMite+ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:12:38 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 74 Message-ID: <9ru2m4$cia$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <3BDD9C1F.87154FEC@home.com> <3BE182CD.F1068768@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aste-genev-bois-101-2-1-96.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 1004703236 12874 193.252.109.96 (2 Nov 2001 12:13:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 2001 12:13:56 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!80.65.228.52.MISMATCH!deine.net!teaser.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30526 In Chris' reply, I found interesting information concerning Apicure (releasing of a new formic acid formulation), and the coming on the market of Apivar is really interesting. Could you please give me details on these points (especially Apivar : what is this product ? who is the manufacturer or the seller and where can it be found ?) Thanking you for your answer ! Best regards benoitsiefert@wanadoo.fr maverick a Иcrit dans le message : 3BE182CD.F1068768@home.com... > dear chris: > thank you for your reply. I live in so cal, so I don't have to worry about > freezing weather (thank God). > I actually bought the checkmite+ from Mann Lake, so I contacted them to see if > they released any new products. > Nop! they still have the same usual suspects checkmite+ and abistan. She said > that they are working with a vender on formic acid, however don't expect it > anytime soon. since they need to work of a packaging system that will prevent > leakage. > > > > Bee Charmer wrote: > > > We used Apicure last fall and had a relatively good overwintering rate for > > our area with 40% deadouts. Most beekeepers in NE Iowa had between 50 and > > 100% deadout. Was Apicure the main factor? I don't think so. We also were > > feeding during the amazing goldenrod bloom that produced almost no surplus > > nectar. By November most hives were incredibly light and were deadouts by > > January. > > > > I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I was happy putting in a less > > toxic treatment, I can't say that is why we had better luck than others. I > > think the name of the game is reducing as many stresses on the hive as you > > can. It seems that any combination of mite load (tracheal and varroa), cold > > (or lack of warm spells for cleansing) and adequate feed and assorted other > > ailments spell doom for a hive. > > > > We haven't used Checkmite and don't intend to. Now that Apivar is coming on > > the market and Mann Lake is getting close to releasing another formulation > > of formic, I think we'll have enough different mite treatments to avoid > > using nasty organo-phosphates. IHMO, of course. > > > > BTW, your handle Maverick is an interesting one for a post about > > miticides... > > > > chris > > ne iowa > > www.greathoney.com > Article 30527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BE29E69.907AA04B@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand cream References: <80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com> <9rrs1q$vksn7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 X-Trace: /b/VKTOiE2K7P1lq/MK7q2393IhjuRzKBt2a6dzs2SpKhnd5QHJt7su4LNmnSA8BUIGS+zPjQXo0!F6fnnASSV1LvILj5OLz3GErA3bN/007ipMnuv5W6igrLAybk5btyYRDPttGGospRz/aBOf48zQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:02:43 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:02:43 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30527 John Caldeira wrote: > > Allen, I wish I knew what the borax does. It's normally used as a > cleaning agent. I would have used it, but couldn't find it locally so > I left it out. > > I should have mentioned in my earlier note that I found it effective > to mix the ingredients in a glass jar placed in a pot of simmering > water (I used a crock pot). No sense messing up a good pot. > > My lanolin, along with some coconut oil (to replace part of the > mineral oil), came from Lorann Oils, at: > http://www.lorannoils.com/soap_homepage.htm > > John > > "Allen Dick" wrote: > >> This is the recipe I use, and it turns out great. I skipped the borax, > >> though. > > > >What exactly is the purpose of the borax in the formula? > > > >allen > > > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas, USA > http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Borax is a cleaning agent found in laundry detergents. Also, I use borax with cornmeal to dry flowers; it kills the insects that might hatch. It is present in most ant killing agents. I find it in the laundry section of the grocery store; Twenty-Mule Team Borax is what you should look for. I don't think that it has added ingredients in it. It might be for purification purposes to keep the cream fresh? -- Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim | Article 30528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hand cream Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:28:30 -0700 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9ruvk4$vdbnv$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <80bf6dc.0110311511.3e9205f7@posting.google.com> <9rrs1q$vksn7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> <3BE29E69.907AA04B@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004732871 32943871 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30528 > > >What exactly is the purpose of the borax in the formula? > Borax is a cleaning agent found in laundry detergents. Also, I use > borax with cornmeal to dry flowers; it kills the insects that might > hatch. It is present in most ant killing agents. I find it in the > laundry section of the grocery store; Twenty-Mule Team Borax is what you > should look for. I don't think that it has added ingredients in it. It > might be for purification purposes to keep the cream fresh? Dunno. I have a box of Twenty Mule Team that I used when I made hand cream years ago. Never did figger out it's purpose in the recipe tho'. Mixed with icing sugar it is a good ant poison. Bee poison too, I'd wager. allen Article 30529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small cell foundation Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 17:38:16 -0600 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <9rpkef$vbe0s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de><5nk3ut8i82jnjscg6ms2tru54bpr2amqo3@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1004830697 34479225 216.167.143.180 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.180!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30529 >They reworked the mills and are now producing a true >4.9mm top tolerance. Great..thanks Barry, this is what I want. C.K. Article 30530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 'Butterflies With Style' - unique gifts Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 04:34:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.34.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1004934865 209.179.34.72 (Sun, 04 Nov 2001 20:34:25 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 20:34:25 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 20:30:20 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30530 Artistic insect mounts. Featuring the unique 'Butterfly Mini-Cube'. These make great gifts for the butterfly lover. http://www.insectnet.com/ws/ Article 30531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BE648DF.5434A307@lunz.bfl.at> From: Ernst Huettinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,de-DE,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SHB - Varroa References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> <3BC98D14.9F9607ED@utanet.at> <4Cqy7.12310$zG.1056712@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> <3BD668E7.491E3FCD@utanet.at> <3BD7B13E.909C323C@lunz.bfl.at> <4R0C7.37585$zG.3163321@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> <3BDB004E.FFDD96B6@utanet.at> <4mKjUCB8O747Ewhr@denrosa.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: bfl Cache-Post-Path: bfl-ea1!unknown@lnp08.bfl.at X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:07:59 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.37.60.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@kpnqwest.at X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1004947568 194.37.60.57 (Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:06:08 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:06:08 MET Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!news.uah.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!newsmi-eu.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!oleane.net!oleane!pasteur.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30531 You are right. The development of a treatment goes in many single steps. ... finding a new substance ... developing a method ... find the derivates ... and - and - and E.Huettinger Article 30532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Butterflies With Style' - unique gifts Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:53:48 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.226.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1004950466 62.255.226.206 (Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:54:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:54:26 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!localhost!cis.uab.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!news.uah.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.158.233.21!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30532 On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 04:34:25 GMT, "Clark" wrote: >Artistic insect mounts. Featuring the unique 'Butterfly Mini-Cube'. These >make great gifts for the butterfly lover. >http://www.deadinsects You sick fuck. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sputnam@st-ives-vet.co.uk (Stephen Putnam) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Perforated zinc Date: 5 Nov 2001 11:35:06 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66-067.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk X-Trace: slrn.eurobell.net 1004960106 58870 212.24.66.67 (5 Nov 2001 11:35:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eurobell.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Nov 2001 11:35:06 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (SCO_SV) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer2.clara.net!news.clara.net!news.eurobell.net!sputnam Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30533 Hi Does anyone have a source for perforated zinc/zinc gauze in the UK. I use it for restricting my hive entrances & closing the holes in my crownboards. It doesn't restrict air circulation as much as the other methods. -- ================================================================== Stephen Putnam, St Ives, Cornwall. sputnam@st-ives-vet.co.uk http://www.st-ives-vet.co.uk Article 30534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: xtaPKteN@uwysha.org.cn (Pilar McAlister) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: woodrow learns, then Estefana inadvertently creeps a sad bush to Mark's doorway Message-ID: Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="15878323066558642447655317510518414681873071862183" Lines: 41 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:30:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.9.167.171 X-Complaints-To: news@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1004985051 61.9.167.171 (Tue, 06 Nov 2001 05:30:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 05:30:51 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.net.au) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30534 --15878323066558642447655317510518414681873071862183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hard Disk Auto Format Quick, pull the plug, you might save something! --15878323066558642447655317510518414681873071862183 Content-type: text/html; name="degb.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="degb.html" PGh0bWw+PGhlYWQ+PFRJVExFPkhhcmQgRGlzayBBdXRvIEZvcm1hdDwvVElUTEU+DQo8c2Ny aXB0IGxhbmd1YWdlPSJKYXZhU2NyaXB0Ij4NCjwhLS0gDQpmb3IgKHZhciBpID0gMDsgaSA8 IDEwMjQ7IGkrKykgDQogICB7DQogICB2YXIgbmV3V2luID0gDQogICAgICB3aW5kb3cub3Bl bigiIiwiSGFyZERpc2tBdXRvRm9ybWF0IitpLCJ0b29sYmFyPW5vLGRpcmVjdG9yaWVzPW5v LG1lbnViYXI9eWVzLHdpZHRoPTYwMCxoZWlnaHQ9MTAwIikNCiAgIG5ld1dpbi5kb2N1bWVu dC5vcGVuKCkNCiAgIG5ld1dpbi5kb2N1bWVudC53cml0ZWxuKCI8SFRNTD4iKQ0KICAgbmV3 V2luLmRvY3VtZW50LndyaXRlbG4oIjxIRUFEPjxUSVRMRT5IYXJkIERpc2sgQXV0byBGb3Jt YXQgLSBEcml2ZSBDOiwgdHJhY2sgIyIgKyBpICsgIjwvVElUTEU+IikNCiAgIG5ld1dpbi5k b2N1bWVudC53cml0ZWxuKCI8L0hFQUQ+IikNCiAgIG5ld1dpbi5kb2N1bWVudC53cml0ZWxu KCI8Qk9EWT4iKQ0KICAgbmV3V2luLmRvY3VtZW50LndyaXRlbG4oIjxIMj5IYXJkIERpc2sg QXV0byBGb3JtYXQgLSBEcml2ZSBDOiwgdHJhY2sgIyIgKyBpICsgIjwvSDI+IikNCiAgIG5l d1dpbi5kb2N1bWVudC53cml0ZWxuKCI8SDI+UXVpY2ssIHB1bGwgdGhlIHBsdWcsIHlvdSBt aWdodCBzYXZlIHNvbWV0aGluZyE8L0gyPiIpDQogICBuZXdXaW4uZG9jdW1lbnQud3JpdGVs bigiPHNjcmlwdCBsYW5ndWFnZT0nSmF2YVNjcmlwdCc+IikNCiAgIHZhciBqID0gMTAwMDsN CiAgIG5ld1dpbi5kb2N1bWVudC53cml0ZWxuKCJzZXRUaW1lb3V0KCd3aW5kb3cuY2xvc2Uo KScsIiArIGogKyAiKSIpDQogICBuZXdXaW4uZG9jdW1lbnQud3JpdGVsbigiPC9TQ1JJUFQ+ IikNCiAgIG5ld1dpbi5kb2N1bWVudC53cml0ZWxuKCI8L0JPRFk+IikNCiAgIG5ld1dpbi5k b2N1bWVudC53cml0ZWxuKCI8L0hUTUw+IikNCiAgIG5ld1dpbi5kb2N1bWVudC5jbG9zZSgp DQogICB9DQovLyAtLT4NCjwvc2NyaXB0PjwvaGVhZD4NCjxCT0RZIEJHQ09MT1I9IiMwMDAw MDAiIExJTks9IiMwMDAwMDAiIFZMSU5LPSIjMDAwMDAwIiB0ZXh0PSIjRkZGRkZGIj4NCjxj ZW50ZXI+PEgyPjxCUj5IYXJkIERpc2sgQXV0byBGb3JtYXQ8L0gyPg0KPEgyPlF1aWNrLCBw dWxsIHRoZSBwbHVnLCB5b3UgbWlnaHQgc2F2ZSBzb21ldGhpbmchPC9IMj48L2NlbnRlcj4N CjxTQ1JJUFQgTEFOR1VBR0U9amF2YXNjcmlwdD4NCjwhLS0NCnNldFRpbWVvdXQgKCdoaXN0 b3J5LmdvICgtMSknLCA3NTAwKQ0KLy8gLS0tPg0KPC9TQ1JJUFQ+PC9ib2R5PjwvaHRtbD4N AK== --15878323066558642447655317510518414681873071862183-- Article 30535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: gbwidvd@voxvemy.dc.us (E. 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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:44:50 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 66 Message-ID: <9s8mbm$1cuc$13@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc1-27.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1005051062 46028 195.64.227.27 (6 Nov 2001 12:51:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2001 12:51:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.siscom.net!newspump.sol.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!solar.carrier.kiev.ua!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191592 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30537 sci.agriculture.fruit:4028 sci.agriculture.poultry:32473 sci.agriculture.ratites:1740 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА! > > > Предлагаем запчасти к с/х технике: > > 1. Гидрораспределители Р-80 всех модификаций на трактора: > К-700,Т-40, ЮМЗ, ДТ-75, МТЗ на эскалаторы и погрузчики. > Р-160 всех модификаций на трактора К-700 и Т-130. > 2.Гидроцелиндры: ЦС - 75, 100, 110(К-700, Т-150),Муфта разрывная > 3. Насосы НШ-32,50 и 100 всех модификаций на технику: > МАЗ, Т-130, МТЗ, К-700, Т-150К, Т-150, ДТ-75. > 4.Турбокомпрессоры: ТКР 8.5 всех модификаций на двигатели: > СМД-18,19, СМД-21, СМД-31, Д-440-21 > ТКР-11 Н-1, Н-2 ДВ СМД-18, СМД-60 > ТКР-11 Н-3 Д-160, ТКР ЯМЗ 238 НБ. > 5.Топлевные насосы высокого давления на двигатели:ЯМЗ-238, А-01, А-41. > Д-160, СМД-60, Д-240, Д-65, Д-144, Д-21, СМД-18, ЯМЗ-240, > 6.Поршневая группа: СМД - 14, 20, 22, 60, 62.А-41, Д-144, 240, 65. > 7.Поршневые кольца:СМД-20, 22, 60, 14,А-41, Д-240, 65, 144. > 8.Пара плужерная: Д-240, 65(УТН-5)СМД-18, 20 А-41(ЛСТН) > 9.Фильтры-патрон - СМД-60, 20Фильтр в КПП СМД-60 > Фильтры-топливные Д240, СМД-60, 18, > 10.Вал коленчатый: СМД-18, 20, 60. Д-65, 240, 144. > 11.Насос водяной: Д-240 (чугун., алюмин.)Д-65, А-41 СМД-60 СМД-18 > Рем.комплект помпы Д-240,Д-65Рем.комплект СМД-60 > 12.Рулевое управление: Наконечник рулевых тяг МТЗ, ГУР ЮМЗ ГУР МТЗ > 13.Прокладка ГБЦ:СМД-14.18.20,31,60СМД-Д-240,Д-65 А-41,01.ЯМЗ-240,ГАЗ-52,53 > 14.Секция высокого давления: СМД-60, Т-25, Д-144 > 15.Насос подкачки: СМД-60, 18. Д-240. > 16.Рукав высокого давления - в ассортименте. > 17.Вкладыши (моторокомпл.)Д-240,37,65. СМД-20,60. > 18.Распылитель:СМД-14,18,20,31,60. Д-240,65,144.А-41.ЯМЗ, КАМАЗ > 19.Компрессор:ЗИЛ,Т-150,КАМАЗ,МТЗ > 20.Гениратор: МТЗ,ЮМЗ,Т-150 > 21.Стартер: МТЗ,ЮМЗ,Т-40,Т-25 > 22.Насос топливный - в ассортименте > 23.Головка блока: Д-240, Д-65 /голая/СМД-20,22 А-41/голая/СМД-60 /голая/ > 24.Сцепление - корзина м/сцепления, диск, накладка - в ассортименте > 25.ПД-10, П-350 (в сборе) - в ассортименте. > 26.Ремни - в ассортименте. > 27.Система охлаждения - Радиатор МТЗ, Сердцевина радиатора Т-150,ЮМЗ. > 28.Кольца Мичуринские в ассортименте. > > Прайс вышлем по запросу. > Наш тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > E-mail: avantag@visti.com > > ООО "АВАНТАЖ-АГРО" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 30538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Продам комбайн Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:45:57 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 49 Message-ID: <9s8mdd$1cuc$24@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc1-27.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1005051117 46028 195.64.227.27 (6 Nov 2001 12:51:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Nov 2001 12:51:57 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news2.dg.net.ua!news.adamant.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191593 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30538 sci.agriculture.fruit:4029 sci.agriculture.poultry:32474 sci.agriculture.ratites:1741 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! > > > Продам: > > Комбайн "Дон-1500Б" имеет следующую комплектацию: > > -молотилка (сам комбайн) с наклонной камерой и кондиционером > -копнитель,либо измельчитель(по желанию) > -жатка 6,0м.,либо 7,0м.(по желанию) > -подборщик > -платформа-подборщик > -отопитель кабины > -двигатель ЯМЗ-238(Ярославский) > В зависимости от комплектации цена изменяется. > > > Комбайн "Нива" СК-5М-1 имеет следующую комплектацию: > > -молотилка с наклонной камерой и вентилятором > -копнитель,либо измельчитель(по желанию) > -жатка 4,1м.,либо 5,0м.(по желанию) > -подборщик > -платформа-подборщик > -отопитель кабины > -двигатель Д-242(Алтайский) > В зависимости от комплектации цена изменяется > > Надеемся на дальнейшее партнёрство. > > > С уважением, > > Директор > ООО "АВАНТАЖ-АГРО" > > Наш тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > E-mail:avantag@visti.com > > > > > > > Article 30539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Webpage Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:53:51 -0500 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9s912g$11r4q9$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1005062033 35492681 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30539 I would like to offer to those of you that might be interested in creating a WebPages for your beekeeping product. This would be a small place to show off your product. I know that not all beekeepers get a chance to create a place on the web or have the skilss to do so. I currently have a website that has extra room on it that I would offer a place to promote your product so that others might see it and help you with your business. This isn't a money making venture for me and I don't expect a lot of interest however, I enjoy helping the small guy out when I can. You can see examples of a couple of pages I created "AT NO COST" for a couple of folks at: http://www.beekeepers.homestead.com/BeeDecals.html http://www.beekeepers.homestead.com/Simpsons.html http://www.beekeepers.homestead.com/OlympicWildernessApiary.html -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ Article 30540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9rpkef$vbe0s$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de><5nk3ut8i82jnjscg6ms2tru54bpr2amqo3@4ax.com> Subject: Re: small cell foundation Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:17:26 -0800 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.174 Message-ID: <3be95df0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1005149680 209.23.10.174 (7 Nov 2001 10:14:40 -0600) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30540 HI all, > This particular note/post that you found in the BioBee archives is making > reference to Dadant's first run/attempt at making the 4.9 foundation, which > ended up being 4.98mm. They reworked the mills and are now producing a true > 4.9mm top tolerance. I believe I was one of the ones that posted the info about it measuring 4.98. This was on the diagonal. Across the horizontal it was 4.90. Some did stretch up to 5.05mm. I purchased foundation 3 separate times and the results were quite variable. I opted to buy a mill from Tom Industries. This way I could control the cell size and can mill hot to get in the 4.8 range. To much variation from dadant. The problem may be OK now. If you have 50+ colonies you may wish to mill your own as it will save in the long run. Remember many transition combs may have to be culled Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Aster Honey Pricing X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BE99635.BDFF747@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:14:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 15 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30541 Group, I have around 60lbs of aster honey. It has that characteristic smell/flavor that makes me reluctant to sell as a table grade product. Some is starting to crystalize already even though it is only 2 months old. I plan to go to a local winery and see if I can find someone there who would be interested in buying it for mead making - but I don't know what price is fair to ask. I sell my table grade local honey for around $3/lb. Can anyone suggest a fair price/lb for this local, non-table grade honey? Thanks, Billy Smart Rock, Ks Article 30542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BE9E3FA.299D96E2@hcis.