Article 26742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sylviae@arches.uga.edu (sylvia elliott) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Jakob caught in a beeyard?? Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:28:15 -0400 Organization: univ of georgia Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: wendolene.ucns.uga.edu X-Trace: cronkite.cc.uga.edu 967832897 12980 128.192.6.102 (1 Sep 2000 18:28:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@cronkite.cc.uga.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 2000 18:28:17 GMT Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!andromeda.5sc.net!finch!cronkite!wendolene.ucns.uga.edu!user Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26742 I missed the TV shots, but saw a photo which somewhat confirmed this... In the recent Emulex stock scam, they arrested a Mark Jakob for falsifying a news report. Someone told me they arrested the 23 year old Calif. student in his bee yard. Brave policemen! The one photo I found did indeed show him in a full bee veil, but the caption said he was wearing a mask. Sure enough the veil hid his face well. Was he really arrested in a bee yard? -- Sylvia Elliott Univ. Computing and Networking Svces Univ of Georgia sylviae@arches.uga.edu Article 26743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beekeeper2000@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Orange blobs Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:13:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8op9lv$lvs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8oboui$ths$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000827154132.03330.00000610@ng-ct1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.139.135.155 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Sep 01 21:44:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.139.135.155 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26743 In article , "David Verville" wrote: > Hey Tom > There is a big difference between Dysentery and Nosema. > Bees can get dysentary without having Nosema. Yes thanks, we know about dysentery and nosema, but it's not nosema, and there is no staining of the hive. > The later is often found by the staining on a hive caused by dysentary. > > Sounds like the bees got pinched during hive manipulation. No, Dave is quite an experinced beekeeper, (20+ years) and is very careful in his manipulations. It's something he's never seen before, and nothing I have had experience with either. It may be a case for the County BDI when dave returns from holidays. Thanks anyway. > > Tom > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <967658574.568592@neptune.uniserve.ca> <8ok8rn$plj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <115uqsksup1b67rdt6cd3e91t2j2nsf7dk@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Bee Hive Dimensions Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:53:50 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.11 X-Complaints-To: residential-security@team.look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 967844818 204.244.87.11 (Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:46:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:46:58 PDT Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26744 >And one mfr. in Canada still uses 7/8" thick lumber -- not 3/4" like >everyone else. Why? Dunno. (etc.) Who is everyone else? N.G. Article 26745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Sep 2000 01:08:57 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Honey Message-ID: <20000901210857.06354.00001030@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26745 Hi group, I am interested in buying some varietal honeys such as orange blossom, wahilla (sp?)etc. Anything with a distinctive taste and/or color. Right now I only need about one barrel to try. If you are interested in selling some please give me an e-mail. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 02:00:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8opmvl$4eh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000901210857.06354.00001030@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.93 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Sep 02 02:00:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.93 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26746 (Robert Williamson) wrote: > Hi group, > I am interested in buying some varietal honeys such as orange blossom, > wahilla (sp?)etc. Anything with a distinctive taste and/or color. > Robert Williamson ************************************************* Howdy Robert -- Good luck to you in your search for varietals. You might try contacting the Chamber of Commerce at Uvalde. In 1938 - 1939 I worked for a beekeeper who kept a couple of hundred hives southwest of there for the Huajillo honey. It is spectacular and considered one of the choice honeys of the world. The area between Uvalde and the Rio Grande was probably the only area where pure (or near pure) Huajillo could be obtained. Horse Mint honey is good and has a distinctive flavor even when it is only part of the whole. Beekeepers in the Waco or Cameron areas might be of help. Orange blossom should be easy. Just locate a beekeep or two in the Orlando area. Good Luck Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ID? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:34:09 -0400 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.228 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.228 Message-ID: <39b090d2_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 2 Sep 2000 01:32:02 -0500, 64.208.65.228 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.228 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26747 Greetings! Question: AT NIGHT WE HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE HUGE BEES FLYING AROUND OUT PORCH LIGHT. IT IS A CENSOR LIGHT AND WHEN IT COMES ON AT NIGHT THESE HUGE "BEES" ARE FLYING AROUND. THEY ARE THE SAME COLOR AS A REGULAR BEE OR YELLOW JACKET. BUT THEY COME AROUND AT NIGHT WHEN THE CENSOR LIGHT IS ON. COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT THEY ARE NEVER SEE THEM DURING THE DAY, JUST WHEN THE LIGHT COMES ON any replies to the above comments would bee appreciated. -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 26748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: phennessey@ncweb.com (Patrick M. Hennessey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Jakob caught in a beeyard?? Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:57:35 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <39b0dc9f.223279924@news.ncweb.com> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26748 On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:28:15 -0400, sylviae@arches.uga.edu (sylvia elliott) wrote: >Calif. student in his bee yard. Brave policemen! > The one photo I found did indeed show him in a full bee veil, but the >caption said he was wearing a mask. The mask you saw is to prevent him from spitting on the officers or biting them. The fear is getting infected with HIV. Pat Article 26749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ID? Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:08:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <39b0fa27.44513588@news1.radix.net> References: <39b090d2_2@news.cybertours.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26749 On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:34:09 -0400, "Midnitebee" wrote: >Greetings! >Question: >AT NIGHT WE HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE HUGE BEES FLYING AROUND OUT PORCH LIGHT. >IT IS A CENSOR LIGHT AND WHEN IT COMES ON AT NIGHT THESE HUGE "BEES" ARE >FLYING AROUND. THEY ARE THE SAME COLOR AS A REGULAR BEE OR YELLOW JACKET. >BUT THEY COME AROUND AT NIGHT WHEN THE CENSOR LIGHT IS ON. COULD YOU PLEASE >TELL ME WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT THEY ARE NEVER SEE THEM DURING THE DAY, JUST >WHEN THE LIGHT COMES ON > >any replies to the above comments would bee appreciated. Most likely they are Giant Hornets (Vespa crabro germana). They live in hollow trees and make a paper nest. They like to eat honeybees and chew the bark off lilacks. beekeep Article 26750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive splitting Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 22:20:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8orueq$g2l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8omtgl$tsc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39AF0737.E97F9426@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.169.102.54 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Sep 02 22:20:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.169.102.54 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2smart2late Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26750 In article <39AF0737.E97F9426@kingston.net>, beemann@kingston.net wrote: > Do you mean swarming?? > > Kent > sure do, they seem to have plenty of room.... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Javier Soto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb, actualización Septiembre del 2000 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:16:32 +0200 Lines: 44 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.77.212 Message-ID: <39b18a72$2_4@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 3 Sep 2000 01:17:06 +0100, 195.5.77.212 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.77.212 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26751 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, ha sido actualizada el 2 de Septiembre Agosto del 2000. http://www.agroweb-hispana.com (provisionalmente: http://64.224.201.39/) Este mes hemos actualizado todas nuestras secciones: @groEscuela Con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación, plagas del algodón y una ponencia del congreso Hispano-Luso de Agricultura de Conservación y dos colaboraciones enviadas por vosotros. Elevándose la cifra actual a 92 documentos técnicos @groPreguntas Ha vuelto a ser el sitio de encuentro para personas que buscan información agrícola. Hemos rediseñado el tablón de consultas para darle una imagen más personalizada. @groNoticias 103 noticias del sector para estar bien informados, de las cuales la mitad están ya en castellano. @groEnlaces Hemos añadido 104 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a casi 2.389. Hemos revisado todos los enlaces para su perfecto funcionamiento y estamos creando un buscador agrícola y ganadero para páginas hispanas. Además hemos clasificados los enlaces por paises. @groCursos Con interesantes y numerosas novedades, alcanza la cifra de 135 cursos, jornadas, congresos y otros eventos clasificados. @groForo Gran acogida ha tenido nuestro foro Hispanao de Agricultura y ganadería, ya somos 67 personas los que lo formamos, en este escaso tiempo de funcionamiento. Article 26752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Monarch Kill: Comments? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Sep 2000 04:32:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000903003224.14518.00000667@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26752 Wish the bees would get as much attention! Maybe I could get them to somehow have more charisma. http://www.mankatofreepress.com/archives/2000/000826/story1.html Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 26753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail From: "William Fernihough" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3969F008.CEFD573A@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Does age matter on plastic foundation? Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:23:29 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 154.5.152.235 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 967957736 154.5.152.235 (Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:08:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 01:08:56 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26753 There is a difference in Plasticell and Pierco frames. The Pierco frames are really only foundation in a continuous plastic construction which includes the frame. I have tried both the prewaxed and unwaxed and have good luck with both, but learned this year that in a weak honeyflow the prewaxed are the only way to go. My Pierco frames are well done, the bees accept them quite well. I also use the plastic inserts for wood frames, and again, this foundation should be prewaxed for maxium benefit. I always wondered about the "we-c" wrote in message news:smmc5idinu168@corp.supernews.com... > I was at a bee course recently at a local agricultural college, and both the > professor and a local professional beekeeper recommended plasticell, and > very highly at that. But all three of the course participants who had tried > plasticell (all of them relatively experienced keepers, but not > "professionals") had NO success with it. One woman had five hives with mixed > plasticell/wax foundation frames, and her bees had completely ignored the > plasticell over two seasons, while filling the wax frames. In every case the > bees were Italians. > > I don't know about plasticell, I just know that wax foundations seem right > for me. They even smell right. > > BC > > > > Article 26754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: john_de19941@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bee Removal Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 00:41:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8our40$d1l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.213.59 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 04 00:41:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; AOL 5.0; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.213.59 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjohn_de19941 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26754 I have a large tree, about 20 feet from my house, that contains at least 3 active hives. My questions are: 1) Will the honey bee activity eventually harm the tree? 2) What is the likelihood the bees will form a hive in the walls of my house, since it's so close? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: blowers Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 07:17:22 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8ovep7$gs4$3@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39ADE8CF.7223E1BE@winco.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-36.uranium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 968048231 17284 62.136.65.164 (4 Sep 2000 06:17:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Sep 2000 06:17:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26755 "Bill Wallace" wrote in message news:39ADE8CF.7223E1BE@winco.net... > Just used a bee blower from Dadant & Sons it took for ever to clear the > bees out of the super any tricks to using the blower or is this just how > it is. ------------------ I use the Dadant blower - best thing I ever bought. Four tips: Break the supers apart on your previous visit so that there is no brace comb, otherwise bees will become stuck to the honey when blowing. Tip the supers up and blow the bees out in front of the hive. Start by blowing from the top of the super - combs are normally wider at the top and blowing from the bottom will wedge a lot of bees together - then reverse the super and blow from the bottom to clear the last few. Waggle to nozzle from side to side - they hang on tight in a steady stream of air. Article 26756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beekeeper2000@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: No of varroa mites in hive Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 12:38:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8otgnp$2qd$2@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.139.139.156 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 03 12:38:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.139.139.156 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeekeeper2000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26756 I have been viewing recent postings to this group and saw one on the number of mites in a hive and whenn to treat accordingly. Go to http:www.furnessbeekeepers.fsnet.co.uk and link to 'varroa calulator' This gives an estimated total number of mites in the hive from the actual number dropped in a 24 hour period. The table is based on the MAFF calulator distribtued to UK beekeepers. HTH Jonty Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee scale Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Sep 2000 06:30:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000904023053.26857.00001727@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26757 anyone know where I can get a bee scale? Or--how to "jerry-rig" another type of scale so it can work with a bee hive? Article 26758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000904023053.26857.00001727@ng-ci1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bee scale Lines: 18 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <%wHs5.20862$r4.10863@news.indigo.ie> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 07:38:48 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.232.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 968049851 159.134.232.120 (Mon, 04 Sep 2000 07:44:11 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 07:44:11 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26758 Take a bathroom scales,turn it upside down and place your beehive on top of it. you need a frame for the scales so that you can insert a periscope ( made of 2# mirrors attached to a board) under the scales to allow you to read the weight. It works quite well but occasionally the scales stick, so check for free movement by pressing on the scales before you read the weight. Ruary Rudd LKLarson1 wrote in message news:20000904023053.26857.00001727@ng-ci1.aol.com... > anyone know where I can get a bee scale? Or--how to "jerry-rig" another type > of scale so it can work with a bee hive? Article 26759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need some opinions Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: X-Trace: /ba9Qfyg77YE54O0mBj8Wwi+grqPani2hO/Dj4t+0mUWgudwSy3Mkt4VNWguhTYjYUBlUU/H6W4D!d/K7MPWJ5wzUpf/oruPiwLf+UE/XMBBUYj0Xgrrm9UrGAN//yGdclQTxd/Hqc7F47DazncCkKt0w!En49cwI8Ug== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:18:15 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:18:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26759 I checked on my 2 hives today, one started from a swarm I caught about a month ago, the other started from a nuk in spring. The older colony has a 2-story brood chamber and I added a honey super in mid-July. When I opened up the honey super, there wasn't much to look at. Just a few frames with drawn foundation. When I checked the upper super, I found almost all of the frames full of capped honey. (It weighed a ton!). The queen obviously never made it into the 2nd story. The bottom super frames had some some (very little) capped brood. At least I think it was capped brood (do they cap pollen?). I also found a capped queen cell. The whole operation took me a little over a 1/2 hour and towards the end they were getting very cranky and starting to gather on the outside of the super. Fearing they were on their way to another home, I closed up and called it a day. Before I did, I took a frame that had some capped brood (hopefully) and put it in the hive that was started from the late swarm. I also put the honey super between the 2 deep supers. I was told to do this for a week or so to get them to draw out the frames and start storing honey. My questions are: 1. Are they going to swarm this late in the year (I live in N.E. Ohio). Or are they superceding? 2. Are they too confined since the upper box is full of honey? 3. Can I take some of this honey or do they need it all to survive the winter? Article 26760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8our40$d1l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Honey Bee Removal Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:32:07 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.204.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 968106765 62.252.204.121 (Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:32:45 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:32:45 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26760 john_de19941@my-deja.com wrote in message <8our40$d1l$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >I have a large tree, about 20 feet from my house, that contains at >least 3 active hives. My questions are: > >1) Will the honey bee activity eventually harm the tree? > >2) What is the likelihood the bees will form a hive in the walls of my >house, since it's so close? > > If the tree does suffer any harm it is unlikely to be caused by the bees The only possibility of bees entering the walls of your house is when/if they swarm next season. But even then I think you would be just as likely to get a swarm in your walls if your house was 400 yards away. I am surprised by the number you state. Are you sure that there is not a local beekeeper who is responsible for allowing his bees to swarm regularly? Look & ask around! Steve. Article 26781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen marking Message-ID: <39b63eef.493305125@west.usenetserver.com> References: <8p2ve7$tqe$1@news3.icx.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 29 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:57:51 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:58:51 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26781 It could be either / or both. Last week at the fair we noticed one queen had most of the paint dot wear off by the end of the week, she was newly introduced and they balled her for the first two days but didn't kill her, which I assume took care of most of the paint. You could also have a second queen, but say you looked pretty carefully. You could also have lost the painted queen and it was replaced by a new one <== most probably answer. I know you wanted just one answer .. not easy Dave On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:25:33 -0000, "Mark and Mary" wrote: >I started my first hive two springs ago. I had a local beekeeper help me. >He has since passed away and now I have no one close to ask these beginner >questions. He had me purchase a marked queen. I had no problem finding her >last year. This year I have been on my own and had not worried about >finding the queen because I've had plenty of brood in both deep supers. >Saturday I took my time and decided to find my queen. I found one but she >had no paint spot. Does the paint wear off or is this a new queen? She is >the only one I found in this hive. If you have answers please e-mail me at >huey1466@yahoo.com thanks in advanced > > Article 26782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Javier Soto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb - NOTICIA IMPORTANTE Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:33:55 +0200 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.77.141 Message-ID: <39b56778$1_2@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 5 Sep 2000 23:36:56 +0100, 195.5.77.141 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.77.141 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26782 Estimado/a @groCibernauta: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, en su proceso de expansión, gracias a la gran aceptación que está teniendo en los países que hablan nuestra lengua, ha cambiado de dirección URL. A partir de ahora podéis acceder a nuestro espacio desde la siguiente dirección: http://www.agrohispana.com/ en donde encontrareis nuestras secciones de: @groCursos - Cursos y otros eventos relacionados con la Agricultura y Ganadería @groPreguntas - El lugar donde poder obtener respuestas a tus cuestiones. @groEnlaces - El mayor directorio de enlaces Agrícolas en castellano @groEscuela - Documentos técnicos, colaboraciones. @groNoticias - La sección para estar bien informado. --------------------------------------------------------- En el caso de vosotros que tenéis nuestra Web en el directorio de Favoritos del Navegador, simplemente ir a la dirección antes indicada y agregarla de nuevo sobreescribiendo la antigua dirección. ---------------------------------------------------------- Para actualizar u obtener un enlace hacia nuestra página, copia los códigos HTML de la página: http://www.agrohispana.com/links.htm Un cordial saludo: Javier Soto Article 26783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pollen database! Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:19:08 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8p5jlf$rfs$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip14.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 968249839 28156 195.249.242.14 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26783 There seems to have been an error in the pollen archive! I have now replaced all archives with tested archives here on my computer Win98 update 2 and on a win95 computer. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!216.238.98.25.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.thebiz.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39B6513A.5F2D9158@sysadm.suny.edu> From: Jim Murray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re-Queening Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:14:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.254.1.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@thebiz.net X-Trace: newsfeed1.thebiz.net 968249664 141.254.1.142 (Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:14:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:14:24 EDT Organization: BiznessOnline.com, Inc. Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26784 Hi, I have a single hive that has produced some very nice honey for the last two years. The hive was installed last April, so this is the second productive season for the current queen. How long should I expect to use this queen? I've heard that three is about the max before replacing her which means that I should re-queen next year. Also, what is the best time of year to re-queen? Spring/Fall? Feel free to respond to the group or to me directly. Thanks! Jim Murray murray@albany.net Article 26785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!icx.net!not-for-mail From: "Mark and Mary" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen marking Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:25:33 -0000 Organization: ICX Online, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8p2ve7$tqe$1@news3.icx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kih129-161.kih.net X-Trace: news3.icx.net 968163591 30542 64.89.129.161 (5 Sep 2000 14:19:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@icx.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Sep 2000 14:19:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26785 I started my first hive two springs ago. I had a local beekeeper help me. He has since passed away and now I have no one close to ask these beginner questions. He had me purchase a marked queen. I had no problem finding her last year. This year I have been on my own and had not worried about finding the queen because I've had plenty of brood in both deep supers. Saturday I took my time and decided to find my queen. I found one but she had no paint spot. Does the paint wear off or is this a new queen? She is the only one I found in this hive. If you have answers please e-mail me at huey1466@yahoo.com thanks in advanced Article 26786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Vs: Re-Queening Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:10:44 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8p616e$l3q$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <39B6513A.5F2D9158@sysadm.suny.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip83.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 968263694 21626 195.249.242.83 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26786 "Jim Murray" skrev i en meddelelse news:39B6513A.5F2D9158@sysadm.suny.edu... >. How long should I expect to use > this queen? I've heard that three is about the max before replacing her > which means that I should re-queen next year. if you don't requeen it will likely be so that the bees will take care of it themselves. > > Also, what is the best time of year to re-queen? Spring/Fall? the best time in my opinion will be in the swarming season. I am doing requeening at this time myself, but it can be done all summer. Doing it in Fall can lead to a bad mated queen and the bees have no time to correct this. best regards Jorn Johanesson -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:10:44 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 69 Message-ID: <8p616f$l3q$2@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip83.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 968263695 21626 195.249.242.83 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26787 I have now performed a heavy revision and bug fix on Bidata and have expanded the queen breeder mode. I got help from a professional programmer , against payment (1500USD), to get this software to perform error free. It has now succeeded in running stable and without errors on my computer for 14 days and all functions have been tested. This edition have taken all my money from my bank account set aside for Apimondia in South Africa, and because I am unemployed and living from work insurance, this will be the last public update from my Hand. Those with big registration will still get information of updates coming. There is following news in the software. If the queen is changed the old queen will be preserved in a special database, so that she can be used in further expansions of the queen breeder mode. If you wish an Automatic generated queen identification will be made. It consist of the following elements. up to four chars in initials followed by a number determining the race of bees. then two numbers determining the year the queen is introduced. then up to a number of 2million as a serial number and then a slash and the number of the hive where the queen first is introduced. Additional can be added the queen line in the form of F00, F001 up to F99. The queen line can be obtained from a dropdown list. This should assure a unique number for all queens. there are space for 99999 queens. and up to 2 billions records in the database so even with a unusual number of hive notes I don't think you will run out of space. A queen number could look like this: JJoh30030-30F00 In my system the number 3 after the initials stands for Buckfast. This number by the way can be obtained from a dropdown list. The queen serial number will be shown both in the queen numbers and a special field (read Only) there can be given up to five drone sources to the queens. By the way the queen breeder input follows the Swedish Queen breeder register card. and all points are included. also is a change made so that when a new bee year starts (a new database is automatic created) a list of queens from last Year will be shown, so that queens still present can be imported to the new Bee Year. I know that a software of this kind always will be a compromise, but I have been concerned of being so all-round as possible. because my financial situation is bad, I will ask you to get the update yourself. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update4.exe this will be the last public update if membership of EDBi is not maintained or the software is not paid for otherwise. Best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 home page = HTTP:\\apimo.dk Article 26788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newshub1.kdd1.nap.home.ne.jp!news.home.ne.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth infestation Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:28:34 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <39B69AE1.6CD12EEE@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26788 One product available in the US, (I think sold by Mann Lake) is Paramoth. It is crystals of Paradiclorobenzyne (sp?), which is also the same stuff as those white cakes found in urinals as a deodorizer. Supposedly it works by off-gassing and replaces the oxygen. Since it is a chemical treatment, I would not suggest using it before extracting. Many would say not to use it at all. Another treatment is to bag your hive box and put it in the freezer. A week ago I had a couple deep boxes of brood comb that had a few worms in it. I knew I needed to treat it quick before it got out of hand. I put them in garbage bags, put a spoonful of Paramoth on a sheet of newspaper, placed this on top of the frames and sealed the bag. Yesterday I was able to free up enough freezer space for one of these. I opened the bag to remove the Paramoth. On the paper I found about a dozen worms crawling around the crystals. It makes me wonder how well this stuff really works. Paul A few days ago, I popped the lid off of a hive for a routine check. Inside was more moths and cocoons then bees!! Out of a double supered hive there were only two frames, or so, of bees left. I salvaged the bees and put them into a new apartment. We'll see if they make it. My question is,,,,what are some of the wax moth treatments out there? Are they safe to use before extracting? Pros,,,,cons? Appreciate it,,,, Article 26789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!easynet-melon!easynet.net!monolith.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail From: "Thomas Wagg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: B. thuringiensis - effect on bees? X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lines: 2 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:35:05 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.40.200.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 968272758 195.40.200.242 (Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:39:18 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:39:18 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26789 B. thuringiensis is very closely related to B. larvae. Has any work been done to check whether BT can produce a disease in honeybees similar to AFB? Article 26790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39B6AC73.7470A9B@raytheon.com> From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Killer Bees in Dallas, Texas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:43:31 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.126.254.210 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com 968272739 138.126.254.210 (Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:38:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:38:59 EDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26790 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:223 http://dallasnews.com/metro/163488_bees_05met.ART.html It's "official", the AHB's have arrived in north Texas (see link above). The Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex (both Tarrant County and Dallas county) is now under quarantine! Article 26791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping handheld software Update! Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:09:26 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8p6blo$ge5$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip51.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 968274424 16837 195.249.242.51 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26791 supported handheld devices are as follow: Palm Computing Platform-compatible handheld computers such as the 3Com Palm IIIT , 3Com Palm V+T and PalmPilotT connected organizers, Symbol Technologies' SPT family of devices, the IBM WorkPad PC CompanionT, QUALCOMM 's pdQ smartphone, and the Franklin DayPlannerT. here is some news: http://apimo.dk/programs/Bidata_palm3.zip You also need http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95inst.exe Both archives contains a Bidata edition about the Palm Bidata : it must be up running to syncronize. palm data overwrites data in bidata except for the changing of queens in Bidate. if you delete hives in Bidata you must also delete on the palm vise versa, otherwise the hive will be put in again in Bidata. In all other cases the Palm Bidata is equal to the normal Bidata revision. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: B. thuringiensis - effect on bees? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Sep 2000 02:48:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000906224818.15911.00000049@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26792 >B. thuringiensis is very closely related to B. larvae. Has any work been >done to check whether BT can produce a disease in honeybees similar to AFB? There's no evidence of it. A strain of Bt was used for several years right on honeycomb to prevent wax worm damage. It was called Certan, and I understand it is still available in some places. But in the US, the sales were not big enough for the manufacturer to reregister. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 26793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.144!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J Kimbro" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Radial extractors better? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:30:17 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.197.142.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 968297951 63.197.142.62 (Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:39:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:39:11 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26793 A few years ago I bought a small extractor. turned out to be WAY to small for my needs. I heard that the "radial" extractors were the way to go but I can't seem to find any that are in the 5 or 6 deep frame size. Has anyone heard or seen any? Probably more importantly, is a radial extractor any better than tangentially? Article 26794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!news.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Favorite honey "flavors" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:55:30 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8p832n$1vo$1@news.jump.net> References: <20000907030017.16079.00000460@ng-fu1.aol.com> X-Trace: news.jump.net 968331159 2040 207.8.9.139 (7 Sep 2000 12:52:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26794 Definately Clover!! LKLarson1 wrote in message news:20000907030017.16079.00000460@ng-fu1.aol.com... > What are your favorites? My daughter and (new) son-in-law just came back from > France (south--by Carcasonne) and gave me a jar of lavendar honey (Provence > region)--it was the best honey I've ever tasted. Now, I really will have to > get serious about planting some lavendar in the pasture. My other favorites > (up to now) have been (besides clover) orange and raspberry honeys. > Article 26795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Sep 2000 06:54:01 GMT References: <8ojes5$sh5$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000907025401.16079.00000455@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26795 Would lady's pantyhose qualify (100 microns)? Or, would it take all the pollen out of the honey? Article 26796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Favorite honey "flavors" Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Sep 2000 07:00:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000907030017.16079.00000460@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26796 What are your favorites? My daughter and (new) son-in-law just came back from France (south--by Carcasonne) and gave me a jar of lavendar honey (Provence region)--it was the best honey I've ever tasted. Now, I really will have to get serious about planting some lavendar in the pasture. My other favorites (up to now) have been (besides clover) orange and raspberry honeys. Article 26797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractors better? Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:06:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8p80b0$b89$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.17.111 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 07 12:06:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.161.17.111 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26797 I have a copy of the Rossman Apiaries catalog and they show a few different extractors. If you are planning on extracting 9-1/4" frames, they carry 2 extractors that will allow you to extract 3 frames tangentially. If you are using 5-3/8" or 6-1/4" frames, then these same extractors will allow 9 or 18 frames to be extracted radially. They are the "Deluxe 9 Frame Radial Hand Extractor" and the "Super Deluxe 18 Frame Radial Power Extractor". You can also use the order numbers L-150 and L-160 respectively. The website for Rossman Apiaries is www.gabees.com. They have a toll free number: 1-800-333-7677. As far as tangential verses radial extracting, radial extractors have 2 advantages over tangential. First, you can fit more frames into a radial extractor, and second, radial extracting does not damage the comb as much since there is less lateral pressure applied across the foundation. Good Luck, Paul B. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!xmission!news.aros.net!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Killer Bees in Dallas, Texas Date: 7 Sep 2000 12:41:44 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8p82e8$jmq$0@63.68.70.147> References: <39B6AC73.7470A9B@raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.70.147 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26798 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:224 On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:43:31 -0500, "Larry S. Farris" wrote: > http://dallasnews.com/metro/163488_bees_05met.ART.html > >It's "official", the AHB's have arrived in north Texas (see link >above). > >The Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex (both Tarrant County and >Dallas county) is now under quarantine! > Hopefully the bees can read and comply with it. :) -Tim Article 26799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Whoops! Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:01:16 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8p83vq$8s$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip57.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 968332090 284 195.249.242.57 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26799 The bidata I had put up contain an error that prevents files from being created properly It is now fixed!!! http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update4.exe will take care of this! Just install upon the old installation. Sorry for this hassel. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractors better? Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:08:14 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <39B7933E.C1E3DAC4@okstate.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26800 J Kimbro wrote: > stuff deleted > Probably more importantly, is a radial extractor any better than > tangentially? I have used both. My friend has a manual 4 frame tangential extractor. Works fine but if you start cranking to hard on the handle you can push your drawn comb right through the basket. I bought a used dadant radial this year. It handles 6 deep and 12 medium frames and I love it. No reversing of frames...no worry about blowing out the drawn comb. Only problem is that when I turn on the juice and it gets up to speed it tends to walk around a bit. But I can put up with that. Cost was less than $500 vs $900 or so for a brand new one. I'd try advertising in your local paper for a WTB or asking around and see if there's a beekeeping association nearby. Gary Article 26801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hncprelude@aol.com (Hncprelude) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EARN EXTRA CASH! Lines: 499 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Sep 2000 17:34:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000907133422.27944.00000026@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26801 Earn Extra Cash! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ Discussion Area ] [ FAQ ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Posted by Kim Williams on October 13, 1998 at 15:36:08: TURN SIX DOLLARS INTO SIX THOUSAND QUICK AND EASY. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO TURN SIX DOLLARS INTO SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS: : READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE! IT DOES WORK! : I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. 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IT DOES WORK! : I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little : while back, I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, : and came across an article similar to this that said you could make : thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of : $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam", but : like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said : that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the : article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of : the list at #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. : (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it : over, and talking to a few people first, I thought about trying it. I : figured: "what have I got to lose except 6 stamps and $6.00, : right?" Then I invested the measly $6.00. Well GUESS WHAT!?... : within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I : figured it would end soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my : first week, I made about $25.00. By the end of the second week I had : made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had over : $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This is now my fourth week and I : have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and it's still coming in : rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more : than that on the lottery!! Let me tell you how this works and most : importantly, WHY it works... Also, make sure you print a copy of this : article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need it. : I promise you that if you follow the directions exactly, that you : will start making more money than you thought possible by doing : something so easy! : Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (print it out or : download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the money come : in! : It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus : postage) : IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not : illegal; and it is 99% no risk - it really works! : If all of the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive : extraordinary dividends. : PLEASE NOTE: : Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be : yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful because of : the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please continue its : success by carefully adhering to the instructions. : You will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business : your product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in : the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations are : happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made : from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from : people like you and me asking to be included in that list. : Here are the 4 easy steps to success: : STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on : each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now : get 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of : paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent : thievery). Next, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal : them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of : paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 : bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY : LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for : it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried : about the legal aspects of it all. 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Dan Schmitt 14:30:02 11/11/99 (0) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Post a Followup Name: E-Mail: Subject: Comments: Optional Link URL: Link Title: Optional Image URL: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ Discussion Area ] [ FAQ ] Article 26802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can yellow jackets take over a week colony? Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: /K0ZECaHg6+emfNKsmznK/rLwrLb29YoZfjQpeyBOGzGwbvyl+SMbgzW3e63opUU67NmkzpQ3jOw!l2CvjtxVNmWLNdSl4g74NmIA3FY3QPbeT/pqTibcNg6Cj0YX/Ck4hCD0hlcgdHZe6sP6bDY3WPwH!17Y94c4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:41:14 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:41:14 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26802 I have a small colony that I started from a swarm I caught about 6 weeks ago. I checked on them Labor Day and they didn't seem to be doing much but I found some larva so I thought they might be OK. Today I noticed a lot of activity outside of the hive so I thought that a bunch of brood may have hatched. When I took a closer look, I found bees and wasps in battle. It looked like the bees were out-numbered. I got my bee suit and opened up the outer cover and quite a few yellow jackets came at me. Although I didn't get any further into the hive, it really looks more like a yellow jacket hive from the outside now. Has anyone ever experienced this before??? Is there anything I can do? My first thought is to dismantle the hive and write this one off. It was a small swarm and I wasn't to confident that they'd build up enough for the (Ohio) winter. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Article 26803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Favorite honey "flavors" Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Sep 2000 20:52:32 GMT References: <8p832n$1vo$1@news.jump.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000907165232.18440.00000078@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26803 I gotta say I was very impressed with leatherwood from Tasmania. Local I like the fall honey here that is Japanese knotweed, goldenrod and such. (southeast CT USA) Tom Article 26804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39B80E94.5AEB@wp.bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Radial extractors better? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:54:28 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 968363880 147.226.103.42 (Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:58:00 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:58:00 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26804 J Kimbro wrote: > > A few years ago I bought a small extractor. turned out to be WAY to small > for my needs. I heard that the "radial" extractors were the way to go but I > can't seem to find any that are in the 5 or 6 deep frame size. > Has anyone heard or seen any? > Probably more importantly, is a radial extractor any better than > tangentially? I have upgraded to a radial this year and like it. The tangential 2 frame that I used required you to reverse the frames and took a long time to do a super. The tangential put more force on the frame and did sometimes distort the foundation. It flings the honey out better than the radial when the honey is cold. The radial I use is from Walter Kelly company and does 21 medium or shallow frames and 9 deep frames. There is no reversing and this is what I needed with for my 19 hives. Article 26805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-180-215.phnx.grid.net!user From: NO-Stretch@SPAM-StretchPhotography.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can yellow jackets take over a weak colony? Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:08:47 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b4.d7 X-Server-Date: 7 Sep 2000 23:58:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26805 In article <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>, "Chris Bjelica" wrote: > > Although I didn't get any further into the hive, it really looks more > like a yellow jacket hive from the outside now. > > Has anyone ever experienced this before??? > Is there anything I can do? My first thought is to dismantle the hive > and write this one off. It was a small swarm and I wasn't to confident > that they'd build up enough for the (Ohio) winter. I'm a novice beekeeper, but my experience is that: 1) Since YJ's live in the ground, they're probably not living in the hive, but, rather 2) They're robbing your honey, eating your brood, and basically wreaking havoc with the hive. This late in the year, I'd imagine you'll lose everything. There are others here with more knowledge who will respond, but that's MHO. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 26806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Robert Talk" From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: One time post for site update Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:11:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 968375496 24.27.124.132 (Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:11:36 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:11:36 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26806 The Beetalk web site has a new update: We now have an observation hive at: http://members.tripod.com/beetalk/3_frame_obs__hive.htm or you can get there by: http://beetalk.tripod.com Thanks, Robert Article 26807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can yellow jackets take over a week colony? Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:10:20 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <39B84A8C.52CC1F56@kingston.net> References: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26807 Hi Chris, If the hive isn't to far gone reduce the entrance. Kent Article 26808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Favorite honey "flavors" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:34:59 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 14 Message-ID: <39B85E63.2C2566A3@uidaho.edu> References: <8p832n$1vo$1@news.jump.net> <20000907165232.18440.00000078@ng-fm1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 968384112 30425 129.101.81.41 (8 Sep 2000 03:35:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2000 03:35:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26808 Linden. That is my current favorite. It is fluorescence golden and has a wonderful yet strong and smooth flavor. I am in Moscow ID. Cheers Matthew BeeCrofter wrote: > I gotta say I was very impressed with leatherwood from Tasmania. > > Local I like the fall honey here that is > Japanese knotweed, goldenrod and such. (southeast CT USA) > > Tom Article 26809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!news.clear.net.nz!d1-u38.taur.clear.net.nz From: "Christina Lotz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pure NZ Propolis FS Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u38.taur.clear.net.nz Message-ID: <39b867cb$1@clear.net.nz> X-Original-Trace: 8 Sep 2000 16:15:07 +1200, d1-u38.taur.clear.net.