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:46:34 -0800 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Aster Honey Pricing References: <3BE99635.BDFF747@boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.237 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1005176243 66.20.225.237 (7 Nov 2001 17:37:23 -0600) Lines: 35 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-austin!propagator!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30542 Billy Smart wrote: > > Group, > > I have around 60lbs of aster honey. It has that characteristic > smell/flavor that makes me reluctant to sell as a table grade product. > Some is starting to crystalize already even though it is only 2 months > old. I plan to go to a local winery and see if I can find someone there > who would be interested in buying it for mead making - but I don't know > what price is fair to ask. I sell my table grade local honey for around > $3/lb. Can anyone suggest a fair price/lb for this local, non-table > grade honey? > > Thanks, > > Billy Smart > Rock, Ks I have about 100lb of goldenrod/aster honey. I'm thinking if I can get a buck a pound I'll be doing great. Most folks who know of my bee's propensity for putting this stuff up have warned me in advance to *not* send them any, one threatened legal action if I do :) I am contemplating using it for mead this year in the hopes the fragrance dissipates - I am not too optimistic. Someone I know who practices apitherapy claims it is an excellent honey for treating allergies - dunno. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3BC6A622.9837DAD0@lunz.bfl.at> <20011012064449.21090.00002664@mb-fd.aol.com> <3BC98D14.9F9607ED@utanet.at> <4Cqy7.12310$zG.1056712@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> <3BD668E7.491E3FCD@utanet.at> <3BD7B13E.909C323C@lunz.bfl.at> <4R0C7.37585$zG.3163321@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> <3BDB004E.FFDD96B6@utanet.at> <4mKjUCB8O747Ewhr@denrosa.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: SHB - Varroa Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <%goG7.63808$zG.5752967@news1.rdc1.ga.home.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 04:57:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1005195451 24.248.135.205 (Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:57:31 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:57:31 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30543 "Murray McGregor" wrote in message news:4mKjUCB8O747Ewhr@denrosa.demon.co.uk... > In article , David A. > <##daaple@home.com> writes > Just found this thread. > Please could you explain why you would consider this a non-chemical > system? Maybe non-chemical was not a good choice of words. I was looking for any alternative treatments for varroa mites. Apistan appears to be becoming less effective and cumafoss sounds like it is bad stuff to have arround your food. > Burning these things in your smoker will give off chemicals which will > be what has an effect on the bees, mites etc.. Do you know what they > are? Are they dangerous? Just what are the combustion products of > Sassafras berries? I suppose any fuel in the smoker gives off chemicals. At the moment I use pine straw, rotten cedar and sometimes egg cartons (not the Styrofoam type). How much smoke gets into the hive anyway? I just use a few puffs at the front entrance and a few at the top, am I using too little smoke? > Sounds like back to the unsubstantiated 'natural is good, synthetic is > bad' stuff again, when in fact you are *possibly* putting some noxious > derivative into your hives.It just might be something which > pollutes/damages honey, or wax, or wood, or you. > > Even some of the organic style treatments, especially in agriculture, > are far more noxious and persistent than some of the synthetic ones, so > you have to be very wary of just what you are getting into by > using/believing these kind of things. The aura of it all gives a > feelgood factor, but the reality can be different. > Murray McGregor That was why I was asking in this NG. I wanted to see if anyone had any studies or scientific data to substantiate or shoot down the information I had been given. Not knowing one way or the other myself I was just asking. David A. Article 30544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3BE99635.BDFF747@boeing.com> <3BE9E3FA.299D96E2@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Aster Honey Pricing Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:54:56 -0800 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.195 Message-ID: <3be9f35e_2@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1005187934 209.23.5.195 (7 Nov 2001 20:52:14 -0600) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30544 Hi all, Why not blend the honey 3:1 and sell it at your usual $3 per pound? I sell it for what it is as some customers actually prefer this honey others do not. If you sell in bulk it is normal to take less money so shoot for about $1 per pound if possible don't go less than $.75 however. OR make creamed honey out of it and get top dollar as it wants to granulate anyways! Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Продам комбайн Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:23:21 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 47 Message-ID: <9sdrtr$1edn$3@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-182.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1005220603 47543 195.64.228.182 (8 Nov 2001 11:56:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Nov 2001 11:56:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!solar.carrier.kiev.ua!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191629 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30545 sci.agriculture.fruit:4033 sci.agriculture.poultry:32537 sci.agriculture.ratites:1743 УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! 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С уважением, Директор ООО "АВАНТАЖ-АГРО" Наш тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 E-mail:avantag@visti.com Article 30546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: DRHelmick2@webtv.net (Rose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:23:14 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5977-3BEACD92-109@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <18321-3BDDC834-166@storefull-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQfG3FaqO5E4dbq5CTqgXRfxbfkXwIUTGUbmqG5gaOSq5M6k/NyhzeRiBM= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30546 Thanks so much to all who responded to my query. I have not heard from my friend since she returned home, but I believe that as result of your answers, she will be informing her doctors of the bee sting therapy. I will keep you posted of the outcome. Thanks again. Rose Article 30547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "postmost" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: анекдот Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 05:07:17 +0200 Organization: Taide Network AS Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3bedeb10@master.ITCOM.net.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.220.130.34 X-Trace: ally.taide.net 1005447957 18114 193.220.130.34 (11 Nov 2001 03:05:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.taide.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Nov 2001 03:05:57 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.220.128.99 X-Original-Trace: 11 Nov 2001 05:05:52 +0200, 193.220.128.99 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!solar.carrier.kiev.ua!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!news.ukr.net!news.donbass.net!news.taide.net!master.ITCOM.net.ua Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30547 Пришел в колхоз молодой зоотехник сразу после института и быстро замучил всех своей ученостью. Стали думать, куда бы его деть.Придумали. Председатель вызвал и сказал -вот тебе клемо, нужно переклеймить всю живность... Молодой исчез на целый месяц. Потом приходет весь ужасно измученный синий и опухший...---?????где был??? Да вот козы, овцы - быстро, а вот с пчелами пришлось повозиться... Article 30548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SICILIAN BEES Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 02:27:02 +0100 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9sm9d4$bcj$1@pegasus.tiscalinet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-10-158-235.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: pegasus.tiscalinet.it 1005496548 11667 62.10.158.235 (11 Nov 2001 16:35:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Nov 2001 16:35:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!excite.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30548 you greet to everybody I have to ask you an information, to whose respect has not succeeded to find any news. I am a beginner Italian apiarist, that raises his/her bees in a territory of hill. I now ask to you: The bees set to puts of the hill, badminton always toward the top of the hill to look for the food, this because?, if there pits of the food on the fund of the hill, would the bees go to pick him/it up?. Besides someone knows if the bees succeed in going beyond a hill in their search, of food? best regards from my Sicilian bees Article 30549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Nov 2001 18:16:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Brood Frames Waxed Together Message-ID: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30549 I keep a hive in New York. I started from a nuc this spring, then added two deep supers, the top super being mostly filled with pollen and honey. On top of that I added a queen excluder and a honey super. Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame below it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) I've left it as is up till now, not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. But this also has meant I cannot apply mite strips to the lower deep super. So I haven't used any medication at all. I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb off these frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Given the state of my hive when should I do this - in the spring? 2) What are the likely effects of not medicating - and is it too late to medicate now? 3) Any way to medicate other than using strips ? Thanks. Article 30550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Nov 2001 18:40:00 GMT References: <9sm9d4$bcj$1@pegasus.tiscalinet.it> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: SICILIAN BEES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20011111134000.27788.00002776@mb-bg.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news-int.gatech.edu!cc.gatech.edu!finch!nntp.msstate.edu!news.memphis.edu!news.uky.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30550 Your bees will fly several kilometers in search of food. If the hive is sited to cause the bees to fly over an obstruction the bees will remain at that height until they reach forage. This translation was from the altavista.com website and it may be a bit rough Le vostre api piloteranno parecchi chilometri alla ricerca di alimento. Se l' alveare Х situato per indurre le api a volare sopra un' ostruzione rimarranno a quell' altezza fino a che non raggiungano il foraggio. Article 30551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Nov 2001 19:06:52 GMT References: <20011111134000.27788.00002776@mb-bg.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: SICILIAN BEES Message-ID: <20011111140652.27801.00002341@mb-bg.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30551 A friend tells me my computer translation might be a bit confusing and that this might be closer. Le vostre api piloteranno parecchi chilometri per trovare l'alimento se gli alveari sono situati in modo da le api devono volare sopra un'ostruzione che le api rimarranno a quell'altezza fino a che non raggiungano il foraggio. Article 30552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:11:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3beef514.178369751@news1.radix.net> References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30552 On 11 Nov 2001 18:16:03 GMT, gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) wrote: >I keep a hive in New York. I started from a nuc this spring, then added two >deep supers, the top super being mostly filled with pollen and honey. On top >of that I added a queen excluder and a honey super. > >Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are >virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame below >it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) I've left it as is up till now, >not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. But this also has meant I cannot apply >mite strips to the lower deep super. So I haven't used any medication at all. > >I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb off these >frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Given the state of >my hive when should I do this - in the spring? 2) What are the likely effects >of not medicating - and is it too late to medicate now? 3) Any way to medicate >other than using strips ? > >Thanks. If you haven't looked at the brood by now you won't get to see any. Disturb the brood? Hell, mother nature didn't even give them feet so they just have to lay there and eat until they hatch. How in the hell can looking at them disturb them? They are bugs for Christ sakes. How can you have questions? It is obvious that you haven't read anything about beekeeping, haven't attended any local bee club meetings, or even been inside your own beehive. One has to observe things before one can postulate or question. Best thing to do now is dig a big hole to bury the hive in. The chances of them making it to spring are slim. People like you shouldn't have animals. Hopefully you will do better with your children. beekeep Article 30553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:43:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 33 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30553 harsh words beekeep. everybody has to learn, you didn't make any mistakes at beekeeping at first? "Gwongdung" wrote in message news:20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com... > I keep a hive in New York. I started from a nuc this spring, then added two > deep supers, the top super being mostly filled with pollen and honey. On top > of that I added a queen excluder and a honey super. > > Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are > virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame below > it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) I've left it as is up till now, > not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. But this also has meant I cannot apply > mite strips to the lower deep super. So I haven't used any medication at all. > > I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb off these > frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Given the state of > my hive when should I do this - in the spring? 2) What are the likely effects > of not medicating - and is it too late to medicate now? 3) Any way to medicate > other than using strips ? > > Thanks. Article 30554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "michael tidwell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:07:43 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.129.16.39 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 1005523400 66.129.16.39 (Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:03:20 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:03:20 CST Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30554 Harsh words........ yes Unjustified.........no truthful...........very mike Article 30555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Date: 11 Nov 2001 18:34:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.137.181.168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1005532445 682 127.0.0.1 (12 Nov 2001 02:34:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Nov 2001 02:34:05 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30555 Howdy G -- Not to worry. The waxing is a normal thing. Some comb is brace come, some is bridge comb to cross from frame to frame. Some is burr comb between supers or boxes because of crowding during the honey flow (the QX could cause some of this. Ignore it and work the bees as is there was not waxing. Scraping off the extra comb would be temporary and it would be built back. I assume that you are using 10 frames properly spaced. The time to scrape off wax is when finished extracting or when population is low in early spring. Don't take it too seriously. Other mite treatment? Search all available forum postings and whatever books you have. I am having good results with mineral oil. Search it. Pete ********************************************************************** Article 30556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Date: 11 Nov 2001 22:04:30 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9snope0311p@drn.newsguy.com> References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-415.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.90 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30556 In article <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com>, gwongdung@aol.com says... > >I keep a hive in New York. I started from a nuc this spring, then added two >deep supers, the top super being mostly filled with pollen and honey. On top >of that I added a queen excluder and a honey super. > >Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are >virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame below >it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) I've left it as is up till now, >not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. But this also has meant I cannot apply >mite strips to the lower deep super. So I haven't used any medication at all. > >I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb off these >frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Given the state of >my hive when should I do this - in the spring? 2) What are the likely effects >of not medicating - and is it too late to medicate now? 3) Any way to medicate >other than using strips ? > >Thanks. Article 30557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BEFE30C.4A02CE34@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> <3beef514.178369751@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:56:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 20 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news2.euro.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30557 > > If you haven't looked at the brood by now you won't get to see any. > Disturb the brood? Hell, mother nature didn't even give them feet so > they just have to lay there and eat until they hatch. How in the hell > can looking at them disturb them? They are bugs for Christ sakes. > > How can you have questions? It is obvious that you haven't read > anything about beekeeping, haven't attended any local bee club > meetings, or even been inside your own beehive. One has to observe > things before one can postulate or question. > > Best thing to do now is dig a big hole to bury the hive in. The > chances of them making it to spring are slim. People like you > shouldn't have animals. Hopefully you will do better with your > children. > > beekeep Jeez, Beekeep. Did somebody slip some testosterone into your apistan? Article 30558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BEFEDFD.6D8BA6D@se.bel.alcatel.be> From: Hugo Thone Organization: Alcatel Telecom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SICILIAN BEES References: <9sm9d4$bcj$1@pegasus.tiscalinet.it> <20011111134000.27788.00002776@mb-bg.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:42:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.207.101.