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:15:16 CDT X-Trace: sv2-5NCJ3b+/5Kc9bup1FIXP1jhDnuQ5mHLU+gYRFSKsS/UO30UgqAonDxjOTjG1j0BX2LUdbSWA7pUnReC!Uqa0w4oJaG7hxyDepUR7wqdm X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:28:09 +1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26809 Pure New Zealand Propolis for Sale - Offers please. -- Christina & Gustav Lotz MASTER LOTZ MEISTER FILTERS 422 Maniatutu Rd. R.D.6 Te Puke NZ ph. 64-7-533 1645 fax 64-7-533 1665 email lotz@clear.net.nz meisterfilter@clear.net.nz Article 26810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Favorite honey "flavors" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:36:31 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8pa043$5it$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000907030017.16079.00000460@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-92.tin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 968393667 5725 62.136.41.92 (8 Sep 2000 06:14:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2000 06:14:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26810 Ling heather without a doubt. "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000907030017.16079.00000460@ng-fu1.aol.com... > What are your favorites? My daughter and (new) son-in-law just came back from > France (south--by Carcasonne) and gave me a jar of lavendar honey (Provence > region)--it was the best honey I've ever tasted. Now, I really will have to > get serious about planting some lavendar in the pasture. My other favorites > (up to now) have been (besides clover) orange and raspberry honeys. > Article 26811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!skynet.be!news.vas-net.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pricing Honey--Health Food Store Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:32:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8pa041$5it$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8ojes5$sh5$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000907025401.16079.00000455@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-92.tin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 968393665 5725 62.136.41.92 (8 Sep 2000 06:14:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2000 06:14:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26811 Who knows - what is the mesh size? Not the best thing to use anyway - even if brand new! - as there may be dye that would contaminate the honey. Buy a proper straining cloth, they are cheap enough. "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000907025401.16079.00000455@ng-fu1.aol.com... > Would lady's pantyhose qualify (100 microns)? Or, would it take all the pollen > out of the honey? Article 26812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth infestation Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:35:34 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8pa042$5it$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39B69AE1.6CD12EEE@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-92.tin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 968393666 5725 62.136.41.92 (8 Sep 2000 06:14:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2000 06:14:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26812 "Paul Petty" wrote in message news:39B69AE1.6CD12EEE@ims.com... > One product available in the US, (I think sold by Mann Lake) is > Paramoth. It is crystals of Paradiclorobenzyne (sp?), which is also the > same stuff as those white cakes found in urinals as a deodorizer. ------------------- Don't think that it is the same. Paradichlorobenzine does contaminate wax and is suspected of being a carcinogen. Article 26813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Eddie P. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Half Capped Honey Supers - Fall Prep! Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:56:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8panmf$hgp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.73.164.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Sep 08 12:56:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.73.164.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDedpostiii Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26813 It's my first time prepping for the fall and winter. I have 2 hives doing well, 2 full brood boxes on each hive and 1 honey super on each as well. Since I started with foundation only on most of the frames, the colony spent their energy on drawing out the comb and therefore not a lot of honey (2-3 completely capped frames) up top, hence no harvest this year. Based on my research and reading, I was planning on moving the honey supers above the inside cover, so that the honey is available to the colony during the fall. I was also planning on using Cappings scratcher to open up the capped honey so that the honey supers would be picked clean and I could remove the honey supers for the winter. Is this a sound strategy and will the bee clean it up? I've read that it is not recommended to leave the honey supers on (below the inner cover) over the winter since the colony and queen will usually move up to the honey super and begin rearing brood there. Bottom line, I want to make sure there is enough food and remove my nicely drawn out honey supers so I can use them next year. Thoughts, comments. Ed Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "jlongy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebee economics Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:22:07 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8pb0ep$bor$1@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: "jlongy" NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-104.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 968426777 12059 193.251.26.104 (8 Sep 2000 15:26:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2000 15:26:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26814 Few month ago i posted a message to find the book : bumblebee economics. I keep on searching this book. Mr Yosi Sarid answered, if he gets this message please contact me. I want to read this book. Thanks for your help Jean-François Article 26815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: TheRicardos@webtv.net (Lucy & Ricky) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: TICK ALERT !! 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Lucy --WebTV-Mail-23721-2453 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-23721-2453-- Article 26816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:31:46 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8pb467$k81$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8nru7p$2cn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ok7lq$o9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userds09.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 968430599 20737 62.188.6.115 (8 Sep 2000 16:29:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Sep 2000 16:29:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26816 Robert Talk wrote in message news:BU8t5.31$yY.7056@news.flash.net... > From the Encyclopedia Brittanica: > > QUOTE > cold-bloodedness > > also called POIKILOTHERMY, ECTOTHERMY, OR HETEROTHERMY, the state of having > a variable body temperature that is usually only slightly higher than the > environmental temperature. This state distinguishes fishes, amphibians, > reptiles, and invertebrate animals from warm-blooded, or homoiothermic, > animals (birds and mammals). Because of their dependence upon environmental > warmth for metabolic functioning, the distribution of terrestrial > cold-blooded animals is limited, with only a few exceptions, to areas with a > temperature range of 5-10º to 35-40º C (41-50º to 95-104º F). For > cold-blooded animals living in the arctic seas, temperatures may range from > below 0º C to 10-15º C (below 32º F to 50-59º F). Poikilotherms do maintain > a limited control over internal temperature by behavioral means, such as > basking in sunlight to warm their bodies. > ENDQUOTE > > It would seem that bees are cold-blooded. > > Robert snips.... > > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote: > > > Bees are not cold blooded...they generate their own heat, not absorbe > > the ambient heat of their environment...hence the 80+ degree > > temperatures hives in the middle of a freezing winter.. > > > > Hmmm. Do you know what cold blooded means? > > One of those cases where it depends if you consider the individual bee, or if the whole colony is seen as an individual. The bee alone is poikilothermic - it cannot maintain a temperature above ambient, except perhaps a few degrees whilst in active flight. The colony as a whole, however, can be considered homiothermic - it CAN maintain a temperature notably and consistently higher than ambient. Takes upwards of 100 bees to make a sensible attempt at this, so your individual bee that comes out for air on a snowy day will never get home if it once settles for a rest. Everybody is right! what a triumph for logic! Martin, MK, UK. Article 26817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0444.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebee economics Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:40:29 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <8pb0ep$bor$1@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0444.nts-online.net (216.167.132.189) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 968438433 13354475 216.167.132.189 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26817 Jean-François ask again: >Few month ago i posted a message to find the book : bumblebee economics. I >keep on searching this book. Hi, Jean I have that book and very fine it is. Go to: http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/HEIBUX.html you can buy the book from the Harvard press securely online for 20 USD. au revoir, C.K. Article 26818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:58:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8pbgd9$gg2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8nru7p$2cn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ok7lq$o9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8pb467$k81$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Sep 08 19:58:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26818 > One of those cases where it depends if you consider the individual > bee, or if the whole colony is seen as an individual... > Everybody is right! what a triumph for logic! Good point. It's always nice to have a win/win result. Anyhow, seeing as the topic is Observation Hive, I thought I might just show you a picture of a volunteer observation hive. The address of the thumbnail picture is: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/images/VolObs_small.jpg and the larger image is at: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/images/VolObs.jpg You can read what I plan to do with it at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/diary/ allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation Hive Message-ID: References: <8nru7p$2cn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ok7lq$o9q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8pb467$k81$1@lure.pipex.net> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 22 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:42:35 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:38:19 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26819 In article <8pb467$k81$1@lure.pipex.net>, p.Buckle@care4free.net says... > One of those cases where it depends if you consider the individual bee, or > if the whole colony is seen as an individual. The bee alone is > poikilothermic - it cannot maintain a temperature above ambient, except > perhaps a few degrees whilst in active flight. The colony as a whole, > however, can be considered homiothermic - it CAN maintain a temperature > notably and consistently higher than ambient. Takes upwards of 100 bees to > make a sensible attempt at this, so your individual bee that comes out for > air on a snowy day will never get home if it once settles for a rest. > Everybody is right! what a triumph for logic! > > Martin, MK, UK. > > Cool info, thanks! Would it be correct that the homeothermic heat for the 100 plus bees is generated by the metabolic activity of the bees as they eat their stored honey? Do they all take turns eating honey, so that ones on the bottom of the pile change places with the other bees higher up in the cluster? I believe that one of the newsgroup members made a reference one time to the bees rotating around in their cluster like that. Article 26820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Sep 2000 23:27:10 GMT References: <39B85E63.2C2566A3@uidaho.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite honey "flavors" Message-ID: <20000908192710.16632.00000274@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26820 >golden and has a >wonderful yet strong and smooth flavor. same here with Sour wood. Tim Article 26821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "CVSoderquist" Subject: Sucrose vs fructose Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:25:31 -0600 Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.92.165.192 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26821 Anyone have an opinion on feeding bees sugar solution or high fructose corn syrup. If given the choice, which one would you use? Article 26822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!HSNX.atgi.net!newsxfer.interpacket.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39b867cb$1@clear.net.nz> Subject: Re: Pure NZ Propolis FS Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 18:19:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.67.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net 968523546 63.20.67.192 (Sat, 09 Sep 2000 11:19:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 11:19:06 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26822 hi! 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About your future: I provided service: divination Fortune/Stock Exchange/Contract Signing/Partnership/Official/Sport Race/ Lawsuit / Weather/ Calamity and more..... http://iching.126.com Regards, lei Article 26824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Datura Message-ID: References: <39ad1144@thunder.sound.net> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 15 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:52:12 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:47:01 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26824 In article <39ad1144@thunder.sound.net>, skirby@sound.net says... > Hi All, > I have noticed some of my bees gathering nectar from Jimson weed (Datura). > Is this something to be concerned with? > Thanks, > Steven > > > I have not yet seen any of my bees working my jimson weed plants. I have decided to not eradicate those plants as I like those long white trumpet- shaped flowers. In my opinion, if the bees did get nectar from those, the nectar would be so transmogrified after they were done with it that it would not be harmful. Moreover, I don't think it is the nectar of that plant which is psychoactive, but what do I know? Article 26825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!212.54.64.131!news100.image.dk!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Spelling errors Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:21:37 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8pg1o2$cf5$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip20.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 968591938 12773 195.249.242.20 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26825 I have noticed that some files where not available on the web. In fact they are but the upload changed the names. Correct urls are : http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata_palm3.zip for the handheld software http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update4.exe for the last public update you will get. and http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95inst.exe for the full archive. including three update. Updates coming ( and you can be sure of that they will) will only be made available to registered users. best regards Jorn Johanesson -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 10 Sep 2000 13:48:06 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000910094806.24074.00000588@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26826 >Anyone have an opinion on feeding bees sugar solution or high fructose corn >syrup. If given the choice, which one would you use? It really depends on what you want to get accomplished. High fructose corn syrup contains more energy which stimulates the bees to produce more brood (20% H2O solution) as where sucrose will not produce as much of a reaction. The question is do you want brood and how much..Straight sugar will provide feed, but have almost no effect on brood. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Robert Talk" From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000910094806.24074.00000588@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:13:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 968595219 24.27.124.132 (Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:13:39 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:13:39 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26827 Is high fructose corn syrup mixed the same way (the same volumetric ratio) as sugar water? I need brood production now and have been feeding a 1:1 sugar/water solution which they seem to be ignoring? Thanks, Robert "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20000910094806.24074.00000588@ng-fh1.news.cs.com... > >Anyone have an opinion on feeding bees sugar solution or high fructose corn > >syrup. If given the choice, which one would you use? > > It really depends on what you want to get accomplished. High fructose corn > syrup contains more energy which stimulates the bees to produce more brood (20% > H2O solution) as where sucrose will not produce as much of a reaction. The > question is do you want brood and how much..Straight sugar will provide feed, > but have almost no effect on brood. > > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela & Keith Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much honey? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:49:26 -0400 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8pgaco$fc6$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: yLGXKWDGQwgiyhL/n/4FQMUKfNfTd5m/Y4RDrA2IBh8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2000 15:46:32 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26828 During a strong honey flow, how much honey can the average colony store in one week, assuming drawn comb? How much if they must first draw the foundation? I realize there a million variables, I'm just looking for an approximate range. Keith Article 26829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-09!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning double strainer? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:35:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: <39BCD191.9EE02F94@kingston.net> References: <39bc2501$0$14572@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26829 After every 1 -2 supers I just turn mine upside down and run hot tap water through it. Same with the coarse. I can't explain why you would be different. Kent Article 26830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8pg1o2$cf5$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Spelling errors Lines: 22 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:17:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.141 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 968609830 12.72.51.141 (Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:17:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:17:10 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26830 Perhaps you should be communicating all these deficiencies directly to your registered users. I doubt that most on this NG give a rip, and at any rate all these recent posts don't give one any sort of comfort level in the reliability of your software. I think you are doing a disservice to yourself. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jorn Johanesson" wrote in message news:8pg1o2$cf5$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > > Updates coming ( and you can be sure of that they will) will only be made > available to registered users. > Article 26831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0502.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ARCHIVES where are they now Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:54:02 -0500 Lines: 13 Message-ID: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0502.nts-online.net (216.167.132.247) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 968698443 13781953 216.167.132.247 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26831 I tried: http://metalab.unc.edu/bees http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/beekeeping/sci.agriculture/beekeeping/ and all I get is a 'bad monkey' site and a 404 message. Where have the sci.agriculture.beekeeping archives moved now? C.K. Article 26832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and Tracheal Mite control Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:20:42 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 28 Message-ID: <39BD1469.7BC58695@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <1W2v5.359616$t91.4212882@news4.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26832 I have forwarded this to two scientists here, but they would be more likely to reply to a valid address. Mark wrote: > I plan to use Essential Oils for Varroa and Tracheal Mite control. Can > anyone tell me where I can purchase commercial quantities of oils such as > wintergreen, patchouli, tea tree, peppermint, etc...? > > Thanks > Mark -- ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!novia!207.207.0.27.MISMATCH!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa and Tracheal Mite Control Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:46:20 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-AjaOwS811Z1v7Y8UyUrDNOOR5ZaFoVtvaLBpJkiRoWL2TgkxwKZ443C/oVVR+yjDZQoOkOpN8uSAaHY!qsHOnm/12wGll1QydUQnZpA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:42:19 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26833 I plan to use Essential Oils for Varroa and Tracheal Mite control. Can anyone tell me where I can purchase commercial quantities of oils such as wintergreen, patchouli, tea tree, peppermint, etc...? Thanks Article 26834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wooden Honey Servers (Drippers) Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <5Vav5.5404$QQ2.169339@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:04:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.67.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 968702657 63.20.67.136 (Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:04:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:04:17 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26834 Hello You Sweet Things! (bee lingo) I am looking and searching and coming up with Nothing! Do any of you have a supplier for Wooden Honey Server Spoons? If so - would you be kind enough to share the information with me? They used to be available at the Dollar Store, but they have been discontinued for some reason. I've done several searches on the web, but can only find "sterling silver" .....(cough cough) the price is exhorbitant! Please reply to: lucychic@earthlink.net Thank you. Lucy -- September is National Honey Month! So Be Sure To Order on line at www.ohiohoney.com (\ {((O8< (/ www.linklady.com Article 26835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail From: "Lazy Acres Farm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need advice quick! Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:03:06 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.171.24.81 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 968702049 209.171.24.81 (Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:54:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:54:09 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26835 Hello, my husband and I have 20 hives. Sitting and flying about on top of only one of the boxes are these ant-like creatures with wings. They are sitting on the top of the one hive by the hundreds. We haven't seen these before. Has anyone an idea of what they could be, and how to get rid of them? We live in eastern Ontario, Canada. Thank you. Marny and Ed Big Bee Honey lazyacres@webhart.net Article 26836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Finally I got to it! Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:13:29 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 48 Message-ID: <8pjank$d83$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip74.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 968699444 13571 195.249.242.74 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26836 before I close the public edition of bidata I want you to let it have another try! http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata2.zip about 700kb only containing the exefile! I think I got into all corners now! all functions and creation of missing databases is fixed! what works! deleting of queens! Includes moving queens to an existing hive or a new hive! adding a new queen to a hive! moving a hive to a new Bee yard! deleting a hive! moving a Bee yard into an existing yard or to a new spot! editing of old queens! Place the cursor in lower grid on the queen to edit! editing of existing queen point the cursor on the existing queen in lower grid! reediting of hive notes! search in database works! converting to new database format works when another database is selected. It was really hard to get this far. even the professional programmer was able to error the software :( I hope you will help me and repport further errors to me!! best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 home page = http://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kateridvm@aol.comnospam (Kateri) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do bees fly in the rain? Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Sep 2000 20:36:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000910163646.22300.00000624@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26837 I know this may seem like a ridiculous question, but some family members and I were wondering about this. Do they have to keep drinking nectar all the time or do they stay in their hive and wait for the rain to pass? Any answers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, CR Article 26838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8ph2st$r2u$1@paxfeed.eni.net> Subject: Re: Extracting honey? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0Wav5.5414$QQ2.166707@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:05:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.67.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 968702716 63.20.67.136 (Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:05:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:05:16 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26838 Dear Leo. Yes, it is always a mess!I have some pictures of the uncapping process if you are interested, please write me at lucychic@earthlink.net and i'll be happy to show you my mess! ;-) Lucy -- September is National Honey Month! So Be Sure To Order on line at www.ohiohoney.com (\ {((O8< (/ www.linklady.com "Leo Capella" wrote in message news:8ph2st$r2u$1@paxfeed.eni.net... This is my first year extracting, is it always a mess? Is there someplace on the web with step by step instructions? HELP. Leo Article 26839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0502.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can yellow jackets take over a week colony? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:47:06 -0500 Lines: 129 Message-ID: <8idqrs05piibv685ttmr9lf1qsslcpn46t@4ax.com> References: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0502.nts-online.net (216.167.132.247) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 968701627 13639376 216.167.132.247 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26839 Chris, when you ask: >Any help would be greatly appreciated. You probably have a standard hive with a standard bottom opening. This is way too big for a small colony. If a healthy beehive had been nearby the small hive would have been quickly wiped out. Here's a good solution: plug up your bottom entrance completely, and drill a 3/8 inch hole just under the handhold more or less in the middle of your brood box. This will allow only one bee to come and go, and the jackets can be easily fought off. When they see they can't get in, the struggle will be over. After you close up the bottom entrance, don't forget to increase ventilation at the top of the hive. I use a (wooden framed) screen with 4 screws in it to create about 1/2 inch of clearance between the top of the hive, and the framed screen. (sometimes known as the 'inner cover') I leave this type of inner cover on the hive summer and winter. You can learn to tell a lot about your hive from just taking off the top and looking in through the screen, you get a complete view through the top and you don't need to suit up to have a look, the bees won't mind. In a hot climate or cold Dr. Farrar* proved it is healthier to have a well ventilated hive than a well insulated one. After the fighting has stopped check late in the day to make sure the queen has not been killed. If you have more than one hive, it is good to select a couple pints of 'volunteers' from a strong hive and join them up with the small hive using the 'newspaper' method. That method is in most of the old books. But it is where you place a sheet of newspaper between two boxes of bees and let them chew themselves together. This will prevent a lot of fighting from being thrown together too soon. If the queen is 'missing' and there are no recent eggs (eggs standing up in the bottom of the cell) to be found, either buy a new queen, or put in a frame of brood and eggs from another hive of your favorite 'breeder' queen. (that is if it was mid summer) With the reduced entrance and the extra bees they would raise a new queen and be fine. But, since you mentioned 'Labour day' I assume it's not mid summer where you are, This means unless maybe you're in South Florida or South Texas, you're out of time. It is for problems like this you should have more than one hive of bees. With a strung out hive as you've described, it should really be joined up with a strong hive and started over in the Spring. If you wish to keep the queen (assuming she survived the yellow jacket war) you can increase their chances of survival by using a 'Double Screen' to separate them from the stronger hive below and allowing the small hive a separate entrance. >the entrances should be at least a foot apart and look different from each other or >one entrance should be turned 90 degrees from the other The weaker hive will receive a lot of warm moist air from the stronger hive below the double screen. >The double screen prevents the two colonies from 'touching' each other The next Spring an interesting option presents itself: You will have a TWO queen hive that can then be united into one by removing the double screen. Sometimes these hives produce a lot of honey. If you don't have another bee hive, and you're determined, buy them a new queen and get her established, and be prepared to baby them along throughout the winter; meaning, bring them into a garage during freezing weather; If storing bees inside for the winter, it is good to keep them around 40F and in the dark, as much as you can. You still need to put them back on their regular spot on warmish days for cleansing flights and boosting morale, but when it turns cold, bring them back in. >I know you're thinking about your beer and watermelon fridge in the garage, but > forgetaboutit, there's not enough air frequent checking for adequate stores >every 2 weeks or close, but only when the bees are outside and flying on warm days and by pouring light syrup >3 lbs. sugar add water to make up 1 gal to which is added, 5cc. of 2% thymol solution to > retard fermentation directly into empty cells (not on the bees) filling only one frame per visit. If they have no stored pollen, feed a pollen substitute outside the hive on warm days, when they're flying. >use right out of the bag, as a dry powder on a flat plate near the hive. >start with 2 tablespoons. If they clean that up quickly, give them 2 more etc. That's a lot of work for a handful of bees and a queen. Still I would do it, and have in the past. One last thing: Make sure the screen on your inner cover is Aluminum as the bees will shred fiberglass. The screen should be tight and allow a bee space above the top of the hive frames. In the season, most hives will deposit a lot of propolis on this screen. It is easy then to 'harvest' the propolis by removing the screen from its frame, putting it in the freezer and when frozen, 'wading' it up over a sheet of newspaper, where the propolis will fall neatly into well sized grains ready for tincturing. (mixing with ethanol) So you see you have the possibilities of: 1. a weak hive with no queen united with a strong hive (newspaper method) 2. a weak hive with a queen 'joined' with a strong hive (double screen) and to include the option of trying out a two queen hive next Spring. 3. a weak hive with a queen that you bring into a protected area during hard winter weather. (only one hive) 4. increased ventilation (always a plus) and a simple propolis collector all in one device. C.K. *Clayton L. Farrar, Ph.D. (was) Professor, Dept. of entomology, U of Wisconsin. Specialist in the study of colony behavior and its seasonal management. see especially: 'The overwintering of productive colonies' in the book, "The Hive and the Honey Bee." Article 26840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: need advice quick! Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0ycv5.6231$QQ2.177737@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:56:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.67.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 968709372 63.20.67.136 (Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:56:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:56:12 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26840 Wow! That's something all right! My husband says: Are they carpenter ants? If so, they may be after your wooden hives-possibly they could have a nest inside one or two of them. Possibly the hives that are infected by these "ants" could be weak, queenless, etc.? Please check. Can you send a photo of them? Autumn is the season for all predators to take command of the hives for annual robbing-securing their home for the winter - in any event, it is Bad News for our Bees! Good Luck Lucy (Charlie's Wife) September is National Honey Month! So Be Sure To Order on line at www.ohiohoney.com (\ {((O8< (/ www.linklady.com "Lazy Acres Farm" wrote in message news:BLav5.5208$Kp6.60597@cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca... > Hello, my husband and I have 20 hives. Sitting and flying about on top of > only one of the boxes are these ant-like creatures with wings. They are > sitting on the top of the one hive by the hundreds. We haven't seen these > before. Has anyone an idea of what they could be, and how to get rid of > them? We live in eastern Ontario, Canada. > Thank you. > Marny and Ed > Big Bee Honey > lazyacres@webhart.net > > > Article 26841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader2.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Spike Psarris" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning double strainer? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:20:41 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39bc2501$0$14572@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.105.232.12 X-Trace: reader2.news.uu.net 968631553 14572 63.105.232.12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26841 I have one of those strainer sets that most suppliers seem to carry. A flat coarse strainer, that sits in the bowl-shaped fine-mesh double strainer. But for the life of me, I can't figure out how to clean the fine-mesh strainer. It's all gummed up with wax, and I've tried scraping, pouring boiling water through it, baking it in the oven at 200 degrees (figuring the wax would melt and ooze out), and then today let it sit in a kettle full of boiling water. (I figured that the wax would melt and float on the surface, then I would let the water cool down before pulling the strainer out so it wouldn't get recoated with melted wax on the way out.) But still, gunked up. Even in boiling water it wouldn't melt out. Can anybody help? Article 26842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-01.qwest.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now Date: 11 Sep 2000 18:37:39 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26842 In article , Charlie Kroeger wrote: >I tried: > >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees > >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf > >http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/beekeeping/sci.agriculture/beekeeping/ > >and all I get is a 'bad monkey' site and a 404 message. > >Where have the sci.agriculture.beekeeping archives moved now? They are still exactly where they have always been. :) metalab.unc.edu is changing it's name to ibiblio.org and maybe you ran into some odd redirection problems? The site will accept either metalab.unc.edu or ibilio.org try http://ibilio.org/bees or http://metalab.unc.edu/bees (what's a 'bad monkey' site by the way?) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 26843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steven" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39ad1144@thunder.sound.net> Subject: Re: Datura Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:21:21 -0500 Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: tnt1-082198.kc.sound.net Message-ID: <39bc250e@thunder.sound.net> X-Trace: 10 Sep 2000 19:19:26 -0600, tnt1-082198.kc.sound.net Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!nntp1.savvis.net!thunder.sound.net!tnt1-082198.kc.sound.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26843 Thanks, just about every year around here one hears of some adventurous kids killed by Jimson Weed. I would hate to give someone some bad honey. A guy around here said that the bees could not regurgitate 'poisonous' honey as they have some kind of built in hive defense mechanism. I'm not sure about that, but I can't imagine Jimson Weed honey being very good tasting as the weeds smell so bad. But, who knows, maybe it's the next 'favorite honey'. Thanks, Steven "Peter Amschel" wrote in message news:MPG.142487e68d3e487e989797@news.pe.net... > In article <39ad1144@thunder.sound.net>, skirby@sound.net says... > > Hi All, > > I have noticed some of my bees gathering nectar from Jimson weed (Datura). > > Is this something to be concerned with? > > Thanks, > > Steven > > > > > > > I have not yet seen any of my bees working my jimson weed plants. I have > decided to not eradicate those plants as I like those long white trumpet- > shaped flowers. In my opinion, if the bees did get nectar from those, the > nectar would be so transmogrified after they were done with it that it > would not be harmful. Moreover, I don't think it is the nectar of that > plant which is psychoactive, but what do I know? Article 26844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Leo Capella" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting honey? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:42:08 -0700 Organization: Epoch Internet Inc. 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------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C01B3D.ADBD6740-- Article 26845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: msalay@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how much attention do bees need ? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:43:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8ph9s6$nio$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.23.49.182 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 11 00:43:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.23.49.182 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmsalay Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26845 I've got 11 acres (mostly open field) that we use for camping during the warm months (1-2 times a month) I've been thinking about trying my luck with beekeeping just for fun, but I have no idea how much attention they need. Will a once a month visit be enough to keep things running right ? Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now Date: 11 Sep 2000 18:41:54 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8pjn3i$9rs$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26846 In article <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: Ack. I'm following myself up.... sorry >try >http://ibilio.org/bees WRONG sorry. It's http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/ Back to regularly scheduled program already in progress... Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 26847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39BC3058.EB77F1B8@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning double strainer? References: <39bc2501$0$14572@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:10:43 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-y4SZqiPE7XW9yJLOnMYVXCKDtyJov+dLpzQ2ySt/b3+WbRcf+Sytx27dpYSs7lJJvralJUF5dJQYdgf!vCPdEiQZrclC7XLSTSsiLYU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:07:36 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26847 Spike Psarris wrote: > > I have one of those strainer sets that most suppliers seem to carry. A flat > coarse strainer, that sits in the bowl-shaped fine-mesh double strainer. > > But for the life of me, I can't figure out how to clean the fine-mesh > strainer. It's all gummed up with wax, and I've tried scraping, pouring > boiling water through it, baking it in the oven at 200 degrees (figuring the > wax would melt and ooze out), and then today let it sit in a kettle full of > boiling water. (I figured that the wax would melt and float on the surface, > then I would let the water cool down before pulling the strainer out so it > wouldn't get recoated with melted wax on the way out.) But still, gunked > up. Even in boiling water it wouldn't melt out. Yo Spike: If the wax won't come out in boiling water I can't help you. However, try pouring the water off before you take the strainer out of the pot, rather than pulling it out through the wax floating on top of the water. If it is anything like extracting the lanolin out of raw wool, you are merely reapplying the wax when you pull it back through the crud on top. Don't know if this will help you or not but it's worth a try... Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 26848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How can I tell how many hives a given area can support? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <4uWu5.357567$t91.4190461@news4.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:23:12 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-4miPAdWhOem3liBWcxBdxLVbh7fb66dff9s08roV9xez6ElZwXIJhPnsNU2LgKdzyJLFtAcS1r2WqcT!wxoqj0IW0wSH5YdtWheaR3JY X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:19:18 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26848 Hello, I have a small cotton farm in west Texas. There are about 50-75 acres if heavy mesquite and brush surrounded by miles and of cotton. How can I judge how many hives can be supported? I've also been considering getting out of the cotton business and planting something else. If I do plant something for the bees, what should that be and how much should I plant? Any ideas? Thanks Mark Article 26849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: B. thuringiensis - effect on bees? Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:24:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8pjt39$p2u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000906224818.15911.00000049@ng-fc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.238.208.116 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 12 00:24:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 157.238.208.116 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26849 In article <20000906224818.15911.00000049@ng-fc1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > >B. thuringiensis is very closely related to B. larvae. Has any work been > >done to check whether BT can produce a disease in honeybees similar to AFB? > > There's no evidence of it. > > A strain of Bt was used for several years right on honeycomb to prevent wax > worm damage. It was called Certan, and I understand it is still available in > some places. But in the US, the sales were not big enough for the manufacturer > to reregister. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions > presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. I've used BT in my hives before to deter wax moths, but to no avail. Not sure it was the Certan. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rim-less bottom board Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:19:28 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <39BD768F.68305BB9@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26850 The rim around a bottom board provides some extra clearance between the frame bottoms and the board. Has anybody used a bottom board without the rim? This would put the bottom of the frames very close to the bottom board. Will the bees try and glue them together? Article 26851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "ufster" Subject: uhoh moth prevention Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:34:24 -0400 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust43.tnt4.lynchburg.va.da.uu.net 63.14.96.43 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26851 i think i blew it. on possibly bad advice, ive used naphthalene mothballs with my extracted drawn comb frames - empty supers to prevent wax moths. i built a little screen frame, the balls in the frame on the bottom. the supers stacked on top - the balls never come in contact with wax or frames. how bad is it? what now? someone help. Article 26852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moth infestation Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:39:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8pjtvf$q3l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <5Tht5.122$Q47.125533@news.pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.238.208.116 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 12 00:39:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 157.238.208.116 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26852 In article <5Tht5.122$Q47.125533@news.pacbell.net>, "J Kimbro" wrote: > A few days ago, I popped the lid off of a hive for a routine check. Inside > was more moths and cocoons then bees!! Out of a double supered hive there > were only two frames, or so, of bees left. I salvaged the bees and put them > into a new apartment. We'll see if they make it. > > My question is,,,,what are some of the wax moth treatments out there? Are > they safe to use before extracting? Pros,,,,cons? > > Appreciate it,,,, Hi, I've used BT (bacillus thurengensis), tried removing the larvae/moths by hand, cleaned all the moth eggs out, keep the hive boxes pretty tight, etc. The only thing that worked for me was to use duragilt foundation, keep 10 frames per both, make sure your boxes don't have any gaps, except to use an Imrie shim or two per colony where the bees can guard the small opening. Also, when there are not many bees hanging out on the front porch bottom board, then put a reducer board in at night, so they won't need so many guard bees there. At this point in your infestation, I suggest you put as many frames with bees to make up 10 frames in each box. Make sure you have clean foundation for them to be on. In other words, no wax larvae, no wax moth eggs. No webs. Clean them as thoroughly as possible. Even if you have to put in mostly new foundation, it's better than having it destroyed by the moths. The quantity of bees to keep these pests down is key. Sometimes you can see them getting rid of them on the bottom board. Good luck. I know getting rid of these pests take a lot of time. Regards, southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39BD8560.C870574@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:22:40 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 968721579 208.13.202.1 (Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:19:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:19:39 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26853 I would use hfcs. It's already mixed. It's very thick (11.55 lbs/gallon). It's half the price of sucrose. The bees love it! CVSoderquist wrote: > Anyone have an opinion on feeding bees sugar solution or high fructose corn > syrup. If given the choice, which one would you use? Article 26854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need advice quick! Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:36:43 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <39BD88AB.BD2812CB@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26854 Hi Marny, Did you notice them yesterday, in the afternoon. I noticed the ants were coming out of the ground and taking to the air. It's interesting as different colonies around seem to do it at the same time. I don't know if they are queens or drones. Last year they seemed to stick close to our front door, then I noticed the colony was beside the steps. Maybe there is one close to your hives. I live in eastern ontario also. Incredible that this happened all over. I don't think it's any thing to worry about. It doesn't last very long. Kent Article 26855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how much attention do bees need ? Message-ID: References: <8ph9s6$nio$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 Lines: 10 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:06:11 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:02:05 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26855 In article <8ph9s6$nio$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, msalay@my-deja.com says... > I've got 11 acres (mostly open field) that we use for camping > during the warm months (1-2 times a month) I've been thinking > about trying my luck with beekeeping just for fun, but I have no idea > how much attention they need. Will a once a month visit be enough > to keep things running right ? > > Mike > Top Bar hives are low maintenance fun. Article 26856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39BD9C51.9CAE2BF5@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now References: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:00:33 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.50 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 968726722 208.235.28.50 (Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:45:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:45:22 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26856 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > In article , > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >I tried: > >and all I get is a 'bad monkey' site and a 404 message. > > (what's a 'bad monkey' site by the way?) > > Adam I was hoping someone would ask that. AL Article 26857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: uhoh moth prevention Lines: 38 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <14hv5.4442$M37.341934@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:05:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.48.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 968727933 12.72.48.208 (Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:05:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:05:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26857 I think you blew it. I am no chemist and have no experience with either naphtha or para in storing of comb. I store them wet. They both smell but I think the difference is that naphtha will chemically bind with the wax where the para does not, so after a thorough airing out the para goes away. It is interesting that you say you put the naphtha BELOW the supers. Para is put ABOVE so the fumes sink as they are heavier that air. Not sure that being below will save your comb. I now the little cans my mom used to put in her closets permeated the whole house. Based on what I know (which shouldn't give you a lot of confidence), I would start over with fresh foundation (plastic). Are you talking about a few supers of 100's? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "ufster" wrote in message news:et2D4EFHAHA.369@cpmsnbbsa07... > i think i blew it. > > on possibly bad advice, ive used naphthalene mothballs with my extracted > drawn comb frames - empty supers to prevent wax moths. i built a little > screen frame, the balls in the frame on the bottom. the supers stacked on > top - the balls never come in contact with wax or frames. > > how bad is it? what now? someone help. > > > > Article 26858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 02:58:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8pk659$3mo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000910094806.24074.00000588@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.201 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 12 02:58:58 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.201 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26858 > Is high fructose corn syrup mixed the same way (the same volumetric ratio) as sugar water? Goto http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ and search for HFCS. You'll get lots of info. allen ---- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm -- ---- See if your questions have been answered in over a decade of discussions. BEE-L archives & more: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee-l.htm Search sci.agriculture.beekeeping at http://www.deja.com/ or visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee to access both on the same page. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca!not-for-mail From: "Lazy Acres Farm" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: need advice quick! Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:50:04 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.171.24.44 X-Trace: cac1.rdr.news.psi.ca 968730071 209.171.24.44 (Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:41:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:41:11 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26859 Thanks everyone. They all just decided to take off and not enter the hive. Marny Article 26865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:36:55 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-v6fNoExjkaE4vCjrXUMlGejs9dh/HioP8ksDx1ygJgru8y00qsq6itFvXzUT2PqFyNyONJ1tAZs5jPu!5XG4P7gi6MfvWTUljxYbm+kx X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:32:59 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26865 Hello Everyone, I posted this a couple of day ago, but no replies. So, lets try again. I have a small cotton farm in west Texas. There are about 50-75 acres if heavy mesquite and brush surrounded by miles and of cotton. How can I judge how many hives can be supported? I've also been considering getting out of the cotton business and planting something else. If I do plant something for the bees, what should that be and how much should I plant? Any ideas? Thanks Mark Article 26866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 Lines: 22 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 02:20:23 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:16:16 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26866 Medicinal marijuana, opium poppies and cocoa plants, dude, what else would a farmer want to farm? In article , me@home.com says... > Hello Everyone, > > I posted this a couple of day ago, but no replies. So, lets try again. > > I have a small cotton farm in west Texas. There are about 50-75 acres if > heavy mesquite and brush surrounded by miles and of cotton. How can I judge > how many hives can be supported? I've also been considering getting out of > the cotton business and planting something else. If I do plant something > for the bees, what should that be and how much should I plant? Any ideas? > > Thanks > Mark > > > Article 26867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39BF5C44.C3A46B79@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose References: <39BD8560.C870574@together.net> <8plkot$lgm$0@63.68.70.59> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:51:49 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.253 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 968842126 208.13.202.253 (Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:48:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:48:46 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26867 Call the A.E. Staley co. in Decatur Ill. Ask them if it is available in your area. Or - I believe Dadant might sell it in drums, as may Mann Lake in Hackensack Minn. Tim Arheit wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:22:40 -0400, Michael Palmer > wrote: > > >I would use hfcs. It's already mixed. It's very thick (11.55 lbs/gallon). It's > >half the price of sucrose. The bees love it! > > > > Where can you get it in smaller quantities than a truckload? I've > seen adds, but they are geared for larger producers needing a half > truckload or more. With only 8 hives, I don't need near that much. > Currently I use sugar at 0.20/lb and some hives drink it up so fast I > swear the feeder is leaking.. others take much longer. > > -Tim > > >CVSoderquist wrote: > > > >> Anyone have an opinion on feeding bees sugar solution or high fructose corn > >> syrup. If given the choice, which one would you use? > > > > > > Article 26868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!212.54.64.131!news100.image.dk!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: software information Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:55:51 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 107 Message-ID: <8pnmil$ish$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip63.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 968842645 19345 195.249.242.63 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26868 What is Bidata? Bidata is a database build on the principles of a relational Database in the same way as e.g. the Microsoft Access Database and other the like. Its purpose is to store notes taken in the Beeyard, so that those notes can be used for searching and retrieving in useful ways later on. Some technical notes: Bidata is developed in Delphi and its databases are Paradox version 7. Capacity is 2 billion records in each database and each record is approximately 500 Kilobytes The Windows software is version 98-2. The development computer is a standard computer with 64 MB ram and a Pentium 300 Mhz processor and the testing machine is running Windows 95 with 24MB ram and a 100Mhz processor. About using the software! The software is multilingual and will try to adjust it interface to the language the computer is set up to use. Software interface language can be changed on the fly and the language driver in databases is changed accordingly. The language file can be edited in Notepad and a facility is built in to edit the language file from within Bidata using an English basic language file. The input of data is done in a form where the input fields are arranged logical in tabbed notebook style form. It allows me to add more fields if this ever will be necessary. The software can be run in either a normal hivenote mode or in a more sophisticated queen breeder mode. The queen will be numbered automatically if it is turned on creating a queen number were the most queen information is readable from the number. The queen number consists of the following elements: Beekeeper initials + race identification in form of a number + two digits of the year the queen is taken into use. Now follows a unique serial number then a slash followed by the hive number where the queen is introduced. This might produce a number like this example: JJoh100450-40 telling me that it is one of my queens of race Italian and introduced into hive number 40 in year 2000 and her serial number is 450. This way of numbering assures that there very unlikely will be a queen with the same numbering in another apiary, making it possible to make a distinct search of this queen and her daughters retrieving and comparing the data for this search. As an extra in queen breeder mode the breading line can be given in the form F00, F01 to F99 Wherever it is possible the data can be taken from a dropdown list. (Some places in software this though demands a little more work from me) To make it easy to compare queen quality the software is capable of creating an index on the queen. It also makes it possible to compare queens across the apiaries, what else will be not possible. The index is based of an average of the Beeyard that is set to 100 and the index determines if the queen is placed over or under this average. Well it is of course not a final decision to use this index but it gives a hint. The data used for calculating the index is honey crop, sickness, steadiness, grade of defense and swarming. You give those grades in a scale of 0 to five, where five is the best. The data can be viewed in different ways. They can be looked at in a graphical way, the data can be printed out (there are until now only a few possibilities for that, but if enough demands for more flexibility shows up I can include a user configurable print out facility. It though demands money because I have to buy this interface. To each hive there is connected a disease database here there can be kept track on diseases and their treatments. There have been developed a special Bidata for handheld computers, making it possible to skip paperwork in the Beeyard, because data can be transferred from handheld to PC just pressing a key on the handheld. Using a modem and a mobile phone can transfer the data wireless to the PC, making it possible to update data far from home. And if more employees are working in different bee yards it is possible to update data for each in this way. This will cut workload down in a very reasonable way and effectively give the employed more time for practical work. Handheld computers supported are: Palm Computing Platform-compatible handheld computers such as the 3Com Palm IIIT, 3Com Palm V+T and PalmPilotT connected organizers, Symbol Technologies ' SPT family of devices, the IBM WorkPad PC CompanionT, QUALCOMM's pdQ smartphone, and the Franklin DayPlannerT. Even that a software of this kind always will be a compromise I have done my best to make it as flexible as possible and I am willing to customize the software to your need against payment. Best regards Jorn Johanesson Get the software from: Http://apimo.dk in an expandable edition. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:33:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8pns7g$d5l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39BD8560.C870574@together.net> <8plkot$lgm$0@63.68.70.59> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 13 12:33:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.190 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26869 > >I would use hfcs. It's already mixed. It's very thick (11.55 lbs/gallon). It's half the price of sucrose. The bees love it! Sucrose comes pre-mixed too, usually at 67% sugar. > Where can you get it in smaller quantities than a truckload? I've > seen adds, but they are geared for larger producers needing a half > truckload or more. With only 8 hives, I don't need near that much. Approach a local commercial beekeeper if you can find one. That's likely the best source for supplies and advice. They buy in volume and many will pass on the goods at their cost -- or close to it -- if they like you and if you don't make yourself too big a nuisance. I have some feeding info at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/Syrup/feed.htm and there are some links at the bottom to other resources too. allen --- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package bees, winter loss, fondant, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping, splitting, raising queens, AFB, varroa, protein patties, moving bees, pollination experiences, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: foodwise@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Royal jelly and queen longevity Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:02:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8po1du$jem$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.233.105.110 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 12 00:44:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.233.105.110 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26870 I am writing an article on royal jelly and I am looking for scientific support for the longevity of the queen. The alternative medicine literature solely attributes the longevity of the queen to royal jelly. Other information refers to the sexual maturation, number of sperm, size of the cells, etc. Does anyone know of any scientific studies that attempt to ascertain the reason(s) for the queen's long lifespan as compared to workers or drones? I would be most appreciative of any information that has a scientific basis. Thanks. Mary C. Mulry Ph.D.. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39BD8560.C870574@together.net> <8plkot$lgm$0@63.68.70.59> <8pns7g$d5l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:37:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.160.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 968859430 209.30.160.46 (Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:37:10 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:37:10 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26871 I know this may have been answered before, but I couldn't find it. Are HFCS and the corn syrup my wife buys at the grocery store two different things? Is the grocery store's version bad for the bees? Robert Allen Dick wrote in message news:8pns7g$d5l$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > >I would use hfcs. It's already mixed. It's very thick (11.55 > lbs/gallon). It's half the price of sucrose. The bees love it! > > Sucrose comes pre-mixed too, usually at 67% sugar. > > > Where can you get it in smaller quantities than a truckload? I've > > seen adds, but they are geared for larger producers needing a half > > truckload or more. With only 8 hives, I don't need near that much. > > Approach a local commercial beekeeper if you can find one. That's > likely the best source for supplies and advice. They buy in volume and > many will pass on the goods at their cost -- or close to it -- if they > like you and if you don't make yourself too big a nuisance. > > I have some feeding info at > http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/Syrup/feed.htm > and there are some links at the bottom to other resources too. > > allen > --- > A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > Package bees, winter loss, fondant, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, > unwrapping, splitting, raising queens, AFB, varroa, protein patties, > moving bees, pollination experiences, daily mumblings and more... > Thousands served... > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1142.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:41:13 -0500 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3levrs48juns3l3gilv2a60ob1fihd9eup@4ax.com> References: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <39BD9C51.9CAE2BF5@midwest.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1142.nts-online.net (216.167.136.251) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 968866877 14217520 216.167.136.251 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26872 >I was hoping someone would ask that. Well, since you ask, when I went to: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/beekeeping/sci.agriculture/beekeeping/ I got a 404 message from the: www.badmonkey.org site.. Be adventurous and try it yourself. Maybe your family filter won't let you through, there is that word 'bad' of course, and everyone knows the significance of 'monkey.' C.K. Article 26873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39BFBEFF.4EC7DB4D@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:53:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26873 Mark wrote:. If I do plant something > for the bees, what should that be and how much should I plant? Any ideas? > > Thanks > Mark Everything I have read says it doesn't pay to plant bee forage unless you can make some other kind of money off it besides what you get from selling the honey. With this in mind I would think cotton is the way to go. Why are you looking to get out of it? I have about 90 acres of cotton adjacent to my bee yard and as far as I can tell the bees aren't touching it - they seem to prefer the fallow alfalfa. Are your bees foraging on your cotton? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 26874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning double strainer? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:43:13 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8poibm$ov6$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <39bc2501$0$14572@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw20.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 968871094 25574 62.188.8.14 (13 Sep 2000 18:51:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 2000 18:51:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26874 Hi Spike, I agree with the others that hot water poured through the wrong way usually works fine, but there are other suggestions if you are desperate. Wax dissolves in white spirit/turps/paintbrush cleaner and propolis dissolves in alcohol/methylated spirit. Both of these solvents are easily evaporated away completely so you should be able to get rid of the problem even if the hot water won't finish the stubborn bits. By the way, and don't tell the customs and excise people if you try this, you can easily redistil mucky meths by putting it in a bottle in a solar wax extractor, connected by a long pipe (sealed stopper both ends) to a second bottle somewhere under the solar ex. in the shade. The difference in temperature is enough to do a neat job with no hassle. Quite a useful way to concentrate up a propolis solution without losing the solvent, too. Of course, being a law abiding citizen, I am not advocating that you do this, but it works. Martin MK,UK. Spike Psarris wrote in message news:39bc2501$0$14572@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net... > I have one of those strainer sets that most suppliers seem to carry. A flat > coarse strainer, that sits in the bowl-shaped fine-mesh double strainer. > > But for the life of me, I can't figure out how to clean the fine-mesh > strainer. It's all gummed up with wax, and I've tried scraping, pouring > boiling water through it, baking it in the oven at 200 degrees (figuring the > wax would melt and ooze out), and then today let it sit in a kettle full of > boiling water. (I figured that the wax would melt and float on the surface, > then I would let the water cool down before pulling the strainer out so it > wouldn't get recoated with melted wax on the way out.) But still, gunked > up. Even in boiling water it wouldn't melt out. > > Can anybody help? > > Article 26875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees fly in the rain? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:47:22 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8poibn$ov6$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <20000910163646.22300.00000624@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw20.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 968871095 25574 62.188.8.14 (13 Sep 2000 18:51:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Sep 2000 18:51:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26875 My own bees can be watched as they pour out of the sky and back into the hive at the arrival of rain, and the ones inside stay there until it's over. It's interesting to imagine what it must be like flying when drops of water of roughly your own weight hit you from above at around 20mph. Does anyone have figures for how fast raindrops of different sizes are travelling when they hit the ground / a bee ? Martin MK UK. Kateri wrote in message news:20000910163646.22300.00000624@ng-cu1.aol.com... > I know this may seem like a ridiculous question, but some family members and I > were wondering about this. Do they have to keep drinking nectar all the time or > do they stay in their hive and wait for the rain to pass? > > Any answers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, > > CR Article 26876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1142.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:43:41 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <8pjn3i$9rs$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1142.nts-online.net (216.167.136.251) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 968867025 14217520 216.167.136.251 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26876 >I'm following myself up.... sorry http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/ OK, that one works, Cheers, C.K. Article 26877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1142.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How can I tell how many hives a given area can support? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:35:07 -0500 Lines: 92 Message-ID: <99fvrsc45bfe8ugru0u7c6qvo9lqsu78ta@4ax.com> References: <4uWu5.357567$t91.4190461@news4.giganews.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1142.nts-online.net (216.167.136.251) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 968873712 14571633 216.167.136.251 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26877 >I have a small cotton farm in west Texas. There are about 50-75 acres if >heavy mesquite and brush surrounded by miles and of cotton. Does this mean you've got 50-75 acres in cotton and are surrounded by thick mesquite and brush for miles and miles? If so, sounds like pretty good bee country to me, (are you north of Abilene but south of Spur?) and if you get 20 inches of rain a year and can also irrigate if need be, (and didn't spray your cotton when it was in bloom) I would say you could support HUNDREDS of hives. Cotton produces good honey too.. BUT... not as good as that mesquite and brush you've mentioned, which is the best honey there is. (IMO) There is one thing: Africanized bees will eventually be in your area if you're in the southwest from the Rio Grande, north to the LLano Estacato. All I can say to that is: EX HOC FORTE DULCIS VENIS (from courage comes sweetness) >I've also been considering getting out of >the cotton business and planting something else. Good. Cotton farming as you know is hard on the soil. Depending on how many years you've been doing this will kind of depend on the soil condition you've created. >If I do plant something >for the bees, what should that be and how much should I plant? Any ideas? You won't really need to plant anything for the bees with all the brusco around. To make your living, try food production for humans. Legumes will go a long way to improving the fertility of the soil, and bees really go for those legume blossoms, and that includes vetch and alfalfa, but bees don't really care for that alfalfa 'trigger' stamen that whacks them on the head when they visit the bloom, (bumblebees don't care, however) Personally I prefer the 'King' of foods, that is, BEANS i.e. Pinto Beans...if you have irrigation and a good sandy loam, pinto beans are good, but if you can grow "Organic" SOYA BEANS, (probably too dry in West Texas..but you never know) There are Japanese businessmen that are up to their necks in money and want to find people who will grow the type of beans they want. In short if you could grow such beans, you would be able to vacation where the swells go and send your daughter to Vasser. If your soil is heavy, you might try growing a variety of organic potatoes in late winter (end of February) and vegetables in the summer, with lots of mixed crops that do good where you are. Companion planting, of flowers (cut flowers are expensive) and herbs many of which attract bees, like Thai Basil, (my favorite, a very superior basil plant and very tough in dry weather. Get yourself certified as an 'organic' farmer, (it's easy in Texas, where you certify yourself. Just get the forms and fill them in, the 'honor' system..few if no inspectors you see..George Bush land) sell your crop locally at a farmer's market, or to big city concerns like 'Whole Foods.' There are smaller farms than yours producing food for humans and making money selling to these types of places. Just contact them, and ask them what they need? Try H.E.B. nobody can touch them in Central and South Texas, when it comes to Texas farming connections. Consequently, they don't get most of their stuff from Mexico like United, or California, like Albertsons. Sell your large tractor and cotton handling gear and get a small tractor with those nifty attachments (Kobota) for close in planting and cultivating; this will allow you to increase plant density, and save labor. There must be a cow, pig, (feedlot) or chicken, (battery) or even a largish stable near you; they seem to be everywhere. They are usually glad to have you haul away the shit. In most places they pile this stuff up and by the time you get there (in the winter) it's mostly composted already. There's a dairy near me (Canyon, TX) that produces tons of the stuff yearly, and nobody wants it (but me) Plus, think of it..you won't have to carry on those dumb farming 'traditions' anymore, like growing food for cows in feed lots, using artificial fertilizers, or going to the banker every year for that 'loan.' (don't worry he won't loan you money on an 'organic farm' anyway.) It will be harder work than pickup farming but you'll be better off in time, and your family too. (remember farm kids have a higher rate of leukemia than other kids) You'll stay trim and fit and provide yourself and them with wholesome food, and sell enough to make a living and from the description of your place, a lot of HONEY too. By being an organic farmer, with pigs, chickens, and goats, (avoid cows in my opinion, maybe a pet longhorn or two.) you will be in a powerful position of being one of a very few who can be truly self sufficient in wholesome food and clean water which is wealth beyond money. C.K. Article 26878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rim-less bottom board Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:33:28 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <39BFC877.FE92F113@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26878 "m12345" wrote in message >Paul Petty wrote in message >news:39BD768F.68305BB9@ims.com... >> The rim around a bottom board provides some extra clearance between the >> frame bottoms and the board. Has anybody used a bottom board without >> the rim? This would put the bottom of the frames very close to the >> bottom board. Will the bees try and glue them together? > >no, paul, but the bees will have no clearance for the hive entrance...... or >am i not reading your explanation correctly??? > >cheers, mark That would be correct for the entrance created by the rim (being open at the front). I was thinking instead to route out a small section at the front of the bottom board and this would provide the entrance. What I'm planning on building is a screen bottom board, and it would simplify things a bit if I don't need the rim around it. Also with a screen bottom, I shouldn't need a very large entrance because there will be plenty of alternate ventilation. The entrance only needs to accommodate the coming and going of the bees. Paul Article 26879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1142.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:49:05 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <15mvrss6kf3dk4qlh609e9r19benodsrsf@4ax.com> References: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1142.nts-online.net (216.167.136.251) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 968874548 14224407 216.167.136.251 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26879 Adam, you better check it out. I can go to: http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/ and I get the page for the archives but when I click on "Browse the complete archive" the URL is: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping but I'm sent to: www.badmonkey.org and a 404 warning. Also the search box doesn't turn up anything if one searches using the word 'bumblebees' You know that can't be right. C.K. Article 26880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39BFEA16.6B52@wp.bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant selling 4.9 foundation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:56:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 968878832 147.226.103.42 (Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:00:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:00:32 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26880 Barry Birkey wrote: > > Greetings - > > I just got the word from Dadant that a decision was made this afternoon to > start producing and selling 4.9mm foundation. They are now accepting orders > and you can expect a 4-6 week delivery time for initial start up. Once the > line is rolling you can expect normal turnover times. > > They are offering it in 8-1/2" size (deep) but I understand they will > consider custom sizes. They will accept wax for foundation (working rates) > and also manufacture ones own wax into foundation. (minimum may be required) > The foundation will be "Medium Brood Style", wax, no plastic. > > They will accept orders by phone, email, signed fax or snail mail. I trust > plenty of people will start working with this foundation. It will be great > to see now how this works in many different areas. > > Glad to pass this on and I want to thank Dadant. > > -Barry > > DADANT & SONS, INC. (main office) > 51 South 2nd St. > Hamilton, IL 62341-1399 > Ph: 217-847-3324 > Toll Free Order: 1-800-637-7468 (7am-4pm CT) > Fax: 217-847-3660 (24 Hr.) > Email: Dadant@dadant.com > > Jerry Hayes - Contact regarding foundation > email: class@dadant.com I have heard something about the 4.9 foundation allowing the honeybees to resist the varroa mites and wondered if having 4.9 foundation is very effective with the mite control? Are there universities that are endorsing this size of foundation for use in combating the varroa mite? Article 26881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39BFF89D.F9E29A5C@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now References: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <39BD9C51.9CAE2BF5@midwest.net> <3levrs48juns3l3gilv2a60ob1fihd9eup@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:58:53 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 968882219 209.248.4.134 (Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:56:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:56:59 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26881 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > >I was hoping someone would ask that. > > Well, since you ask, when I went to: > > http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/beekeeping/sci.agriculture/beekeeping/ > > I got a 404 message from the: > > www.badmonkey.org > > Well Charlie, Short of actually keying the URL and hitting the enter key, I have not experienced the results you described. All I can suggest is, if'n ya got a bad monkey, spank 'im :) AL Article 26882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39BFF914.B8B2251A@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant selling 4.9 foundation References: <39BFEA16.6B52@wp.bsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:00:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 968882337 209.248.4.134 (Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:58:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:58:57 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26882 > Barry Birkey wrote: > > > > Greetings - > > > > I just got the word from Dadant that a decision was made this afternoon to > > start producing and selling 4.9mm foundation. They are now accepting orders > > and you can expect a 4-6 week delivery time for initial start up. Once the > > line is rolling you can expect normal turnover times. > > > > They are offering it in 8-1/2" size (deep) but I understand they will > > consider custom sizes. They will accept wax for foundation (working rates) > > and also manufacture ones own wax into foundation. (minimum may be required) > > The foundation will be "Medium Brood Style", wax, no plastic. > > > > They will accept orders by phone, email, signed fax or snail mail. I trust > > plenty of people will start working with this foundation. It will be great > > to see now how this works in many different areas. > > > > Glad to pass this on and I want to thank Dadant. > > > > -Barry > > Dale Scheidler wrote: > I have heard something about the 4.9 foundation allowing the honeybees > to resist the varroa mites and wondered if having 4.9 foundation is very > effective with the mite control? Are there universities that are > endorsing this size of foundation for use in combating the varroa mite? Uh oh, here we go again. AL Article 26883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.tele.dk!212.43.194.69!fr.clara.net!proxad.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "jlongy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebee economics Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:31:07 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8pllud$b6f$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <8pb0ep$bor$1@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: "jlongy" NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-108.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 968776461 11471 193.251.26.108 (12 Sep 2000 16:34:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Sep 2000 16:34:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26883 No longer available since 1990 in harvard press. I'm looking now for a copy of this book. Thanks for help. JFL Charlie Kroeger a écrit dans le message : gccirsgq5km3gpnrf7i2165n9outqqn1rt@4ax.com... > Jean-François ask again: > > >Few month ago i posted a message to find the book : bumblebee economics. I > >keep on searching this book. > > Hi, Jean I have that book and very fine it is. Go to: > > http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/HEIBUX.html > > you can buy the book from the Harvard press securely online for 20 USD. > > au revoir, > > C.K. Article 26884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rim-less bottom board Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:00:30 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8plv19$c0c$1@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <39BD768F.68305BB9@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p101-tnt8.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26884 Paul Petty wrote in message news:39BD768F.68305BB9@ims.com... > The rim around a bottom board provides some extra clearance between the > frame bottoms and the board. Has anybody used a bottom board without > the rim? This would put the bottom of the frames very close to the > bottom board. Will the bees try and glue them together? no, paul, but the bees will have no clearance for the hive entrance...... or am i not reading your explanation correctly??? cheers, mark Article 26885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose Date: 12 Sep 2000 16:14:21 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8plkot$lgm$0@63.68.70.59> References: <39BD8560.C870574@together.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.70.59 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26885 On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:22:40 -0400, Michael Palmer wrote: >I would use hfcs. It's already mixed. It's very thick (11.55 lbs/gallon). It's >half the price of sucrose. The bees love it! > Where can you get it in smaller quantities than a truckload? I've seen adds, but they are geared for larger producers needing a half truckload or more. With only 8 hives, I don't need near that much. Currently I use sugar at 0.20/lb and some hives drink it up so fast I swear the feeder is leaking.. others take much longer. -Tim >CVSoderquist wrote: > >> Anyone have an opinion on feeding bees sugar solution or high fructose corn >> syrup. If given the choice, which one would you use? > > > Article 26886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!celynnen.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Dick Thompson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can yellow jackets take over a week colony? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:08:13 +0100 Message-ID: <968883056.25363.0.nnrp-03.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> References: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: celynnen.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: celynnen.demon.co.uk:212.228.187.57 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 968883056 nnrp-03:25363 NO-IDENT celynnen.demon.co.uk:212.228.187.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 46 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26886 "Chris Bjelica" wrote in message news:_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net... > > I have a small colony that I started from a swarm I caught > about 6 weeks ago. I checked on them Labor Day and > they didn't seem to be doing much but I found some larva > so I thought they might be OK. Today I noticed a lot of activity > outside of the hive so I thought that a bunch of brood may have > hatched. When I took a closer look, I found bees and wasps in > battle. It looked like the bees were out-numbered. I got my bee > suit and opened up the outer cover and quite a few yellow jackets > came at me. > > Although I didn't get any further into the hive, it really looks more > like a yellow jacket hive from the outside now. > > Has anyone ever experienced this before??? > Is there anything I can do? My first thought is to dismantle the hive > and write this one off. It was a small swarm and I wasn't to confident > that they'd build up enough for the (Ohio) winter. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Over here in Wales it has been a terrible year for wasps. I've accidentally disturbed three nests while cutting back undergrowth, and got stung each time. Normally I don't come across more than one nest every three or four years. I harvested honey from my one remaining bee colony about two weeks ago. I left them with 2 supers full of honey, and although I didn't inspect the brood chamber, they appeared to be quite healthy and behaving normally. I did however notice that there were a lot of wasps around. A couple of days ago, I went to check them and found that the hive was teeming with wasps. There were still some bees, but they didn't seem to be making any effort to repel the invaders. There were also lots of dead bees below the hive. When I looked inside I found there was still some capped brood, but definitely no queen, no eggs and very few bees. And about 90% of the honey had been stripped from the combs. I haven't had a chance to speak to any Bristish beekeepers about it, but either the queen has died for some unknown reason, or possibly they have been overcome by the vast number of wasps. Article 26888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!awabi.library.ucla.edu!204.121.3.5!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant selling 4.9 foundation Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:18:02 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 27 Message-ID: <39C0193A.DDA50D68@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <39BFEA16.6B52@wp.bsu.edu> <39BFF914.B8B2251A@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26888 AL wrote: > > Barry Birkey wrote: > > > > > > Greetings - > > > > > > I just got the word from Dadant that a decision was made this afternoon to > > > start producing and selling 4.9mm foundation. They are now accepting orders > > > > > > Dale Scheidler wrote: > > I have heard something about the 4.9 foundation allowing the honeybees > > to resist the varroa mites and wondered if having 4.9 foundation is very > > effective with the mite control? Are there universities that are > > endorsing this size of foundation for use in combating the varroa mite? > > Uh oh, here we go again. > > AL This subject has consumed the Bee-List for the last several weeks (to several months ??). It would save a lot of bandwidth if any other interested parties would review the messages in their archives. The address for the searchable database is: http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/archives/bee-l.html Article 26889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning double strainer? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 2000 01:01:51 GMT References: <8poibm$ov6$1@lure.pipex.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000913210151.04554.00000851@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26889 Either Lye or Washing soda solutions will turn waxes into soaps which will scrub off strainers with a scrub brush pretty well. You need to put em in a big pot and heat em up or boil them if you can. Powered detergent that goes into automatic dishwashers works pretty good also. Tom Article 26890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newscon04-ext.news.prodigy.com.MISMATCH!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Stan Wyler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ID? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:19:50 -0400 Organization: Prodigy http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8pp8va$1o1i$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com> References: <39b090d2_2@news.cybertours.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a100-0078.nycm.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com 968894250 688673 63.253.91.78 (14 Sep 2000 01:17:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Sep 2000 01:17:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26890 I too am interested in what these things are as I had a nest of them in hickory tree. They were about 2 inches long and also came to the porch light. Stan Woiczechowsk Midnitebee wrote in message news:39b090d2_2@news.cybertours.com... > Greetings! > Question: > AT NIGHT WE HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE HUGE BEES FLYING AROUND OUT PORCH LIGHT. > IT IS A CENSOR LIGHT AND WHEN IT COMES ON AT NIGHT THESE HUGE "BEES" ARE > FLYING AROUND. THEY ARE THE SAME COLOR AS A REGULAR BEE OR YELLOW JACKET. > BUT THEY COME AROUND AT NIGHT WHEN THE CENSOR LIGHT IS ON. COULD YOU PLEASE > TELL ME WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT THEY ARE NEVER SEE THEM DURING THE DAY, JUST > WHEN THE LIGHT COMES ON > > any replies to the above comments would bee appreciated. > -- > Herb/Norma Bee > Holly-B Apiary > PO Box 26 > Wells,Maine 04090-0026 > "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" > The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet > http://www.mainebee.com > Stony Critters > http://www.stonycritters.com > > > Article 26891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.online.be!news-hub.siol.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:50:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8pplfb$iu0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39BD8560.C870574@together.net> <8plkot$lgm$0@63.68.70.59> <8pns7g$d5l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 14 04:50:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.187 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26891 > I know this may have been answered before, but I couldn't find it. > Are HFCS and the corn syrup my wife buys at the grocery store two different things? > > Is the grocery store's version bad for the bees? Yes, and yes. The grocery store stuff has various things added for flavour like molasses (which are the impurities taken from sugar). Stick to white table sugar or HFCS that is cerified pure and not off- spec. You may get away with other things in summer and not notice the ill effects, but when bees are confined, such as in winter, they need every advantage to survive. Check the BEE-L archives or search this group using HFCS or karo for keys. The links are at the top of http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ And speaking of that location, I have some neat pictures of taking an established swarm from a wall intact, and also pictures of my barrel filling system on the latest diary page. No descriptions yet, though, since I just took the photos and am uploading as I write this. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39C0AB5D.FD93EB69@one.net.au> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:41:33 +1000 From: vlado_k X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax moth - Help Please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.12.7.186 X-Trace: 14 Sep 2000 20:45:38 +1000, 61.12.7.186 Lines: 6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.edgix.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!pink.one.net.au!61.12.7.186 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26892 How do i get rid of wax month in an established colony? Vlado. Article 26893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant selling 4.9 foundation Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:14:25 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26893 john edwards wrote: This subject has consumed the Bee-List for the last several weeks (to several months ??). It would save a lot of bandwidth if any other interested parties would review the messages in their archives... for a good summation of the debate see a.wenner's message posted to the bee-l on sept.12,2000 at http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0009b&L=bee-l&F=&S=&P=8078 from which the introduction is as follows: "We have to understand first how many elements can be brought to bear on a controversy; once this is understood, the other problems will be easier to solve." Bruno Latour 1987 Article 26894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1111.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:24:30 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <39BD9C51.9CAE2BF5@midwest.net> <3levrs48juns3l3gilv2a60ob1fihd9eup@4ax.com> <39BFF89D.F9E29A5C@midwest.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1111.nts-online.net (216.167.136.220) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 968948671 14699777 216.167.136.220 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26894 > Short of actually keying the URL and hitting the enter key Wow, Al..you keyed in all that: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/beekeeping/sci.agriculture/beekeeping/ You've got a lot of patience Al.. Don't stop there, check out that badmonkey site, it's a triumph of understatement. C.K. Article 26895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1111.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can yellow jackets take over a week colony? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:38:23 -0500 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <75v1sscqcrr5lumah6v78fjpfbilrv4uvs@4ax.com> References: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> <968883056.25363.0.nnrp-03.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1111.nts-online.net (216.167.136.220) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 968949503 14237040 216.167.136.220 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26895 >Over here in Wales it has been a terrible year for wasps. That's interesting Dick because it has been the same type of year in North West Texas for wasp too. I must have had ten calls this summer from people thinking that wasp were bees because there were so many and they were making a nuisance. Hummmm...what do you suppose we would have in common with Wales? It doesn't rain here, or hasn't much this summer. We've had now more than two months with temperatures during the day in the mid nineties. Now it is the middle of September and these temperature ranges persist. In a week or so if this pattern continues we will start breaking records for high temperatures for this time of year. There has been lots of waspy interest in the hives and lots of attempts of robbing by the stronger hives of the weaker ones. Reap the whirlwind? C.K. Article 26896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <39BD9C51.9CAE2BF5@midwest.net> <3levrs48juns3l3gilv2a60ob1fihd9eup@4ax.com> <39BFF89D.F9E29A5C@midwest.net> Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <2E8w5.6855$SN6.204901@news4.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:18:38 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-YRXq3gTq+m09+glqKf+XWDsOflMamJFOZKcfayFchfD1OUQD0t2aE4btckEUbPlObsBUuJlSN+3xRxm!Y96C44oWULC3iwxlKw7AAJjuUg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:14:39 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26896 Try this one. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/sci.ag riculture.beekeeping/ Mark **************************************************************************** ***************** "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:ipu1ss41h2amb2383pjf8edi5pc2oji3bn@4ax.com... > > Short of actually keying the URL and hitting the enter key > > Wow, Al..you keyed in all that: > > http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/beekeeping/sci.agriculture/b eekeeping/ > > You've got a lot of patience Al.. > > Don't stop there, check out that badmonkey site, it's a triumph of > understatement. > > C.K. Article 26897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!news.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can yellow jackets take over a week colony? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:07:04 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8pr7f8$5k2$1@news.jump.net> References: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> <968883056.25363.0.nnrp-03.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> <75v1sscqcrr5lumah6v78fjpfbilrv4uvs@4ax.com> X-Trace: news.jump.net 968958249 5762 207.8.9.139 (14 Sep 2000 19:04:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26897 I'm in central Texas and notice the same...many wasps... I've been careful to reduce intrances at all the hives, and its a good thing because I continue to see would be robbers (including wasps) being repelled. It appears to me that reducing the entrances has saved the day and/or my colonies are strong and healthy. I can't tell that any robbers gain entry. Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:75v1sscqcrr5lumah6v78fjpfbilrv4uvs@4ax.com... > >Over here in Wales it has been a terrible year for wasps. > > That's interesting Dick because it has been the same type of year in North > West Texas for wasp too. I must have had ten calls this summer from people > thinking that wasp were bees because there were so many and they were making a > nuisance. > > Hummmm...what do you suppose we would have in common with Wales? It doesn't > rain here, or hasn't much this summer. We've had now more than two months > with temperatures during the day in the mid nineties. Now it is the middle of > September and these temperature ranges persist. In a week or so if this > pattern continues we will start breaking records for high temperatures for > this time of year. > > There has been lots of waspy interest in the hives and lots of attempts of > robbing by the stronger hives of the weaker ones. > > Reap the whirlwind? > > C.K. Article 26898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do you really wash all those bottles? Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:11:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 968958705 24.91.40.243 (Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:11:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:11:45 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26898 Hey, so I'm lazy... ;-) I have been washing all the bottles I get from the bee supply places before putting honey in them. It gets old :-) but I haven't wanted to put them in the dishwasher because (at least the plastic ones) would probably just fly around and not get cleaned. Am I being overly cautious about the cleanliness of the stuff from the supply place (like Betterbee, Dadant, etc.)? What do you folks who get 1000 pounds do? Thanks, -Steve Article 26899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kateridvm@aol.comnospam (Kateri) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees fly in the rain? Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Sep 2000 22:21:39 GMT References: <8poibn$ov6$2@lure.pipex.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000914182139.00556.00000001@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26899 Thanks Martin. We were all a little curious about this. Martin MK UK wrote: >My own bees can be watched as they pour out of the sky and back into the >hive at the arrival of rain, and the ones inside stay there until it's over. >It's interesting to imagine what it must be like flying when drops of water >of roughly your own weight hit you from above at around 20mph. Does anyone >have figures for how fast raindrops of different sizes are travelling when >they hit the ground / a bee ? >Martin MK UK. > > >Kateri wrote in message >news:20000910163646.22300.00000624@ng-cu1.aol.com... >> I know this may seem like a ridiculous question, but some family members >and I >> were wondering about this. Do they have to keep drinking nectar all the >time or >> do they stay in their hive and wait for the rain to pass? >> >> Any answers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, >> >> CR > > > > > Article 26900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moth - Help Please Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:25:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8prj7v$teg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39C0AB5D.FD93EB69@one.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.87 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 14 22:25:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.87 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26900 vlado_kwrote: > How do i get rid of wax month in an established colony? > Vlado. ************************************************ Howdy vk -- Your infested hive must be weak. I suggest that you take out each frame, shake off the bees, and use your hive tool to give the frame a sharp whack on the bottom bar or top bar. Several sharp blows in a row will make the feeding larvae crawl out so they can be shaken off and disposed of. The cocoons must be taken out with a pocket knife or the corner of your hive tool. Then appraise the strength of the colony and decide if it is strong enough to winter. If not, now is the time to combine with a stronger one. I have always used the 3/8" bottom board opening in order to help the bees keep out wax moths. I believe now that even that is usually more opening than the bees need -- if top ventilation is provided. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5Vav5.5404$QQ2.169339@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Wooden Honey Servers (Drippers) Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:06:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.21.54.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 968972773 63.21.54.178 (Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:06:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:06:13 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26901 I would like to thank everyone who responded with the information on the Honey Servers! You're all great! I have found a source for them and am very pleased to have met all of your! Lucy -- September is National Honey Month! So Be Sure To Order on line at www.ohiohoney.com (\ {((O8< (/ www.linklady.com "Lucy" wrote in message news:5Vav5.5404$QQ2.169339@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Hello You Sweet Things! > (bee lingo) > I am looking and searching and coming up with Nothing! > Do any of you have a supplier for Wooden Honey Server Spoons? > If so - would you be kind enough to share the information with me? > They used to be available at the Dollar Store, but they have been > discontinued for some reason. I've done several searches on the web, but > can only find "sterling silver" .....(cough cough) the price is exhorbitant! > Please reply to: lucychic@earthlink.net > Thank you. > Lucy > -- > September is National Honey Month! > So Be Sure To Order on line at > www.ohiohoney.com > (\ > {((O8< > (/ > www.linklady.com > > > Article 26902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.online.be!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39C177AE.AE62E1DC@tds.net> From: James Birt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nervous bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:12:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.83.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 968980352 208.170.83.147 (Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:12:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:12:32 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26902 SKOPJE (Reuters) - Macedonian honey producers said on Thursday that last year's NATO bombing campaign against Yugoslavia had made their bees nervous and aggressive and demanded compensation from the alliance. Mendi Trajkovski, secretary of the Nectar Association of 103 honey producers, told Reuters a claim of $222,300 in damages had been filed with a special NATO commission. He said documents and video footage had been filed along with the claim. Trajkovski said that overflights by NATO jets were ``a terrible stress'' for the bees who produced 70 percent less honey than usual as a result. ``They were also very nervous and extremely aggressive, biting not only owners but everything alive around,'' Trajkovski said. The NATO commission, contacted by telephone, said the complaint had been received and was being considered. Article 26903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Water Content Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <4Zfw5.17644$a5.246980@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:38:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.91.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 968985536 24.66.91.109 (Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:38:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:38:56 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26903 I just extracted my last bit of honey for the year. I've noticed that it's quite more watery then what I extracted earlier in the year. Is there any way to lower the moisture content when it's in 5 gallon pails? I would hate to sell honey that will ferment. Thanks, Greg Article 26904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:21:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 968987699 204.244.87.91 (Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:14:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:14:59 PDT Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26904 Honey from medicinal marijuana or opium poppies? how well would that sell as varietal honey? Article 26905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39BFC877.FE92F113@ims.com> Subject: Re: Rim-less bottom board Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <8rgw5.1647$Mg1.61572@brie.direct.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:17:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 968987460 204.244.87.91 (Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:11:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:11:00 PDT Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26905 I'm not sure what kind of hives you have but you should be careful because on my hives (Langstroth) the bee space is respected by a combined space of the top and bottom of adjoining hive bodies. Chances are, you might end up with brace combs. Normand Article 26906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39C1A7BF.D5C1743A@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:41:41 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-JANf8M8WTXawpEudS4W0dwLJeO/g9PPYXll/NQWWcX5+dVpSttipEcafpo4Z7G3xBveTIEQJmvHod5Z!P7P1JXJ0NuciTcZZaObRn/Gc X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:38:23 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26906 N Gravel wrote: > > Honey from medicinal marijuana or opium poppies? > how well would that sell as varietal honey? Yo N: I can't speak as to marijuana, medicinal or otherwise, but poppies produce primarily pollen - very little, if any, nectar... Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 26907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For the first time I am happy that Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:10:30 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8psebi$8c7$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip98.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 968998066 8583 195.249.242.98 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26907 Luckely my test computer broke! so I got a fresh HD, reinstalled win95 and bidata! c:\bidata\default\qlbr.db does not exsist and so on! Up again with compiler debugging finding the spot among a thousand of lines. Compiling! formatting the test computer on with win95 installing bidata running it, no errors this time, so here goes! http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata3.zip update of the exfile only. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gryb Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: genetically engineered food --- miscellanious www sites Reply-To: gryb Message-ID: <1fd4ssg3b23nqemt9ovd23v9f16mbdk5s7@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 124 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:45:24 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.169.71 X-Complaints-To: 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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_397000/397927.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_461000/461046.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_445000/445389.stm http://ohioline.ag.ohio-state.edu/gmo/ http://oxfam.org.uk/policy/papers/gmcrop.htm http://special.northernlight.com/gmfoods/ http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/biotech.htm http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/panos.htm http://xs2.greenpeace.org/~usa/reports/biodiversity/roundup/ _____________________________________________ Article 26909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8psebi$8c7$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Subject: Re: For the first time I am happy that Lines: 37 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:26:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 969035190 12.72.205.17 (Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:26:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:26:30 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26909 Plonk! -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jorn Johanesson" wrote in message news:8psebi$8c7$1@news.inet.tele.dk... > Luckely my test computer broke! so I got a fresh HD, reinstalled win95 and > bidata! > > c:\bidata\default\qlbr.db does not exsist > > and so on! > > Up again with compiler debugging finding the spot among a thousand of lines. > Compiling! > > formatting the test computer on with win95 installing bidata running it, no > errors this time, so here goes! > > http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata3.zip update of the exfile only. > > -- > EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 > http://apimo.dk (USA) > mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > Article 26910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Scarborough Beekeepers Assoc Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:20:13 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4215sskgqc8bjad6jb075hpgfld3i9b1mg@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.169.249 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 969049125 1NNUCNF1GA9F9C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26910 Does anybody have the address for the Scarborough Beekeepers (UK) address? E-mail if possible woulf be great. Thanks Steven Newport Article 26911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: For the first time I am happy that Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:34:43 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <39C295F3.FFE00C89@kingston.net> References: <8psebi$8c7$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26911 Plonk! You always had a way with words George :-) Kent Article 26912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wildflower Identification Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:03:02 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-f2dNBnr90ya+nm9YXE1M78eM1n2Aqw4tFlme6UsMMhxVStg6S92PB0XjKH716jKXaNOmotLtzoxPqTR!8bq03LUOLMis/Doe7IQF70Q= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:58:57 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26912 I live in west Texas and have a few wildflowers that I need to identify. Does anyone know of a web site that can help me do that? Thanks Mark Article 26913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.clara.net!fr.clara.net!news.mat.cc!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "jp turcaud" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: THE GREAT SYDNEY QUAKE Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:47:25 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 73 Message-ID: <8pu92b$15s$5@front5.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: nas27-175.wms.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 969058187 1212 213.44.56.175 (15 Sep 2000 22:49:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 2000 22:49:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26913 -- La Rochelle 7th of September 2000 Ladies & Gentlemen, My very strong letter to the Right Hon. John Howard Prime Minister of Australia demanding immmediate cancellation of the SOG_ Sydney Olympic Games _, appears now in line on my main Welleda site: http://www.poglio.com/welleda/ ( Doc XXI. then JUST TO KEEP IN TOUCH topic ) It is there now for all to see !!! I am not going to take any chance with this matter and latter being accused of not warning people of what I see ominously looming ahead ! Indeed I clearly anticipate 3 millions victims if the appropriate steps are not taken with regards to the MAJOR SYDNEY QUAKE _ 8 to 9.2 on Richter scale_ with epicenter some 50 km out at sea and consecutive 40m high Tsunami hitting the coast at the usual 200km/h spreading complete devastation up to 50 km inland. In my view this will be a re-enaction of the scenario which lead to the complete destruction of Lisbon and its inhabitants on the 1st Nov 1755. That Sydney Major Quake as I see it, will be centered on the Spring Equinox or last Equinox indeed of the Millenium and we will entering in the red zone ten days either side of it i.e. completely overlapping the time of the SOG... . In clear from the 11th of September up to the 1st of October included. As an Australian Mining Pioneer discoverer of three major mining deposits _ considering of course_ only those disclosed, and behind the opening of the Great Sandy Desert of Australia to mining, I am definitively sticking my neck out in this affair. I do it since, it is my firm intention to save a maximum of persons and to entice a maximum of population to leave Sydney and vicinity during the critical time. I am also enticing people NOT to come to Sydney during that period since by doing so, they would be surely on a non-return trip ! Now, I am fufilling my duty in informing all of what apparently I am alone to see coming with certainty. Now it's up to the ones who will read this to decide whoever they are going to trust : Sterile geologists or geophysicists who have never discovered anything in their lives nor have been ever able to anticipate any Earthquake; corrupt greedy Australian Politicians concerned only by return on investments and career; OR AN AUSTRALIAN MINING PIONEER WHO HAS ALWAYS DONE ITS UTMOST FOR THE COUNTRY. THIS IS YOUR OWN DECISION EACH OF YOU, BUT AGAIN BE SURE IT WILL ALSO MAKE FOR EACH OF YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Regards Jean-Paul Turcaud Hydro and Mining Prospector Pioneer of Australian Mining http://www.poglio.com/welleda/ The Greatest Australian Mining Covered Up Swindle Of The 20Th Century http://www.poglio.com/horus1st/ Refutation Of The Horrid Geological Myths Article 26914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!171.64.14.106!newsfeed.stanford.edu!uchinews!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wildflower Identification Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:58:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8pu9ht$3p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.115 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Sep 15 22:58:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.115 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26914 "Mark" wrote: > I live in west Texas and have a few wildflowers that I need to > identify. > Does anyone know of a web site that can help me do that? > > Thanks > Mark *********************************************************** Howdy Mark -- Contact the University of Texas Press - PO Box 7819 - Austin Texas 78712. They publish a 271 page book "Texas Wildflowers" complete with color photographs. A very good book. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are bees deaf? Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Sep 2000 00:33:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000915203342.24062.00001555@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26915 Have read they are--seems hard to believe, however..... Article 26916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are bees deaf? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 03:43:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8puq96$igl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000915203342.24062.00001555@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Sep 16 03:43:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26916 > lklarson wrote: > Have read they are--seems hard to believe, however..... ****************************************************** Howdy LK - Since noise or sound is nothing but sound waves in the environment, and since bees are very sensitive to vibration (from lawnmowers, weedeaters, etc) it is reasonable to assume that the vibrations (waves) they percieve could be classed as "hearing" The old wives tale about banging on a bucket, pan or plow to make a swarm settle soon seems to have some basis in fact. The vibrations create confusion. The swarm may or may not have settled anyway, but I really do believe that the vibrations of the noise does have some effect. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bidata now at the errror free run Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:54:21 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8pvjao$au2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip2.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969101464 11202 195.249.242.2 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26918 It showed up, that all my testing of the software was useless, because I tested on a computer where the data files were present. That means that I did not catch the error where one file was missing. This is now solved and you have two possibilities for updating to the working Bidata. It will though only be the alone standing exe file, and it can't be run without the full package. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update4.exe which is the exefile with installing interface or the Http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata3.zip which is the naked Bidata file that you have to extract and then move to the directory where the Bidata is installed to. Typical this will be c:\Program files\Apimo Biavl\Bidata win95-98\ Just overwrite the existing BidataWin95_98.exe and the software will perform as expected. I am very sorry for this confusion. But at least I now have a platform to work out from. Best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 home page = http://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do you really wash all those bottles? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 06:19:37 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <8pvkol$vtk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-91.nas2.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 969102933 32692 209.130.165.91 (16 Sep 2000 11:15:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 2000 11:15:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26919 I can't speak on how clean (i.e. Betterbee's) warehouse is but I've seen Dadant's in Sioux City--I have no complaints--they have a very clean warehouse. As far as worring over individual glass jar sanitation, I figure, if I open a never-been-opened-before-carton fresh from a supplier I do not need to waste time washing them! ( I am not a total neat freak, but hold very high standards for proper food handling and cleanliness) A friend of ours, works in a large glass factory and says the glass coming off the line (which are too hot to touch...coming from a firey furnace) are packaged as soon as they are cool enough to go in a carton, my guess, would be only minutes. Wouldn't that be sterilization enough??? I think you would be introducing more bacteria through excessive handling and washing...besides consider the product you are bottling! I ask our customers bring thier own containers when stopping out for honey and frankly, I cringe when I see some of the containers I put our honey into! My point - a honey producer has more important things to worry about than washing bottles. --Busybee Steve Huston wrote in message news:Rp9w5.74239$NH2.591479@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > Hey, so I'm lazy... ;-) > > I have been washing all the bottles I get from the bee supply places before > putting honey in them. It gets old :-) but I haven't wanted to put them in > the dishwasher because (at least the plastic ones) would probably just fly > around and not get cleaned. > > Am I being overly cautious about the cleanliness of the stuff from the > supply place (like Betterbee, Dadant, etc.)? > > What do you folks who get 1000 pounds do? > > Thanks, > > -Steve > > > Article 26920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 27 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Sep 2000 11:28:41 GMT References: <8pvjao$au2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Bidata now at the errror free run Message-ID: <20000916072841.01044.00001609@nso-fh.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26920 In article <8pvjao$au2$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, "Jorn Johanesson" writes: > >It showed up, that all my testing of the software was useless, because I >tested on a computer where the data files were present. That means that I >did not catch the error where one file was missing. > >This is now solved and you have two possibilities for updating to the >working Bidata. It will though only be the alone standing exe file, and it >can't be run without the full package. > >http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update4.exe which is the exefile >with installing interface or the > >Http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata3.zip which is the naked Bidata file that you >have to extract and then move to the directory where the Bidata is installed >to. Typical this will be c:\Program files\Apimo Biavl\Bidata win95-98\ Just >overwrite the existing BidataWin95_98.exe and the software will perform as >expected. > >I am very sorry for this confusion. But at least I now have a platform to >work out from. > Goodness. I personally think it would be much simpler to have a separate users newsline for this material. This is crossing to the edge of spam. Article 26921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000904023053.26857.00001727@ng-ci1.aol.com> <%wHs5.20862$r4.10863@news.indigo.ie> Subject: Re: Bee scale Lines: 18 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:46:01 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.232.171 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 969087095 159.134.232.171 (Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:51:35 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:51:35 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26921 You have your beehive on a stand, the scales are placed upside down so that you can read them, if you don't turn the scales upside down then the floor of the beehive prevents the scales being read. Ruary Rudd Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:sikarsghv281258solmv2cn3klq7lb2e1l@4ax.com... > >Ruary Rudd stated: > > >Take a bathroom scales,turn it upside down and place your beehive on top of > >it. > > How do they change light bulbs where you are Ruary? > > C.K. Article 26922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: updated link Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:05:40 -0400 Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.126 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.126 Message-ID: <39c3a7b3_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 16 Sep 2000 13:02:43 -0500, 64.208.65.126 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.126 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26922 Greetings! The below link has been updated. http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html -- Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 26923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bidata now at the errror free run Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:01:09 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8q0cb2$gmg$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8pvjao$au2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip52.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969127074 17104 195.249.242.52 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26923 To all that still are getting errors! Please e-mail me and I will be pleased to look into the problem and send a corrected exefile. Please state the eror to me. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk "Jorn Johanesson" Article 26924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bidata now at the errror free run Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:07:06 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8q0cm7$ha1$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8pvjao$au2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <20000916072841.01044.00001609@nso-fh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip52.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969127431 17729 195.249.242.52 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26924 "Bob Pursley" skrev i en meddelelse news:20000916072841.01044.00001609@nso-fh.aol.com... > In article <8pvjao$au2$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, "Jorn Johanesson" > writes: > > > > >It showed up, that all my testing of the software was useless, because I > >tested on a computer where the data files were present. That means that I > >did not catch the error where one file was missing. > > > >This is now solved and you have two possibilities for updating to the > >working Bidata. It will though only be the alone standing exe file, and it > >can't be run without the full package. > > > >http://apimo.dk/programs/bidatawin95_98_update4.exe which is the exefile > >with installing interface or the > > > >Http://apimo.dk/programs/bidata3.zip which is the naked Bidata file that you > >have to extract and then move to the directory where the Bidata is installed > >to. Typical this will be c:\Program files\Apimo Biavl\Bidata win95-98\ Just > >overwrite the existing BidataWin95_98.exe and the software will perform as > >expected. > > > >I am very sorry for this confusion. But at least I now have a platform to > >work out from. > > > > Goodness. I personally think it would be much simpler to have a separate users > newsline for this material. This is crossing to the edge of spam. I am sorry Bob but because I am doing this for the benefit of beekeeping, and this was very confusing for me I wanted to get sure, that all who have interest in this work would get a change to update. This will be my last message to the group concerning this. for the rest of my time I will focus on beekeeping. Sorry that this was close to offend you. I have no money for a seperate newsgroup, sorry. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Lucy" From: "Lucy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000915203342.24062.00001555@ng-fh1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Are bees deaf? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:11:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.20.67.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 969127913 63.20.67.18 (Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:11:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:11:53 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26925 Interesting question! Since I do not have the answer, I went out to my hives and asked them. Guess what? They totally ignored me! Those darn bees just continued doing their bee things - with no regard for me - oh sure, a couple of them waved hello when they saw me, but not one of them turned around to greet me! Conclusion? Yes, they Must indeed be deaf! Have a good Day!! Lucy "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000915203342.24062.00001555@ng-fh1.aol.com... > Have read they are--seems hard to believe, however..... > Article 26926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are bees deaf? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:19:49 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8q0de2$j0c$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <20000915203342.24062.00001555@ng-fh1.aol.com> <8puq96$igl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip52.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969128194 19468 195.249.242.52 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26926 "Pete" skrev i en meddelelse news:8puq96$igl$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > lklarson wrote: > > Have read they are--seems hard to believe, however..... > ****************************************************** > The old wives tale about banging on a bucket, pan or plow to make a In old times, and maybe to day, it is so that who follows a swarm and makes claim to it owns it, so the banging was a way to tell that this swarm had an owner. That bees settled down may relay to the usual fact that a first time swarm settle in the very close neighbourhood of the beeyard. At least so they do at my home. > I really do believe that the vibrations of the noise does have some > effect. I have had families close to a flight Place, and never had problems with that. They place was for Jets. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Calculating Area Needed per Hive Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:15:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8q0hm7$v0b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-12.georgia.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 969132551 31755 62.137.61.12 (16 Sep 2000 19:29:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 2000 19:29:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26927 You need to estimate the amount of forage available throughout the year, particularly spring pollen. An area that will support half a dozen colonies per acre in the height of the season may have difficulty supporting any at other times. "Mark" wrote in message news:bLBv5.2160$SN6.93911@news4.giganews.com... > Hello Everyone, > > I posted this a couple of day ago, but no replies. So, lets try again. > > I have a small cotton farm in west Texas. There are about 50-75 acres if > heavy mesquite and brush surrounded by miles and of cotton. How can I judge > how many hives can be supported? I've also been considering getting out of > the cotton business and planting something else. If I do plant something > for the bees, what should that be and how much should I plant? Any ideas? > > Thanks > Mark > > Article 26928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning double strainer? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:05:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8q0hll$v0b$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39bc2501$0$14572@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-12.georgia.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 969132533 31755 62.137.61.12 (16 Sep 2000 19:28:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 2000 19:28:53 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26928 I wouldn't start from here! Clean all equipment first with cold water to remove wax and propolis - then you can use hot. If you start with hot then you will melt them and coat your strainer - and propolis will be far worse than wax. "Spike Psarris" wrote in message news:39bc2501$0$14572@wodc7nh6.news.uu.net... > I have one of those strainer sets that most suppliers seem to carry. A flat > coarse strainer, that sits in the bowl-shaped fine-mesh double strainer. > > But for the life of me, I can't figure out how to clean the fine-mesh > strainer. It's all gummed up with wax, and I've tried scraping, pouring > boiling water through it, baking it in the oven at 200 degrees (figuring the > wax would melt and ooze out), and then today let it sit in a kettle full of > boiling water. (I figured that the wax would melt and float on the surface, > then I would let the water cool down before pulling the strainer out so it > wouldn't get recoated with melted wax on the way out.) But still, gunked > up. Even in boiling water it wouldn't melt out. > > Can anybody help? > > Article 26929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can yellow jackets take over a week colony? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:13:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8q0hlr$v0b$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> <968883056.25363.0.nnrp-03.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-12.georgia.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 969132539 31755 62.137.61.12 (16 Sep 2000 19:28:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 2000 19:28:59 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26929 "Dick Thompson" wrote in message news:968883056.25363.0.nnrp-03.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk... > Over here in Wales it has been a terrible year for wasps. > > I haven't had a chance to speak to any Bristish beekeepers about it, but ------------------------------ Same here in the Midlands - after a slow start they really have got going. I use wine bottles filled about one third full with thick sugar syrup to trap them (about one bottle to every five hives - I have to drink quite a lot of wine!). Stand the bottles very close to the hives - bees ignore them, but the wasps will end up almost filling the bottles; they still seem to stay in there even if they are on top of others and cannot therefore drown. Do wasps attract other wasps? I understand that mice caught in a trap that keeps them alive will attract more mice to it. Article 26930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sucrose vs fructose Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:58:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8q0hlc$v0b$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000910094806.24074.00000588@ng-fh1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-12.georgia.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 969132524 31755 62.137.61.12 (16 Sep 2000 19:28:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Sep 2000 19:28:44 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26930 Remember that bees need pollen to produce brood. "Robert Talk" wrote in message news:nGMu5.44538$K5.659932@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > Is high fructose corn syrup mixed the same way (the same volumetric ratio) > as sugar water? > > I need brood production now and have been feeding a 1:1 sugar/water solution > which they seem to be ignoring? > > Thanks, > Robert > > > "Robert Williamson" wrote in message > news:20000910094806.24074.00000588@ng-fh1.news.cs.com... > > >Anyone have an opinion on feeding bees sugar solution or high fructose > corn > > >syrup. If given the choice, which one would you use? > > > > It really depends on what you want to get accomplished. High fructose corn > > syrup contains more energy which stimulates the bees to produce more brood > (20% > > H2O solution) as where sucrose will not produce as much of a reaction. The > > question is do you want brood and how much..Straight sugar will provide > feed, > > but have almost no effect on brood. > > > > > > Robert Williamson > > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > > P.O. Box 176 > > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any > prince" > > Article 26931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-hub.siol.net!news1.hinet.hr!not-for-mail From: "Gordan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wood's Apidictor - swarm control Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:08:17 +0200 Organization: HiNet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8q0uj8$otp$1@as121.tel.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: as4-m68.tel.hr X-Trace: as121.tel.hr 969145769 25529 195.29.96.68 (16 Sep 2000 23:09:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@hinet.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:09:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26931 Hi, Do any of you try out Wood's Apidictor, or other apparatus for control of swarm? Would you be kind enough to tell me about them? Thanks, Gordan Article 26932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do you really wash all those bottles? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:33:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8q13hh$voj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8pvkol$vtk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.152 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 17 00:33:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.152 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26932 I'm also interested in what 'everybody else does' concerning the bottles. I get ours from better bee. we bottle around 700lbs. and although we don't use plastic I hot rinse every bottle in the dishwasher. Call me paranoid. It just seems like the thing to do. Even though the boxes are new, they still come with a bit of dust. be it cardboard or otherwise. We even do the bears. Anyone else? Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Overwintering 4 frame nucs. Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:40:06 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8q13t4$ci$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.152 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 17 00:40:06 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.152 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26933 I'll ask again since I don't see my original message any longer. Any advice on how to pack 4 frame nucs, double fours in a deep super, to prepare them for winter? Having messages disappear pisses me off.Does this happen to anyone else? (this disappearing part) -- Mike in VT Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Multiple eggs/cell Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:40:32 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 969154415 204.244.87.39 (Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:33:35 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:33:35 PDT Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26934 Here's one I haven't heard of : Today I found one of my hives with eggs all over the places, I saw at least 20 cells with a dozen eggs in each, eggs on top of pollen, 3 to 6 eggs per cell evenly distributed around, eggs close to the edge of the cell, EGGS EVERYWHERE !!!! Now that's one problem, but it has varroa mites and EFB witch I will start treating tomorrow Does anyone knows what caused that egg fury ? Normand Article 26935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.19!wnmasters2!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Lines: 28 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 03:31:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 969161504 12.72.205.114 (Sun, 17 Sep 2000 03:31:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 03:31:44 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26935 Laying worker(s). -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "N Gravel" wrote in message news:PbVw5.3106$Mg1.104177@brie.direct.ca... > Here's one I haven't heard of : > Today I found one of my hives with eggs all over the places, I saw at least > 20 cells with a dozen eggs in each, eggs on top of pollen, 3 to 6 eggs per > cell evenly distributed around, eggs close to the edge of the cell, EGGS > EVERYWHERE !!!! > > Now that's one problem, but it has varroa mites and EFB witch I will start > treating tomorrow > > Does anyone knows what caused that egg fury ? > Normand > > Article 26936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:02:15 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip85.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969173960 18109 195.249.242.85 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26936 "N Gravel" skrev i en meddelelse news:PbVw5.3106$Mg1.104177@brie.direct.ca... > Here's one I haven't heard of : > Today I found one of my hives with eggs all over the places, I saw at least This sound to me as your queen has gone and laying workers have taken over. If you are late in the season, and I assume so because you want to start varroa treatment, there is not much to do about it except for a radical solution. Move the hive with the laying workers to the middle of the beeyard, then take out each and every frame and shuttle the bees of on the ground. Remove the frames from the bee Yard and close the entrance tight. If you can't get the frames into use in other hives then take care of melting the wax and cleaning the Frames. best regards -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk. Article 26937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are bees deaf? Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Sep 2000 07:13:34 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000917031334.17834.00001602@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26937 You'd be a great stand up comic at one of the bee conventions! LOL! :) Article 26938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Message-ID: References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 Lines: 9 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 03:36:24 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:36:45 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26938 In article <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk says... > Move the hive with the laying workers to the middle of the beeyard, then > take out each and every frame and shuttle the bees of on the ground. Remove > the frames from the bee Yard and close the entrance tight. > Jorn Johannesson: What happens to the bees after they have been made hiveless in this manner? Are they adopted into other hives, or what? Thank you Article 26939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:44:11 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <39c4a018.295983425@news1.radix.net> References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26939 On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:02:15 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" wrote: >"N Gravel" skrev i en meddelelse >news:PbVw5.3106$Mg1.104177@brie.direct.ca... >> Here's one I haven't heard of : >> Today I found one of my hives with eggs all over the places, I saw at >least > >This sound to me as your queen has gone and laying workers have taken over. >If you are late in the season, and I assume so because you want to start >varroa treatment, there is not much to do about it except for a radical >solution. > >Move the hive with the laying workers to the middle of the beeyard, then >take out each and every frame and shuttle the bees of on the ground. Remove >the frames from the bee Yard and close the entrance tight. If you can't get >the frames into use in other hives then take care of melting the wax and >cleaning the Frames. > >best regards >-- > EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 > http://apimo.dk (USA) > mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk. > > I think puting the frames with EFB into other hives is a real good idea! beekeep Article 26940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:00:23 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8q2820$sj2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip121.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969188224 29282 195.249.242.121 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26940 -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk "Peter Amschel" skrev i en meddelelse news:MPG.142e1466f4ac7519897bb@news.pe.net... > In article <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > Jorn Johannesson: What happens to the bees after they have been made > hiveless in this manner? Are they adopted into other hives, or what? Yes they will and the laying workers will not find their way in because they are rejected by the other hives.. > Thank you Article 26941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:03:00 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8q286t$1nk$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c4a018.295983425@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip121.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969188381 1780 195.249.242.121 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26941 "beekeep" skrev i en meddelelse news:39c4a018.295983425@news1.radix.net... > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:02:15 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" > wrote: > > I think puting the frames with EFB into other hives is a real good > idea! It is not a good Idea at all to reuse combs with diseases, sorry I should have mentioned that. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk > > beekeep > Article 26942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!fr.clara.net!fr.clara.net!news.mat.cc!grolier!sn-east!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do you really wash all those bottles? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 06:55:27 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26942 We bottled 3000lbs last year and hot washed all of our glass jars. They come coated with a light film of oil that's needs to be removed. I doubt that I'd trust their cleanliness in the box, especially when selling to customers! chris www.greathoney.com 85 hives in NE Iowa Article 26943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Repair utility to my mess! Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:41:30 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8q2dvn$dem$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip93.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969194295 13782 195.249.242.93 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26943 I am just now putting up a little repair utility, that will bring order in the bidata database again. http://apimo.dk/programs/repair.zip By the way my homepage is not only for software. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I saw this one on alt.hobbies.beekeeping Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:46:18 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-dg9rM5Lur37UCaBLE+xNICb7YQIN8Houregy2JFK7+hlqIZsL/OljKyPOcbBiazt6uFD/FzhJYvNg4Q!3IwDVmqo4YFCA6XGOeaaz/4+ X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:42:10 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26944 I saw the attached question on alt.hobbies.beekeeping. I'm new at this too and think it's a pretty good question. If you can't see the attachment, let me know and I'll cut and past their question for you. Mark begin 666 Cooked Honey.nws M4&%T:#H@;F5WFEL;&$@-"XW,R!;96Y=("A7:6XY.#L@52D-"E@M06-C97!T+4QA M;F=U86=E.B!E;@T*34E-12U697)S:6]N.B Q+C -"DYE=W-G0T* M0V]N=&5N="U4>7!E.B!T97AT+W!L86EN.R!C:&%R2!A="!T:&4@2!D;R!P M96]P;&4@8V]O:R!I="X@27,@=&AI Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:35:56 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8q3el2$ci0$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000901210857.06354.00001030@ng-fx1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-154.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 969227746 12864 62.136.27.154 (17 Sep 2000 21:55:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 2000 21:55:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26945 Robert Williamson wrote in message news:20000901210857.06354.00001030@ng-fx1.news.cs.com... > Hi group, > > I am interested in buying some varietal honeys such as orange blossom, wahilla > (sp?)etc. Anything with a distinctive taste and/or color. Right now I only need > about one barrel to try. If you are interested in selling some please give me > an e-mail. > > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "beenews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees fly in the rain? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:45:31 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8q3el3$ci0$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000910163646.22300.00000624@ng-cu1.aol.com> <8poibn$ov6$2@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-154.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 969227747 12864 62.136.27.154 (17 Sep 2000 21:55:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 2000 21:55:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26946 Pamela Buckle wrote in message news:8poibn$ov6$2@lure.pipex.net... > My own bees can be watched as they pour out of the sky and back into the > hive at the arrival of rain, and the ones inside stay there until it's over. Depends on how heavy the rain is. A real downpour will drive them home, but drizzle will only slow them down in a honey flow. > It's interesting to imagine what it must be like flying when drops of water > of roughly your own weight hit you from above at around 20mph. Does anyone > have figures for how fast raindrops of different sizes are travelling when > they hit the ground / a bee ? Gravitational pull is the same for large or small drops, wuhch before metrication was 32ft/sec/sec. So the real criteria is how high the rain clouds are. > Martin MK UK. > > TS Article 26947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000910163646.22300.00000624@ng-cu1.aol.com> <8poibn$ov6$2@lure.pipex.net> <8q3el3$ci0$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Do bees fly in the rain? Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:21:42 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-YLhBFM9oG43TA0f6+hFN7RIOY74EGPbjDrhUspRPgASxyHJXGm8BJ6Dl/j+8B35gcjyUpiEYZDDW9vh!XArrFuFA16igegArR6v8VLFx X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:17:38 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26947 I haven't had physics in a long while, but I always thought it was some number like 9 ft/sec/sec. Anyway, doesn't the mass of the droplet have more to do with it than the speed. Doesn't the speed depend on the aerodynamics of the droplet? Mark :-) Do we really want to talk about this? :-o "beenews" wrote in message news:8q3el3$ci0$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Pamela Buckle wrote in message > news:8poibn$ov6$2@lure.pipex.net... > > My own bees can be watched as they pour out of the sky and back into the > > hive at the arrival of rain, and the ones inside stay there until it's > over. > > Depends on how heavy the rain is. > A real downpour will drive them home, but drizzle will only slow them down > in a honey flow. > > > > > It's interesting to imagine what it must be like flying when drops of > water > > of roughly your own weight hit you from above at around 20mph. Does > anyone > > have figures for how fast raindrops of different sizes are travelling when > > they hit the ground / a bee ? > > Gravitational pull is the same for large or small drops, wuhch before > metrication was 32ft/sec/sec. > So the real criteria is how high the rain clouds are. > > > Martin MK UK. > > > > > TS > > Article 26948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!novia!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repair utility to my mess! Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:42:04 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <39C548BC.EAFA143@azstarnet.com> References: <8q2dvn$dem$1@news.inet.tele.dk> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26948 Jorn Johanesson wrote: > I am just now putting up a little repair utility, that will bring order in > the bidata database again. > http://apimo.dk/programs/repair.zip > > By the way my homepage is not only for software. > > -- > EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 > http://apimo.dk (USA) > mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk J.J. : you did promise the following ........... > > Goodness. I personally think it would be much simpler to have a separate users > newsline for this material. This is crossing to the edge of spam. I am sorry Bob but because I am doing this for the benefit of beekeeping, and this was very confusing for me I wanted to get sure, that all who have interest in this work would get a change to update. This will be my last message to the group concerning this. for the rest of my time I will focus on beekeeping. Sorry that this was close to offend you. I have no money for a seperate newsgroup, sorry. mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!news.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:41:52 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> X-Trace: news.jump.net 969287935 19063 207.8.9.139 (18 Sep 2000 14:38:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26949 I don't mind at all getting stung at the time it happens. It only stings a bit for a few minutes and then it is gone. What I don't like is the next couple of days when it starts itching like crazy. I was talking about this to my grandmother last weekend and she said to put Vicks on it. She is a Vicks-aholic and uses it on everything, so I was skeptical, especially since I've tried cortizone cream and other things to try to relieve the itch. But, I did try it, and it really seems to work better than anything I've tried before. Has anybody had similar results? Has anybody found anything else that truely relieves the "after-sting-itch"? Speaking of Vicks ... its active ingredients are menthol, campher, and eucalyptus oil ... Does anybody know if any of these are harmful to bees? Has anybody tried using Vicks for controlling Tracheal Mites? I would think the eucalyptus oil might help to control Varroa as well? Any thoughts, comments, warnings??? Article 26950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Julie Subject: Bears love honeybees X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e908704.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39C649DA.FFC9643@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:59:06 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 11 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26950 I live in the foothills of the Cascades of Washington State. Our bees have been on this site for almost two years. This past weekend we had our first bear problem. He(she) overturned two of our three hives and one of them was totally destroyed. We set the other one back up and cleaned up all our destroyed frames (which were several hundred yards away). This morning the second one was overturned again (the third one still not touched) and we sat it back up one more time. I'm sure it will be back for more. How do you all go about keeping bears and other wildlife away from your bees? Preferably, aside from shooting it. The dept of wildlife said they won't come take it away because it's bear hunting season right now.... ??? Article 26951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!feeder.nmix.net!reader.nmix.net!oracle.zianet.com!alamo0422.zianet.com From: Jerry Mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting the bees out of the super Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:11:06 -0600 Organization: NMIX Lines: 28 Message-ID: <39C668CA.B0B0EAAC@zianet.com> References: <39a9920f.164554405@news.ncweb.com> <8ok8el$p2f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oracle.zianet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: reader.nmix.net 969304278 27595 204.134.124.52 (18 Sep 2000 19:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@nmix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 2000 19:11:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26951 I just slip a bee excluder in below the super a few days before I want to rob them. The super is empty of bees so I just take the whole super off. Jerry Allen Dick wrote: > > How can I get rid of the rest of the bees in the supers > > Until I ran more than 100 hives, I used a bee brush. It looks just > like a drafting brush, and is best used with an upward stroke (bees -- > like birds -- launch best with an upwards motion). > > Of course, you will have all those homeless bees to deal with. They > will likely cluster somewhere (your helmet?) You brush will then > persuade and tease them to go into a box, which can be used to take > them to their home. > > allen > --- > A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > Package bees, winter loss, fondant, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, > unwrapping, splitting, raising queens, AFB, varroa, protein patties, > moving bees, pollination experiences, daily mumblings and more... > Thousands served... > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bears love honeybees Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:58:08 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 18 Message-ID: <39C657B0.B1B2A89A@uidaho.edu> References: <39C649DA.FFC9643@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 969299889 2417 129.101.81.41 (18 Sep 2000 17:58:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 2000 17:58:09 GMT To: Julie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26952 Julie, invest (50$) in a motion activated random noise maker. See bee catalogs for the info. Or invest in an electric fence. Cheers Julie wrote: > I live in the foothills of the Cascades of Washington State. Our bees > have been on this site for almost two years. This past weekend we had > our first bear problem. He(she) overturned two of our three hives and > one of them was totally destroyed. We set the other one back up and > cleaned up all our destroyed frames (which were several hundred yards > away). This morning the second one was overturned again (the third one > still not touched) and we sat it back up one more time. I'm sure it > will be back for more. How do you all go about keeping bears and other > wildlife away from your bees? Preferably, aside from shooting it. The > dept of wildlife said they won't come take it away because it's bear > hunting season right now.... ??? Article 26953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0674.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant selling 4.9 foundation Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:49:37 -0500 Lines: 97 Message-ID: <3encss05kkebe1ipuakhq6cenb4ketqen2@4ax.com> References: <39BFEA16.6B52@wp.bsu.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0674.nts-online.net (216.167.135.38) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969306581 14907068 216.167.135.38 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26953 >I have heard something about the 4.9 foundation allowing the honeybees >to resist the varroa mites and wondered if having 4.9 foundation is very >effective with the mite control? In the Goncalves article mentioned below (1983) it states that in Brazil, cell sizes for AHB and EHB when measured were 4.5 to 4.8 mm dia. for AHB and 5.0 to 5.1 mm. for EHB and that the Varroa infestation rates were 4.8% for the AHB and 11.5% for the EHB's. That ought to give you something to think about. Why not ask the people who are the most passionate believers and back up their claims with use of the smaller natural foundation, manufacture it too, I understand. Dee A. Lusby and Ed W. Lusby Arizona Rangeland Honey 3832 East Golf Links Tucson, AZ. 85713 U.S.A. Also see Dee Lusby's post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping of 30 April, 2000 or drop her a line: deelusbybeekeeper@mailexcel.com maybe that's a real address, I didn't try it. Check out articles: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erickson, Lusby, Hoffman, Lusby (1990) On the size of cells in 'Gleanings in Bee Culture' Feb. 1990 pp.98-101 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D. Message and L.S. Goncalves (1983) The effect of the size of honey bee cells on the rate of infestation by Varroa Jacobssoni 29th International Congress of Apriculture pp. 250 Apiacta 1984, pp.62 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a recent posting with the title: USDA-ARS newsgroup presence(was"Lusby's research") of 16 Aug, 2000 John Edwards said: >There have been and are studies at this lab regarding smaller comb size. >The >Lusby family is well known to us .... their business is operated from SE >Tucson, >and the Hayden Bee Research Center is in N Tucson. We have worked with lots >of >their hand-made foundation. I am not qualified to speak on the subject - you > >might correspond directly with Dr. Eric Erickson about comb size and mite >resistance at >eric@tucson.ars.ag.gov Incidently, when I tried that 'natural foundation' from dadant it was called: 'Dadant 900 special order' and it didn't have any support wires, very natural indeed. C.K. - The Civil War has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic, but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. From Abraham Lincoln's letter to a friend (1864) Source: Washington Spectator vol.25, No. 18 http://www.newslet.com/washingtonspectator Article 26954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: svcorbin@usol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can yellow jackets take over a week colony? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:56:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8q5og3$43g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> <968883056.25363.0.nnrp-03.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> <75v1sscqcrr5lumah6v78fjpfbilrv4uvs@4ax.com> <8pr7f8$5k2$1@news.jump.