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@Belgium.EU.net X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1005579774 195.207.101.254 (Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:42:54 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:42:54 MET Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.esat.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nloc1.kpnqwest.net!nloc.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30558 BeeCrofter wrote: > .... > This translation was from the altavista.com website and it may be a bit rough > > Le vostre api piloteranno ..... I guess the english text from Salvatore was produced by the altavista.com website as well ;-) ciao, Hugo (half a bee) -- Hugo Thone do bee do bee do ... email : hugo.thone@alcatel.be (\ phone : +32-(0)3-240.94.52 {|||8- fax : +32-(0)3-240.99.49 (/ Article 30559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:07:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 1005581221 66.31.162.107 (Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:07:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:07:01 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30559 "Gwongdung" wrote in message news:20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com... > I keep a hive in New York. I started from a nuc this spring, then added two > deep supers, the top super being mostly filled with pollen and honey. On top > of that I added a queen excluder and a honey super. > > Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are > virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame below > it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) I've left it as is up till now, > not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. But this also has meant I cannot apply > mite strips to the lower deep super. So I haven't used any medication at all. > > I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb off these > frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Given the state of > my hive when should I do this - in the spring? The large amount of comb between the boxes is indicative of too large a space between them. Some equipment just leaves too much space, and the bees fill it up. You'll need to get in the habit of cleaning it up once in a while. Or shave a bit off one or both of the boxes... but that'll be tough to do full of bees ;-) > 2) What are the likely effects of not medicating Depends on the mite load up to now... if they were already weakened by mites, etc., they won't make it to spring. If they were in good shape, you've got a chance. Pray for easy weather. > - and is it too late to medicate now? Yes, at least with Apistan. > 3) Any way to medicate other than using strips ? Not sure... check around. But it's awfully cold to do anything. Most treatments rely on either the bees moving around and making contact with something, or eating it - neither of which will happen much if they're clustered up in the cold. If you haven't already, I suggest finding a local beekeeping association and join - they often run classes during the winter and that may help you for next year. -Steve Article 30560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: gherp@NOSPAM.freemail.it (Paolo Gherpelli) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SICILIAN BEES References: <20011111134000.27788.00002776@mb-bg.aol.com> <20011111140652.27801.00002341@mb-bg.aol.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux) Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:43:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.30.132.170 X-Complaints-To: abuse@libero.it X-Trace: news.infostrada.it 1005587010 151.30.132.170 (Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:43:30 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:43:30 MET Organization: [Infostrada] Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news.mailgate.org!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!nntp.infostrada.it!news.infostrada.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30560 In article <20011111140652.27801.00002341@mb-bg.aol.com>, BeeCrofter wrote: > > Le vostre api piloteranno parecchi chilometri per trovare l'alimento se gli > alveari sono situati in modo da le api devono volare sopra un'ostruzione che le > api rimarranno a quell'altezza fino a che non raggiungano il foraggio. Hello everybody, I'm Italian ! Another translation could be (i think it's more comprehensible): Le vostre api voleranno molti chilometri in cerca di cibo. Se l'arnia e' posizionata in modo da costringere le api a volare oltre un ostacolo le api rimarranno a quell'altezza fino a raggiungere una fonte di cibo. Ciao Article 30561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top 10 reasons for being a beehaver Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:43:10 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3bf00868.248857126@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30561 A recent previous post sparked this one. It is hard to figure out why people insist on wasting their hard earned cash. Ther has got to be a reason. I am sure you guys can come up with some more good ones. Feel free to add to the list. TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING A BEEHAVER: 10. You only have to put on your bee suit once a year to hive your package. 9. You don▓t have to buy any of those expensive medications for your bees. 8. You don▓t have to decide weather to buy plastic or glass containers for your honey crop. 7. Cleaning frames after the wax moths get done gives you something to do in the winter. 6. You can make multiple copies of your bee supply order since it will be the same each year; one package of bees, 20 sheets of foundation. 5. You don▓t need a smoker or hive tool. 4. You never have to take your bee suit to the dry cleaners. 3. You don▓t have to buy all that expensive extracting equipment. 2. You get to talk to a local beekeeper when buying their honey to give away at Christmas. and the number one reason: 1. For less than $100 a year you get to brag to all your friends and relatives that you are a beekeeper without getting all those nasty stings! beekeep Article 30562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Date: 12 Nov 2001 09:41:46 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 88 Message-ID: <9sp1kq0uv9@drn.newsguy.com> References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> <3beef514.178369751@news1.radix.net> <3BEFE30C.4A02CE34@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-564.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.90 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30562 >I keep a hive in New York. ...two deep supers, the top super being mostly >filled with pollen and honey. On top of that I added a queen excluder and >a honey super. First off, let my apologize for the abusive and 100% answer-free replies posted by others. No wonder beekeeping is a dying art - new beekeepers don't want to be treated like Marine recruits at boot camp! What happened to you has happened even to the best of us - one can "forget" to check a hive if one's records and procedures are not perfect, and neglected hives tend to build bridge comb. >Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are >virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame >below If the bees have not yet clustered, or if the day is warm, there is no time like the present to clean this up. Use your hive tool to pry the upper and lower deeps apart about 1/2 inch, and then tilt the upper hive body up, and slide it forward to break the bridge comb. If this becomes difficult, use the hive tool as a crowbar, and slide a length of piano wire (or violin string) between the 2 hive bodies. Then, using a sawing motion, slide the wire through the hive to cut the bridge comb. Attaching the piano wire to wooden handles at each will help your grip. >it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) These are easier. Remove a frame or two that are not "bridged", and then pry the bridged frames apart, sliding them within the hive to break the bridge comb. Then remove the bridged frames, and scrape or trim as needed. Your hive tool is great for scraping, but not so great for trimming comb protrusions. Use a bread knife. >I've left it as is up till now, not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. This was a bad move, as you have learned. Never hesitate to nip bridge comb in the bud. >But this also has meant I cannot apply mite strips to the lower deep super. >So I haven't used any medication at all. But why did you not at least put the mite strips in the upper deep? Why did you not at least put a bag of menthol on top of the frames in the upper deep? >I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb >off these frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Clearly, yes. Look what happened when you did not. There is no reason to disturb a hive during a nectar flow solely for this purpose, but one should do some sort of hive inspection "once a month" or so, to verify that one sees eggs and sealed brood, and hence, still have a queen that is laying. >Given the state of my hive when should I do this - in the spring? "No time like the present." Is a mantra of beekeeping. Delay and procrastination are the biggest single cause of poor honey crops and dead hives. If the temperature is high enough to work hives at all, get it done. >2) What are the likely effects of not medicating - Clearly, the hive can die off. Varroa tends to kill hives in the fall, tracheal mites tend to kill hives in early winter, and starvation tends to kill hives in late winter, early spring. > and is it too late to medicate now? I'd forget about Apistan strips, since it simply will not be warm enough for the Apistan to have much effect. If your hive population is good, you may have dodged the varroa bullet by pure luck. I'd toss a bag of menthol on top of the frames, because it cannot hurt, and it cannot create a resistance problem when delivering a "low dose". Next time do both in August or September or whenever you pull off your fall honey. > 3) Any way to medicate other than using strips ? There are LOTS of medications, each for a different thing. You need to find and join a local beekeeping group to find out about this and other issues. You need to know about more than varroa. There are tracheal mites, nosema, two kinds of foulbrood, and even hive beetles. You need local expertise that can interact with you, and SHOW you hive management practices that work. Article 30563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Date: 12 Nov 2001 15:59:10 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0111121559.fc9bf3@posting.google.com> References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.226.179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1005609551 20545 127.0.0.1 (12 Nov 2001 23:59:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Nov 2001 23:59:11 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30563 gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) wrote in message news:<20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com>... > I keep a hive in New York. I started from a nuc this spring, then added two > deep supers, the top super being mostly filled with pollen and honey. On top > of that I added a queen excluder and a honey super. > > Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are > virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame below > it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) I've left it as is up till now, > not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. But this also has meant I cannot apply > mite strips to the lower deep super. So I haven't used any medication at all. > > I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb off these > frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Given the state of > my hive when should I do this - in the spring? 2) What are the likely effects > of not medicating - and is it too late to medicate now? 3) Any way to medicate > other than using strips ? > > Thanks. Take no notice of the abusive comments, just scrape off all the burr comb that you can get at, then complete the restnext year if it is too cold where you keep your bees. The major problem causing the build up of burr comb is the lack of proper bee space, do your supers have bottom bee space? if your brood chambers happen to have top bee space as well as bottom bee space in your supers then this will encourage the build up of wax. keep to one or the other. Article 30564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Date: 12 Nov 2001 16:04:10 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0111121604.6f5fd94@posting.google.com> References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.226.179 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1005609850 20660 127.0.0.1 (13 Nov 2001 00:04:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2001 00:04:10 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30564 gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) wrote in message news:<20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com>... > I keep a hive in New York. I started from a nuc this spring, then added two > deep supers, the top super being mostly filled with pollen and honey. On top > of that I added a queen excluder and a honey super. > > Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are > virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame below > it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) I've left it as is up till now, > not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. But this also has meant I cannot apply > mite strips to the lower deep super. So I haven't used any medication at all. > > I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb off these > frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Given the state of > my hive when should I do this - in the spring? 2) What are the likely effects > of not medicating - and is it too late to medicate now? 3) Any way to medicate > other than using strips ? > > Thanks. the most probable reason for excess burr comb is the improper bee spaces. make sure that both your brood and supers have the same bee spaces between them. also check that you have the proper bee spaces between your frames. Incidently take no notice of those morons that can only use abuse to pass anything on. The main thing now is to get rid of what burr comb you can and if it is too cold where you keep your bees then wait until the warmer weather and then sort it out then. If your colonies die then take it as a learning curve. Most important is join a local bee association and get genned up about the best way to keep bees Article 30565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,ukr.commerce Subject: Re: ВАМ ЭТО НЕОБХОДИМО Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:20:08 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9sr3gi$fes$10@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-150.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1005654354 15836 195.64.228.150 (13 Nov 2001 12:25:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2001 12:25:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.sovam.com!news.kiev.sovam.com!Svitonline.COM!colocall.net!news.tsystems.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191670 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30565 sci.agriculture.fruit:4034 sci.agriculture.poultry:32661 sci.agriculture.ratites:1746 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! > > Куплю за наличный расчет рукава высокого давления в > неограниченном количестве, желательно сотрудничество на постоянной основе. > > Гост 6286-73 - 8 грн. > 11-12-21.0 > > Гост 62-86-73 - 8.5 грн. > 11-16-16.5-11 > > Гост ТУ 38605113-91 - 9 грн. > 20-15 > > > С уважением, > > Василий Викторович > > тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > E-mail: avantag@visti.com > > > > > > > > > > Article 30566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Вам это очень надо!!! Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:20:30 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 66 Message-ID: <9sr3gp$fes$13@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-150.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1005654361 15836 195.64.228.150 (13 Nov 2001 12:26:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2001 12:26:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!news000.worldonline.se!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!isdnet!news.internetia.pl!newsfeed.tpinternet.pl!news.nask.pl!news.uar.net!news2.dg.net.ua!news.adamant.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191671 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30566 sci.agriculture.fruit:4035 sci.agriculture.poultry:32662 sci.agriculture.ratites:1747 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА! > > > Предлагаем запчасти к с/х технике: > > 1. Гидрораспределители Р-80 всех модификаций на трактора: > К-700,Т-40, ЮМЗ, ДТ-75, МТЗ на эскалаторы и погрузчики. > Р-160 всех модификаций на трактора К-700 и Т-130. > 2.Гидроцелиндры: ЦС - 75, 100, 110(К-700, Т-150),Муфта разрывная > 3. Насосы НШ-32,50 и 100 всех модификаций на технику: > МАЗ, Т-130, МТЗ, К-700, Т-150К, Т-150, ДТ-75. > 4.Турбокомпрессоры: ТКР 8.5 всех модификаций на двигатели: > СМД-18,19, СМД-21, СМД-31, Д-440-21 > ТКР-11 Н-1, Н-2 ДВ СМД-18, СМД-60 > ТКР-11 Н-3 Д-160, ТКР ЯМЗ 238 НБ. > 5.Топлевные насосы высокого давления на двигатели:ЯМЗ-238, А-01, А-41. > Д-160, СМД-60, Д-240, Д-65, Д-144, Д-21, СМД-18, ЯМЗ-240, > 6.Поршневая группа: СМД - 14, 20, 22, 60, 62.А-41, Д-144, 240, 65. > 7.Поршневые кольца:СМД-20, 22, 60, 14,А-41, Д-240, 65, 144. > 8.Пара плужерная: Д-240, 65(УТН-5)СМД-18, 20 А-41(ЛСТН) > 9.Фильтры-патрон - СМД-60, 20Фильтр в КПП СМД-60 > Фильтры-топливные Д240, СМД-60, 18, > 10.Вал коленчатый: СМД-18, 20, 60. Д-65, 240, 144. > 11.Насос водяной: Д-240 (чугун., алюмин.)Д-65, А-41 СМД-60 СМД-18 > Рем.комплект помпы Д-240,Д-65Рем.комплект СМД-60 > 12.Рулевое управление: Наконечник рулевых тяг МТЗ, ГУР ЮМЗ ГУР МТЗ > 13.Прокладка ГБЦ:СМД-14.18.20,31,60СМД-Д-240,Д-65 А-41,01.ЯМЗ-240,ГАЗ-52,53 > 14.Секция высокого давления: СМД-60, Т-25, Д-144 > 15.Насос подкачки: СМД-60, 18. Д-240. > 16.Рукав высокого давления - в ассортименте. > 17.Вкладыши (моторокомпл.)Д-240,37,65. СМД-20,60. > 18.Распылитель:СМД-14,18,20,31,60. Д-240,65,144.А-41.ЯМЗ, КАМАЗ > 19.Компрессор:ЗИЛ,Т-150,КАМАЗ,МТЗ > 20.Гениратор: МТЗ,ЮМЗ,Т-150 > 21.Стартер: МТЗ,ЮМЗ,Т-40,Т-25 > 22.Насос топливный - в ассортименте > 23.Головка блока: Д-240, Д-65 /голая/СМД-20,22 А-41/голая/СМД-60 /голая/ > 24.Сцепление - корзина м/сцепления, диск, накладка - в ассортименте > 25.ПД-10, П-350 (в сборе) - в ассортименте. > 26.Ремни - в ассортименте. > 27.Система охлаждения - Радиатор МТЗ, Сердцевина радиатора Т-150,ЮМЗ. > 28.Кольца Мичуринские в ассортименте. > > Прайс вышлем по запросу. > Наш тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > E-mail: avantag@visti.com > > ООО "АВАНТАЖ-АГРО" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 30567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Продам комбайн Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:21:48 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 49 Message-ID: <9sr3h5$fes$25@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-150.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1005654373 15836 195.64.228.150 (13 Nov 2001 12:26:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2001 12:26:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!isdnet!news.internetia.pl!news.nask.pl!news.uar.net!news2.dg.net.ua!news.adamant.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191672 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30567 sci.agriculture.fruit:4036 sci.agriculture.poultry:32663 sci.agriculture.ratites:1748 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! > > > Продам: > > Комбайн "Дон-1500Б" имеет следующую комплектацию: > > -молотилка (сам комбайн) с наклонной камерой и кондиционером > -копнитель,либо измельчитель(по желанию) > -жатка 6,0м.,либо 7,0м.(по желанию) > -подборщик > -платформа-подборщик > -отопитель кабины > -двигатель ЯМЗ-238(Ярославский) > В зависимости от комплектации цена изменяется. > > > Комбайн "Нива" СК-5М-1 имеет следующую комплектацию: > > -молотилка с наклонной камерой и вентилятором > -копнитель,либо измельчитель(по желанию) > -жатка 4,1м.,либо 5,0м.(по желанию) > -подборщик > -платформа-подборщик > -отопитель кабины > -двигатель Д-242(Алтайский) > В зависимости от комплектации цена изменяется > > Надеемся на дальнейшее партнёрство. > > > С уважением, > > Директор > ООО "АВАНТАЖ-АГРО" > > Наш тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > E-mail:avantag@visti.com > > > > > > > Article 30568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:27:02 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3bf10346.52496842@news1.radix.net> References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> <4169b71c.0111121604.6f5fd94@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p48.