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.64.150.175 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 18 18:56:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.64.150.175 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDshelleycorbin Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26954 hello, everyone, i hate YJ. i left my steel mouse guard on the whole year, i see the yj attacking my bees. they are awful! is the mouse guard enough? i would love the find the wasp nest and destroy it. any ideas where its to me found? cc an email at svcorbin@usol.com. thanks! In article <8pr7f8$5k2$1@news.jump.net>, "CharlesW" wrote: > I'm in central Texas and notice the same...many wasps... > > I've been careful to reduce intrances at all the hives, and its a good thing > because I continue to see would be robbers (including wasps) being repelled. > It appears to me that reducing the entrances has saved the day and/or my > colonies are strong and healthy. I can't tell that any robbers gain entry. > > Charlie Kroeger wrote in message > news:75v1sscqcrr5lumah6v78fjpfbilrv4uvs@4ax.com... > > >Over here in Wales it has been a terrible year for wasps. > > > > That's interesting Dick because it has been the same type of year in North > > West Texas for wasp too. I must have had ten calls this summer from > people > > thinking that wasp were bees because there were so many and they were > making a > > nuisance. > > > > Hummmm...what do you suppose we would have in common with Wales? It > doesn't > > rain here, or hasn't much this summer. We've had now more than two months > > with temperatures during the day in the mid nineties. Now it is the > middle of > > September and these temperature ranges persist. In a week or so if this > > pattern continues we will start breaking records for high temperatures for > > this time of year. > > > > There has been lots of waspy interest in the hives and lots of attempts > of > > robbing by the stronger hives of the weaker ones. > > > > Reap the whirlwind? > > > > C.K. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: THE GREAT SYDNEY QUAKE Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:27:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8q5tr2$b1g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8pu92b$15s$5@front5.grolier.fr> <39C59B87.AFBCD499@indy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.142 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 18 20:27:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.142 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26955 Right.For a minute there I thought this was the Art Bell Forum. > > > > > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bears love honeybees Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:16:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8q5t6t$a95$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39C649DA.FFC9643@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.142 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 18 20:16:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.142 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26956 In article <39C649DA.FFC9643@NOTaol.com>, Julie wrote: > I live in the foothills of the Cascades of Washington State. Our bees > have been on this site for almost two years. This past weekend we had > our first bear problem. He(she) overturned two of our three hives and > one of them was totally destroyed. We set the other one back up and > cleaned up all our destroyed frames (which were several hundred yards > away). This morning the second one was overturned again (the third one > still not touched) and we sat it back up one more time. I'm sure it > will be back for more. How do you all go about keeping bears and other > wildlife away from your bees? Preferably, aside from shooting it. The > dept of wildlife said they won't come take it away because it's bear > hunting season right now.... ??? The bear now has a taste for brood and honey and will always be aproblem for any beekeepers in the area.I would Immedately buy a bear tag and lay in my winter supply of bruinesen.You might try setting a cheap transistor radio on a hive tuned to an all night talk show (preferably liberal ,bears hate liberals)This has worked for us in places we couldnt build an electric fence.Hope this helps loggermike -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39C595C3.1D521F74@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees fly in the rain? References: <20000910163646.22300.00000624@ng-cu1.aol.com> <8poibn$ov6$2@lure.pipex.net> <8q3el3$ci0$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 67 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:10:43 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 969249341 208.235.28.20 (Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:55:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:55:41 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26957 Acceleration due to gravity near the earth is 32ft/sec/sec *not* 9 (unless you're wanting to go metric). But there is terminal velocity to consider that limits the speed of a falling raindrop to (v). The force of the raindrop F=ma results in the deceleration (a = v/t) of a raindrop of mass (m) when it hits the bee - probably enough to deflect a bee. I don't know what the actual numbers might be, but find myself thinking, "if a bee ain't got the sense to get in out of the rain, why should I care?" AL Mark wrote: > > I haven't had physics in a long while, but I always thought it was some > number like 9 ft/sec/sec. Anyway, doesn't the mass of the droplet have more > to do with it than the speed. Doesn't the speed depend on the aerodynamics > of the droplet? > > Mark :-) > > Do we really want to talk about this? :-o > > "beenews" wrote in message > news:8q3el3$ci0$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > Pamela Buckle wrote in message > > news:8poibn$ov6$2@lure.pipex.net... > > > My own bees can be watched as they pour out of the sky and back into the > > > hive at the arrival of rain, and the ones inside stay there until it's > > over. > > > > Depends on how heavy the rain is. > > A real downpour will drive them home, but drizzle will only slow them down > > in a honey flow. > > > > > > > > > It's interesting to imagine what it must be like flying when drops of > > water > > > of roughly your own weight hit you from above at around 20mph. Does > > anyone > > > have figures for how fast raindrops of different sizes are travelling > when > > > they hit the ground / a bee ? > > > > Gravitational pull is the same for large or small drops, wuhch before > > metrication was 32ft/sec/sec. > > So the real criteria is how high the rain clouds are. > > > > > Martin MK UK. > > > > > > > > TS > > > > -- Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt, British House of Commons Article 26958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant selling 4.9 foundation Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:55:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8q5ver$ctk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39BFEA16.6B52@wp.bsu.edu> <39BFF914.B8B2251A@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.142 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 18 20:55:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.142 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26958 In article <39BFF914.B8B2251A@midwest.net>, AL wrote: > > Barry Birkey wrote: > > > > > > Greetings - > > > > > > I just got the word from Dadant that a decision was made this afternoon to > > > start producing and selling 4.9mm foundation. They are now accepting orders > > > and you can expect a 4-6 week delivery time for initial start up. Once the > > > line is rolling you can expect normal turnover times. > > > > > > They are offering it in 8-1/2" size (deep) but I understand they will > > > consider custom sizes. They will accept wax for foundation (working rates) > > > and also manufacture ones own wax into foundation. (minimum may be required) > > > The foundation will be "Medium Brood Style", wax, no plastic. > > > > > > They will accept orders by phone, email, signed fax or snail mail. I trust > > > plenty of people will start working with this foundation. It will be great > > > to see now how this works in many different areas. > > > > > > Glad to pass this on and I want to thank Dadant. > > > > > > -Barry > > > > > Dale Scheidler wrote: > > I have heard something about the 4.9 foundation allowing the honeybees > > to resist the varroa mites and wondered if having 4.9 foundation is very > > effective with the mite control? Are there universities that are > > endorsing this size of foundation for use in combating the varroa mite? > > Uh oh, here we go again. > > AL > -- I have followed this seemingly endless debate with great interest and skepticism.There seems to be too many variables at play to make any conclusions.I really dont believe it will make much difference but being an experimenter by nature I will try some small base foundation next spring and try to monitor the mite buildup in those hives.I dont think itwill hurt and who knows.....?I personally believe viruses vectored by varroa are the BIG problem and breeding survivors is the way to go. loggermike loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "beenews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: THE GREAT SYDNEY QUAKE Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:57:09 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8q634p$r1n$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8pu92b$15s$5@front5.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-28.lidocaine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 969314265 27703 62.136.87.156 (18 Sep 2000 21:57:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 2000 21:57:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26959 jp turcaud wrote in message news:8pu92b$15s$5@front5.grolier.fr... > > > -- > La Rochelle 7th of September 2000 > > Ladies & Gentlemen, > > My very strong letter to the Right Hon. John Howard Prime Minister of > Australia demanding immmediate cancellation of the SOG_ Sydney Olympic Games > _, appears now in line > on my main Welleda site: http://www.poglio.com/welleda/ ( Doc XXI. then > JUST TO KEEP IN TOUCH topic ) > It is there now for all to see !!! > > BIG snip > > OR AN AUSTRALIAN MINING PIONEER WHO HAS ALWAYS DONE ITS UTMOST FOR THE > COUNTRY. > > THIS IS YOUR OWN DECISION EACH OF YOU, BUT AGAIN BE SURE IT WILL ALSO MAKE > FOR EACH OF YOU THE DIFFERENCE > BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Regards > > Jean-Paul Turcaud > Hydro and Mining Prospector > Pioneer of Australian Mining > http://www.poglio.com/welleda/ > The Greatest Australian Mining Covered Up Swindle Of The 20Th Century > http://www.poglio.com/horus1st/ > Refutation Of The Horrid Geological Myths > Nurse, nurse, He's at it again! > > > > > > Article 26960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "beenews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: THE GREAT SYDNEY QUAKE Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:22:23 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8q60r6$cni$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8pu92b$15s$5@front5.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-26.erbium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 969311910 13042 62.136.53.154 (18 Sep 2000 21:18:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Sep 2000 21:18:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26960 jp turcaud wrote in message news:8pu92b$15s$5@front5.grolier.fr... > > > -- > La Rochelle 7th of September 2000 > > Ladies & Gentlemen, ****** Major cuts ****** > OR AN AUSTRALIAN MINING PIONEER WHO HAS ALWAYS DONE ITS UTMOST FOR THE > COUNTRY. > > THIS IS YOUR OWN DECISION EACH OF YOU, BUT AGAIN BE SURE IT WILL ALSO MAKE > FOR EACH OF YOU THE DIFFERENCE > BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Regards > > Jean-Paul Turcaud > > > > Nurse, nurse, He's at it again! > > > Article 26961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39C59B87.AFBCD499@indy.net> From: Tobi Elmore Organization: Arsenal Technical High School X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: THE GREAT SYDNEY QUAKE References: <8pu92b$15s$5@front5.grolier.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 71 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:35:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.87.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 969251140 209.183.87.60 (Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:25:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:25:40 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26961 And what does this have to do with honey Bees? Tobi jp turcaud wrote: > -- > La Rochelle 7th of September 2000 > > Ladies & Gentlemen, > > My very strong letter to the Right Hon. John Howard Prime Minister of > Australia demanding immmediate cancellation of the SOG_ Sydney Olympic Games > _, appears now in line > on my main Welleda site: http://www.poglio.com/welleda/ ( Doc XXI. then > JUST TO KEEP IN TOUCH topic ) > It is there now for all to see !!! > > I am not going to take any chance with this matter and latter being accused > of not warning people of what I see ominously looming ahead ! > Indeed I clearly anticipate 3 millions victims if the appropriate steps are > not taken with regards to the > MAJOR SYDNEY QUAKE _ 8 to 9.2 on Richter scale_ with epicenter some 50 km > out at sea and consecutive 40m high Tsunami hitting the coast at the usual > 200km/h spreading complete > devastation up to 50 km inland. In my view this will be a re-enaction of the > scenario which lead > to the complete destruction of Lisbon and its inhabitants on the 1st Nov > 1755. > > That Sydney Major Quake as I see it, will be centered on the Spring Equinox > or last Equinox indeed of the Millenium > and we will entering in the red zone ten days either side of it i.e. > completely overlapping the time of the SOG... . In clear > from the 11th of September up to the 1st of October included. > > As an Australian Mining Pioneer discoverer of three major mining deposits _ > considering of course_ only those disclosed, > and behind the opening of the Great Sandy Desert of Australia to mining, I > am definitively sticking my neck out in this affair. > I do it since, it is my firm intention to save a maximum of persons and to > entice a maximum of population to leave Sydney and > vicinity during the critical time. I am also enticing people NOT to come to > Sydney during that period since by doing so, they > would be surely on a non-return trip ! > > Now, I am fufilling my duty in informing all of what apparently I am alone > to see coming with certainty. Now it's up to the ones > who will read this to decide whoever they are going to trust : Sterile > geologists or geophysicists who have never discovered > anything in their lives nor have been ever able to anticipate any > Earthquake; corrupt greedy Australian Politicians concerned > only by return on investments and career; > > OR AN AUSTRALIAN MINING PIONEER WHO HAS ALWAYS DONE ITS UTMOST FOR THE > COUNTRY. > > THIS IS YOUR OWN DECISION EACH OF YOU, BUT AGAIN BE SURE IT WILL ALSO MAKE > FOR EACH OF YOU THE DIFFERENCE > BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Regards > > Jean-Paul Turcaud > Hydro and Mining Prospector > Pioneer of Australian Mining > http://www.poglio.com/welleda/ > The Greatest Australian Mining Covered Up Swindle Of The 20Th Century > http://www.poglio.com/horus1st/ > Refutation Of The Horrid Geological Myths Article 26962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repair utility to my mess! Message-ID: References: <8q2dvn$dem$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39C548BC.EAFA143@azstarnet.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30 Lines: 15 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:13:15 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:13:15 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26962 In article <39C548BC.EAFA143@azstarnet.com>, edw1@azstarnet.com says... > This will be my last message to the group concerning this. > > for the rest of my time I will focus on beekeeping. Sorry that this was > close to offend you. I have no money for a seperate newsgroup, sorry. > Just put it in your signature, Jorn; you're obviously an experienced beekeeper as I learned when you submitted your post about how to handle laying workers, and why shouldn't you have a collateral reference to your site? Jorn Johanesson (sorry I put in 2 "ss"'s last time) Beekeeper Extraordinaire Please visit my site and try my beekeeping software at httb:\\www.http://apimo.dk Article 26963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:55:52 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <39c69d2b.426283082@news1.radix.net> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p32.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26963 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:41:52 -0500, "CharlesW" wrote: >I don't mind at all getting stung at the time it happens. It only stings a >bit for a few minutes and then it is gone. What I don't like is the next >couple of days when it starts itching like crazy. I was talking about this >to my grandmother last weekend and she said to put Vicks on it. She is a >Vicks-aholic and uses it on everything, so I was skeptical, especially since >I've tried cortizone cream and other things to try to relieve the itch. But, >I did try it, and it really seems to work better than anything I've tried >before. Has anybody had similar results? Has anybody found anything else >that truely relieves the "after-sting-itch"? > >Speaking of Vicks ... its active ingredients are menthol, campher, and >eucalyptus oil ... Does anybody know if any of these are harmful to bees? >Has anybody tried using Vicks for controlling Tracheal Mites? I would think >the eucalyptus oil might help to control Varroa as well? >Any thoughts, comments, warnings??? > > I use menthol, camphor, eucaliptis oil, and thymol for varroa control with no noticeable side effects. beekeep Article 26964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bears love honeybees Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:57:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <39c69dad.426413132@news1.radix.net> References: <39C649DA.FFC9643@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p32.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26964 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:59:06 GMT, Julie wrote: >I live in the foothills of the Cascades of Washington State. Our bees >have been on this site for almost two years. This past weekend we had >our first bear problem. He(she) overturned two of our three hives and >one of them was totally destroyed. We set the other one back up and >cleaned up all our destroyed frames (which were several hundred yards >away). This morning the second one was overturned again (the third one >still not touched) and we sat it back up one more time. I'm sure it >will be back for more. How do you all go about keeping bears and other >wildlife away from your bees? Preferably, aside from shooting it. The >dept of wildlife said they won't come take it away because it's bear >hunting season right now.... ??? Sounds like you need to invite a few hunters over for breakfast! beekeep Article 26965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_qQt5.725$uS6.153174@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> <968883056.25363.0.nnrp-03.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk> <8q0hlr$v0b$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Can yellow jackets take over a week colony? Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-Trace: /bQNuYsBk9nnqKtDgsgccQKU6v3DncYqaPGioovzUuWTA06BB8P/5BId9LtSIx9eH88KEX5aQ479!II44dM44GYCakrJDTEAA3sE5+vBDnjtpZLMDAMRhpOF9BcWaxWz1XEyvObKkAq0Iq/U6BTpmKlnD!GW1Y2bvY X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:59:29 GMT Distribution: world Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:59:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26965 I tried this today. Works really well. My wine bottle has about a dozen yellow jackets in it. No bees. On my way to the wine shop......;) Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8q0hlr$v0b$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > > "Dick Thompson" wrote in message > news:968883056.25363.0.nnrp-03.d4e4bb39@news.demon.co.uk... > > Over here in Wales it has been a terrible year for wasps. > > > > I haven't had a chance to speak to any Bristish beekeepers about it, but > ------------------------------ > > Same here in the Midlands - after a slow start they really have got going. > > I use wine bottles filled about one third full with thick sugar syrup to > trap them (about one bottle to every five hives - I have to drink quite a > lot of wine!). Stand the bottles very close to the hives - bees ignore > them, but the wasps will end up almost filling the bottles; they still seem > to stay in there even if they are on top of others and cannot therefore > drown. Do wasps attract other wasps? I understand that mice caught in a > trap that keeps them alive will attract more mice to it. > > Article 26966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: THE GREAT SYDNEY QUAKE Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 2000 01:00:17 GMT References: <39C59B87.AFBCD499@indy.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000918210017.04807.00000525@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26966 >> MAJOR SYDNEY QUAKE _ 8 to 9.2 on Richter scale_ with epicenter some 50 km >> out at sea and consecutive 40m high Tsunami hitting the coast 1. Will the surfing competition be held during the Tsunami? 2 Where will the best vantage point for viewing be. Article 26967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39C6CC84.2B36BC0B@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees not working above excluder! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:09:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 969329344 24.112.111.157 (Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:09:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:09:04 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26967 I'm a newbie with 3 hives, started from nucs. All was going so-so, with one hive going great, one okay and one slow during build-up of brood chambers. The one that was going great swarmed about a month ago, and I never managed to capture it and rehouse it. The remaining bees were very strong, and are still going great. Problem I am having now is that the stronger starting hives have done absolutely nothing above the queen excluder. The slower starting one has built up comb, and started a fine honey super. How can I encourage the other two hives to work above the excluders? I have read opinions on whether or not use excluders, but I am hesitant to remove them for fear of the bees storing pollen, or rearing brood in the supers. Any opinions? Thanks, Glen Archer - S.W. Ontario, Canada Article 26968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ARCHIVES where are they now Date: 18 Sep 2000 05:23:21 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8q4mu9$fj6$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8pjmrj$9dd$1@saltmine.radix.net> <15mvrss6kf3dk4qlh609e9r19benodsrsf@4ax.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26968 In article <15mvrss6kf3dk4qlh609e9r19benodsrsf@4ax.com>, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >Adam, you better check it out. > >I can go to: > >http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/ > >and I get the page for the archives but when I click on "Browse the complete >archive" the URL is: > >http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping > >but I'm sent to: > >www.badmonkey.org and a 404 warning. Charlie; anyone, still having problems? I've checked the link and searc hfrom several machines on different networks and they both hit the urls fine and the search works fine. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 26969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: If you want to pick at me :-) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:17:36 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8q4q5r$lsp$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip49.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969272315 22425 195.249.242.49 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26969 Please use my e-mail address! here is my background! beekeeping since 1969. official certificated experienced beekeeper. have for a period of 5 years worked as an assitant to a bee inspector. Have only a few hives myself do to a winterstorm, and varroa pressure. Please feel free to pick at me but do it by e-mail, maybe we can turn it into a nice talk about beekeeping. I still have things to learn. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:13:15 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.187 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 969332554 209.100.115.187 (Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:02:34 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:02:34 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26970 "CharlesW" wrote in message news:8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net... > I don't mind at all getting stung at the time it happens. It only stings a > bit for a few minutes and then it is gone. What I don't like is the next > couple of days when it starts itching like crazy. I was talking about this > to my grandmother last weekend and she said to put Vicks on it. She is a > Vicks-aholic and uses it on everything, so I was skeptical, especially since > I've tried cortizone cream and other things to try to relieve the itch. But, > I did try it, and it really seems to work better than anything I've tried > before. Has anybody had similar results? Has anybody found anything else > that truely relieves the "after-sting-itch"? That is good to know that Vicks works. What I have tried and works very good also is Anbesol. That is, sore gum pain relief. + Fr. Athanasios Article 26971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not working above excluder! Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 03:42:22 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8q6nar$8o5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39C6CC84.2B36BC0B@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.108 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 19 03:42:22 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.108 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26971 > Glen & Zoe wrote:How can I encourage the > other two hives to work above the excluders? > Thanks, Glen Archer - S.W. Ontario, Canada ***************************************************** Howdy G&Z -- I assume that you have foundation above the QX. Some bees are reluctant to draw foundation above one. Drawn comb or partly drawn foundation, or even a frame of unsealed brood will encourage them to go up to work. If you do not have a strong honey flow on now, feeding sugar syrup will give them incentive to draw foundation. Just remove it before much of it stored. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "blokey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Australian Beekeepers Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:25:07 +1000 Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: ede-as1-p6.netconnect.net.au Message-ID: <39c6f702@nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au> X-Trace: 19 Sep 2000 16:17:54 +1100, ede-as1-p6.netconnect.net.au Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!typhoon.sonic.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au!ede-as1-p6.netconnect.net.au Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26972 Good Morning Any Aussies out there Andrew Article 26973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!telenews.teleline.es!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39C718EF.B80D0A07@islapro.com> From: islapro Reply-To: islapro@islapro.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,es,en-US,tr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wildflower Identification References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:49:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.104 X-Complaints-To: usenet@teleline.es X-Trace: telenews.teleline.es 969342585 212.73.49.104 (Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:49:45 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:49:45 MET DST Organization: Clientes_Teleline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26973 Try the newsgroup: sci.bio.botany there is a lady from a Texas University Monique Reed. She seem to be a very experienced botanist. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain. Mark wrote: > I live in west Texas and have a few wildflowers that I need to identify. > Does anyone know of a web site that can help me do that? > > Thanks > Mark Article 26974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Propolis Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 2000 09:17:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000919051748.01648.00000158@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26974 I've read before that there are commercial uses for this--do you know what some actual products are (or uses)? Buzzylee Article 26975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:07:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net> References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <8q2820$sj2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26975 On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:00:23 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" wrote: >> In article <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk>, Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk >> Jorn Johannesson: What happens to the bees after they have been made >> hiveless in this manner? Are they adopted into other hives, or what? > >Yes they will and the laying workers will not find their way in because they >are rejected by the other hives.. Do you have a source to back up that statement? beekeep Article 26976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bman896@aol.com (Bman896) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: foam on honey Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 19 Sep 2000 12:57:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000919085756.17669.00000079@ng-fa1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26976 Hi: I recently bottled some honey that has some foam on the top. I originaly thought that I might have left it to long in my hot box (just a box with a light bulb in it). to long. When filling the jars its not noticible, but latter it is. This is just in bears and angels (plastic bottles) not jars. John Article 26977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39C6CC84.2B36BC0B@home.com> Subject: Re: Bees not working above excluder! Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:19:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 969369569 24.91.40.243 (Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:19:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:19:29 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26977 Note 1... you can put a super of foundation only between your two brood boxes to get them to draw the foundation. Just get it out of there, and back above your excluder, before it's drawn enough to put brood in. And be sure you don't move the queen with it. Note 2... if you're in Canada, you should probably not have supers on at this late time. I'm in US, Massachusetts, and the supers are off, Apistan in. Anything the bees collect now they'll need to get through winter. -Steve "Glen & Zoe" <6archers@home.com> wrote in message news:39C6CC84.2B36BC0B@home.com... > I'm a newbie with 3 hives, started from nucs. > All was going so-so, with one hive going great, one okay and one slow > during build-up of brood chambers. The one that was going great swarmed > about a month ago, and I never managed to capture it and rehouse it. > The remaining bees were very strong, and are still going great. > Problem I am having now is that the stronger starting hives have done > absolutely nothing above the queen excluder. The slower starting one has > built up comb, and started a fine honey super. How can I encourage the > other two hives to work above the excluders? I have read opinions on > whether or not use excluders, but I am hesitant to remove them for fear > of the bees storing pollen, or rearing brood in the supers. Any > opinions? > Thanks, Glen Archer - S.W. Ontario, Canada Article 26978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000919085756.17669.00000079@ng-fa1.aol.com> Subject: Re: foam on honey Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:23:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 969369798 24.91.40.243 (Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:23:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:23:18 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26978 > I recently bottled some honey that has some foam on the top. I originaly > thought that I might have left it to long in my hot box (just a box with a > light bulb in it). to long. Why was it in a hot box? > When filling the jars its not noticible, but > latter it is. This is just in bears and angels (plastic bottles) not jars. It's probably air bubbles and tiny pieces of wax that got through the strainer. After I extract, I leave the honey in a sealed tank for a couple of days to let this stuff rise to the top. Then I skim it off and the bottled product is clean. -Steve Article 26979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!east5.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not working above excluder! Message-ID: <39c77149.323255015@east.usenetserver.com> References: <39C6CC84.2B36BC0B@home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 37 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:11:30 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:02:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26979 Take a honey frame from below.. scratch it and dribble the honey on the supper above the excluder .. they will find it. Dave On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:19:29 GMT, "Steve Huston" wrote: >Note 1... you can put a super of foundation only between your two brood >boxes to get them to draw the foundation. Just get it out of there, and back >above your excluder, before it's drawn enough to put brood in. And be sure >you don't move the queen with it. > >Note 2... if you're in Canada, you should probably not have supers on at >this late time. I'm in US, Massachusetts, and the supers are off, Apistan >in. Anything the bees collect now they'll need to get through winter. > >-Steve > >"Glen & Zoe" <6archers@home.com> wrote in message >news:39C6CC84.2B36BC0B@home.com... >> I'm a newbie with 3 hives, started from nucs. >> All was going so-so, with one hive going great, one okay and one slow >> during build-up of brood chambers. The one that was going great swarmed >> about a month ago, and I never managed to capture it and rehouse it. >> The remaining bees were very strong, and are still going great. >> Problem I am having now is that the stronger starting hives have done >> absolutely nothing above the queen excluder. The slower starting one has >> built up comb, and started a fine honey super. How can I encourage the >> other two hives to work above the excluders? I have read opinions on >> whether or not use excluders, but I am hesitant to remove them for fear >> of the bees storing pollen, or rearing brood in the supers. Any >> opinions? >> Thanks, Glen Archer - S.W. Ontario, Canada > > Article 26980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:33:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.140 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 19 14:33:50 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.140 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26980 In article <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net>, "CharlesW" wrote: > I don't mind at all getting stung at the time it happens. It only stings a > bit for a few minutes and then it is gone. What I don't like is the next > couple of days when it starts itching like crazy. I was talking about this > to my grandmother last weekend and she said to put Vicks on it. She is a > Vicks-aholic and uses it on everything, so I was skeptical, especially since > I've tried cortizone cream and other things to try to relieve the itch. But, > I did try it, and it really seems to work better than anything I've tried > before. Has anybody had similar results? Has anybody found anything else > that truely relieves the "after-sting-itch"? > > Speaking of Vicks ... its active ingredients are menthol, campher, and > eucalyptus oil ... Does anybody know if any of these are harmful to bees? > Has anybody tried using Vicks for controlling Tracheal Mites? I would think > the eucalyptus oil might help to control Varroa as well? > Any thoughts, comments, warnings??? > > -- loggermike I would think there would not be enough menthol in a whole bottle to have any effect.You are dealing with some tough critters here. Be careful of claims of essential oils controlling varroa. We had a lot of hives crash last fall while feeding wintergreen oil in honey syrup.While I am convinced wintergreen wont save the hives, we did notice 1.During spring feeding with wintergreen there was no chalkbrood(antifungal) 2.Honey syrup with 1 tsp.per gal. wintergreen oil doesnt ferment. 3.No noticeable ill effects on adults or brood.Just dont depend on it for varroa mite control Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!news.jump.net!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:24:23 -0500 Organization: Jump.Net Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8q7sp5$nsl$1@news.jump.net> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <39c69d2b.426283082@news1.radix.net> X-Trace: news.jump.net 969373285 24469 207.8.9.139 (19 Sep 2000 14:21:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@jump.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26981 How and when do you apply these? beekeep wrote in message news:39c69d2b.426283082@news1.radix.net... > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:41:52 -0500, "CharlesW" > wrote: > > >I don't mind at all getting stung at the time it happens. It only stings a > >bit for a few minutes and then it is gone. What I don't like is the next > >couple of days when it starts itching like crazy. I was talking about this > >to my grandmother last weekend and she said to put Vicks on it. She is a > >Vicks-aholic and uses it on everything, so I was skeptical, especially since > >I've tried cortizone cream and other things to try to relieve the itch. But, > >I did try it, and it really seems to work better than anything I've tried > >before. Has anybody had similar results? Has anybody found anything else > >that truely relieves the "after-sting-itch"? > > > >Speaking of Vicks ... its active ingredients are menthol, campher, and > >eucalyptus oil ... Does anybody know if any of these are harmful to bees? > >Has anybody tried using Vicks for controlling Tracheal Mites? I would think > >the eucalyptus oil might help to control Varroa as well? > >Any thoughts, comments, warnings??? > > > > > I use menthol, camphor, eucaliptis oil, and thymol for varroa control > with no noticeable side effects. > > beekeep > Article 26982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Sep 2000 21:29:52 GMT References: <20000919085756.17669.00000079@ng-fa1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: foam on honey Message-ID: <20000919172952.17063.00000580@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26982 >Hi: >I recently bottled some honey that has some foam on the top. I originaly > The foam is mostly protein, you can get rid of this problem by letting your honey sit for about 3 days. All will be at the top then. and can be skimmed off if you like before bottling. I usually just let it go into the last jar and keep this one for my own use. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 26983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Retirement of Dr. Bill Wilson, Weslaco, Texas Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:02:57 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 101 Message-ID: <39C7F0A0.2744E888@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26983 Following is a message received from Dr. Gordon Gordh, CD, Kika de la Garza Subtropical Agricultural Research Center, Weslaco, TX. After a long and distinguished career with ARS, Dr. William T. Wilson, Research Entomologist, Kika de la Garza Subtropical Agricultural Research Center, Weslaco, Texas retired September 1, 2000. Dr. Wilson, a native son of Midvale, Utah, attended Colorado A&M College and was awarded a B.S. degree with a major in Entomology in 1955. In 1957 he was awarded a M.S. degree in Entomology from Colorado State University. He completed his PhD degree with a major in Entomology from Ohio State University in 1967. Dr. Wilson started his career with USDA-ARS in 1968 as a Research Entomologist in Laramie, WY. There he also served as Research Leader and Location Leader from 1968 to 1972. In 1984 he transferred to the former Honey Bee Research Unit, Weslaco, TX where he established and built the Unit into a world-class honey bee research program. Dr. Wilson's research and contributions have had a strong and lasting impact on beekeeping and honey bee research, not only in North America, but internationally. He is a recognized authority on the chemical treatment of diseases and parasites of honey bees, especially tracheal mites. Dr. Wilson's pioneering work on miticides has been widely used by the North American beekeeping industry. Dr. Wilson has made major contributions to the honey bee industry. He developed the Antibiotic Extender Patty which greatly improved the efficacy of the chemotherapeutic compound and reduced the labor needed when treating bees for control of the major bacterial disease, Bacillus larvae. He discovered the honey bee tracheal mite, Acarapis woodi in bee colonies near Guadalajara, Mexico in 1980. This was an extremely important biological event and set the state for the development of concepts and the enactment of regulations governing the quarantine and transport of honey bees including the Africanized bee. He also pioneered the development and testing of menthol crystals, amitraz and formic acid for control of two parasitic mites of honey bees, Acarapis woodi, and Varroa jacobsoni. In preparation for the arrival of the Africanized honey bee (AHB) in south Texas, Dr. Wilson conceived a plan, developed a CRIS unit and obtained administrative approval (U.S. and Mexico) to establish an extensive trapline in Mexico to study swarming, dynamics, morphometrics and biology of honey bees before, during, and after Africanizations. He was also responsible for initiating a second, and similar, swarm trapline along the Rio Grande River in south Texas. Information developed from these two projects has been enormously beneficial in understanding the process of Africanization. Dr. Wilson has published extensively and has gained national and international recognition for contributions to agriculture science in general. His creativity has produced technology and methodology that has furthered the science and practice of beekeeping. He has been the recipient of numerous awards including the USDA-ARS Scientist of the Year, USDA-Technology Transfer Award, USDA Secretary's National Honor Award, Environmental Protection, Federal Laboratory Consortium, Excellence in Technology Transfer, National Science Foundation, Travel Grants to Russia and England, and the Fulbright Faculty Fellow at Ohio State University. Dr. Wilson's expertise and recognition is evidenced by the numerous invitations to give talks, training seminars, frequent requests for advice on management practices and prestigious awards from industry. Dr. Wilson will be greatly missed by his colleagues and friends. Dr. Wilson and his wife Cathey plan on spending the upcoming winter in Utah and then move to Seattle, WA where they will make their home. We wish them well. Wanda Paradowski USDA, ARS, Southern Plains Area 7607 Eastmark Drive, Suite 230 College Station, Texas 77840 Phone: (979)260-9346 Fax: (979)260-9415 wparadowski@spa.ars.usda.gov Article 26984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Lines: 69 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:57:49 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-aDFpg8gk4KwPxd4L3kJxHB55zNoiJ9wCNPABpmTB32vITDCS+cSJeEh16JICNK8eDpsyzuASUh8IHg7!vTQuLXHP7etarO20rxdVZ8zu X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:53:43 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26984 Hello Loggermike, I'm sending this to you through the group, because I think what you said regarding the failure of mite control using essential oils is very interesting. I was under the impression that the oils work very well. I'm basing this mainly on the research at West Virginia University Extension Service by Jim Amrine, Bob Noel, Harry Mallow, Terry Stasny, and Robert Skidmore. Their research seems sound and their methods of measuring their results seem valid. However, the proof is in the pudding as they say. Do you think that methodology has much to do with the success or failure of the various oils? I'd really like to hear more on the subject. Mark "loggermike" wrote in message news:8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net>, > "CharlesW" wrote: > > I don't mind at all getting stung at the time it happens. It only > stings a > > bit for a few minutes and then it is gone. What I don't like is the > next > > couple of days when it starts itching like crazy. I was talking about > this > > to my grandmother last weekend and she said to put Vicks on it. She > is a > > Vicks-aholic and uses it on everything, so I was skeptical, > especially since > > I've tried cortizone cream and other things to try to relieve the > itch. But, > > I did try it, and it really seems to work better than anything I've > tried > > before. Has anybody had similar results? Has anybody found anything > else > > that truely relieves the "after-sting-itch"? > > > > Speaking of Vicks ... its active ingredients are menthol, campher, and > > eucalyptus oil ... Does anybody know if any of these are harmful to > bees? > > Has anybody tried using Vicks for controlling Tracheal Mites? I > would think > > the eucalyptus oil might help to control Varroa as well? > > Any thoughts, comments, warnings??? > > > > > > -- > loggermike > I would think there would not be enough menthol in a whole bottle to > have any effect.You are dealing with some tough critters > here. Be careful of claims of essential oils controlling > varroa. > We had a lot of hives crash last fall while feeding wintergreen oil in > honey syrup.While I am convinced wintergreen wont save the hives, we > did notice 1.During spring feeding with wintergreen there was no > chalkbrood(antifungal) > 2.Honey syrup with 1 tsp.per gal. wintergreen oil doesnt > ferment. > 3.No noticeable ill effects on adults or brood.Just dont > depend on it for varroa mite control > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 20 Sep 2000 02:41:31 GMT References: <39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Message-ID: <20000919224131.22950.00000413@ng-cd1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26985 >Yes they will and the laying workers will not find their way in because they >>are rejected by the other hives.. > >Do you have a source to back up that statement? Think about it... Laying workers never go out to mate and if they have ever gone outside which is unlikely they will have forgotten the way back after a couple of days.Bees are not the most intelligent of creatures. We also regularly bounce the bees out of a laying worker hive, but normally we just scatter the boxes around on other hives. They usually aren't worth the frame of brood to save them. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:48:44 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <39c8afbb.125367546@news1.radix.net> References: <39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net> <20000919224131.22950.00000413@ng-cd1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26986 On 20 Sep 2000 02:41:31 GMT, texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) wrote: >>Yes they will and the laying workers will not find their way in because they >>>are rejected by the other hives.. >> >>Do you have a source to back up that statement? > >Think about it... Laying workers never go out to mate and if they have ever >gone outside which is unlikely they will have forgotten the way back after a >couple of days.Bees are not the most intelligent of creatures. We also >regularly bounce the bees out of a laying worker hive, but normally we just >scatter the boxes around on other hives. They usually aren't worth the frame of >brood to save them. > I did think about it, that's why I asked. It has only been the last year or that a laying worker has been caught in the act of laying an egg. There is really no way of looking at a bee and telling that it is a laying worker. Studies have been made of bees being dropped in a strange location to see how long it takes for them to find a hive to join, but I have never seen a study pertaining to your statement. That doesn't mean that there hasn't been any, however by your answer I would say that you are just guessing. I also think that you are wrong. Just because a laying worker never went out to mate doesn't mean that she has never left the hive or would behave any differently than any other worker if shaken fron her hive and left to fend for herself. beekeep Article 26987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:57:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <39c8b2a2.126110787@news1.radix.net> References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <8q2820$sj2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net> <8q9v6h$i19$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p3.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26987 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:18:03 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" wrote: >"beekeep" skrev i en meddelelse >news:39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net... >> On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:00:23 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" >> wrote: >> >Yes they will and the laying workers will not find their way in because >they >> >are rejected by the other hives.. > >> Do you have a source to back up that statement? > >Only my own observations! > >Normally this handling of a hive with laying workers are done to be possible >to introduce a new queen in such a hive. It is impossible to add a new queen >to a hive with laying workers, and because it is impossible to find laying >workers , the only way to go is to move the hive from the spot, then shuttle >all the bees of the all combs, and then bring the hive back with the >foundation and combs. The bees will then return to the hive but the laying >workers will not find the way back., and a new queen can now be introduced. >This is a common way to handle this situation and have been so all the tie >I have been beekeeping and long time before that to. > This too is a totally unscientific statement. How do you know that the laying workers aren't there? You can't look at them and tell. Perhaps the disturbance and presence of only foundation surpresses their laying. Maybe they were the first to go seek shelter by joining another hive. When you alter a hive by removing the drawn combs and replace them with foundation you also alter the pheramone content of the hive. It is those peramones that cause the laying workers to be. beekeep Article 26988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:51:10 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <39C8C0CE.E608970E@okstate.edu> References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <8q2820$sj2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net> <8q9v6h$i19$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c8b2a2.126110787@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26988 beekeep wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:18:03 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" > wrote: > > >"beekeep" skrev i en meddelelse > >news:39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net... > >> On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:00:23 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" > >> wrote: > >> >Yes they will and the laying workers will not find their way in because > >they > >> >are rejected by the other hives.. > > > >> Do you have a source to back up that statement? > > > >Only my own observations! > > > >Normally this handling of a hive with laying workers are done to be possible > >to introduce a new queen in such a hive. It is impossible to add a new queen > >to a hive with laying workers, and because it is impossible to find laying > >workers , the only way to go is to move the hive from the spot, then shuttle > >all the bees of the all combs, and then bring the hive back with the > >foundation and combs. The bees will then return to the hive but the laying > >workers will not find the way back., and a new queen can now be introduced. > >This is a common way to handle this situation and have been so all the tie > >I have been beekeeping and long time before that to. > > > This too is a totally unscientific statement. How do you know that > the laying workers aren't there? You can't look at them and tell. > Perhaps the disturbance and presence of only foundation surpresses > their laying. Maybe they were the first to go seek shelter by joining > another hive. When you alter a hive by removing the drawn combs and > replace them with foundation you also alter the pheramone content of > the hive. It is those peramones that cause the laying workers to be. > > beekeep That last statement of yours (pheromones) is what I have difficulty with. How would you describe the phenomenon of a laying worker in a honey super with a perfectly good laying queen in the brood boxes below. I had two full supers of honey one week, the next week when I was ready to pull them I had 1 1/2 supers and 1/2 super full of drone brood. Mind you this was in June (here in Oklahoma) with a perfectly good laying queen in the lower brood box and a good honey flow on. gpjohns Article 26989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:18:03 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8q9v6h$i19$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <8q2820$sj2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip88.