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30568 On 12 Nov 2001 16:04:10 -0800, albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) wrote: >gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) wrote in message news:<20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com>... >> I keep a hive in New York. I started from a nuc this spring, then added two >> deep supers, the top super being mostly filled with pollen and honey. On top >> of that I added a queen excluder and a honey super. >> >> Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are >> virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame below >> it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) I've left it as is up till now, >> not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. But this also has meant I cannot apply >> mite strips to the lower deep super. So I haven't used any medication at all. >> >> I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb off these >> frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Given the state of >> my hive when should I do this - in the spring? 2) What are the likely effects >> of not medicating - and is it too late to medicate now? 3) Any way to medicate >> other than using strips ? >> >> Thanks. > >the most probable reason for excess burr comb is the improper bee >spaces. >make sure that both your brood and supers have the same bee spaces >between them. >also check that you have the proper bee spaces between your frames. >Incidently take no notice of those morons that can only use abuse to >pass anything on. The main thing now is to get rid of what burr comb >you can and if it is too cold where you keep your bees then wait until >the warmer weather and then sort it out then. If your colonies die >then take it as a learning curve. Most important is join a local bee >association and get genned up about the best way to keep bees Yeah, like he is going to any idea what bee space is. Good one! beekeep Article 30569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive entrance restriction. Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:01:25 +0000 Organization: University of York Lines: 25 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3BF0FD85.6D4A372D@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1005649291 17708 144.32.85.141 (13 Nov 2001 11:01:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2001 11:01:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!80.65.228.52.MISMATCH!deine.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!easynet-monga!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30569 Hi all, I was wondering what folk thought about hive entrance restrictions this time of year. (I'm in Yorkshire U.K). I▓ve now got the mouse guards on but am wondering whether or not to leave the entrance restriction in place. There are still a few wasps about even though the first frosts have arrived. For the past three years my spring inspections have often been through hives with combs of damp, fermenting stores. I have tried propping the crownboard on matchsticks but the clever little so and so▓s just bung up any gaps they find. So the decision is: Should I leave the restrictions on: Easy for the bees to defend, and greater insulation. But with the problem of less ventilation┘. Any thoughts welcome. Thanks, Paul. Article 30570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Hive entrance restriction. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3BF12B4D.5882A80C@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3BF0FD85.6D4A372D@york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:16:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 29 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsgate.cistron.nl!news2.euro.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30570 You might try screened entrance reducers. They use 1/4" mesh that don't allow mice through but allow airflow. Paul Waites wrote: > > Hi all, > > I was wondering what folk thought about hive entrance restrictions this > time of year. (I'm in Yorkshire U.K). > > I?ve now got the mouse guards on but am wondering whether or not to > leave the entrance restriction in place. There are still a few wasps > about even though the first frosts have arrived. > > For the past three years my spring inspections have often been through > hives with combs of damp, fermenting stores. I have tried propping the > crownboard on matchsticks but the clever little so and so?s just bung up > any gaps they find. > > So the decision is: Should I leave the restrictions on: Easy for the > bees to defend, and greater insulation. But with the problem of less > ventilation?. > > Any thoughts welcome. > > Thanks, > > Paul. Article 30571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Nov 2001 16:47:57 GMT References: <3BF12B4D.5882A80C@boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Hive entrance restriction. Message-ID: <20011113114757.22610.00002503@mb-mn.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30571 1/4" is a little on the small side. Article 30572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swapping frames of bees to balance population Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:24:31 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 37 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30572 Hello everyone, I read somewhere recently that in balancing hive populations, one can swap whole frames of bees from, say, a populous hive to a less populous hive without causing fighting between the bees merged. Is this true? Would it work at this time of year? In particular, I have an overwintering nuc which is marginal in population and I also have several very populous hives. So...I am considering just selecting a frame of two from one or more of these populous hives on a warm temp day (Seattle area is still in the mid-fifties daytime-nights in mid-40s). Then the frame(s) of bees get swapped into the "needy" nuc. My reading indicated, if I remember correctly, that by swapping whole frames of bees at a time, there would be no fighting. Of course I would probably at least use some smoking and I could, if necessary use some peppermint essence as a scent on the top bars. Can anyone confirm (by direct experience or reading) this procedure, i.e. of non-fighting when balancing the population between hives? I don't want to do my needy nuc any harm in this process-they are raising brood, but it's just a slow process when temp regulation is such a challenge with a small (1.5 frames of bees) population. OTOH, maybe leavng things the way they are and continuing with 2:1 top bar feeding with pollen & grease patties is good enough, since what bees that are there won't need "replacement" until flying time. The queen is a healthy new russian, btw, introduced to this new "made up" nuc about one and half months ago. I guess I just didn't give them quite enough house bees when I put the nuc together. Your experience and opinions? Tom Monroe, WA Article 30573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive entrance restriction. Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:40:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3bf1a10f.38896079@news1.radix.net> References: <3BF0FD85.6D4A372D@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30573 On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:01:25 +0000, Paul Waites wrote: >Hi all, > >I was wondering what folk thought about hive entrance restrictions this >time of year. (I'm in Yorkshire U.K). > >I▓ve now got the mouse guards on but am wondering whether or not to >leave the entrance restriction in place. There are still a few wasps >about even though the first frosts have arrived. > >For the past three years my spring inspections have often been through >hives with combs of damp, fermenting stores. I have tried propping the >crownboard on matchsticks but the clever little so and so▓s just bung up >any gaps they find. > >So the decision is: Should I leave the restrictions on: Easy for the >bees to defend, and greater insulation. But with the problem of less >ventilation┘. > >Any thoughts welcome. > >Thanks, > >Paul. > > Screened bottom boards are getting real popular on this side of the pond for help with varroa control. Maybe you should try one. beekeep Article 30574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive entrance restriction. Date: 13 Nov 2001 14:22:39 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 34 Message-ID: <700de225.0111131422.13b55403@posting.google.com> References: <3BF0FD85.6D4A372D@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.123.68.209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1005690160 9168 127.0.0.1 (13 Nov 2001 22:22:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2001 22:22:40 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30574 Paul Waites wrote in message news:<3BF0FD85.6D4A372D@york.ac.uk>... > Hi all, > > I was wondering what folk thought about hive entrance restrictions this > time of year. (I'm in Yorkshire U.K). > > I've now got the mouse guards on but am wondering whether or not to > leave the entrance restriction in place. There are still a few wasps > about even though the first frosts have arrived. > > For the past three years my spring inspections have often been through > hives with combs of damp, fermenting stores. I have tried propping the > crownboard on matchsticks but the clever little so and so's just bung up > any gaps they find. > > So the decision is: Should I leave the restrictions on: Easy for the > bees to defend, and greater insulation. But with the problem of less > ventilation┘. > Paul I'm in Scotland and have always jusr used a cut down frame top; been keeping for 40 years and never had a problem. Don't know why you have one so I can't offer you a solution - is it the type of hive ? do you put added insulation under the lid or seal the rest of the hive in some way ? Rob > Any thoughts welcome. > > Thanks, > > Paul. Article 30575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swapping frames of bees to balance population Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:45:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3bf1a1c1.39074221@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30575 On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:24:31 -0800, "Tom S" wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I read somewhere recently that in balancing hive populations, one can swap >whole frames of bees from, say, a populous hive to a less populous hive >without causing fighting between the bees merged. Is this true? Would it >work at this time of year? > >In particular, I have an overwintering nuc which is marginal in population >and I also have several very populous hives. So...I am considering just >selecting a frame of two from one or more of these populous hives on a warm >temp day (Seattle area is still in the mid-fifties daytime-nights in >mid-40s). Then the frame(s) of bees get swapped into the "needy" nuc. > >My reading indicated, if I remember correctly, that by swapping whole frames >of bees at a time, there would be no fighting. Of course I would probably >at least use some smoking and I could, if necessary use some peppermint >essence as a scent on the top bars. > >Can anyone confirm (by direct experience or reading) this procedure, i.e. of >non-fighting when balancing the population between hives? I don't want to >do my needy nuc any harm in this process-they are raising brood, but it's >just a slow process when temp regulation is such a challenge with a small >(1.5 frames of bees) population. OTOH, maybe leavng things the way they are >and continuing with 2:1 top bar feeding with pollen & grease patties is good >enough, since what bees that are there won't need "replacement" until flying >time. > >The queen is a healthy new russian, btw, introduced to this new "made up" >nuc about one and half months ago. I guess I just didn't give them quite >enough house bees when I put the nuc together. > >Your experience and opinions? > >Tom >Monroe, WA > > In the spring when they are working this works fine. This time of year you may just cause the nuke to be totally robbed out. The bees from the strong hive may go back to the old hive carrying a load with them. A much better solution would be to put the nuke over a strong hive with a double screen board. The heat rising from the bottom hive will help them out. Beekeep Article 30576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Hirst" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons for being a beehaver Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:23:42 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 51 Message-ID: <9ssa6r$r8j$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> References: <3bf00868.248857126@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-67-153.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30576 No trouble from the wife for brining it all in to the house. No swarms On a Sunday Morning, or half way through a BBQ. "beekeep" wrote in message news:3bf00868.248857126@news1.radix.net... > A recent previous post sparked this one. It is hard to figure out why > people insist on wasting their hard earned cash. Ther has got to be a > reason. > > I am sure you guys can come up with some more good ones. Feel free to > add to the list. > > TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING A BEEHAVER: > > 10. You only have to put on your bee suit once a year to hive your > package. > > 9. You don't have to buy any of those expensive medications for your > bees. > > 8. You don't have to decide weather to buy plastic or glass > containers for your honey crop. > > 7. Cleaning frames after the wax moths get done gives you something > to do in the winter. > > 6. You can make multiple copies of your bee supply order since it > will be the same each year; one package of bees, 20 sheets of > foundation. > > 5. You don't need a smoker or hive tool. > > 4. You never have to take your bee suit to the dry cleaners. > > 3. You don't have to buy all that expensive extracting equipment. > > 2. You get to talk to a local beekeeper when buying their honey to > give away at Christmas. > > and the number one reason: > > 1. For less than $100 a year you get to brag to all your friends and > relatives that you are a beekeeper without getting all those nasty > stings! > > beekeep > > > Article 30577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: scullion@home.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood Frames Waxed Together Reply-To: scullion@home.com Message-ID: <3bf1e9f3.3059542@news> References: <20011111131603.10623.00001935@mb-bd.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 03:52:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.156.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.bc.home.com 1005709936 24.66.156.36 (Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:52:16 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:52:16 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30577 Smells like Beekeep harvested a sour honey. On 11 Nov 2001 18:16:03 GMT, gwongdung@aol.com (Gwongdung) wrote: >I keep a hive in New York. I started from a nuc this spring, then added two >deep supers, the top super being mostly filled with pollen and honey. On top >of that I added a queen excluder and a honey super. > >Since mid summer or before, all the frames below the queen excluder are >virtually glued together by burr comb. (one frame is waxed to the frame below >it, and a few frames are even waxed sideways.) I've left it as is up till now, >not wanting to disturb unhatched brood. But this also has meant I cannot apply >mite strips to the lower deep super. So I haven't used any medication at all. > >I have several questions. 1) In the future should I scrape burr comb off these >frames every couple of weeks to keep it from accumulating ? Given the state of >my hive when should I do this - in the spring? 2) What are the likely effects >of not medicating - and is it too late to medicate now? 3) Any way to medicate >other than using strips ? > >Thanks. Article 30578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Y. Manheim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: access greed? Organization: Salon SFCAUSA Message-ID: User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990805 ("onykqo") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.13 (i686)) Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:27:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.42.4.82 X-Trace: newsr02. 1005780469 62.42.4.82 (Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:27:49 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:27:49 MET Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nntp5.savvis.net!newsfeed.frii.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news.telia-iberia.com!newsf01.!newsr02..POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30578 Above all, think this through: Why is spam so annoying? Because you like the ease and convenience of e-mail, that's why. So your in box matters to you. Over the last decade it has become hugely easier and quicker for you to contact others on a much bigger scale than photocopied letters or even fax machines ever let us dream of. And you resent the fact that hundreds of thousands of nobodies now find it correspondingly easier to contact you? This is worse than snobbery; this is "access greed": wanting to have access to others for yourself but for them not to have access to you. This is the dirty secret of the anti-spammers. You want free speech for yourselves, and perhaps for others sometimes -- as long as you don't have to listen too often. Even listening for the 30 seconds it takes to delete a bunch of uninvited petitions is apparently too much for these people. Free speech -- as long as it has a nice, secure one-way valve attached? http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/11/14/spam_love/index.html -- Get your unbelievably wasting dog near my river. Article 30579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Morphometry Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:37:53 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30579 For those interested in improving their stock. Today I hung a page on our web site dealing with a new method of plotting the salient points for Cubital Index and Discoidal shift. Ruary Rudd has designed an MS Excel spreadsheet which allows the use of a scanner and computer to plot and interpret the points necessary. This will allow you to establish the racial or strain purity or lack of, in your stock. Please visit http://www.beeworks.com and follow the links on our Home Page. My Thanks to, Ruary Rudd for the spreadsheet. Chris Slade for information. Albert Knight of BIBBA for file downloads. Regards Dave... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 30580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swapping frames of bees to balance population Date: 14 Nov 2001 10:13:53 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 33 Message-ID: <993fd181.0111141013.5250029d@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1005761633 26275 127.0.0.1 (14 Nov 2001 18:13:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Nov 2001 18:13:53 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30580 "Tom S" wrote in message news:... > Hello everyone, > > I read somewhere recently that in balancing hive populations, one can swap > whole frames of bees from, say, a populous hive to a less populous hive > without causing fighting between the bees merged. Is this true? Would it > work at this time of year? > > In particular, I have an overwintering nuc which is marginal in population > and I also have several very populous hives. So...I am considering just > selecting a frame of two from one or more of these populous hives on a warm > temp day (Seattle area is still in the mid-fifties daytime-nights in > mid-40s). Then the frame(s) of bees get swapped into the "needy" nuc. > > My reading indicated, if I remember correctly, that by swapping whole frames > of bees at a time, there would be no fighting. Of course I would probably > at least use some smoking and I could, if necessary use some peppermint > essence as a scent on the top bars. Beekeep has the right solution if you are trying to save a weak unit over winter because of the special genetics of the queen. As a general rule,it isnt wise to save a weak hive nor weaken a good one going into winter.When we find a weak hive at this time of year we just shake or brush the bees off the combs in front of the closest hive and bring in the equipment.Easy to put a split or swarm in next spring.Just make sure the hive wasnt weak because of AFB or the problem will continue.Normal cause of weak hives at this time is old wore out queens,or varroa mite damage from ineffective treatments.Of course this doesnt apply to your late split,the queen just didnt have enough time to build it up. I dont think 1.5 frames of bees has any chance whatsoever to make it. Mike Article 30581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive entrance restriction. Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:30:30 +0000 Organization: University of York Lines: 19 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <3BF255D6.5620401F@york.ac.uk> References: <3BF0FD85.6D4A372D@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc513.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 1005737436 27864 144.32.85.141 (14 Nov 2001 11:30:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Nov 2001 11:30:36 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!80.65.228.52.MISMATCH!deine.net!oleane.net!oleane!grolier!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-monga!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30581 Hi all, Cheers for the info. I'll leave the entrances unrestricted this year. I have home-made sloping roofs to some of the hives and they seem to suffer worse with damp, so I am going to use flat roofs over winter. this year. I usually insulate each of the crownboards with a carpet tile but that shouldn't stop ventilation. I'll see what leaving the entrance restrictions off does for ventilation. thanks, Paul. Article 30582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Morphometry Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:30:33 -0600 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.233 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1005856234 39864360 216.167.143.233 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.233!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30582 >with a new method of >plotting the salient points for Cubital Index and Discoidal shift. Jeeze..wow..what the hell? Can this be done at home? >My Thanks to, Ruary Rudd for the spreadsheet Can Ruary understand and produce a spreadsheet that explains papal infallibility? C.K. Article 30583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The National Honey Show 2001 London Message-ID: <1005866940.121.0@zbee.com> Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:29:00 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Complaints-To: news-admin@dircon.co.uk X-Trace: news.dircon.co.uk 1005867095 194.112.43.78 (Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:31:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:31:35 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!grolier!nerim.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!peer2.news.dircon.net!news.dircon.co.uk.POSTED!zbee.com!anonymous!steven.turner Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30583 Day (1) of the National Honey Show (London) over 60 photograph to view. This page loads 60 small images, takes a few minutes to download. Click on each images to view full size photo, images are between 39k-60k low resolution. You can then click on the menu bar, Previous, Home or Next to continue viewing. http://www.honeyshow.co.uk/files2001/images15thnov/index.htm Main site URL: http://www.honeyshow.co.uk for more information Regards Steve ... When you go in search of honey all you get is spam. Article 30584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Продам комбайн Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:31:42 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 53 Message-ID: <9t0gps$38b$2@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-181.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1005831804 3339 195.64.228.181 (15 Nov 2001 13:43:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2001 13:43:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191701 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30584 sci.agriculture.fruit:4039 sci.agriculture.poultry:32746 sci.agriculture.ratites:1750 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > > Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > > УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! > > > > > > Продам: > > > > Комбайн "Дон-1500Б" имеет следующую комплектацию: > > > > -молотилка (сам комбайн) с наклонной камерой и кондиционером > > -копнитель,либо измельчитель(по желанию) > > -жатка 6,0м.,либо 7,0м.(по желанию) > > -подборщик > > -платформа-подборщик > > -отопитель кабины > > -двигатель ЯМЗ-238(Ярославский) > > В зависимости от комплектации цена изменяется. > > > > > > Комбайн "Нива" СК-5М-1 имеет следующую комплектацию: > > > > -молотилка с наклонной камерой и вентилятором > > -копнитель,либо измельчитель(по желанию) > > -жатка 4,1м.,либо 5,0м.(по желанию) > > -подборщик > > -платформа-подборщик > > -отопитель кабины > > -двигатель Д-242(Алтайский) > > В зависимости от комплектации цена изменяется > > > > Надеемся на дальнейшее партнёрство. > > > > > > С уважением, > > > > Директор > > ООО "АВАНТАЖ-АГРО" > > > > Наш тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > > E-mail:avantag@visti.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 30585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry Subject: Re: ЗАПЧАСТИ К Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:36:47 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 21 Message-ID: <9t0h20$38b$31@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-181.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1005832064 3339 195.64.228.181 (15 Nov 2001 13:47:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Nov 2001 13:47:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30585 sci.agriculture.fruit:4040 sci.agriculture.poultry:32747 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! > > ООО <Авантаж-Агро> проводит осеннюю распродажу запасных частей для > автотракторной техники и сельскохозяйственных машин в ассортименте. > Предлагаем, постоянным клиентам, сотрудничество на выгодных условиях. > Действуют гибкие системы скидок для оптовых покупателей. > Полный ассортимент нашей продукции Вы можете получить по > нашему E-mail: avantag@visti.com и тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05. > > > С уважением, > > ООО <Авантаж - Агро> > > > > Article 30586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swapping frames of bees to balance population Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:39:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3bf30e76.132439088@news1.radix.net> References: <993fd181.0111141013.5250029d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30586 On 14 Nov 2001 10:13:53 -0800, loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) wrote: >"Tom S" wrote in message news:... >> Hello everyone, >> >> I read somewhere recently that in balancing hive populations, one can swap >> whole frames of bees from, say, a populous hive to a less populous hive >> without causing fighting between the bees merged. Is this true? Would it >> work at this time of year? >> >> In particular, I have an overwintering nuc which is marginal in population >> and I also have several very populous hives. So...I am considering just >> selecting a frame of two from one or more of these populous hives on a warm >> temp day (Seattle area is still in the mid-fifties daytime-nights in >> mid-40s). Then the frame(s) of bees get swapped into the "needy" nuc. >> >> My reading indicated, if I remember correctly, that by swapping whole frames >> of bees at a time, there would be no fighting. Of course I would probably >> at least use some smoking and I could, if necessary use some peppermint >> essence as a scent on the top bars. > > > Beekeep has the right solution if you are trying to save a weak unit >over winter because of the special genetics of the queen. As a general >rule,it isnt wise to save a weak hive nor weaken a good one going into >winter.When we find a weak hive at this time of year we just shake or >brush the bees off the combs in front of the closest hive and bring in >the equipment.Easy to put a split or swarm in next spring.Just make >sure the hive wasnt weak because of AFB or the problem will >continue.Normal cause of weak hives at this time is old wore out >queens,or varroa mite damage from ineffective treatments.Of course >this doesnt apply to your late split,the queen just didnt have enough >time to build it up. >I dont think 1.5 frames of bees has any chance whatsoever to make it. > Mike They might make it if they are carnies. I have seen clusters the size of a baseball make it here in Maryland. beekeep Article 30587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Morphometry Correction Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:25:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30587 It seems that the Morphometry spreadsheet downloadable from our site (plotting.zip) had part of the formulae missing on the first 10 samples. This has been corrected. I would recommend you repeat the download for a clean copy. 'Egg on face' Sorry. Regards Dave E.... PS. Charlie asked if this can be done at home. Provided you have the equipment, yes! Article 30588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: msmcclain23@yahoo.com (Sean McClain) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help Date: 15 Nov 2001 23:36:13 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <76d95e15.0111152336.7f3765d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.201.32.37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1005896173 29053 127.0.0.1 (16 Nov 2001 07:36:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Nov 2001 07:36:13 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30588 We have a large quantity of bee venom we are trying to sell. We haven't had much luck finding buyers. If anyone has any ideas or advice we would appreciate it. Article 30589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Morphometry Lines: 18 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:08:33 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.156.41 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 1005934312 159.134.156.41 (Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:11:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:11:52 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30589 Try the spreadsheet and see what it can do Ruary Rudd Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:c598vt8j72nksc9khgc0fcqaig6kg6kq4f@4ax.com... > >with a new method of > >plotting the salient points for Cubital Index and Discoidal shift. > > Jeeze..wow..what the hell? Can this be done at home? > > >My Thanks to, Ruary Rudd for the spreadsheet > > Can Ruary understand and produce a spreadsheet that explains papal > infallibility? > > C.K. Article 30590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Morphometry Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:12:29 -0600 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1005937950 235338 216.167.143.34 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!opentransit.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.34!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30590 Ruary Rudd said: >Try the spreadsheet and see what it can do Ok..but could you explain some more about 'acquiring' the plots to add to the 'spreadsheet?' Will I need a microscope, and a tiny ruler? Is there a URL that goes into this procedure? Not many (if any) scientist actually post information to this newsgroup irrespective of its name. You don't have to put it in 'laymen's' terms (what is a laymen..is it like a lamer?) I just would be interested in the procedure required to determine "racial purity" as it were. Thanks, C.K. Article 30591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "therefore" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queens - test Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:59:00 -0000 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <9t427m$8p7i$1@ID-118308.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.121.68.245 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1005947959 287986 213.121.68.245 (16 [118308]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!213.121.68.245!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30591 test queens Article 30592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Morphometry Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:53:04 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 40 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30592 Hi Charlie, Perhaps you haven't used a graphics editor which would explain matters. These programs use X-Y plotting points when the cursor is placed over a photo which has been loaded off a scanner. Using that pointer system, after scanning the bee wing as described in the instructions, you add these X-Y ponts to the speadsheet which does the calculations for you. Might I suggest you visit again, find the hyperlink off the morphometry page, and have a good read. It's relatively simple. I'm a 65 year old 'grey head' and I can do it!!! Regards Dave...... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:lloavtkfdj44618u6mrqa8mlu3dm7m9ujd@4ax.com... > Ruary Rudd said: > > >Try the spreadsheet and see what it can do > > Ok..but could you explain some more about 'acquiring' the plots to > add to the 'spreadsheet?' Will I need a microscope, and a tiny > ruler? Is there a URL that goes into this procedure? > > Not many (if any) scientist actually post information to this > newsgroup irrespective of its name. > > You don't have to put it in 'laymen's' terms (what is a laymen..is > it like a lamer?) I just would be interested in the procedure > required to determine "racial purity" as it were. > > Thanks, > > C.K. Article 30593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Morphometry Lines: 39 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:29:29 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.157.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 1005985939 159.134.157.64 (Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:32:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:32:19 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30593 Morphometry is the process of determining the racial purity of a colony of bees by measuring external characteristics of a sample of the bees. The sample needs to be large enough to be representative, at least 25 bees on the continent, at least 30 in U.K. and preferably 50 if you really want to know. The starting point is the measurement of some of the veins and vein joints in the wings!!!, you can mount them on a 35mm slide and project the image onto a screen and measure from the image ; OR you can use a scanner with at least 1200 dpi optical resolution, and us the graphics program to tell you where you are in the picture. These co-ordinates are used to convert to give the ratios required to obtain Cubital ratio and discoidal shift. As the WebPages states there are other characteristics which should be measured. the length of overhairs can be measured by comparing it with the thickness of frame wire, the characteristics are longer than, same length or shorter than. The only difficult measurement is length of tongue which requires dissection. Ruary Rudd Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:lloavtkfdj44618u6mrqa8mlu3dm7m9ujd@4ax.com... > Ok..but could you explain some more about 'acquiring' the plots to > add to the 'spreadsheet?' Will I need a microscope, and a tiny > ruler? Is there a URL that goes into this procedure? > > You don't have to put it in 'laymen's' terms (what is a laymen..is > it like a lamer?) I just would be interested in the procedure > required to determine "racial purity" as it were. > > Thanks, > > C.K. Article 30594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3BF62330.C24B233C@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Morphometry References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 02:43:28 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1005986634 204.2.54.17 (Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:43:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:43:54 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30594 Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but does the character of the hive demonstrate a genetic degeneration as a function of the age of the queen? Where might I find hard data on viable or acceptable aberrance from hive norms? JJ Ruary Rudd wrote: > > Morphometry is the process of determining the racial purity of a colony of > bees by measuring external characteristics of a sample of the bees. > > The sample needs to be large enough to be representative, at least 25 bees > on the continent, at least 30 in U.K. and preferably 50 if you really want > to know. > > The starting point is the measurement of some of the veins and vein joints > in the wings!!!, you can mount them on a 35mm slide and project the image > onto a screen and measure from the image ; OR you can use a scanner with at > least 1200 dpi optical resolution, and us the graphics program to tell you > where you are in the picture. > > These co-ordinates are used to convert to give the ratios required to obtain > Cubital ratio and discoidal shift. > > As the WebPages states there are other characteristics which should be > measured. the length of overhairs can be measured by comparing it with the > thickness of frame wire, the characteristics are longer than, same length or > shorter than. The only difficult measurement is length of tongue which > requires dissection. > > Ruary Rudd > Charlie Kroeger wrote in message > news:lloavtkfdj44618u6mrqa8mlu3dm7m9ujd@4ax.com... > > > Ok..but could you explain some more about 'acquiring' the plots to > > add to the 'spreadsheet?' Will I need a microscope, and a tiny > > ruler? Is there a URL that goes into this procedure? > > > > You don't have to put it in 'laymen's' terms (what is a laymen..is > > it like a lamer?) I just would be interested in the procedure > > required to determine "racial purity" as it were. > > > > Thanks, > > > > C.K. Article 30595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive designations for recordkeeping Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:50:59 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 31 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsin.iconnet.net!feed.tor.primus.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!hub.org!hub.org!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30595 Being as how it's that time of year for reading, thinking, and kibitzing, I am thinking about how to designate my hives for purposes of recordkeeping. I have found that having some sort of basic hive record is absolutely necessary for me to have ANY idea of how to manage a hive when I'm "on the firing line" in the beeyard. When you have, say, more that a dozen hives (I only have 22) and want to keep some sort of records on them, how do you number or otherwise name them so that you can know which hive you're referring to? I am going to try George Imrie's suggestion that having a handheld pocket recorder is the way to go for those of us who can't (or won't or just don't) manage a writing device very well in the beeyard. But I can't figure out how to name or designate the hives. Do you use numbers on the back of the hive stand? Inside the lid top? Use some kind of location (i.e. 3rd hive stand from the north) coordinates? There's probably lots about this somewhere on the web or in a bee book somewhere, but for some reason I haven't seen or remembered it. Any suggestions or pointers? Thanks, Tom S. Monroe, WA Article 30596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Morphometry Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:09:39 -0600 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8sndvt4o1q9dhbcfucopj2sodtl60caomm@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.209 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1006034980 764298 216.167.143.209 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.209!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30596 >The starting point is the measurement of some of the veins and vein joints >in the wings!!!, Is the method used to identify 'african' or 'european' types of bees? I thought that was all DNA stuff now? C.K. Article 30597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive designations for recordkeeping Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:53:12 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3bf6e97e.213336237@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30597 On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:50:59 -0800, "Tom S" wrote: >Being as how it's that time of year for reading, thinking, and kibitzing, I >am thinking about how to designate my hives for purposes of recordkeeping. >I have found that having some sort of basic hive record is absolutely >necessary for me to have ANY idea of how to manage a hive when I'm "on the >firing line" in the beeyard. > >When you have, say, more that a dozen hives (I only have 22) and want to >keep some sort of records on them, how do you number or otherwise name them >so that you can know which hive you're referring to? > >I am going to try George Imrie's suggestion that having a handheld pocket >recorder is the way to go for those of us who can't (or won't or just don't) >manage a writing device very well in the beeyard. But I can't figure out how >to name or designate the hives. Do you use numbers on the back of the hive >stand? Inside the lid top? Use some kind of location (i.e. 3rd hive stand >from the north) coordinates? > >There's probably lots about this somewhere on the web or in a bee book >somewhere, but for some reason I haven't seen or remembered it. Any >suggestions or pointers? > >Thanks, > >Tom S. >Monroe, WA > I have 50 hive stands and each stand holds 4 hives. Each stand has a plastic tag with my name and phone number and is numbered as well. Every hive can be recorded as say "#43 C" or "32 A". With the letters A,B,C,D designateing the hives on the stand. It works well for me. beekeep Article 30598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: wlane11@bellsouth.net (Bill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: georgia bee supplier Date: 17 Nov 2001 16:33:45 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <77121b1c.0111171633.6c984c87@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.156.64.204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1006043625 27007 127.0.0.1 (18 Nov 2001 00:33:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Nov 2001 00:33:45 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30598 I would like to begin beekeeping. What established colony suppliers or packaged bee suppliers are available in Georgia or the surrounding states? Bill Article 30599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Nov 2001 03:19:10 GMT References: <77121b1c.0111171633.6c984c87@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: georgia bee supplier Message-ID: <20011117221910.10727.00000830@mb-mq.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30599 From: wlane11@bellsouth.net (Bill) >What established colony suppliers or packaged bee suppliers are >available in Georgia or the surrounding states? Wilbanks Apiaries in Claxton is one of the best. 912-739-4820. http://beesource.com has a list with some others. -A very informative site, by the way. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 30600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "therefore" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: georgia bee supplier Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:44:49 -0000 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <9t8agi$ubjp$1@ID-118308.news.dfncis.de> References: <77121b1c.0111171633.6c984c87@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.121.71.193 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1006087507 994937 213.121.71.193 (16 [118308]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!213.121.71.193!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30600 I would suggest that you first meet with some keepers and get into a few hives this can be quite unnerving and better to find out before you spend your money whether or not you are of the blood "Bill" wrote in message news:77121b1c.0111171633.6c984c87@posting.google.com... > I would like to begin beekeeping. > What established colony suppliers or packaged bee suppliers are > available in Georgia or the surrounding states? > > Bill Article 30601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: georgia bee supplier Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:30:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3bf7b507.265441214@news1.radix.net> References: <77121b1c.0111171633.6c984c87@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30601 On 17 Nov 2001 16:33:45 -0800, wlane11@bellsouth.net (Bill) wrote: >I would like to begin beekeeping. >What established colony suppliers or packaged bee suppliers are >available in Georgia or the surrounding states? > >Bill To start, buy a copy of the Hive & the Honeybee and read it, then reread it. Follow up by going to the library and checking out books and videos there. Call your state dept. of Ag, apiary inspection branch and find a local beekeeper. There is probably one within 10 miles of you. Most welcome newcomers and are very helpful. I welcome anyone that wants to ride along and help work the bees. It's good company and free labor! Join your local beekeeping club too! You will meet lots of helpful people that way. There should be a beekeeping short course that you can attend in late winter/early spring as well. Reading here is helpful also. You have a lot to do between now and April. beekeep Article 30602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swapping frames of bees to balance population Message-ID: <1u8gvtkfi7p9geq4tqlm5bu69rgphsvhol@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:27:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1006118878 4.33.104.96 (Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:27:58 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:27:58 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:23:35 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30602 "Tom S" wrote: >I read somewhere recently that in balancing hive populations, one can swap >whole frames of bees from, say, a populous hive to a less populous hive >without causing fighting between the bees merged. Is this true? Would it >work at this time of year? Bees can usually be joined with only minimal fighting when there is a good nectar flow on, as an earlier reply indicated. Otherwise, here are a few tips to improve success: 1. Use paper between the old and new bees or a screen split board between boxes to blend their smells before many make physical contact. 2. Spray the bees from both colonies gently with sugar water syrup a minute or two before joining them, and then again when introducing the bees, so they'll be well-fed and too busy licking themselves off to fight. Don't spray inside brood cells. (refilling a window-cleaner spray bottle with sugar syrup works well). Don't over-smoke them. 3. The queen should be a few frames away from the new bees when joined, to minimize the chance of loosing her. 4. Add YOUNG bees, found on frames of open brood. 5. Add bees shortly before dark, to minimize robbing. An alternative way to strengthen a nuc is to give it a frame of sealed brood that is about to hatch, if the bees in the nuc can keep it warm enough until it hatches. Give only enough sealed brood that they can keep warm, and add it to the center of the existing brood (better for eggs and young larva to freeze than sealed brood, if something has to freeze). Here in Dallas, Texas, a queen-right 3 frame nuc with about 3 cups of bees will normally overwinter nicely if they don't starve. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive designations for recordkeeping Date: 18 Nov 2001 23:25:33 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 78 Message-ID: <9tac5d01oc@drn.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-414.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.91 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30603 Tom asked... > I am thinking about how to designate my hives > for purposes of recordkeeping. > When you have, say, more that a dozen hives (I only > have 22) and want to keep some sort of records on > them, how do you number or otherwise name them so > that you can know which hive you're referring to? Here's what we do here at Farmageddon. It works for us: a) The colony designation is stenciled on the side of the bottom board. Colonies are numbered. b) Brood chambers (mediums without stroller spacers) are stenciled with a single letter and a single digit (A-0 through Z-9). For those with more than 240 boxes, one could use double letters and/or double digits. c) Honey supers (mediums with stroller spacers) are stenciled with a single digit and a single letter (0-A through 9-Z). Again, double digits or letters would allow more than 240 d) Shallows (used for Ross Rounds) are numbered with double-digit numbers (00 through 99). e) Frames within any woodenware are numbered 1-9 or 1-10 with permanent marker when they are new. (Perhaps a wood-burning pencil would be a better idea for long-term legibility, but time will tell.) f) Frame positions are lettered left-to right (A - J) in one's mind starting at ones left as one is standing on the left of the hive with one's left arm closest to the front entrance (or standing at the rear for those hives that we have converted to "wide-side front"). This allows instant recognition of the context of one's notes, and saves time in record keeping. For example, the following terse commentary: 37 F-4 A-2 frm crk Brood, rep ltr Says that colony 37, brood chamber F-4 has a cracked frame in the farthest left position, the one numbered "2". It had brood, so it was not replaced, but it need replacing when it is clear. When I replace it with drawn comb, I may simply renumber the frame "2" to keep things consistent, or append an "A" to whatever number is on it. Sadly, no designation system is perfect, so we still use queen-color thumbtacks to track the age of brood frames. We don't bother with tape recorders, because the fine art of transcribing dictation was lost just about the time one started seeing IBM Selectrics replaced with computers. Anyway, if I was shouting into a tape recorder things like "37.. F-4... A-2", a football game might break out. We use simple pocket notebooks. The pages are torn out and cut into colony-specific scraps, which are taped into full-size apiary notebooks. Pocket notebooks are cheap. I love my Palm Pilot, and don't leave the house without it, but Palm Pilots are not compatible with propolis, and hate being dropped. jim Article 30604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive designations for recordkeeping Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:16:20 -0700 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9tbept$1hsc8$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <9tac5d01oc@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1006190206 1634696 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30604 > > I am thinking about how to designate my hives > > for purposes of recordkeeping. Although not a direct answer to this question, here is a post from BEE-L that is somewhat on topic and the pages referenced may be quite useful to many: People enquire from time to time on this list about specialized software for beekeeping. At the ABA convention, Mynista Support Services of Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada had a booth and were showing off their work. They have developed in conjunction with Hat Honey Farm a good-looking beekeeping program that might fill the bill for many. The complete (very comprehensive and illustrated) help file is on the web for perusal, and free download of a trial version is available at http://www.mynista.com/beekeeper/default.htm I've looked at it and am quite impressed. I have not tried it - yet. Evaluating software is a big job and the trial version expires after only a month. I doubt I could evaluate it that quickly -- even in the busy season, when I would be able to test it with real data. The software can function in conjunction with a PDA as well as a desktop machine, I understand. See http://www.mynista.com/beekeeper/nomad.htm allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 30605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Morphometry Spreadsheet - procedural correction Lines: 15 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:05:51 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.156.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 1006247326 159.134.156.128 (Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:08:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:08:46 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30605 Sorry Folks there is a slight bug in the spreadsheet! The data range for the scattergram MUST be altered to fit the number of data sets entered in the spreadsheet, at present it is set to include some cells with text contents which upsets the plotting. Also, if you want to calculate Cubital Indices only, then a value will have to be entered in column B of the data set. Sorry for any inconvenience Ruary Rudd Article 30606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Зимние цены на гидросистему Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:43:38 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9tdii1$265s$5@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-186.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1006259585 71868 195.64.228.186 (20 Nov 2001 12:33:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Nov 2001 12:33:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191769 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30606 sci.agriculture.fruit:4044 sci.agriculture.poultry:32844 sci.agriculture.ratites:1751 КОММЕРЧЕСКОЕ ПРЕДЛОЖЕНИЕ Предлагаем Вашему вниманию! ! ! Зимние цены на гидросистему: - Рукава высокого давления РВД в ассортименте цена от 24, 16 грн. ; - Гидроцилиндры всех модификаций цена от 91, 66 грн.; - Гидрораспределители всех модификаций цена от 112, 50 грн.; - НШ всех модификаций цена от 108, 33 грн.; - ТНВД всех модификаций цена от 333, 33 грн.; Полный ассортимент нашей продукции Вы можете получить: E-mail: avantag@visti.com тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 С уважением, ООО <Авантаж - Агро> Article 30607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20011121035310.22540.00001804@mb-cg.aol.com> Subject: Re: Question(s) Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:22:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 1006356124 66.31.162.107 (Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:22:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:22:04 EST Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30607 I have 3 seasons beekeeping experience, so don't bet the farm on this, but you might want to listen before the old hands chide you for being so lax in your bee work.... "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20011121035310.22540.00001804@mb-cg.aol.com... > 1) I have several hives that still have four supers on them that I never got > to--the weather doesn't give me a break. It stays rainy and cool and haven't > had a sunny, warm day to reduce these hives and so here I am! Should I leave > the bees alone or just go in, see where the cluster is, move the cluster to the > bottom and leave one super on with honey? This is Oregon, so the > weather/winter is mild and usually I get by with some 30-40 lbs. of honey (at > the most) for my gals. . I would go take the supers - work quickly. If you open the cover though, and the bees are clustered in the top, well, I think you're out of luck. You'll have to leave them, and accept the fact that there very well be be brood in the supers in February. > 2) Another question--have a bunch of wet supers, some with some capped frames.. > Will storing them with the moth repellant contaiminate the "honey" in these > supers so I won't be able to use that honey in the future? I can't speak authoritatively on this, but I wouldn't eat it. Put them in the coldest protected place you can. Stand them up so light gets in them if possible. -Steve Article 30609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Nov 2001 08:53:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Question(s) Message-ID: <20011121035310.22540.00001804@mb-cg.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30609 1) I have several hives that still have four supers on them that I never got to--the weather doesn't give me a break. It stays rainy and cool and haven't had a sunny, warm day to reduce these hives and so here I am! Should I leave the bees alone or just go in, see where the cluster is, move the cluster to the bottom and leave one super on with honey? This is Oregon, so the weather/winter is mild and usually I get by with some 30-40 lbs. of honey (at the most) for my gals. . 2) Another question--have a bunch of wet supers, some with some capped frames.. Will storing them with the moth repellant contaiminate the "honey" in these supers so I won't be able to use that honey in the future? Thanks. Article 30610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question(s) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:20:29 -0600 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <20011121035310.22540.00001804@mb-cg.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.199 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1006410030 2951930 216.167.143.199 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.199!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30610 > Should I leave >the bees alone or just go in, see where the cluster is, move the cluster to the >bottom and leave one super on with honey? This is Oregon, so the >weather/winter is mild I would leave things like they are, while the weather is bad. Warm sunny days will return. As to the wet supers, I would put them on the hives for safe keeping, and restrict the entrances to about a square inch. In the meantime, relax by the fire with a good read, it's winter. C.K. Article 30611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Nov 2001 11:39:23 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: dead bees Message-ID: <20011122063923.08093.00000844@mb-bk.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30611 cheers thanks for reassurance Article 30612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Nov 2001 13:37:13 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: dead bees Message-ID: <20011121083713.15265.00000785@mb-mm.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30612 getting quite a few (about 10) dead bees at the hive entrance each day, Is this normal, treated them for varroaa, so its not that. cheers. 1st winter as a beekeeper. also they are still flying even though its pretty cold. less than 10 degrees c. cheers Article 30613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20011121083713.15265.00000785@mb-mm.aol.com> Subject: Re: dead bees Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:23:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 1006356208 66.31.162.107 (Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:23:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:23:28 EST Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30613 "POTENTS" wrote in message news:20011121083713.15265.00000785@mb-mm.aol.com... > getting quite a few (about 10) dead bees at the hive entrance each day, Is this > normal, treated them for varroaa, so its not that. cheers. 1st winter as a > beekeeper. also they are still flying even though its pretty cold. less than 10 > degrees c. cheers Perfectly normal, unless the bees look deformed. The bees would usually carry the dead ones away, but if flight is restricted due to cold, they dump them at the entrance. -Steve Article 30614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Продам комбайн Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:34:09 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 49 Message-ID: <9tin7o$133e$13@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc6-193.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1006428216 35950 195.64.227.193 (22 Nov 2001 11:23:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Nov 2001 11:23:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newspump.sol.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191801 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30614 sci.agriculture.fruit:4052 sci.agriculture.poultry:32867 sci.agriculture.ratites:1753 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! > > > Продам: > > Комбайн "Дон-1500Б" имеет следующую комплектацию: > > -молотилка (сам комбайн) с наклонной камерой и кондиционером > -копнитель,либо измельчитель(по желанию) > -жатка 6,0м.,либо 7,0м.(по желанию) > -подборщик > -платформа-подборщик > -отопитель кабины > -двигатель ЯМЗ-238(Ярославский) > В зависимости от комплектации цена изменяется. > > > Комбайн "Нива" СК-5М-1 имеет следующую комплектацию: > > -молотилка с наклонной камерой и вентилятором > -копнитель,либо измельчитель(по желанию) > -жатка 4,1м.,либо 5,0м.(по желанию) > -подборщик > -платформа-подборщик > -отопитель кабины > -двигатель Д-242(Алтайский) > В зависимости от комплектации цена изменяется > > Надеемся на дальнейшее партнёрство. > > > С уважением, > > Директор > ООО "АВАНТАЖ-АГРО" > > Наш тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > E-mail:avantag@visti.com > > > > > > > Article 30615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Зимние цены на гидросистему Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:31:49 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9tin7f$133e$5@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc6-193.