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969441297 18473 195.249.242.88 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26989 "beekeep" skrev i en meddelelse news:39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net... > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:00:23 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" > wrote: > >Yes they will and the laying workers will not find their way in because they > >are rejected by the other hives.. > Do you have a source to back up that statement? Only my own observations! Normally this handling of a hive with laying workers are done to be possible to introduce a new queen in such a hive. It is impossible to add a new queen to a hive with laying workers, and because it is impossible to find laying workers , the only way to go is to move the hive from the spot, then shuttle all the bees of the all combs, and then bring the hive back with the foundation and combs. The bees will then return to the hive but the laying workers will not find the way back., and a new queen can now be introduced. This is a common way to handle this situation and have been so all the tie I have been beekeeping and long time before that to. -- EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 new revised beekeeping and pollen software at http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 26990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:49:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8qaipj$o4t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.152 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 20 14:49:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.152 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26990 In article , "Mark" wrote: > Hello Loggermike, > > I'm sending this to you through the group, because I think what you said > regarding the failure of mite control using essential oils is very > interesting. I was under the impression that the oils work very well. I'm > basing this mainly on the research at West Virginia University Extension > Service by Jim Amrine, Bob Noel, Harry Mallow, Terry Stasny, and Robert > Skidmore. Their research seems sound and their methods of measuring their > results seem valid. However, the proof is in the pudding as they say. Do > you think that methodology has much to do with the success or failure of the > various oils? I'd really like to hear more on the subject. > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Timing and method of use might change the result.Other factors might be: Source of the oil,genetics of the bees, strain of varroa involved,different viruses being vectored(PMS),level of tracheal mites, etc.I dont have the time or resources to try to have lab testing done to see why a particular treatment failed.Like most beemen I read every thing I can find,then try what seems reasonable,as best I can.I dont comepletly reject essential oils,just know they arent effective under SOME conditions. -loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!spacestar!newsfeed.frii.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: Julie Subject: Re: Bears love honeybees X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e908704.evt.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39C8DCD7.8D90C735@NOTaol.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <39C649DA.FFC9643@NOTaol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:50:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Win98; I) Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26991 An electric fence seems to have done the trick. We've had it up for two nights now and we've seen the bear in the area, but he's not touching the bees... yay! Thanks everyone. Julie wrote: > > I live in the foothills of the Cascades of Washington State. Our bees > have been on this site for almost two years. This past weekend we had > our first bear problem. He(she) overturned two of our three hives and > one of them was totally destroyed. We set the other one back up and > cleaned up all our destroyed frames (which were several hundred yards > away). This morning the second one was overturned again (the third one > still not touched) and we sat it back up one more time. I'm sure it > will be back for more. How do you all go about keeping bears and other > wildlife away from your bees? Preferably, aside from shooting it. The > dept of wildlife said they won't come take it away because it's bear > hunting season right now.... ??? Article 26992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:51:36 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8q9on6$9dh$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdx44.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 969434662 9649 62.188.8.137 (20 Sep 2000 07:24:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Sep 2000 07:24:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26992 CharlesW wrote in message news:8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net... talking about this > to my grandmother last weekend and she said to put Vicks on it. She is a > Vicks-aholic and uses it on everything, ? > Any thoughts, comments, warnings??? > Vick has quite another use. If you rub some on the branch where a swarm was hanging, the bees don't cluster there but join the colony you have put in the box. Much better than blowing smoke at them, shaking the branch, and all the other things I used to do. Also keeps bees off your hands/gloves if you rub a bit on before handling hive. Martin. MK UK Article 26993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Retirement of Dr. Bill Wilson, Weslaco, Texas Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:55:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 119 Message-ID: <8qaj5b$opo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39C7F0A0.2744E888@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.152 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 20 14:55:50 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.152 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26993 In article <39C7F0A0.2744E888@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, John Edwards wrote: > > > Following is a message received from Dr. Gordon Gordh, CD, Kika de la > Garza > Subtropical Agricultural Research Center, Weslaco, TX. > > After a long and distinguished career with ARS, Dr. William T. Wilson, > Research Entomologist, Kika de la Garza Subtropical Agricultural > Research > Center, Weslaco, Texas retired September 1, 2000. Dr. Wilson, a native > son > of Midvale, Utah, attended Colorado A&M College and was awarded a B.S. > degree with a major in Entomology in 1955. In 1957 he was awarded a > M.S. > degree in Entomology from Colorado State University. He completed his > PhD > degree with a major in Entomology from Ohio State University in 1967. > > Dr. Wilson started his career with USDA-ARS in 1968 as a Research > Entomologist in Laramie, WY. There he also served as Research Leader > and > Location Leader from 1968 to 1972. In 1984 he transferred to the > former > Honey Bee Research Unit, Weslaco, TX where he established and built the > Unit into a world-class honey bee research program. > > Dr. Wilson's research and contributions have had a strong and lasting > impact on beekeeping and honey bee research, not only in North America, > but > internationally. He is a recognized authority on the chemical treatment > of > diseases and parasites of honey bees, especially tracheal mites. Dr. > Wilson's pioneering work on miticides has been widely used by the North > American beekeeping industry. Dr. Wilson has made major contributions > to > the honey bee industry. He developed the Antibiotic Extender Patty > which > greatly improved the efficacy of the chemotherapeutic compound and > reduced > the labor needed when treating bees for control of the major bacterial > disease, Bacillus larvae. He discovered the honey bee tracheal mite, > Acarapis woodi in bee colonies near Guadalajara, Mexico in 1980. This > was > an extremely important biological event and set the state for the > development of concepts and the enactment of regulations governing the > quarantine and transport of honey bees including the Africanized bee. > He > also pioneered the development and testing of menthol crystals, amitraz > and > formic acid for control of two parasitic mites of honey bees, Acarapis > woodi, and Varroa jacobsoni. > > In preparation for the arrival of the Africanized honey bee (AHB) in > south > Texas, Dr. Wilson conceived a plan, developed a CRIS unit and obtained > administrative approval (U.S. and Mexico) to establish an extensive > trapline in Mexico to study swarming, dynamics, morphometrics and > biology > of honey bees before, during, and after Africanizations. He was also > responsible for initiating a second, and similar, swarm trapline along > the > Rio Grande River in south Texas. Information developed from these two > projects has been enormously beneficial in understanding the process of > Africanization. > > Dr. Wilson has published extensively and has gained national and > international recognition for contributions to agriculture science in > general. His creativity has produced technology and methodology that > has > furthered the science and practice of beekeeping. He has been the > recipient of numerous awards including the USDA-ARS Scientist of the > Year, > USDA-Technology Transfer Award, USDA Secretary's National Honor Award, > Environmental Protection, Federal Laboratory Consortium, Excellence in > Technology Transfer, National Science Foundation, Travel Grants to > Russia > and England, and the Fulbright Faculty Fellow at Ohio State University. > Dr. Wilson's expertise and recognition is evidenced by the numerous > invitations to give talks, training seminars, frequent requests for > advice > on management practices and prestigious awards from industry. > > Dr. Wilson will be greatly missed by his colleagues and friends. Dr. > Wilson and his wife Cathey plan on spending the upcoming winter in Utah > and > then move to Seattle, WA where they will make their home. We wish them > well. > > Wanda Paradowski > USDA, ARS, Southern Plains Area > 7607 Eastmark Drive, Suite 230 > College Station, Texas 77840 > Phone: (979)260-9346 > Fax: (979)260-9415 > wparadowski@spa.ars.usda.gov > > -- A lot of bees are still alive because of Bill Wilsons research and willingness to pass on info. to beemen.-loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Retirement of Dr. Bill Wilson, Weslaco, Texas Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:12:21 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 32 Message-ID: <39C8EFF5.5352238F@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <39C7F0A0.2744E888@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <8qaj5b$opo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26994 loggermike wrote: > In article <39C7F0A0.2744E888@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, > John Edwards wrote: > > > > After a long and distinguished career with ARS, Dr. William T. Wilson, > > Research Entomologist, Kika de la Garza Subtropical Agricultural > > Research > > Center, Weslaco, Texas retired September 1, 2000. > > -- A lot of bees are still alive because of Bill Wilsons research and > willingness to pass on info. to beemen.-loggermike True - now maybe in retirement he will have time to correspond through the internet newsgroups. -- John ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bears love honeybees Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:21:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8qb2mf$ced$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39C649DA.FFC9643@NOTaol.com> <39C8DCD7.8D90C735@NOTaol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.170 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 20 19:21:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.170 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26995 In article <39C8DCD7.8D90C735@NOTaol.com>, Julie wrote: > An electric fence seems to have done the trick. We've had it up for two > nights now and we've seen the bear in the area, but he's not touching > the bees... yay! > > Thanks everyone. > Julie,dont forget to hang some bacon strips or tie hot dogs on the fence.The idea is to get the bear to pause and sniff before just plowing your fence over.You cant build a fence strong enough to stop a determined bear so youve got to give the fence a chance to zap him first.-loggermike(always building fences when I'd rather be fishing) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0554.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:21:37 -0500 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0554.nts-online.net (216.167.133.44) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969481302 15791348 216.167.133.44 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26996 >loggermike declared: >We had a lot of hives crash last fall while feeding wintergreen oil in >honey syrup. 'Wintergreen' is really some kind of proprietary name for various versions of Thymol. Thymol in Britain smells like 'wintergreen' but Thymol in America smells like 'Listerine.' Why would you want to 'mix' an oil with your syrup? Does it mix? Most Thymol additives to syrup are done through the use of a 'tincture' with ethanol. Ethanol dissolves the Thymol crystals (which are not soluble in water) hence the 'titration' effect when adding Thymol tincture to syrup; but, that's how you get it into and mixed with the syrup. Over a period of days, the syrup is toxic to molds, yeast, and bacteria while fumigating the hive with the unmistakable odor of (your country's version of) Thymol. C.K. Article 26997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Lines: 241 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:10:15 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-e1nB0C0Y6ydm6Nz0BYZ90HNprLK5oxt6Jw2owQo7CxCQX3GZnLO6uKmR8T+WyyevFpp8NLHS6YYA5c6!mf+Rd2wfQj9emzUYZOEcJNDTNA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:10:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26997 Just some info for you. WINTERGREEN OIL, betula oil, sweet birch oil, teaberry oil. No. 5994, Merck Index. Contains: Methyl salicylate; 2-Hydrxybenzoic acid methyl ester; C8H8O3. Mol. Wt. 152.14. Present in leaves of Gaultheria procumbens L., Ericaceae; in the bark of Betula lenta L., Black Birch, Betulaceae; mostly prepared by esterification of salicylic acid with methanol. The product of commerce is about 99% pure. Colorless, yellowish or reddish, oily liq; odor and taste of Gautheria. Mp -8.6° bp 220-224° d25/25 1.184. D of the natural ester is about 1.180. N20/D 1.535-1.538. Flash pt, closed cup: 210°F (99°C). Slightly soluble In water; one gram in about 1500 ml.; soluble in chloroform, ether. Misc with alcohol, glacial acetic acid. LD50 orally in rats: 887 mg/kg. P.M. Jenner et al., Food Cosmet. Toxicol. 2: 327 (1964). Human toxicity: ingestion of relatively small amounts may cause severe poisoning and death (average lethal dose: 10 ml in children, 30ml in adults). Symptoms of poisoning: nausea, vomiting, acidosis, pulmonary edema, pneumonia, convulsions, death. Cf. Clinical toxicology of Commercial Products, R. E. Gosselin et al., eds. (Williams and Wilkins, Baltimore, 4th ed. 1976), Section III, pp. 295-303. Use: in perfumery; for flavoring candies, etc. Therapeutic Category: counterirritant. NO Thymol. Thymol is found in Thyme oil: THYME OIL: Volatile oil distilled from flowering plant, Thymus vulgaris L., Lamiaceae. Contains: 20-40% by vol of thymol (#9246) and carvacrol (#1855); cymene (#2758), pinene (#7319), linalool (#5323), bornyl acetate (#1323). Colorless to reddish-brown liq; pleasant thymol odor; sharp taste. d25/25: 0.894 to 0.930. a25/D: <-4° . n20/D: 1.483 to 1.510. Very slt soluble in water; soluble in 2 vols of 80% alcohol. Keep well closed, cool and protected from light. Note: often mislabeled "Oil of Origanum". Therapeutic category: rubefacient, counterirritant, antiseptic, carminative. Now, here is more than you ever wanted to know about Wintergreen: M A T E R I A L S A F E T Y D A T A S H E E T SECTION 1. - - - - - - - - - CHEMICAL IDENTIFICATION- - - - - - - - - - CATALOG #: 95380 NAME: WINTERGREEN OIL FROM GAULTHERIA PR OCUMBENS L. SECTION 2. - - - - - COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS - - - - - - CAS #: 68917-75-9 MF: C8-H8-O3 EC NO: 289--88-8 SYNONYMS O-ANISIC ACID * BENZOIC ACID, 2-HYDROXY-, METHYL ESTER * BETULA * BETULA OIL * EXAGIEN * FLUCARMIT * GAULTHERIA OIL, ARTIFICIAL * GAULTHERIA OIL * O-HYDROXYBENZOIC ACID, METHYL ESTER * 2- HYDROXYBENZOIC ACID METHYL ESTER * METHYLESTER KYSELINY SALICYLOVE (CZECH) * METHYL O-HYDROXYBENZOATE * METHYL SALICYLATE * NATURAL WINTERGREEN OIL * OIL OF WINTERGREEN * SYNTHETIC WINTERGREEN OIL * TEABERRY OIL * WINTERGREEN OIL * WINTERGREEN OIL, SYNTHETIC * SECTION 3. - - - - - - - - - - HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION - - - - - - - - - LABEL PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENTS HARMFUL HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED. IRRITATING TO EYES AND SKIN. IN CASE OF CONTACT WITH EYES, RINSE IMMEDIATELY WITH PLENTY OF WATER AND SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE. WEAR SUITABLE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING. SECTION 4. - - - - - - - - - - FIRST-AID MEASURES- - - - - - - - - - - IF SWALLOWED, WASH OUT MOUTH WITH WATER PROVIDED PERSON IS CONSCIOUS. CALL A PHYSICIAN. IF INHALED, REMOVE TO FRESH AIR. IF BREATHING BECOMES DIFFICULT, CALL A PHYSICIAN. IN CASE OF CONTACT, IMMEDIATELY WASH SKIN WITH SOAP AND COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF WATER. IN CASE OF CONTACT WITH EYES, FLUSH WITH COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF WATER FOR AT LEAST 15 MINUTES. ASSURE ADEQUATE FLUSHING BY SEPARATING THE EYELIDS WITH FINGERS. CALL A PHYSICIAN. SECTION 5. - - - - - - - - - FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES - - - - - - - - - - EXTINGUISHING MEDIA WATER SPRAY. CARBON DIOXIDE, DRY CHEMICAL POWDER OR APPROPRIATE FOAM. SPECIAL FIREFIGHTING PROCEDURES WEAR SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS AND PROTECTIVE CLOTHING TO PREVENT CONTACT WITH SKIN AND EYES. UNUSUAL FIRE AND EXPLOSIONS HAZARDS EMITS TOXIC FUMES UNDER FIRE CONDITIONS. SECTION 6. - - - - - - - - ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES- - - - - - - - - WEAR SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS, RUBBER BOOTS AND HEAVY RUBBER GLOVES. EVACUATE AREA. SHUT OFF ALL SOURCES OF IGNITION. ABSORB ON SAND OR VERMICULITE AND PLACE IN CLOSED CONTAINERS FOR DISPOSAL. VENTILATE AREA AND WASH SPILL SITE AFTER MATERIAL PICKUP IS COMPLETE. SECTION 7. - - - - - - - - - - HANDLING AND STORAGE- - - - - - - - - - - REFER TO SECTION 8. SECTION 8. - - - - - - EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION- - - - - - SAFETY SHOWER AND EYE BATH. MECHANICAL EXHAUST REQUIRED. AVOID INHALATION. AVOID CONTACT WITH EYES, SKIN AND CLOTHING. AVOID PROLONGED OR REPEATED EXPOSURE. NIOSH/MSHA-APPROVED RESPIRATOR. COMPATIBLE CHEMICAL-RESISTANT GLOVES. CHEMICAL SAFETY GOGGLES. WASH THOROUGHLY AFTER HANDLING. KEEP TIGHTLY CLOSED. FREEZE. SECTION 9. - - - - - - - PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES - - - - - - - APPEARANCE AND ODOR LIQUID. PHYSICAL PROPERTIES FLASHPOINT 204.8 F 96 C SECTION 10. - - - - - - - - -STABILITY AND REACTIVITY - - - - - - - - - STABILITY STABLE. INCOMPATIBILITIES STRONG OXIDIZING AGENTS HAZARDOUS COMBUSTION OR DECOMPOSITION PRODUCTS CARBON MONOXIDE, CARBON DIOXIDE HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION WILL NOT OCCUR. SECTION 11. - - - - - - - - - TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION - - - - - - - - ACUTE EFFECTS TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, THE CHEMICAL, PHYSICAL, AND TOXICOLOGICAL PROPERTIES HAVE NOT BEEN THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED. CAUSES SKIN IRRITATION. MAY BE HARMFUL IF ABSORBED THROUGH THE SKIN. CAUSES EYE IRRITATION. MAY BE HARMFUL IF INHALED. MATERIAL MAY BE IRRITATING TO MUCOUS MEMBRANES AND UPPER RESPIRATORY TRACT. HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED. RTECS #: VO4725000 SALICYLIC ACID, METHYL ESTER IRRITATION DATA SKN-RBT 500 MG/24H MOD FCTXAV 16,821,1978 EYE-RBT 500 MG/24H MLD 85JCAE -,668,1986 SKN-GPG 100% SEV FCTXAV 16,821,1978 EYE-GPG 100% SEV FCTXAV 16,821,1978 TOXICITY DATA ORL-MAN LDLO:101 MG/KG AJMSA9 193,772,1937 ORL-MAN LDLO:1329 MG/KG CTOXAO 6,189,1973 ORL-CHD LDLO:228 MG/KG AJDCAI 69,37,1945 ORL-CHD LDLO:700 MG/KG ADCHAK 28,475,1953 ORL-WMN LDLO:355 MG/KG AJMSA9 193,772,1937 ORL-INF LDLO:1480 MG/KG AJMSA9 193,772,1937 ORL-HMN LDLO:506 MG/KG 85KYAH 11,961,1989 UNR-MAN LDLO:522 MG/KG 85DCAI 2,73,1970 ORL-RAT LD50:887 MG/KG FCTXAV 2,327,1964 ORL-MUS LD50:1110 MG/KG JPETAB 132,207,1961 ORL-DOG LD50:2100 MG/KG FCTXAV 16,821,1978 ORL-RBT LD50:1300 MG/KG FCTXAV 16,821,1978 ORL-GPG LD50:700 MG/KG 14CYAT 2,1897,1963 TARGET ORGAN DATA PERIPHERAL NERVE AND SENSATION (FLACCID PARALYSIS WITHOUT ANESTHESIA) BEHAVIORAL (GENERAL ANESTHETIC) BEHAVIORAL (SOMNOLENCE) BEHAVIORAL (CONVULSIONS OR EFFECT ON SEIZURE THRESHOLD) BEHAVIORAL (COMA) LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (DYSPNAE) LUNGS, THORAX OR RESPIRATION (RESPIRATORY STIMULATION) GASTROINTESTINAL (NAUSEA OR VOMITING) BLOOD (HEMORRHAGE) EFFECTS ON FERTILITY (POST-IMPLANTATION MORTALITY) EFFECTS ON EMBRYO OR FETUS (FETOTOXICITY) SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM) SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (EYE, EAR) SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (CRANIOFACIAL) SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (BODY WALL) SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM) SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (HEPATOBILIARY SYSTEM) SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTAL ABNORMALITIES (UROGENITAL SYSTEM) ONLY SELECTED REGISTRY OF TOXIC EFFECTS OF CHEMICAL SUBSTANCES (RTECS) DATA IS PRESENTED HERE. 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LICENSE GRANTED TO MAKE UNLIMITED PAPER COPIES FOR INTERNAL USE ONLY "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:af6issorc7v8ltd33pg882kolu4tikhipd@4ax.com... > >loggermike declared: > > >We had a lot of hives crash last fall while feeding wintergreen oil in > >honey syrup. > > 'Wintergreen' is really some kind of proprietary name for various versions of > Thymol. Thymol in Britain smells like 'wintergreen' but Thymol in America > smells like 'Listerine.' > > Why would you want to 'mix' an oil with your syrup? Does it mix? Most Thymol > additives to syrup are done through the use of a 'tincture' with ethanol. > Ethanol dissolves the Thymol crystals (which are not soluble in water) hence > the 'titration' effect when adding Thymol tincture to syrup; but, that's how > you get it into and mixed with the syrup. Over a period of days, the syrup is > toxic to molds, yeast, and bacteria while fumigating the hive with the > unmistakable odor of (your country's version of) Thymol. > > C.K. Article 26998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.nntp.primus.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!news2.tor.primus.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39C980AD.646710EB@globalserve.net> From: M&L White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees not working above excluder! References: <39C6CC84.2B36BC0B@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:29:50 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.134.73 X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news2.tor.primus.ca 969495713 209.90.134.73 (Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:53 EDT Organization: Primus Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26998 Hi Glen: One other thing to consider. I had this problem one year. If you have a two brood chambers set-up, is the upper chamber honey bound? This would make the hive appear strong by the activity out front on the bottom board, but in fact you have brood only in the lower chamber. The hive is week and the bees have no interest in working the honey suppers. In my case that was what I found. I removed about five frames from the center of the upper chamber that were full of honey. I then robed one frame of brood from my other hives and the problem was solved. However the year I did this it was in July or early August. The next point that Steve made is good. We are late in the season. If that hive is only one chamber strong then leave it. You should medicate no later then this weekend if needed, do the 24/24 test, clean white paper on the bottom board and if you find 24 mites in 24 hours then medicate. If not don't bother. Good luck Mike Article 26999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0263.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:49:42 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0263.nts-online.net (216.167.132.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969497384 16116267 216.167.132.8 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26999 >WINTERGREEN OIL, betula oil, sweet birch oil, teaberry oil. No. 5994, Merck >Index. Contains: Methyl salicylate; 2-Hydrxybenzoic acid methyl ester; >C8H8O3. Mol. Wt. 152.14. Present in leaves of Gaultheria procumbens L., Well OK I stand corrected, however, Thymol in Britain still smelled just like that stuff that rugby players rub on themselves and they called it 'wintergreen' and Americans call it 'Bengay" someone's wrong. Also, how do you mix this wintergreen oil in with your syrup? C.K. Article 27000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0263.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:56:45 -0500 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0263.nts-online.net (216.167.132.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969497807 15942101 216.167.132.8 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27000 >THYME OIL: Volatile oil distilled from flowering plant, Thymus vulgaris L., That's Thymol, not Thyme Oil..big difference. I use Thymol N.F. (Cryst.) made by Mallinckrodt the 500g. bottle for $91.40 (old price) dissolvable only in Ethanol, smells like 'Listerine.' C.K. Article 27001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:49 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-fRIPVMDRvL4FKeU6m6D34pm2o1M2T6I/hVwn244oQHktP/LJp0g6KwhhT13qthtqpDsLOXZJJyP3SMo!Swi4AUd4Q7qcwisILoEmi/Vd X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:17:39 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27001 You're correct - sort of, Thyme Oil is mainly Thymol. Confused yet? Here is some info for you to digest. THYME OIL: Volatile oil distilled from flowering plant, Thymus vulgaris L., Lamiaceae. Contains: 20-40% by vol of thymol (#9246) and carvacrol (#1855); cymene (#2758), pinene (#7319), linalool (#5323), bornyl acetate (#1323). Colorless to reddish-brown liq; pleasant thymol odor; sharp taste. d25/25: 0.894 to 0.930. a25/D: <-4° . n20/D: 1.483 to 1.510. Very slt soluble in water; soluble in 2 vols of 80% alcohol. Keep well closed, cool and protected from light. Note: often mislabeled "Oil of Origanum". Therapeutic category: rubefacient, counterirritant, antiseptic, carminative. "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:ivmiss4i2k4eceur9lltscf29c2gsg0hl5@4ax.com... > >THYME OIL: Volatile oil distilled from flowering plant, Thymus vulgaris L., > > That's Thymol, not Thyme Oil..big difference. > > I use Thymol N.F. (Cryst.) made by Mallinckrodt the 500g. bottle for $91.40 > (old price) dissolvable only in Ethanol, smells like 'Listerine.' > > C.K. Article 27002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Lines: 4299 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C02341.F85154E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <_Ddy5.597$A4.24973@news1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:38:02 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-W1cxMknWa517r/Jn/HlU4ERw/BtuQsINFz03i9Uqo7xSktwfPvfI7UUxlXu2gagnuQWPY9EB5TUJYmy!lXByPTLb8Az/4b39ei4DeLwAmdk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:38:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27002 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C02341.F85154E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0051_01C02341.F85154E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0051_01C02341.F85154E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's some good info about essential oil treatment. In it you will = find that the oils work best when mixed with honey, but will work with = sugar - with some minor problems. I've put this in HTML. I hope you = can read it with your news reader. If not, let me know and I'll put in = as plain text. Mark Results of Research: Using Essential Oils for Honey Bee Mite Control Mite Control in Honeybees With Essential Oils Main Page Images from Research | References on Varroa Mites=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Jim Amrine, Bob Noel, Harry Mallow, Terry Stasny, Robert Skidmore (Last Updated: December 30, 1996) Contents Essential Oils have Two Modes of Action Revised Dosages Used in Experimental Treatments Notes About Grease Patties Timing of Treatments Recent Findings Comments on Varroatosis Comments on Natural Resistance to Varroatosis EPA Exemption of Essential Oils Notes about tracheal mites Images from Research We have found that several essential oils can either kill, or adversely = affect varroa mites. Essential Oils have Two Modes of Action:=20 1) Toxicity by direct contact: When varroa mites contact essential oils such as wintergreen, patchouli, = tea tree oil, et al., mixed into oil or grease, they are killed on = contact--usually within a few minutes. 2) Impaired reproduction via feeding syrups containing essential oils: When varroa mites feed on larvae that contain essential oils, their = reproduction is interrupted. If the oil is strong enough, the females = are unable to lay eggs. If the oils are in lower concentration, eggs are = layed, but development of immature mites is delayed; young mites do not = reach maturity before the bees emerge from the cell; consequently, the = immature mites die. Involvement of Essential Oils in Impaired Reproduction of Varroa Mites: = Syrup containing the essential oils is fed at the hive entrance or in = the broodnest. Many bees feed on the syrup and pass the essential oils = around by trophalaxis (adult bees sharing their food reserves). The = syrup and essential oil is ingested by nurse bees and enters the = communal food in the crop and passes into the milk glands. When the = nurse bees feed larvae, the essential oils are in the bee milk and = communal food and are ingested by the larvae. Thus, when female varroa = mites feed on treated larvae or larval food at the bottom of the cell, = they ingest the essential oils which adversely affect their = reproduction. The probable mechanism is interference with enzymes in the = complex gestation (especially in the production of nutrients and new = proteins) of the oocyte and embryo-larva of the varroa mite. Research = needs to be conducted to verify this hypothesis and to verify the = presence of the essential oils in bee larvae and ultimately, in the = female varroa mites. Impaired reproduction is not observed when canola oil, mineral oil, or = shortening (eg., Crisco, a vegetable lard) containing essential oils are = delivered to the hives. The fats and greases do not enter the food chain = as readily as syrups, and the amounts of essential oils ending up in = larval food or in the larvae themselves are inconsequential. Thus, there = is no interruption of the development of mite eggs or of immature varroa = mites. The mites that directly contact these materials rapidly die; but = others are able to escape the essential oils in grease or canola oil by = entering cells of mature larvae that are about to be capped, or by = moving onto displaced nurse bees (see below, "Recent Findings") near the = top of the colony, where the grease patties and tracking strips are not = placed. We found that putting paper towels soaked in canola + essential = oils in the tops of colonies from July to September, kills the varroa = mites residing on the displaced nurse bees which congregate in the upper = supers of large colonies. Feeding of sugar syrup with essential oils at the entrance, or in the = brood nest, places the essential oils into the food chain and prevents = oviposition by female mites or retards the development of immature mites = in capped larval/pupal cells. We had several colonies that were treated with tracking strips and = grease patties only, and we saw resurgence of varroa mites, especially = when bee populations were at their peak, lots of brood was present, and = when the bees occupied many supers as well as two brood chambers. = However, we also had several colonies that were treated with the = tracking strips and grease patties, and were continually fed syrup + = essential oils at the entrance; in these colonies very few varroa mites = were found. Those few that were found appeared to have come into the = colonies on drifting bees. Revised Dosages Used in Experimental Treatments:=20 1). Syrup: 25 drops (1 cc) of wintergreen or spearmint is added to one = pint of honey (or two cups of sugar (about one pound or 453.6 grams)) in = a quart jar (0.95 liter); hot water is added to fill the jar. We found = that more of the essential oil goes into solution in honey than in sugar = syrup; there may be a natural emulsifier in honey that helps essential = oils to stay in solution. When making sugar syrup, we found that we must = add the oil to the granulated sugar then add the very warm water (not = too hot or else the oils will evaporate). We feed the bees as much syrup = as they will take; Bob uses 1/2 gallon jars on his entrance feeders. We = have had good results with wintergreen, spearmint, rosemary and = peppermint oils. We plan to conduct experiments this fall and winter = combining the essential oils with fumadil in syrup to see if the = treatments are compatible. See diagram below for making entrance cleats = to eliminate robbing. Problem: oils mix poorly with water; we have had some reports of a few = bees being killed when they feed on the last dregs of the syrup, above = which lie pools of undissolved, pure oil;--they become completely wetted = by the remaining oil. We are looking for a food based emulsifier which = will allow all of the 1 cc or more of essential oil to go into solution = in the syrup without harming the bees. 2). Grease patties: are made with four cups of granulated sugar, two = cups of shortening (lard of vegetable origin--used for making pastries = and frying fish and chips, etc., eg., Crisco) and one of the following: = 21 cc of wintergreen oil, 21 cc of tea tree oil or 21 cc of patchouli = oil; or 11.5 cc of each of any two oils (eg., wintergreen + tea tree). = (This rate is 1/4 oz. (=3D7.4 cc) of essential oils per pound of sugar = and grease). The components are thoroughly mixed (wear gloves or use a = mixer or large spoon, as wintergreen oil in such concentrations may be = toxic; patchouli oil and tea tree oil are not toxic through the skin). = The mixture is then made up into 4 ounce patties (like a small, 3.5" = hamburger); each patty is then divided and placed on top of each brood = box (about one half pound or 8 ozs. of grease patties per hive; one = batch treats 5.8 hives). We plan to make patties this fall and winter = that also contain teramycin (TM25 or TM50) to determine whether = medications can be combined for both mites and foul brood. 3). Tracking strips: are made by cutting sheets or pieces of 1/8 in. = plexiglass into strips 3" wide by 14" long (7.5 cm by 35.5 cm ), and = used as a base for holding a treated slurry containing essential oil. = The slurry is made as follows: 17.5 ozs. (2 and 1/5 cups) of canola oil = (synonym for rapeseed oil) are mixed with 6.5 ozs. (slightly more than = 4/5 cup) of melted beeswax (ratio is 4:1.5), stirred and set on a hot = plate. To this liquid we add 24 cc's of wintergreen oil (or 24 cc's of = tea tree oil or patchouli oil or 12 cc's of any two oils ). We stir the = liquid well and pour it into three 8 oz. plastic cups. When cooled, the = slurry has a shoe-polish or salve-like consistency. Then, 2 to 3 = teaspoons of the slurry are applied to the tracking strip which is = placed lengthwise just inside the front entrance of each colony. The = bees must track through this slurry when they enter or exit the hive; = they then attempt to clean off the slurry and get it onto each other. = When the slurry contacts varroa mites, it kills them. Treatments are = repeated after 5 days or so: the old slurry, dead mites and dead, = deformed bees are scraped off and new slurry added. The tracking strips = also serve as small mite sampling strips: if varroa mites are present, = dead mites (the number reflecting the size of the population on adult = bees) can be found on the strips about 24 to 48 hours after treatment. = The number of dead mites on the strips is significantly greater than = what it would be due to natural mite mortality. Plexiglass is used for = tracking strips because it has a very smooth finish allowing an even = coverage and it is too hard for the bees to chew up or remove; masonite = or other similar material could be used just as well. 4). Paper inserts at top of hive: For control of varroa mite on = displaced nurse bees (see comments above), we use 5.5 cc's of = wintergreen per cup of canola oil; we put this solution into a honey = bear (used as a squeeze bottle) and apply several lines of wintergreen = oil mixture in both directions on a paper towel so that the towel is = saturated; the towel is then placed under the inner cover or in the = upper supers where displaced nurse bees congregate. The bees chew it up = and remove it in a week or so. These are replaced as needed to treat the = varroa mites trying to avoid the other treatments. Be careful! Do not = get the oil-wintergreen mixture directly onto the queen. Notes About Grease Patties:=20 1) a recent author stated that grease patties had no adverse effect on = tracheal mites when administered to his colonies; the paper stated that = the patties were purchased commercially. Be certain that the grease = patties you make or buy contain plenty of grease or vegetable oil. It is = the free oil or grease that appears to suffocate tracheal mites and = probably also, varroa mites. We believe that this physical suffocating = function is enhanced or synergized by the essential oils. 2). Several beekeepers have stated that they have used powdered or = confectioner's sugar in place of granular sugar, or even replaced sugar = with honey; some have also added canola oil to the patties to make them = softer and easier to apply with an ice cream scoop. The bees take these = softer patties more rapidly; and, if made with honey, the essential oils = may enter into the food chain of the bee larvae and thus impair = development of the varroa mites. We plan to try to examine this question = in next year's research. Conversion Factors: (go to the attached file called "measures") About Essential Oils: (go to the attached files, "oils" and "chemical") Safety in Using Essential Oils: (go the the attached file, "safety") Varroa Mite Assessment: You can place a detector board on the bottom of = the hive in combination with patties and a tracking strip to obtain a = count of varroa mites within 24 to 48 hours. In our tests the essential = oils killed more mites than Apistan. We make detector boards by making light wooden frames, a little smaller = that the bottom board area, by stapling thin wooden molding strips at = their corners to 1/8 inch hardware cloth (wire screen); we then cut = "freezer paper" (available in grocery stores in the U.S.; it has large = size, is fairly thick, white and durable) to size, spray one side with = "PAM" (a non-stick spray for frying pans), and then staple it to the = wooden strips on the side opposite the hardware cloth. These can be = assembled in a few minutes at a cost of $2 U.S. or less. Many bee supply = houses provide them at a fairly expensive price. Timing of Treatments:=20 We have found that colonies, heavily infested with varroa mites in = August, September and October, probably can not be saved. The treatments = with grease patties and tracking strips will kill mites, but it is too = late in the season to allow rearing of new, uninfested brood which would = enhance survival of the colony. But, more importantly, even if all = varroa mites are killed after heavy infestation, the bees may still die = from the acute bee paralysis virus, Kashmir virus or other viruses = transmitted earlier by the varroa mites. However, strong, healthy colonies--free of mites in early September, but = later overwhelmed by an influx of lost bees and mites from dying feral = colonies or from untreated neighboring colonies--can be protected and = saved by using the grease patties + essential oils throughout the fall = and winter. Since little or no brood will be available as shelters, the = contact of the grease and essential oils will kill virtually all of the = mites--before they are able to transmit the viruses. We recommend: 1) That grease patties + essential oils (and other = medicaments as desired) be kept on the hives throughout the winter. 2) = That grease patties and essential oils be kept on hives throughout the = rest of the year (be sure no other medicaments are used). 3) When = temperatures are warm enough to allow flight, that colonies be treated = with syrups containing essential oils delivered to the brood area (e.g., = boardman feeders with 1/2 gallon jars). 4) When temperatures are warm = enough to allow flight, that tracking strips be used to administer = essential oils to the bees, especially during honey flows. Recent Findings:=20 In colonies treated with tracking strips at the entrance and grease = patties over the brood chambers, the varroa mites were able to escape = treatment. Displaced nurse bees, which gather under the inner cover, = were used as a hiding place by the mites. We treated this group of bees = and mites by putting a piece of paper towel, treated with canola oil and = winter-green, just under the inner cover. Very few mites were found on = these bees after treatment. The tracking strips and grease patties are lethal to exposed mites = (those on adult bees or walking over frames), but the mites can escape = these treatments by going into brood cells about to be capped. There = were very few mites on adults in treated colonies, but the mites were = reproducing at normal levels in drone cells and worker brood cells = (especially in August and September). The few remaining drone cells had = lots of mites in them (13 Sep 96). We concluded that the essential oils = in tracking strips and grease patties do not enter the food chain = sufficiently to impair mite development. The colonies that were fed syrup with essential oils, in addition to = using tracking strips and grease patties, were virtually free of varroa = mites, without using Apistan. Robbing can be greatly reduced by making an entrance cleat that = surrounds the boardman feeder and provides an entrance at the other end = of the cleat: ___________________________________________________________ | ______________ _____________ | |____| entry |_____________________| feeder |___| Diagram of a wooden cleat made to fit in the entrance of a = hive--dimensions will vary. Large colonies with many supers and lots of space made mite control more = difficult: the treatments were too diluted by the volume of space and = number of dispersed bees. Therefore, we recommend that beekeepers remove = honey supers as soon as possible and reduce colonies to 1 or 2 brood = chambers, at most. In some of our colonies, grease patties containing spearmint oil were = propolized; but not those patties made with wintergreen, tea tree or = patchouli oils. We believe that during the late fall and early winter the varroa mite is = very susceptible to control by essential oils due to the formation of a = cluster and to the lack of brood. By treating hives with the grease = patties (and tracking strips and syrups if weather is warm enough) = containing wintergreen, tea tree and/or patchouli oils, and making sure = the treatments are near the cluster, then the varroa mites will have no = place to hide and all can be killed. (No brood cells will be available = as shelters.) Queens: A potential problem may be that queens on mating flights may = have their pheromone masked or may become somewhat disoriented by = essential oils. We recommend that the essential oil treatments be = removed from the hives when queen rearing and mating is taking place. = Care must be taken to avoid getting canola with essential oil directly = onto the queen. Drones: We found that large numbers of drone cells provide protection to = the varroa mites and are definitely the source of most breeding varroa = mites. Consequently, we recommend that the amount of available drone = cells be kept to a minimum; be sure to remove and replace old comb = containing lots of irregular drone cells. (See the literature for = techniques using periodic drone removal to reduce varroa mites). Comments on Varroatosis:=20 There are two forms of varroatosis (infestation of bee colonies by the = varroa mite): 1) Epidemic Varroatosis: This form of varroatosis occurs when the = disease spreads uncontrolled through feral colonies, and/or through = untreated apiaries in a large area. In this form of the disease, "rapid = development" of varroa mites is seen accompanied by the complex of = ailments known as PMS (parasitic mite syndrome) or bee PMS (see papers = by Shimanuki and Hung), followed by sudden collapse and death of = colonies. What is happening? Dying feral colonies, or dying apiaries, = send forth lost bees that are carrying large numbers of varroa mites. = [Or, robber bees may be picking up large numbers of mites from dying = feral colonies.] Thus a "queenright" colony is suddenly invaded by large = numbers of phoretic, parasitic mites. Under "normal" conditions, the = mites in a colony do not produce huge numbers in just one or two months; = sudden increases in mite numbers are the result of mass influx of bees = and mites deserting dying colonies. At the same time, the mites, coming = from many diverse colonies, have acquired many different pathogens: = agents of sac brood, chalk brood, acute bee paralysis virus, kashmir = virus, Egypt (deformed wing) virus, chronic bee paralysis, etc. The = sudden appearance and spread of these pathogens in a colony produces the = syndrome called PMS. The colony becomes very weak and unable to fend off = common pests such as wax moth, yellow jackets, etc., and the colony = rapidly dwindles and then dies. Epidemic varroatosis was spread into = various centers throughout the U.S. by migratory beekeepers, who were = not aware of the degree of mite infestations nor of the various = pathogens being transmitted. This epidemic varroatosis has thus spread = throughout the U.S. in a series of expanding circles in nearly every = state; the disease reached Bob Noel's colonies in summer 1995, when he = began his research with essential oils. The most dramatic results of = effective research will be evident when applied to colonies suffering = from epidemic varroatosis. 2) Chronic Varroatosis: Once the epidemic has passed (as shown by the = loss of all feral colonies and the loss of all colonies in apiaries that = were not treated), the varroatosis will take its "normal" chronic form: = much slower rate of development of mite populations in hives, which if = left untreated, will eventually succumb in 3 or 4 seasons. Also, very = few of the other virus diseases will be seen, which produced the PMS = symptoms described above. Treatments using Apistan, formic acid, etc., = will prevent the mites from overwhelming colonies. Thus, here in the = U.S., beekeepers will enter the phase that the Europeans have been = experiencing for the past several years. This milder form of varroatosis = causes some beekeepers to erroneously believe that varroatosis is not = such a severe pest of honey bees, and that the terrible scourge that = decimated bee colonies must have been due to other causes. Despite its = less severe expression, chronic varroatosis is an insidious disease = capable of the eventual demise of all European Honey Bee Colonies. Comments on Natural Resistance to Varroatosis:=20 There are many papers in the literature that remark on "bee resistance" = to varroa mites, or on regions and countries where the varroa mite, = although present, is not a problem. We believe that in many of these = cases that essential oils in nectars (and/or pollens?) collected in and = around the colonies had a suppressive effect on varroa mite = reproduction. None of the papers considered the possibility that a = component of the bees' diet (from nectar or pollen) or from propolis may = have adversely affected the development of the varroa mites. A series of = appropriate experiments in Brazil, et al. locations where this was = observed, would be able to determine if this indeed is what causes the = large numbers of "sterile" or non-reproducing varroa mites found in = these colonies. A recent report of varroa mites on Apis cerana in Papua New Guinea = mentions that none have been found in nearby colonies of Apis mellifera, = suggesting that these colonies may have resistance to the varroa mites. = However, we believe that the "jump" made by Varroa jacobsoni from Apis = cerana (its original, natural host) to Apis mellifera may be a = comparatively rare event. Maybe such a jump occurs only once or twice = per decade: perhaps our current varroa mite problem comes to us from a = jump that occurred in Japan last century. This possibility could be = experimentally investigated by performing a series of transfer = experiments--especially one where varroa mites from varroa-infested Apis = mellifera are transferred to these supposedly resistant colonies in an = experimental setting (e.g., on some small Island distant from Papua New = Guinea). Similar experiments should be conducted in Japan and in China = where A. cerana and A. mellifera are artificially sympatric. The possibility of European Honey Bees in the U. S. developing hygienic = behavior to remove mites has been mentioned in several papers. We = believe that the evidence suggests there apparently are no populations = that exhibit this behavior. Our conclusion is based on the fact that = virtually all feral bees have been destroyed by the varroa mite. If = there had been hygienic behavioral types present, they would be evident = by now. We also believe that the Eastern U. S. had considerable = diversity among the formerly immense feral bee populations. For decades = beekeepers bought different kinds of bees originally derived from many = parts of Europe and Central Asia (eg., Italians, Dark Germans, = Carniolans, Caucasian, and many types of hybrids such as Starlines, = Midnights, Buckfast, et al.)--and from these colonies, swarms have = issued all through the eastern U. S. and produced the feral colonies = that were abundant until varroa mite arrived. We believe that the = enormous diversity of these feral colonies throughout the U.S. would = have contained the genes for hygienic behavior, if such genes were = available. But since virtually all feral bees are now gone, it is = apparent that even this extensive diversity was not sufficient to = provide any meaningful resistance to the varroa mite. However, we need = to be alert for the possibility that somewhere, in some corner of the = formerly vast feral populations, one such resistant hygienic colony or = population managed to survive. EPA Exemption of Essential Oils:=20 We learned recently that EPA has exempted certain active ingredients = from the requirements of FIFRA (Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and = Rodenticide Act) including some essential oils; this information can be = found in the Federal Register, Vol. 61, No. 45:8876-8879, Weds., Mar. 6, = 1996 ("Exemption of certain pesticide substances"); materials listed = include cinnamon oil, citronella oil, lemongrass oil, mint and mint oil = [eg., Patchouli oil], peppermint oil, etc. EPA further stated that the = inert substances in Fed. Reg. Vol. 61, No. 45 can be added to the active = ingredients listed in Fed. Reg. Vol. 59, No. 187:49400-49401, Weds., Sep = 28, 1994 ("Inert ingredients in Pesticide Products"), including cloves, = mineral oil, parafin wax, wintergreen oil, etc. The label for exempted = products must list the name and percentage (by weight) of each active = ingredient and the name of each inert ingredient, and must not contain = any false or misleading statements (40 CFR Art. 156.10, 1 July 1994). = Many states require some form of state labeling such as "Attention: this = product is a pesticide which is exempt from federal safety testing = requirements. State registration does not imply safety or efficacy. User = assumes full liability of use." Contact your state pesticide office for = their requirements. Notes about tracheal mites:=20 We checked Bob's colonies for tracheal mites by collecting older = foragers: those that have frayed wings and a bald thorax. We removed = their heads and first pair of legs and examined the tracheal trunks that = are visible inside the resulting cavity (you may need to peel off the = "collar" with forceps on some specimens); infested tracheae could be = seen with a hand lens and were dark spotted or uniformly dark. Results: = in some control colonies (no treatments) 30% had tracheal mites; in = treated colonies, 10% or less had tracheal mites. Since bees are able to = drift considerable distances, we suspect that some of those in our = treated colonies may have come in from other, declining feral colonies = in the neighborhood (a few feral colonies still remain near Cumberland, = but these will probably all disappear by 1997). The older bees give a = more reliable test for the presence and extent of infestation by = tracheal mite. We learned that British beekeepers, up until about 1950, = used a bottle of wintergreen oil (methyl salicylate) with a wick through = the top and placed in the bottom of their hives to control acarine = disease (tracheal mites) (courtesy of David Eyre, Ontario, Canada). We = also learned that Dr. Rennie, around 1919-1925, recommended oil of = wintergreen over the original Frow treatment = (safrol-nitrobenzene-petrol) as a treatment for Isle of Wight Disease = (acarine disease or tracheal mites) (courtesy of Mr. Joe Hemmens, UK). On 23-25 December 1996, four colonies at WVU were examined for tracheal = mite. Exams for tracheal mites were negative in July, August, and = September. The colonies were treated with grease patties and syrups = containing wintergreen and tea tree oil in summer and fall. Eight of 36 = bees on 23 December had tracheal mite (22.2%); eggs, larvae, males and = females were present indicating active development of the tracheal = mites. The sample consisted of live and dead bees from the front of = colonies. Each hive was sampled again on 24 December: Hive 1: 0/19 (0 = %). Hive 2: 3/17 (17.6%). Hive 3: 3/23(13.04%). Hive 4: 6/21 (28.6%). = Overall, the tracheal mite infestation was 20/116 (17.2%) total (20/97 = or20.6% for the three infested hives). Three colonies (1,2,4) were = treated by shaking warm sugar syrup containing dissolved menthol (1 tsp = stock menthol solution per pint) and canola oil (1 tsp/pint) onto the = bees on 30 Dec. 1996: 1/2 pint per cluster (ambient temperature =3D 61 = F.) [provide access here to the file "tm.wpd"] The hives will be = examined in January and February to determine tracheal mite infestation. Experimental Treatment: Menthol + Oil for Tracheal Mite (Acarapis woodi) = Control Useful Equivalents and Measures for Mixing Essential Oils Essential oils used to control mites in honey bees General Safety Considerations for Using Essential Oils Questions or comments please contact: James W. Amrine, Jr. Division of Plant and Soil Sciences,=20 P. O. Box 6108, West Virginia University Morgantown, WV 26505-6108 USA Telephone: 304-293-6023 E-mail: jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message = news:jimisskbhtcrhukj0jmv6rqci0b3q01cem@4ax.com... > >WINTERGREEN OIL, betula oil, sweet birch oil, teaberry oil. No. 5994, = Merck > >Index. Contains: Methyl salicylate; 2-Hydrxybenzoic acid methyl = ester; > >C8H8O3. Mol. Wt. 152.14. Present in leaves of Gaultheria procumbens = L., >=20 > Well OK I stand corrected, however, Thymol in Britain still smelled = just like > that stuff that rugby players rub on themselves and they called it > 'wintergreen' and Americans call it 'Bengay" someone's wrong. >=20 > Also, how do you mix this wintergreen oil in with your syrup? >=20 > C.K. ------=_NextPart_001_0051_01C02341.F85154E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's some good info about essential oil = treatment.  In=20 it you will find that the oils work best when mixed with honey, but will = work=20 with sugar - with some minor problems.  I've put this in = HTML.  I hope=20 you can read it with your news reader.  If not, let me know = and I'll=20 put in as plain text.
 
Mark
 

Results of Research: Using Essential=20 Oils=20 for Honey Bee Mite=20 Control

Mite=20 Control in Honeybees With Essential Oils Main Page
Images=20 from Research | References=20 on Varroa Mites


Jim Amrine, Bob Noel, Harry Mallow, Terry Stasny, Robert = Skidmore
(Last=20 Updated: December 30, 1996)

Contents

Essential=20 Oils have Two Modes of Action
Revised=20 Dosages Used in Experimental Treatments
Notes=20 About Grease Patties
Timing=20 of Treatments
Recent=20 Findings
Comments=20 on Varroatosis
Comments=20 on Natural Resistance to Varroatosis
EPA=20 Exemption of Essential Oils
Notes=20 about tracheal mites
Images=20 from Research

We have found that several essential=20 oils=20 can either kill, or adversely affect varroa mites.

Essential=20 Oils=20 have Two Modes of Action:

1) Toxicity by direct contact:
When varroa mites contact essential=20 oils=20 such as wintergreen,=20 patchouli, tea=20 tree=20 oil,=20 et al., mixed into oil or grease, they are killed on contact--usually = within a=20 few minutes.

2) Impaired reproduction via feeding syrups containing essential=20 oils:
When=20 varroa mites feed on larvae that contain essential=20 oils,=20 their reproduction is interrupted. If the oil is strong enough, the = females are=20 unable to lay eggs. If the oils are in lower concentration, eggs are = layed, but=20 development of immature mites is delayed; young mites do not reach = maturity=20 before the bees emerge from the cell; consequently, the immature mites = die.

Involvement of Essential=20 Oils=20 in Impaired Reproduction of Varroa Mites: Syrup containing the essential=20 oils=20 is fed at the hive entrance or in the broodnest. Many bees feed on the = syrup and=20 pass the essential=20 oils=20 around by trophalaxis (adult bees sharing their food reserves). The = syrup and=20 essential oil is ingested by nurse bees and enters the communal food in = the crop=20 and passes into the milk glands. When the nurse bees feed larvae, the = essential=20 oils=20 are in the bee milk and communal food and are ingested by the larvae. = Thus, when=20 female varroa mites feed on treated larvae or larval food at the bottom = of the=20 cell, they ingest the essential=20 oils=20 which adversely affect their reproduction. The probable mechanism is=20 interference with enzymes=20 in the complex gestation=20 (especially in the production of nutrients=20 and new proteins) of the oocyte=20 and embryo-larva of the varroa mite.=20 Research needs to be conducted to verify this hypothesis and to verify = the=20 presence of the essential=20 oils=20 in bee larvae and ultimately, in the female varroa mites.

Impaired reproduction is not observed when canola=20 oil,=20 mineral=20 oil,=20 or shortening (eg., Crisco, a vegetable lard) containing essential=20 oils=20 are delivered to the hives. The fats and greases do not enter the food = chain as=20 readily as syrups, and the amounts of essential=20 oils=20 ending up in larval food or in the larvae themselves are = inconsequential. Thus,=20 there is no interruption of the development of mite=20 eggs or of immature varroa mites. The mites that directly contact these=20 materials rapidly die; but others are able to escape the essential=20 oils=20 in grease or canola=20 oil=20 by entering cells of mature larvae that are about to be capped, or by = moving=20 onto displaced nurse bees (see below, "Recent Findings") near the top of = the=20 colony, where the grease patties and tracking strips are not placed. We = found=20 that putting paper towels soaked in canola + essential=20 oils=20 in the tops of colonies from July to September, kills the varroa mites = residing=20 on the displaced nurse bees which congregate in the upper supers of = large=20 colonies.

Feeding of sugar syrup with essential=20 oils=20 at the entrance, or in the brood nest, places the essential=20 oils=20 into the food chain and prevents oviposition by female mites or retards = the=20 development of immature mites in capped larval/pupal cells.

We had several colonies that were treated with tracking=20 strips and grease patties only, and we saw resurgence of varroa mites,=20 especially when bee populations were at their peak, lots of brood was = present,=20 and when the bees occupied many supers as well as two brood chambers. = However,=20 we also had several colonies that were treated with the tracking strips = and=20 grease patties, and were continually fed syrup + essential=20 oils=20 at the entrance; in these colonies very few varroa mites were found. = Those few=20 that were found appeared to have come into the colonies on drifting = bees.

Revised Dosages Used in Experimental = Treatments:

1). Syrup: 25 drops (1 cc) of wintergreen or spearmint is added to = one pint=20 of honey (or two cups of sugar (about one pound or 453.6 grams)) in a = quart jar=20 (0.95 liter); hot water is added to fill the jar. We found that more of = the=20 essential oil goes into solution in honey than in sugar syrup; there may = be a=20 natural emulsifier in honey that helps essential=20 oils=20 to stay in solution. When making sugar syrup, we found that we must add = the oil=20 to the granulated sugar then add the very warm water (not too hot or = else the=20 oils will evaporate). We feed the bees as much syrup as they will take; = Bob uses=20 1/2 gallon jars on his entrance feeders. We have had good results with=20 wintergreen, spearmint, rosemary and peppermint oils. We plan to conduct = experiments this fall and winter combining the essential=20 oils=20 with fumadil in syrup to see if the treatments are compatible. See = diagram below=20 for making entrance cleats to eliminate robbing.

Problem: oils mix poorly with water; we have had some reports of a = few bees=20 being killed when they feed on the last dregs of the syrup, above which = lie=20 pools of undissolved, pure oil;--they become completely wetted by the = remaining=20 oil. We are looking for a food based emulsifier which will allow all of = the 1 cc=20 or more of essential oil to go into solution in the syrup without = harming the=20 bees.

2). Grease patties: are made with four cups of granulated sugar, two = cups of=20 shortening (lard of vegetable origin--used for making pastries and = frying fish=20 and chips, etc., eg., Crisco) and one of the following: 21 cc of = wintergreen=20 oil, 21 cc of tea=20 tree=20 oil=20 or 21 cc of patchouli oil; or 11.5 cc of each of any two oils (eg., = wintergreen=20 + tea=20 tree).=20 (This rate is 1/4 oz. (=3D7.4 cc) of essential=20 oils=20 per pound of sugar and grease). The components are thoroughly mixed = (wear gloves=20 or use a mixer or large spoon, as wintergreen oil in such concentrations = may be=20 toxic; patchouli oil and tea=20 tree=20 oil=20 are not toxic through the skin). The mixture is then made up into 4 = ounce=20 patties (like a small, 3.5" hamburger); each patty is then divided and = placed on=20 top of each brood box (about one half pound or 8 ozs. of grease patties = per=20 hive; one batch treats 5.8 hives). We plan to make patties this fall and = winter=20 that also contain teramycin (TM25 or TM50) to determine whether medications=20 can be combined for both mites and foul brood.

3). Tracking strips: are made by cutting sheets or pieces of 1/8 in.=20 plexiglass into strips 3" wide by 14" long (7.5 cm by 35.5 cm ), and = used as a=20 base for holding a treated slurry containing essential oil. The slurry = is made=20 as follows: 17.5 ozs. (2 and 1/5 cups) of canola=20 oil=20 (synonym for rapeseed oil) are mixed with 6.5 ozs. (slightly more than = 4/5 cup)=20 of melted beeswax (ratio is 4:1.5), stirred and set on a hot plate. To = this=20 liquid we add 24 cc’s of wintergreen oil (or 24 cc’s of = tea=20 tree=20 oil=20 or patchouli oil or 12 cc’s of any two oils ). We stir the liquid = well and pour=20 it into three 8 oz. plastic cups. When cooled, the slurry has a = shoe-polish or=20 salve-like consistency. Then, 2 to 3 teaspoons of the slurry are applied = to the=20 tracking strip which is placed lengthwise just inside the front entrance = of each=20 colony. The bees must track through this slurry when they enter or exit = the=20 hive; they then attempt to clean off the slurry and get it onto each = other. When=20 the slurry contacts varroa mites, it kills them. Treatments are repeated = after 5=20 days or so: the old slurry, dead mites and dead, deformed bees are = scraped off=20 and new slurry added. The tracking strips also serve as small mite=20 sampling strips: if varroa mites are present, dead mites (the number = reflecting=20 the size of the population on adult bees) can be found on the strips = about 24 to=20 48 hours after treatment. The number of dead mites on the strips is=20 significantly greater than what it would be due to natural mite=20 mortality. Plexiglass is used for tracking strips because it has a very = smooth=20 finish allowing an even coverage and it is too hard for the bees to chew = up or=20 remove; masonite or other similar material could be used just as = well.