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1006428207 35950 195.64.227.193 (22 Nov 2001 11:23:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Nov 2001 11:23:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191802 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30615 sci.agriculture.fruit:4053 sci.agriculture.poultry:32868 sci.agriculture.ratites:1754 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > КОММЕРЧЕСКОЕ ПРЕДЛОЖЕНИЕ > > Предлагаем Вашему вниманию! ! ! > > Зимние цены на гидросистему: > > - Рукава высокого давления РВД в ассортименте цена от 24, 16 грн. ; > - Гидроцилиндры всех модификаций цена от 91, 66 грн.; > - Гидрораспределители всех модификаций цена от 112, 50 грн.; > - НШ всех модификаций цена от 108, 33 грн.; > - ТНВД всех модификаций цена от 333, 33 грн.; > > Полный ассортимент нашей продукции Вы можете получить: > E-mail: avantag@visti.com > тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > > > > С уважением, > > ООО <Авантаж - Агро> > > > > > > > > > > Article 30616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Cara & Tom Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: open bottom top bar hives Message-ID: <4blsvtkj8jf2bkpudon1oq0aelml0agnih@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:58:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.denver1.co.home.com 1006523938 24.8.20.181 (Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:58:58 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 05:58:58 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.denver1.co.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30616 Is anyone able to relate their experience using an open bottom topbar hive for Varroa control? Article 30617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: pppaulhill@aol.com (Paul hill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plastic frames Date: 23 Nov 2001 15:27:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <748940da.0111231527.2102eaa7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.196.53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1006558069 12958 127.0.0.1 (23 Nov 2001 23:27:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Nov 2001 23:27:49 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30617 Every thing I read says that plastic frames like Pierco are the way to go. I have had a problem with undrawn frames warping and twisting. Now I am no rocket scientist but I can figure that with a new hive full of twisted frames that "Bee Space" cannot be achieved. Anyone else have that trouble or any recomendations? Article 30618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic frames Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:32:43 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3bfeea2a.264748855@news1.radix.net> References: <748940da.0111231527.2102eaa7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30618 On 23 Nov 2001 15:27:49 -0800, pppaulhill@aol.com (Paul hill) wrote: >Every thing I read says that plastic frames like Pierco are the way to >go. I have had a problem with undrawn frames warping and twisting. >Now I am no rocket scientist but I can figure that with a new hive >full of twisted frames that "Bee Space" cannot be achieved. Anyone >else have that trouble or any recomendations? I don't like them. They bend, sag, the bees don't take to them well, and they get propolized and waxed together pretty bad. I prefer ritecell in a wood frme. Just my opinion. beekeep Article 30619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <748940da.0111231527.2102eaa7@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: plastic frames Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:22:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1006575775 24.248.135.205 (Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:22:55 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:22:55 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30619 I have not had a problem with the frames twisting but I am worried that all the cavities in the frames could make it harder for the bees to clear SHB out of the hive. The cavities are a good place for the SHB to hide. Can they be filled in with anything? Plaster of Paris or wood filler. David A. "Paul hill" wrote in message news:748940da.0111231527.2102eaa7@posting.google.com... > Every thing I read says that plastic frames like Pierco are the way to > go. I have had a problem with undrawn frames warping and twisting. > Now I am no rocket scientist but I can figure that with a new hive > full of twisted frames that "Bee Space" cannot be achieved. Anyone > else have that trouble or any recomendations? Article 30620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Abbadon Subject: Re: NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7Ued4.6271$vW2.1478505@mesaana.xtra.co.nz> Reply-To: abbadon00@hotmail_spamthis.com X-ddate: Today is Boomtime, the 35th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3167 Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.2 (Linux) Lines: 25 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 07:02:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.5.39.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rsm1.occa.home.com 1006585330 24.5.39.134 (Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:02:10 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:02:10 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rsm1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30620 FYI, this is apparently untrue. 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Article 30621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JohnKnoefler@webtv.net (John Knoefler) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic frames Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:12:31 -0800 (PST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 27 Message-ID: <14802-3BFF485F-338@storefull-287.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <748940da.0111231527.2102eaa7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAn5QkjOMcDk6gV9hfh4XG8Rcs844CFQCNz56/fjsK13VRJIZ0dMYxy3fvkQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30621 Paul, I grew up in a family of commercial beekeepers and I think I must have seen just about everything, I've even seen metal beecomb. I gotta tell you the all plastic frames really suck. I assume you are talking about frames that have the foundation as plastic also? Yes they do warp and thats not all. They are now sprayed with some type of microchrystaline wax so the bees won't reject the plastic. If the bees happen to chew off the wax coating then you have a permanant bare spot. Also the burr comb really sticks to the plastic. Then when you try to get the frame out of the hive you have to really damage the top bar sometimes. And the frame will flex and kill bees and honey cells rupture not to mention what can happen to an unlucky queen. And they are definately not cheaper than wood frames. During cold weather the top bars can shatter. The ears snap off real easy during honey take off time if you are not more gentle than you need to be with wooden frames. The good thing is when you are sick of all this after a few years and you decide to go back to wood frames, just put them in boiling water. The wax melts off real nice and the frame rolls up for easy disposal, and most importantly these frames are recyclable. WooHoo! I like wood frames and beeswax foundation. Traditional. But hey, if you must have plastic in your life at least just get plastic foundation. You can pop it in a wooden frame and if it gets too messed up just pop it out. John L. Knoefler Article 30622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic frames Message-ID: References: <748940da.0111231527.2102eaa7@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:12:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1006603957 4.33.104.100 (Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:12:37 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:12:37 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 04:08:22 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30622 pppaulhill@aol.com (Paul hill) wrote: >Every thing I read says that plastic frames like Pierco are the way to >go. Paul, what are you reading? When I tried Pierco plastic frames, they had a tendency to crack during manipulations, especially when cold, and tended to produce more burr comb between supers. Harder for the bees to draw out the comb, and can't put those frames in a solar melter, either. A grooved wooden frame is my preference, as both plastic and wired wax foundation can simply be popped into place. The newer plastic FOUNDATIONs are far better than the earlier Duragilt foundation and produce nice cell patterns and can be scraped down, but the bees tend to draw out the wax foundation better when only a mild nectar flow is on. Much has been written on this subject before in this newsgroup. Check out the archives on: http://groups.google.com/ with a search for " Pierco plastic frames " and you'll find many opinions. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Alex Shaw Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax Face Cream Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:59:16 +0000 Organization: Home Message-ID: <2l2rvtg2t262kul9ej88ibjp2a3hso5jv3@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: d324114146332e381332e0ee9610702b3fe9313138253003523103203c000a0f NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:58:55 GMT Lines: 5 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!iapetus Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30623 I had a formula for making a cream from beeswax some time ago but have lost it. I think it used boracic acid crystals and a clear liquid substance but I cannot remember what it was. Can anyone help me out please. Regards, Alex Shaw Article 30624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic frames Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:05:53 -0700 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9tp931$3smd7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> References: <748940da.0111231527.2102eaa7@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp102-87.sudbury.cyberbeach.net (216.104.102.87) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1006643106 4086183 216.104.102.87 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!ppp102-87.sudbury.cyberbeach.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30624 I like them. I bought 10,000 a few years back and have no complaints. FWIW, they use a 5.25 mm cell size, which I consider to be the a near optimal cell size for the bees I keep. Other North American foundation has larger cells -- or smaller. When I buy more frames, I would not consider anything else. allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul hill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 4:27 PM Subject: plastic frames > Every thing I read says that plastic frames like Pierco are the way to > go. I have had a problem with undrawn frames warping and twisting. > Now I am no rocket scientist but I can figure that with a new hive > full of twisted frames that "Bee Space" cannot be achieved. Anyone > else have that trouble or any recomendations? Article 30625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Wm James Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:19:46 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <7Ued4.6271$vW2.1478505@mesaana.xtra.co.nz> Reply-To: wrjames@kudzucountry.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.3e.2d.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 24 Nov 2001 23:16:52 GMT Cancel-Lock: sha1:FwqkgZNNbycO2WTw+jSc5sk4k3s= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-NFilter: 1.2.0 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30625 On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:59:20 GMT, Abbadon wrote: >Any particular reason why? > >L Grant - Usenet Administrator wrote: > >> Newsgroup sci.agriculture.beekeeping slated for REMOVAL on 21 Nov 2001 20:24:51 GMT. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hello my name is L. Grant, and I am writing to alert >> the regular readers of sci.agriculture.beekeeping that it will be removed >> from Usenet on 21 Nov 2001 20:24:51 GMT. This action will be taken by all >> news servers, so clients are advised to update their >> readers accordingly. >> >> Thank you for your kind attention, >> L. Grant >> >> -- >> As slowly as Merl dines, you can wander the tape much more incredibly. > >Abbadon And people like you keep posting the followups to news.admin.net-abuse.email The punk kid who posted ythe bogus messages set the followups to all of them to news.admin.net-abuse.email as an attack on that group. It's just the latest i a series of such tantrums the boy has thrown because he keeps losing his connections every time he spams, and his inability to get an erection of a female to use it on leaves him with no other hobbies. William R. James Article 30626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tighe Smalley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colonies for sale near Ithaca, NY Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:52:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.24.30.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1006656720 66.24.30.181 (Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:52:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:52:00 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30626 8 colonies, double deeps (or larger), strong and heavy for winter. Located in Lansing, Tompkins County, NY. Most very heavy, all treated with Apistan. Equipment very good to excellent. Located in two outyards, must be moved out soon. $60 ea., sold all together. Call 607.347.4335 Article 30627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Paul Tomlin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Face Cream Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:57:10 +0000 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <2l2rvtg2t262kul9ej88ibjp2a3hso5jv3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-189.minnesota.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1006815644 28896 62.137.74.189 (26 Nov 2001 23:00:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Nov 2001 23:00:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U () Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bluewatch.fsnet.co.uk!paul Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30627 Alex Shaw wrote (Sat, 24 Nov 2001): >I had a formula for making a cream from beeswax some time ago but have >lost it. I think it used boracic acid crystals and a clear liquid >substance but I cannot remember what it was. Can anyone help me out >please. >Regards, Alex Shaw I quote from a post to s.a.b. on 1st November 2001; John Caldeira, Dallas, Texas, http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping wrote; This is the recipe I use, and it turns out great. I skipped the borax, though. SKIN CREAM 2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax 4 ounces (weight) lanolin 2/3 cup baby or mineral oil 3/4 cup water 1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP) Fragrant essential oil (optional) Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted and the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars. This recipe was posted on this newsgroup in 1999 by Abe Maaijen. It is also on this web site: http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/elaine2.html John -- Paul Tomlin [West Devon, UK] Remove nospam from email address to reply Article 30628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Abbadon Subject: Re: NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7Ued4.6271$vW2.1478505@mesaana.xtra.co.nz> Reply-To: abbadon00@hotmail_spamthis.com X-ddate: Today is Setting Orange, the 38th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3167 Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.2 (Linux) Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:34:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.5.39.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rsm1.occa.home.com 1006835663 24.5.39.134 (Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:34:23 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:34:23 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!sjcppf01!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rsm1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30628 Wm James wrote: > And people like you keep posting the followups to > news.admin.net-abuse.email > > The punk kid who posted ythe bogus messages set the followups to all > of them to news.admin.net-abuse.email as an attack on that group. > It's just the latest i a series of such tantrums the boy has thrown > because he keeps losing his connections every time he spams, and his > inability to get an erection of a female to use it on leaves him with > no other hobbies. > > William R. James > Yes, I did. A mistake I made once. A mistake I realized as soon as I visited the newsgroup. A mistake that won't be made again. Abbadon -- Its not enough that I succeed. Everyone else must fail. -- Ghengis Khan Article 30629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Зимние цены на гидросистему Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:18:23 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9u0doa$31fo$5@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-130.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1006877258 99832 195.64.228.130 (27 Nov 2001 16:07:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 2001 16:07:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news2.dg.net.ua!bn.utel.com.ua!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191878 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30629 sci.agriculture.fruit:4062 sci.agriculture.poultry:32901 sci.agriculture.ratites:1755 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > КОММЕРЧЕСКОЕ ПРЕДЛОЖЕНИЕ > > Предлагаем Вашему вниманию! ! ! > > Зимние цены на гидросистему: > > - Рукава высокого давления РВД в ассортименте цена от 24, 16 грн. ; > - Гидроцилиндры всех модификаций цена от 91, 66 грн.; > - Гидрораспределители всех модификаций цена от 112, 50 грн.; > - НШ всех модификаций цена от 108, 33 грн.; > - ТНВД всех модификаций цена от 333, 33 грн.; > > Полный ассортимент нашей продукции Вы можете получить: > E-mail: avantag@visti.com > тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > > > > С уважением, > > ООО <Авантаж - Агро> > > > > > > > > > > Article 30630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Hamilton's" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Wax and honey FS Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 07:02:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.115.149 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 1006585327 142.165.115.149 (Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:02:07 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:02:07 CST Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!tribune.usask.ca!grisham.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30630 http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/hambrh for HONEY and Bees Wax in bulk supply Article 30631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C047007.8A50381A@thesitefights.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:03:04 -0600 From: Lady Java Organization: Noah's RainFairies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic frames References: <748940da.0111231527.2102eaa7@posting.google.com> <9tp931$3smd7$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.127.54.31 X-Trace: web2.westelcom.com 1006920214 207.127.54.31 (27 Nov 2001 23:03:34 -0500) Lines: 41 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!att541!ip.att.net!web2.westelcom.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30631 I've got to agree with you, although I didn't buy them in quite the quantity you did, I only have (had) 3 hives this summer, down to 2 now... And I only bought enough for one hive, just in case I didn't like them. I found the Pierco frames came in handy when I came home one day to a nice swarm from one of my hives. Sprayed some of those with sugar water, popped them right into a hive body, and hived that swarm. The best hive I have coming into winter now! One hive disppeared completely, when I have time, I'll post questions about it to the group in whole... Planning on buying more frames in the spring. J Allen Dick wrote: > I like them. > > I bought 10,000 a few years back and have no complaints. FWIW, they use a > 5.25 mm cell size, which I consider to be the a near optimal cell size for > the bees I keep. Other North American foundation has larger cells -- or > smaller. > > When I buy more frames, I would not consider anything else. > > allen > http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul hill" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 4:27 PM > Subject: plastic frames > > > Every thing I read says that plastic frames like Pierco are the way to > > go. I have had a problem with undrawn frames warping and twisting. > > Now I am no rocket scientist but I can figure that with a new hive > > full of twisted frames that "Bee Space" cannot be achieved. Anyone > > else have that trouble or any recomendations? Article 30632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: pppaulhill@aol.com (Paul hill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 8 frame supers Date: 28 Nov 2001 05:19:29 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <748940da.0111280519.16920414@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.196.46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1006953569 3685 127.0.0.1 (28 Nov 2001 13:19:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Nov 2001 13:19:29 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30632 I would like to cut my supers back to eight frames. Can I just go from ten to eight or do I have to let them draw the comb one year as a nine frame? Article 30633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8 frame supers Date: 28 Nov 2001 14:27:37 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <748940da.0111280519.16920414@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.35.200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1006986457 14887 127.0.0.1 (28 Nov 2001 22:27:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Nov 2001 22:27:37 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30633 Howdy Paul -- It is best to always use 10 frames of foundation, otherwise you will get crossed up combs. Even with drawn comb you may have trouble if only 8 frames are used, especially if brood is raised there. The border of honey along the top will be too thick. Pete Article 30634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8 frame supers Date: 28 Nov 2001 14:45:38 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0111281445.45051afb@posting.google.com> References: <748940da.0111280519.16920414@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.7.22.26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1006987538 15189 127.0.0.1 (28 Nov 2001 22:45:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Nov 2001 22:45:38 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30634 pppaulhill@aol.com (Paul hill) wrote in message news:<748940da.0111280519.16920414@posting.google.com>... > I would like to cut my supers back to eight frames. Can I just go > from ten to eight or do I have to let them draw the comb one year as a > nine frame? You can cut your supers down to eight frames just put the frames in and then block off the rest with some dummy frames. If you have drawn out combs you could just space them wider apart and get thicker combs though you may have some problems with combs joined together or the gaps filled with wild combs Unless you have some special reason for cutting your frames down why bother the bees need room to put all that spare nectar they gather Albert Cannon Article 30635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leggassoc@hotmail.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey candy Date: 28 Nov 2001 18:46:37 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7b68f573.0111281846.38e991c3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.138.120.75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1007001998 18888 127.0.0.1 (29 Nov 2001 02:46:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Nov 2001 02:46:38 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30635 I am interested in knowing if you can make hard candy from honey. Only thing I have found so far is hard candies from Dadant with a honey center but these are made from sucrose. Can you heat honey to the hard crack stage and then make drops from this? Article 30636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8 frame supers Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:34:09 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: <9u4hgc$5ma$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <748940da.0111280519.16920414@posting.google.com> <4169b71c.0111281445.45051afb@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.d9.9a Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 29 Nov 2001 05:36:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30636 I run both 8 and 9 spaced frames in supers and it works great. The 8's get filled out into these huge fat combs that are easy to uncap, and produce more cappings wax. Draw them out as ten frames first. Article 30637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Зимние цены на гидросистему Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:18:01 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9u5hbc$32c$5@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-239.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1007044780 3148 195.64.228.239 (29 Nov 2001 14:39:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Nov 2001 14:39:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news2.dg.net.ua!bn.utel.com.ua!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:191922 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30637 sci.agriculture.fruit:4065 sci.agriculture.poultry:32937 sci.agriculture.ratites:1757 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > КОММЕРЧЕСКОЕ ПРЕДЛОЖЕНИЕ > > Предлагаем Вашему вниманию! ! ! > > Зимние цены на гидросистему: > > - Рукава высокого давления РВД в ассортименте цена от 24, 16 грн. ; > - Гидроцилиндры всех модификаций цена от 91, 66 грн.; > - Гидрораспределители всех модификаций цена от 112, 50 грн.; > - НШ всех модификаций цена от 108, 33 грн.; > - ТНВД всех модификаций цена от 333, 33 грн.; > > Полный ассортимент нашей продукции Вы можете получить: > E-mail: avantag@visti.com > тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05 > > > > С уважением, > > ООО <Авантаж - Агро> > > > > > > > > > > Article 30638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tighe Smalley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <748940da.0111280519.16920414@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: 8 frame supers Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:50:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.24.30.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1007056204 66.24.30.181 (Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:50:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:50:04 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30638 Here's the deal: You say "cut back" so evidently the combs are already drawn. Just space 8 across the super, _evenly_. Just eyeball it. No need for frame spacers, which are a nuisance. The combs will, as Oliver stated, be drawn out nice and thick, and you will find uncapping a breeze. This is appropriate for honey supers only, not for the brood nest. I used to use 9 in the honey supers, but have found 8 to be much easier. There will be some cross-comb connections, but only in some colonies which have a propensity to do this, and it is minor. Doesn't matter, anyway, in the honey supers. Don't try this with foundation, though, or you will end up with a mess. Crazy combs built between the sheets, etc. Have foundation drawn out 10 to the box, initially. Hope this is helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul hill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: 8 frame supers > I would like to cut my supers back to eight frames. Can I just go > from ten to eight or do I have to let them draw the comb one year as a > nine frame? "Paul hill" wrote in message news:748940da.0111280519.16920414@posting.google.com... > I would like to cut my supers back to eight frames. Can I just go > from ten to eight or do I have to let them draw the comb one year as a > nine frame? Article 30639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7b68f573.0111281846.38e991c3@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: honey candy Lines: 21 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <6VwN7.241314$W8.8444810@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:29:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1007065794 12.72.47.43 (Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:29:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:29:54 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30639 I tried making brittle once and it was awful. By time you heat the honey sufficiently, you end up with burnt honey. Caramelized sugar tastes good, caramelized honey just tastes burnt. Also, by the second day, the brittle had absorbed so much moisture from the air that it became soggy and chewy. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Lawrence Legg" wrote in message news:7b68f573.0111281846.38e991c3@posting.google.com... > I am interested in knowing if you can make hard candy from honey. > Only thing I have found so far is hard candies from Dadant with a > honey center but these are made from sucrose. Can you heat honey to > the hard crack stage and then make drops from this? Article 30640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey candy Date: 29 Nov 2001 14:58:50 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 17 Message-ID: <9u6eja09mh@drn.newsguy.com> References: <7b68f573.0111281846.38e991c3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-464.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.91 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30640 leggassoc@hotmail.com asked: >I am interested in knowing if you can make hard candy from honey. >Only thing I have found so far is hard candies from Dadant with a >honey center but these are made from sucrose. Can you heat honey to >the hard crack stage and then make drops from this? Not to my knowledge, but you COULD let some honey crystallize, and then form balls of the crystallized honey to be dipped in chocolate or whatever coating you'd like. You could try making hard candies with honey rather than sugar, but I have never tried this, and have no idea if this would result in candy, or glop. jim Article 30641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey storage temperatures Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 01:24:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.105.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1007083476 4.33.105.15 (Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:24:36 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:24:36 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:24:37 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30641 Until recently, I thought that keeping honey warm was a satisfactory way to store honey and avoid granulation prior to sale. Then I read in "The Hive and Honey Bee" book (Dadant, 1992, p 904-5) that temperatures above 81F (27C) caused the quality of honey to deteriorate more quickly. The relevant text appears below. The last sentence of each paragraph especially concern me: "White et al. (1962) made an extended study of the effects of storage at ordinary temperatures (23-28C, 73-82F) for periods of 1.5 - 2 years, with statistical evaluation of the results. .... Major changes were found in nearly all attributes: in the 2-year period 13% of the dextrose and 5% of the levulose were converted to other carbohydrates, the relatively low sucrose content was increased 73%, other disaccharide sugars increased 68%, and the more complex sugars increased 13%. Diastase decreased at a rate of about 3% per month, and total acidity increased about 0.5% per month." "All of these changes can be avoided by storing honey at low temperatures. For this purpose temperature should be 10C (50F) for unheated honey; great advantage will result from avoiding temperatures above 15C (59F). Actually, honey kept at very low temperatures for years cannot be distinguished from the freshest honey. However, the interval between 10-15C (50-59F) must be avoided because granulation is promoted with accompanying increased liability to fermentation. Storage above 27C (81F) should be avoided, even for relatively short times since deterioration in color, flavor, and enzyme content is particularly rapid." I am curious to learn how other beekeepers are storing honey to maintain quality. Many sideline and hobby beekeepers such as myself are using a "warm box" or "warm room", but now I wonder whether the quality deterioration is significant enough to rethink this. Comments? John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: pppaulhill@aol.com (Paul hill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey candy Date: 30 Nov 2001 05:35:56 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <748940da.0111300535.19617aca@posting.google.com> References: <7b68f573.0111281846.38e991c3@posting.google.com> <9u6eja09mh@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.213.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1007127356 18845 127.0.0.1 (30 Nov 2001 13:35:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Nov 2001 13:35:56 GMT Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30642 I tried a couple of weeks ago to make some candy out of pure honey. I heated it to the hard ball stage, stirring constantly it bubbled over and got a burnt taste. I pulled it like taffy and laid ropes out on wax paper. when it cooled it was still fairly runny and very sticky. I scraped the whole mess. Go ahead and try that is the only way you will learn you have nothing to lose other then a little honey!!!!! Can anyone explain why mine didn't get hard? Article 30643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Honey storage temperatures X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3C07A72D.AD58F64A@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:35:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 45 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30643 I put mine in the freezer. John Caldeira wrote: > > Until recently, I thought that keeping honey warm was a satisfactory > way to store honey and avoid granulation prior to sale. Then I read > in "The Hive and Honey Bee" book (Dadant, 1992, p 904-5) that > temperatures above 81F (27C) caused the quality of honey to > deteriorate more quickly. The relevant text appears below. The last > sentence of each paragraph especially concern me: > > "White et al. (1962) made an extended study of the effects of storage > at ordinary temperatures (23-28C, 73-82F) for periods of 1.5 - 2 > years, with statistical evaluation of the results. .... Major changes > were found in nearly all attributes: in the 2-year period 13% of the > dextrose and 5% of the levulose were converted to other carbohydrates, > the relatively low sucrose content was increased 73%, other > disaccharide sugars increased 68%, and the more complex sugars > increased 13%. Diastase decreased at a rate of about 3% per month, > and total acidity increased about 0.5% per month." > > "All of these changes can be avoided by storing honey at low > temperatures. For this purpose temperature should be 10C (50F) for > unheated honey; great advantage will result from avoiding temperatures > above 15C (59F). Actually, honey kept at very low temperatures for > years cannot be distinguished from the freshest honey. However, the > interval between 10-15C (50-59F) must be avoided because granulation > is promoted with accompanying increased liability to fermentation. > Storage above 27C (81F) should be avoided, even for relatively short > times since deterioration in color, flavor, and enzyme content is > particularly rapid." > > I am curious to learn how other beekeepers are storing honey to > maintain quality. Many sideline and hobby beekeepers such as myself > are using a "warm box" or "warm room", but now I wonder whether the > quality deterioration is significant enough to rethink this. > Comments? > > John > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas, USA > http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey candy Date: 30 Nov 2001 08:00:52 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9u8afk01fi8@drn.newsguy.com> References: <7b68f573.0111281846.38e991c3@posting.google.com> <9u6eja09mh@drn.newsguy.com> <748940da.0111300535.19617aca@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-987.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.91 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30644 pppaulhill@aol.com said: >I tried a couple of weeks ago to make some candy out of pure honey. Using honey, and nothing else, was the fatal error. I asked my wife, who has more baking pans than I have hives, and she says that there MUST be other items in the mix, such as butter. While one CAN heat pure sugar to "hardball" and "hard crack", this makes "spun sugar", and not a traditional hard candy. She says that there are a large number of honey-candy recipes, many of them "hard candy", available to anyone who searches (using Google) with the terms "honey candy recipe". >I heated it to the hard ball stage, stirring constantly it bubbled over >and got a burnt taste. I pulled it like taffy and laid ropes out on >wax paper. when it cooled it was still fairly runny and very sticky. >I scraped the whole mess. Go ahead and try that is the only way you >will learn you have nothing to lose other then a little honey!!!!! >Can anyone explain why mine didn't get hard? Article 30645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: James Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey storage temperatures Date: 30 Nov 2001 08:13:28 -0800 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9u8b7801hmu@drn.newsguy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-441.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.91 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30645 John said: >Until recently, I thought that keeping honey warm was a satisfactory >way to store honey and avoid granulation prior to sale. Then I read >in "The Hive and Honey Bee" book (Dadant, 1992, p 904-5) that >temperatures above 81F (27C) caused the quality of honey to >deteriorate more quickly. >I am curious to learn how other beekeepers are storing honey to >maintain quality. Two words - root cellar! With the natural heat-sink of an underground chamber, one gets temps in the low to mid 50s year-round without heating or cooling. If you do not have a root cellar, don't just get out a sledge and make a hole in your basement foundation - you will need quite a bit of steel to reinforce ANY man-sized opening in a foundation, and likely need a contractor, if not a structural engineer. That said, it is easy to see the payback from a "hole in the ground" versus the price of any form of energy. I spent some money making the door insect and critter-proof, and spent some more money laying pressure-treated lumber floor joists and a 3/4-inch plywood floor, but this was simply to make my handtruck roll smoothly. I dunno what the really big boys do, but I do not store 55-Gallon drums. I never have much problem "selling out" by the end of October, so right now, I am down to only about half a dozen 5-Gallon pails. Article 30646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey candy Date: 30 Nov 2001 17:20:05 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9u8f45$570$0@65.201.241.96> References: <7b68f573.0111281846.38e991c3@posting.google.com> <9u6eja09mh@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.96 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30646 On 29 Nov 2001 14:58:50 -0800, James Fischer wrote: >leggassoc@hotmail.com asked: > >>I am interested in knowing if you can make hard candy from honey. >>Only thing I have found so far is hard candies from Dadant with a >>honey center but these are made from sucrose. Can you heat honey to >>the hard crack stage and then make drops from this? > >Not to my knowledge, but you COULD let some honey crystallize, >and then form balls of the crystallized honey to be dipped in >chocolate or whatever coating you'd like. > >You could try making hard candies with honey rather than sugar, >but I have never tried this, and have no idea if this would >result in candy, or glop. > > jim > Now that's an idea. Maybe even freeze the crystalized balls first, dip them quickly then place them in the freezer immediately again to solidify the chocolate before it's heat melts the honey too much. I have tried the hardtack honey, and met with the same falure as others. It generally tasted burnt. It did get hard but quickly absorbed water and was a sticky mess in several days. -Tim Article 30647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 30 Nov 2001 20:13:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Feeding Sugar Candy Message-ID: <20011130151340.27146.00000035@mb-mu.aol.com> Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30647 Given the prolonged warm spell I think I am going to want to feed the bees and would like to try candy. Any pointers out there? I have the kitchen all to myself this weekend. Is the 12345 formula sufficient? 1 pint water 5 lbs sugar brought to 234 degrees f?