4). Paper inserts at top of hive: For control of varroa mite=20 on displaced nurse bees (see comments above), we use 5.5 cc’s of = wintergreen per=20 cup of canola=20 oil;=20 we put this solution into a honey bear (used as a squeeze bottle) and = apply=20 several lines of wintergreen oil mixture in both directions on a paper = towel so=20 that the towel is saturated; the towel is then placed under the inner = cover or=20 in the upper supers where displaced nurse bees congregate. The bees chew = it up=20 and remove it in a week or so. These are replaced as needed to treat the = varroa=20 mites trying to avoid the other treatments. Be careful! Do not get = the=20 oil-wintergreen mixture directly onto the queen.

Notes About Grease Patties:

1) a recent author stated that grease patties had no adverse effect = on=20 tracheal mites when administered to his colonies; the paper stated that = the=20 patties were purchased commercially. Be certain that the grease patties = you make=20 or buy contain plenty of grease or vegetable oil. It is the free oil or = grease=20 that appears to suffocate tracheal mites and probably also, varroa = mites. We=20 believe that this physical suffocating function is enhanced or = synergized by the=20 essential=20 oils.

2). Several beekeepers have stated that they have used powdered or=20 confectioner’s sugar in place of granular sugar, or even replaced = sugar with=20 honey; some have also added canola=20 oil=20 to the patties to make them softer and easier to apply with an ice=20 cream=20 scoop. The bees take these softer patties more rapidly; and, if made = with honey,=20 the essential=20 oils=20 may enter into the food chain of the bee larvae and thus impair = development of=20 the varroa mites. We plan to try to examine this question in next = year’s=20 research.

Conversion Factors: (go to the attached file called "measures")

About Essential=20 Oils:=20 (go to the attached files, "oils" and "chemical")

Safety in Using Essential=20 Oils:=20 (go the the attached file, "safety")

Varroa Mite=20 Assessment: You can place a detector board on the bottom of the hive in=20 combination with patties and a tracking strip to obtain a count of = varroa mites=20 within 24 to 48 hours. In our tests the essential=20 oils=20 killed more mites than Apistan.

We make detector boards by making light wooden frames, a little = smaller that=20 the bottom board area, by stapling thin wooden molding strips at their = corners=20 to 1/8 inch hardware cloth (wire screen); we then cut "freezer paper" = (available=20 in grocery stores in the U.S.; it has large size, is fairly thick, white = and=20 durable) to size, spray one side with "PAM" (a non-stick spray for = frying pans),=20 and then staple it to the wooden strips on the side opposite the = hardware cloth.=20 These can be assembled in a few minutes at a cost of $2 U.S. or less. = Many bee=20 supply houses provide them at a fairly expensive price.

Timing of Treatments:

We have found that colonies, heavily infested with varroa mites in = August,=20 September and October, probably can not be saved. The treatments with = grease=20 patties and tracking strips will kill mites, but it is too late in the = season to=20 allow rearing of new, uninfested brood which would enhance survival of = the=20 colony. But, more importantly, even if all varroa mites are killed after = heavy=20 infestation, the bees may still die from the acute bee paralysis virus, = Kashmir=20 virus or other viruses transmitted earlier by the varroa mites.

However, strong, healthy colonies--free of mites in early September, = but=20 later overwhelmed by an influx of lost bees and mites from dying feral = colonies=20 or from untreated neighboring colonies--can be protected and saved by = using the=20 grease patties + essential=20 oils=20 throughout the fall and winter. Since little or no brood will be = available as=20 shelters, the contact of the grease and essential=20 oils=20 will kill virtually all of the mites--before they are able to transmit = the=20 viruses.

We recommend: 1) That grease patties + essential=20 oils=20 (and other medicaments as desired) be kept on the hives throughout the = winter.=20 2) That grease patties and essential=20 oils=20 be kept on hives throughout the rest of the year (be sure no other = medicaments=20 are used). 3) When temperatures are warm enough to allow flight, that = colonies=20 be treated with syrups containing essential=20 oils=20 delivered to the brood area (e.g., boardman feeders with 1/2 gallon = jars). 4)=20 When temperatures are warm enough to allow flight, that tracking strips = be used=20 to administer essential=20 oils=20 to the bees, especially during honey flows.

Recent Findings:

In colonies=20 treated with tracking strips at the entrance and grease patties over = the=20 brood chambers, the varroa mites were able to escape treatment. = Displaced nurse=20 bees, which gather under the inner cover, were used as a hiding place by = the=20 mites. We treated this group of bees and mites by putting a piece of = paper=20 towel, treated with canola=20 oil=20 and winter-green, just under the inner cover. Very few mites were found = on these=20 bees after treatment.

The tracking=20 strips and grease patties are lethal to exposed mites (those on = adult bees=20 or walking over frames), but the mites can escape these treatments by = going into=20 brood cells about to be capped. There were very few mites on adults in = treated=20 colonies, but the mites were reproducing at normal levels in drone cells = and=20 worker brood cells (especially in August and September). The few = remaining drone=20 cells had lots of mites in them (13 Sep 96). We concluded that the essential=20 oils=20 in tracking strips and grease patties do not enter the food chain = sufficiently=20 to impair mite=20 development.

The colonies that were fed syrup with essential=20 oils,=20 in addition to using tracking strips and grease patties, were virtually = free of=20 varroa mites, without using Apistan.

Robbing can be greatly reduced by making an entrance cleat that = surrounds the=20 boardman feeder and provides an entrance at the other end of the = cleat:

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Diagram of a wooden cleat made to fit in the entrance of a = hive--dimensions=20 will vary.

Large colonies with many supers and lots of space made mite=20 control more difficult: the treatments were too diluted by the volume of = space=20 and number of dispersed bees. Therefore, we recommend that beekeepers = remove=20 honey supers as soon as possible and reduce colonies to 1 or 2 brood = chambers,=20 at most.

In some of our colonies, grease patties containing spearmint oil were = propolized; but not those patties made with wintergreen, tea=20 tree=20 or patchouli oils.

We believe that during the late fall and early winter the varroa = mite=20 is very susceptible to control by essential=20 oils=20 due to the formation of a cluster and to the lack of brood. By treating = hives=20 with the grease patties (and tracking strips and syrups if weather is = warm=20 enough) containing wintergreen, tea=20 tree=20 and/or patchouli oils, and making sure the treatments are near the = cluster, then=20 the varroa mites will have no place to hide and all can be killed. (No = brood=20 cells will be available as shelters.)

Queens: A potential problem may be that queens on mating flights may = have=20 their pheromone masked or may become somewhat disoriented by essential=20 oils.=20 We recommend that the essential oil treatments be removed from the hives = when=20 queen rearing and mating is taking place. Care must be taken to avoid = getting=20 canola with essential oil directly onto the queen.

Drones: We found that large numbers of drone cells provide protection = to the=20 varroa mites and are definitely the source of most breeding varroa = mites.=20 Consequently, we recommend that the amount of available drone cells be = kept to a=20 minimum; be sure to remove and replace old comb containing lots of = irregular=20 drone cells. (See the literature for techniques using periodic drone = removal to=20 reduce varroa mites).

Comments on Varroatosis:

There are two forms of varroatosis (infestation of bee colonies by = the varroa=20 mite):

1) Epidemic Varroatosis: This form of varroatosis = occurs=20 when the disease spreads uncontrolled through feral colonies, and/or = through=20 untreated apiaries in a large area. In this form of the disease, "rapid=20 development" of varroa mites is seen accompanied by the complex of = ailments=20 known as PMS (parasitic mite=20 syndrome) or bee PMS (see papers by Shimanuki and Hung), followed by = sudden=20 collapse and death of colonies. What is happening? Dying feral colonies, = or=20 dying apiaries, send forth lost bees that are carrying large numbers of = varroa=20 mites. [Or, robber bees may be picking up large numbers of mites from = dying=20 feral colonies.] Thus a "queenright" colony is suddenly invaded by large = numbers=20 of phoretic, parasitic mites. Under "normal" conditions, the mites in a = colony=20 do not produce huge numbers in just one or two months; sudden increases = in mite=20 numbers are the result of mass influx of bees and mites deserting dying=20 colonies. At the same time, the mites, coming from many diverse = colonies, have=20 acquired many different pathogens: agents of sac brood, chalk brood, = acute bee=20 paralysis virus, kashmir virus, Egypt=20 (deformed wing) virus, chronic bee paralysis, etc. The sudden appearance = and=20 spread of these pathogens in a colony produces the syndrome called PMS. = The=20 colony becomes very weak and unable to fend off common pests such as wax = moth,=20 yellow jackets, etc., and the colony rapidly dwindles and then dies. = Epidemic=20 varroatosis was spread into various centers throughout the U.S. by = migratory=20 beekeepers, who were not aware of the degree of mite=20 infestations nor of the various pathogens being transmitted. This = epidemic=20 varroatosis has thus spread throughout the U.S. in a series of expanding = circles=20 in nearly every state; the disease reached Bob Noel’s colonies in = summer 1995,=20 when he began his research with essential=20 oils.=20 The most dramatic results of effective research will be evident when = applied to=20 colonies suffering from epidemic varroatosis.

2) Chronic Varroatosis: Once the epidemic has passed = (as=20 shown by the loss of all feral colonies and the loss of all colonies in = apiaries=20 that were not treated), the varroatosis will take its "normal" chronic = form:=20 much slower rate of development of mite=20 populations in hives, which if left untreated, will eventually succumb = in 3 or 4=20 seasons. Also, very few of the other virus diseases will be seen, which = produced=20 the PMS symptoms described above. Treatments using Apistan, formic=20 acid,=20 etc., will prevent the mites from overwhelming colonies. Thus, here in = the U.S.,=20 beekeepers will enter the phase that the Europeans have been = experiencing for=20 the past several years. This milder form of varroatosis causes some = beekeepers=20 to erroneously believe that varroatosis is not such a severe pest of = honey bees,=20 and that the terrible scourge that decimated bee colonies must have been = due to=20 other causes. Despite its less severe expression, chronic varroatosis is = an=20 insidious disease capable of the eventual demise of all European Honey = Bee=20 Colonies.

Comments on Natural Resistance to = Varroatosis:

There are many papers in the literature that remark on "bee = resistance" to=20 varroa mites, or on regions and countries where the varroa mite,=20 although present, is not a problem. We believe that in many of these = cases that=20 essential=20 oils=20 in nectars (and/or pollens?) collected in and around the colonies had a=20 suppressive effect on varroa mite=20 reproduction. None of the papers considered the possibility that a = component of=20 the bees’ diet (from nectar or pollen) or from propolis may have = adversely=20 affected the development of the varroa mites. A series of appropriate=20 experiments in Brazil,=20 et al. locations where this was observed, would be able to determine if = this=20 indeed is what causes the large numbers of "sterile" or non-reproducing = varroa=20 mites found in these colonies.

A recent report of varroa mites on Apis cerana in Papua=20 New=20 Guinea=20 mentions that none have been found in nearby colonies of Apis = mellifera,=20 suggesting that these colonies may have resistance to the varroa mites. = However,=20 we believe that the "jump" made by Varroa jacobsoni from Apis=20 cerana (its original, natural host) to Apis mellifera may be = a=20 comparatively rare event. Maybe such a jump occurs only once or twice = per=20 decade: perhaps our current varroa mite=20 problem comes to us from a jump that occurred in Japan=20 last century. This possibility could be experimentally investigated by=20 performing a series of transfer experiments--especially one where varroa = mites=20 from varroa-infested Apis mellifera are transferred to these = supposedly=20 resistant colonies in an experimental setting (e.g., on some small = Island=20 distant from Papua=20 New=20 Guinea).=20 Similar experiments should be conducted in Japan=20 and in China=20 where A. cerana and A. mellifera are artificially = sympatric.

The possibility of European Honey Bees in the U. S. developing = hygienic=20 behavior to remove mites has been mentioned in several papers. We = believe that=20 the evidence suggests there apparently are no populations that exhibit = this=20 behavior. Our conclusion is based on the fact that virtually all feral = bees have=20 been destroyed by the varroa mite.=20 If there had been hygienic behavioral types present, they would be = evident by=20 now. We also believe that the Eastern U. S. had considerable diversity = among the=20 formerly immense feral bee populations. For decades beekeepers bought = different=20 kinds of bees originally derived from many parts of Europe=20 and Central Asia=20 (eg., Italians, Dark Germans, Carniolans, Caucasian, and many types of = hybrids=20 such as Starlines, Midnights, Buckfast, et al.)--and from these = colonies, swarms=20 have issued all through the eastern U. S. and produced the feral = colonies that=20 were abundant until varroa mite=20 arrived. We believe that the enormous diversity of these feral colonies=20 throughout the U.S. would have contained the genes for hygienic = behavior, if=20 such genes were available. But since virtually all feral bees are now = gone, it=20 is apparent that even this extensive diversity was not sufficient to = provide any=20 meaningful resistance to the varroa mite.=20 However, we need to be alert for the possibility that somewhere, in some = corner=20 of the formerly vast feral populations, one such resistant hygienic = colony or=20 population managed to survive.

EPA=20 Exemption of Essential=20 Oils:=20

We learned recently that EPA=20 has exempted certain active ingredients from the requirements of FIFRA = (Federal=20 Insecticide, Fungicide and Rodenticide Act) including some essential=20 oils;=20 this information can be found in the Federal=20 Register,=20 Vol. 61, No. 45:8876-8879, Weds., Mar. 6, 1996 ("Exemption of certain = pesticide=20 substances"); materials listed include cinnamon oil, citronella oil, = lemongrass=20 oil, mint and mint oil [eg., Patchouli oil], peppermint oil, etc. EPA=20 further stated that the inert substances in Fed. Reg. Vol. 61, No. 45 = can be=20 added to the active ingredients listed in Fed. Reg. Vol. 59, No.=20 187:49400-49401, Weds., Sep 28, 1994 ("Inert ingredients in Pesticide=20 Products"), including cloves, mineral=20 oil,=20 parafin wax, wintergreen oil, etc. The label for exempted products must = list the=20 name and percentage (by weight) of each active ingredient and the name = of each=20 inert ingredient, and must not contain any false or misleading = statements (40=20 CFR Art. 156.10, 1 July 1994). Many states require some form of state = labeling=20 such as "Attention: this product is a pesticide which is exempt from = federal=20 safety testing requirements. State registration does not imply safety or = efficacy. User assumes full liability of use." Contact your state = pesticide=20 office for their requirements.

Notes about tracheal mites:

We=20 checked Bob’s colonies for tracheal mites by collecting older = foragers:=20 those that have frayed wings and a bald thorax.=20 We removed their heads and first pair of legs and examined the tracheal = trunks=20 that are visible inside the resulting cavity (you may need to peel off = the=20 "collar" with forceps on some specimens); infested tracheae could be = seen with a=20 hand lens and were dark spotted or uniformly dark. Results: in some = control=20 colonies (no treatments) 30% had tracheal mites; in treated colonies, = 10% or=20 less had tracheal mites. Since bees are able to drift considerable = distances, we=20 suspect that some of those in our treated colonies may have come in from = other,=20 declining feral colonies in the neighborhood (a few feral colonies still = remain=20 near Cumberland, but these will probably all disappear by 1997). The = older bees=20 give a more reliable test for the presence and extent of infestation by = tracheal=20 mite. We learned that British beekeepers, up until about 1950, used a = bottle of=20 wintergreen oil (methyl salicylate) with a wick through the top and = placed in=20 the bottom of their hives to control acarine disease (tracheal mites) = (courtesy=20 of David Eyre, Ontario, Canada). We also learned that Dr. Rennie, around = 1919-1925, recommended oil of wintergreen over the original Frow = treatment=20 (safrol-nitrobenzene-petrol) as a treatment for Isle of Wight Disease = (acarine=20 disease or tracheal mites) (courtesy of Mr. Joe Hemmens, UK).

On 23-25 December 1996, four colonies at WVU were examined for = tracheal mite.=20 Exams for tracheal mites were negative in July, August, and September. = The=20 colonies were treated with grease patties and syrups containing = wintergreen and=20 tea tree oil in summer and fall. Eight of 36 bees on 23 December had = tracheal=20 mite (22.2%); eggs, larvae, males and females were present indicating = active=20 development of the tracheal mites. The sample consisted of live and dead = bees=20 from the front of colonies. Each hive was sampled again on 24 December: = Hive 1:=20 0/19 (0 %). Hive 2: 3/17 (17.6%). Hive 3: 3/23(13.04%). Hive 4: 6/21 = (28.6%).=20 Overall, the tracheal mite infestation was 20/116 (17.2%) total (20/97 = or20.6%=20 for the three infested hives). Three colonies (1,2,4) were treated by = shaking=20 warm sugar syrup containing dissolved menthol (1 tsp stock menthol = solution per=20 pint) and canola oil (1 tsp/pint) onto the bees on 30 Dec. 1996: 1/2 = pint per=20 cluster (ambient temperature =3D 61 F.) [provide access here to the file = "tm.wpd"]=20 The hives will be examined in January and February to determine tracheal = mite=20 infestation.

Experimental=20 Treatment: Menthol + Oil for Tracheal Mite (Acarapis woodi) = Control
Useful=20 Equivalents and Measures for Mixing Essential Oils
Essential=20 oils used to control mites in honey bees
General=20 Safety Considerations for Using Essential Oils

Questions or comments please contact:
James W. Amrine, = Jr.
Division of=20 Plant and Soil Sciences,
P. O. Box 6108, West Virginia=20 University
Morgantown, WV 26505-6108 USA
Telephone:=20 304-293-6023
E-mail: jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu

 
"Charlie Kroeger" <ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com> = wrote in message=20 news:jimisskbhtcrhukj0jmv6rqci0b3q01cem@4ax.com...
> >WINTERGREEN OIL, betula = oil, sweet=20 birch oil, teaberry oil. No. 5994, Merck
> >Index. Contains: = Methyl=20 salicylate; 2-Hydrxybenzoic acid methyl ester;
> >C8H8O3. Mol. = Wt.=20 152.14. Present in leaves of Gaultheria procumbens L.,
>
> = Well OK=20 I stand corrected, however, Thymol in Britain still smelled just = like
>=20 that stuff that rugby players rub on themselves and they called = it
>=20 'wintergreen' and Americans call it 'Bengay" someone's wrong.
> =
>=20 Also, how do you mix this wintergreen oil in with your syrup?
> =
>=20 C.K.
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e2j8JtjFcPRwq11dhxT7mk8atvWAFL3pTgNaJK45MGNqveIsQlnBaYEjF42962pb+9rYzra2t83t bnv72+AOt7jHfe2AAAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C02341.F85154E0-- Article 27003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-182-218.phnx.grid.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Retirement of Dr. Bill Wilson, Weslaco, Texas Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:12:03 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <39C7F0A0.2744E888@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b6.da X-Server-Date: 21 Sep 2000 02:01:53 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27003 Now, if only the other "W" from Texas would retire. :( -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 27004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: american bee journal Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:47:31 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8qcph8$kde$1@news.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p210-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27004 does anyone know where i can get an ELECTRONIC version of the journal? i'm particularly keen to get a copy of the (coming) october issue. cheers, mark Article 27005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!xxxx1.sei.cmu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Chris Sauer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: american bee journal Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:53:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <39CA12CD.443A1397@mwci.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8qcph8$kde$1@news.ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27005 All you're going to get online is at http://dadant.com/abj.htm. chris www.greathoney.com m12345 wrote: > does anyone know where i can get an ELECTRONIC version of the journal? i'm > particularly keen to get a copy of the (coming) october issue. > > cheers, mark Article 27006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:26:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 85 Message-ID: <8qdcqk$3ls$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <8q2820$sj2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net> <8q9v6h$i19$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c8b2a2.126110787@news1.radix.net> <39C8C0CE.E608970E@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.173 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 21 16:26:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.173 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27006 In article <39C8C0CE.E608970E@okstate.edu>, Gary Johns wrote: > beekeep wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:18:03 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" > > wrote: > > > > >"beekeep" skrev i en meddelelse > > >news:39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net... > > >> On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:00:23 +0200, "Jorn Johanesson" > > >> wrote: > > >> >Yes they will and the laying workers will not find their way in because > > >they > > >> >are rejected by the other hives.. > > > > > >> Do you have a source to back up that statement? > > > > > >Only my own observations! > > > > > >Normally this handling of a hive with laying workers are done to be possible > > >to introduce a new queen in such a hive. It is impossible to add a new queen > > >to a hive with laying workers, and because it is impossible to find laying > > >workers , the only way to go is to move the hive from the spot, then shuttle > > >all the bees of the all combs, and then bring the hive back with the > > >foundation and combs. The bees will then return to the hive but the laying > > >workers will not find the way back., and a new queen can now be introduced. > > >This is a common way to handle this situation and have been so all the tie > > >I have been beekeeping and long time before that to. > > > > > This too is a totally unscientific statement. How do you know that > > the laying workers aren't there? You can't look at them and tell. > > Perhaps the disturbance and presence of only foundation surpresses > > their laying. Maybe they were the first to go seek shelter by joining > > another hive. When you alter a hive by removing the drawn combs and > > replace them with foundation you also alter the pheramone content of > > the hive. It is those peramones that cause the laying workers to be. > > > > beekeep > > That last statement of yours (pheromones) is what I have difficulty with. How > would you describe the phenomenon of a laying worker in a honey super with a > perfectly good laying queen in the brood boxes below. I had two full supers of > honey one week, the next week when I was ready to pull them I had 1 1/2 supers > and 1/2 super full of drone brood. Mind you this was in June (here in Oklahoma) > with a perfectly good laying queen in the lower brood box and a good honey flow > on. > > gpjohns > > -- This late in the season we just shake out LW hives in front of neighboring hives and store the equip. for next season.But early in the season we would put ripe cells or virgins in a LW hive and expect to find a laying Q 2 weeks later,without shaking out the bees. We run most of our bees in a single deep and several medium supers over an excluder.I assume the bees in the supers consider themselves queenless as they will accept any virgin that flies in thru a crack ,can be used to bank queens ,and will usually start some cells if given some larvae.My question is why laying workers dont develop more often in the supers .This seldom happens in our experience.- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0011.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Retirement of Dr. Bill Wilson, Weslaco, Texas Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:41:33 -0500 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <39C7F0A0.2744E888@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0011.nts-online.net (216.167.131.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969561695 15579974 216.167.131.11 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27007 >Now, if only the other "W" from Texas would retire. :( Shooting ones' self in the foot is usually not considered grounds for retirement. Think of all the jokes you'll be missing? "Is his foot swollen?..Not as much as his friends." etc. etc... C.K. Article 27008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newscore.gigabell.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0011.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Propolis Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:26:46 -0500 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <20000919051748.01648.00000158@ng-fw1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0011.nts-online.net (216.167.131.11) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969560808 16168827 216.167.131.11 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27008 There is a lot of information and discussion from harvesting it to what it's famous for in the archives. Just go there and have a search using: 'propolis' lots of reading. C.K. Article 27009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:31:53 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8qcnt3$lrb$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <8q2820$sj2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net> <8q9v6h$i19$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c8b2a2.126110787@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip111.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969532131 22379 195.249.242.111 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27009 > >"beekeep" skrev i en meddelelse > >news:39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net... > >> On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:00:23 +0200, "Jorn > >workers will not find the way back., and a new queen can now be introduced. > >This is a common way to handle this situation and have been so all the tie > >I have been beekeeping and long time before that to. > > > This too is a totally unscientific statement. How do you know that > the laying workers aren't there? You can't look at them and tell. I am not trying to state anything scientific, just trying to tell how to handle a situation. And as I said this is common pratice, even it might be better just to kill the familily and not waste time on a family set back do to the laying workers.. > Perhaps the disturbance and presence of only foundation surpresses > their laying I think it is more the the distance from broodchamber that triggers the laying workers. I myself is always building out foundation in the honey super and I see normal no laying workers there. Only if I draw up a brood comb to get the bees to take a super with only foundation into use it can happen that I find egs there. My gues is therefor that the laying workers are nurse bees developing into laying workers, and to my best knowlege those have never been out flying. -- multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 Beekeeping ,Queen breeding and Pollen software at http://apimo.dk (USA) mailto:Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!server12-ams1.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jansen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Internship Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: WISH B.V. Message-ID: <969538237.4369@news.l3.wish.net> Cache-Post-Path: news.l3.wish.net!unknown@p10772.nl.wish.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:58:38 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.123.129.69 X-Trace: server12-ams1 969537512 212.123.129.69 (Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:58:32 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:58:32 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27010 Dear Sir/Madam, We're the editors of an agricultural website in the Netherlands called 'Agrarisch Plein' (Agriculture Plaza). At the moment we're looking for internships worldwide for students of higher agricultural education. I want to ask you if you have internships for students, so they can work as an intern in an international organisation. There is a big need after International traineeships by those students. Also I want to ask you if you want to mention our request on your billboard. It is also possible that students from your country are looking for internships in Europe or specific in the Netherlands. You can always take a look at our advertisements on our web page. Because the fact of that we have only the addresses of Dutch High Schools, we also ask you if you have a collection of e-mail addresses of students or schools outside the Netherlands. We would appreciate it if you could send those collections to our company by mail. We could send those students or school a letter, with the request if they are looking for an internship of if they have intern shipments. With kind regards, The editors of Agrarisch Plein http://www.agrarischplein.com Article 27011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!proxad.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "jlongy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: american bee journal Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:18:33 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8qcqm7$mmh$1@wanadoo.fr> References: <8qcph8$kde$1@news.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: "jlongy" NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-239.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 969534983 23249 193.251.26.239 (21 Sep 2000 11:16:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Sep 2000 11:16:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27011 Maybe in the theme "magazines" of the site www.beehoo.com , the world beekeeping directory. JF m12345 a écrit dans le message : 8qcph8$kde$1@news.ihug.co.nz... > does anyone know where i can get an ELECTRONIC version of the journal? i'm > particularly keen to get a copy of the (coming) october issue. > > cheers, mark > > Article 27012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!server12-ams1.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jansen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Internship Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: WISH B.V. Message-ID: <969538214.832951@news.l3.wish.net> Cache-Post-Path: news.l3.wish.net!unknown@p10772.nl.wish.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:58:16 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.123.129.69 X-Trace: server12-ams1 969537489 212.123.129.69 (Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:58:09 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:58:09 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27012 Dear Sir/Madam, We're the editors of an agricultural website in the Netherlands called 'Agrarisch Plein' (Agriculture Plaza). At the moment we're looking for internships worldwide for students of higher agricultural education. I want to ask you if you have internships for students, so they can work as an intern in an international organisation. There is a big need after International traineeships by those students. Also I want to ask you if you want to mention our request on your billboard. It is also possible that students from your country are looking for internships in Europe or specific in the Netherlands. You can always take a look at our advertisements on our web page. Because the fact of that we have only the addresses of Dutch High Schools, we also ask you if you have a collection of e-mail addresses of students or schools outside the Netherlands. We would appreciate it if you could send those collections to our company by mail. We could send those students or school a letter, with the request if they are looking for an internship of if they have intern shipments. With kind regards, The editors of Agrarisch Plein http://www.agrarischplein.com Article 27013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2rubes@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Terramycin in sugar solution? Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:52:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8qe3fg$dr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.147.240 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 21 22:52:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.224.147.240 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2rubes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27013 Hi, just a thought. I am doing vegetable patties with terramycin and I am also going to mix a tsp. with powder sugar (no cornstarch) and sprinkle over the brood nest per information I received off the net. It occurred to me, couldn't I put a tsp. of terramycin in a sugar water solution??? and feed it to them that way? You know they would be ingesting it. What do you think? Big thanks, Janet Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-209-138-165-170-phnx.grid.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Retirement of Dr. Bill Wilson, Weslaco, Texas Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:06:35 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <39C7F0A0.2744E888@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.8a.a5.aa X-Server-Date: 22 Sep 2000 03:56:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27014 In article , ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com wrote: > >Now, if only the other "W" from Texas would retire. :( > > Think of all the jokes you'll be missing? Good point. To wit: The other day Dubya was bitching because Gore still wants to debate for a full ninety minutes. "That WON'T work," Dubya screamed. "I'll debate that guy for an hour-and-a half or not at all!" ps- See http://www.GWBush.com for all the latest on Dubya and his ill fated run for the presidency. (ROTFLMFAO!) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 27015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin in sugar solution? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 22 Sep 2000 04:15:47 GMT References: <8qe3fg$dr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000922001547.26614.00000660@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27015 From: 2rubes@my-deja.com > It occurred to me, couldn't I put a tsp. of terramycin in a sugar >water solution??? and feed it to them that way? You know they would >be ingesting it. As I understand it, the mechanism of protection for the brood, is that the adults get the powder on their mouthparts and thus transfer it to the brood when feeding them. If it's liquid, they may not get the antibiotic where it's needed. Also, terramycin breaks down more rapidly in solution. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Disclaimer: Opinions aren't facts; learn the art of discrimination. Opinions presented for your use and amusement; use at your own risk. Article 27016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 21 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Sep 2000 11:29:38 GMT References: <8qe3fg$dr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Terramycin in sugar solution? Message-ID: <20000922072938.21705.00000153@ng-cc1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27016 >Hi, just a thought. I am doing vegetable patties with terramycin and I >am also going to mix a tsp. with powder sugar (no cornstarch) and >sprinkle over the brood nest per information I received off the net. > It occurred to me, couldn't I put a tsp. of terramycin in a sugar >water solution??? and feed it to them that way? You know they would >be ingesting it. > What do you think? > Big thanks, > Janet > Actually feeding terramycin in sugar/syrup is the most effective way of getting rid of foulbrood. The problem is that terramycin breaks down in water around 48 hours. Thats is why your patties contain crisco, to prevent water absorption. If you have foulbrood by all means feed the syrup mix, but only enough to last two days if your just trying to prevent stick with the patty. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 27017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8q1q48$hlt$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <8q2820$sj2$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c73a87.29826042@news1.radix.net> <8q9v6h$i19$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <39c8b2a2.126110787@news1.radix.net> <8qcnt3$lrb$1@news.inet.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Multiple eggs/cell Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:11:17 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 969627859 204.244.87.96 (Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:04:19 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:04:19 PDT Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27017 Looking at queen behaviour as a base of though, maybe the laying workers are too heavy with eggs to fly. If they are laying, they are not foraging and they may not be able to find the hive location (they forget or they never been out) just a logical reasoning but nobody says bees are logical. Normand Article 27018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Good beekeeping info at this site Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:39:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.121.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 969644367 209.179.121.81 (Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:39:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:39:27 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27018 GrowSearch.com - Search Engine for Farm and Garden http://growsearch.com Check it out! -Jen Article 27019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:18:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8qi72d$l78$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q9on6$9dh$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.184 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Sep 23 12:18:29 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.184 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27019 In article <8q9on6$9dh$1@lure.pipex.net>, "Pamela Buckle" wrote: > > CharlesW wrote in message > news:8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net... > talking about this > > to my grandmother last weekend and she said to put Vicks on it. She is a > > Vicks-aholic and uses it on everything, ? > > Any thoughts, comments, warnings??? > > > Vick has quite another use. If you rub some on the branch where a swarm was > hanging, the bees don't cluster there but join the colony you have put in > the box. Much better than blowing smoke at them, shaking the branch, and all > the other things I used to do. > Also keeps bees off your hands/gloves if you rub a bit on before handling > hive. > Martin. MK UK > Wow! Thanks, Martin. I've been rubbing honey on my hands when handling hives but still got stung a lot. Some hives are worse than others of course. I'll try the Vicks. Also I can see where it would come in handy when we remove a colony from someone's house. BTW, the best thing I've found to alleviate the discomfort after a bee sting is nothing. Just ignore it and go on about our business. The human brain can only handle one thought at a time so if we keep busy thinking of something else we cannot think about the pain or itching following a bee sting. Herb Florida, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dadant selling 4.9 foundation Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:27:16 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.137.206.236 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ic24.net X-Trace: news1-hme0 969715703 212.137.206.236 (Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:28:23 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:28:23 BST Organization: www.ic24.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27020 Barry Birkey wrote in message news:B5D69BC7.67DD%barry@birkey.com... > Greetings - > > I just got the word from Dadant that a decision was made this afternoon to > start producing and selling 4.9mm foundation. They are now accepting orders > and you can expect a 4-6 week delivery time for initial start up. Once the > line is rolling you can expect normal turnover times. > A case where size does matter?? Article 27021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "tjw1f" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Old bee Books Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:39:06 +0100 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: async153-6.nas.onetel.net.uk Message-ID: <39cc697e@news-uk.onetel.net.uk> X-Trace: 23 Sep 2000 09:27:42 GMT, async153-6.nas.onetel.net.uk Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!news-uk.onetel.net.uk!async153-6.nas.onetel.net.uk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27021 I am selling my private collection of beekeeping books. Situated in the UK. About 200 in all, but may split them. Oldest over 200 years. Can send a list, it is in an old format but you can read it in 'Word' My email address is tjw1f@yahoo.com Article 27022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: 23 Sep 2000 05:12:51 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8qhs6j$ftl$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27022 Cool. Thanks for posting the MSDS. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 27023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: 23 Sep 2000 05:29:00 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8qht4s$gkn$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27023 In article , Mark wrote: >I was under the impression that the oils work very well. I'm >basing this mainly on the research at West Virginia University Extension >Service by Jim Amrine, Bob Noel, Harry Mallow, Terry Stasny, and Robert >Skidmore. Their research seems sound and their methods of measuring their >results seem valid. However, the proof is in the pudding as they say. Do >you think that methodology has much to do with the success or failure of the >various oils? I'd really like to hear more on the subject. Research and reality are commonly incongruous. Often, especially with honey bee research, the object is to publish the paper, not to elucidate some significant aspect of honey bee biology. That is sad. The best research tool a beekeeper may use, is information, as another poster stated. Use ALL the information out there, and then extrapolate from the data. Who cares who did the research. I know of some "research" done by some "Academics" that isn't too swift. It will be published too. Why has all the essential oil research died? Wouldn't you agree that if data from research was inconclusive, researchers would stop the research program if they depended on it for their performance criteria? Does a good researcher continue to do research in an area that shows nothing significant statistically? No. He/she does not. That doesn't mean essential oils aren't a good thing, it means that it is hard to show using essential oils is statistically more significant a mite control than not using essential oils. If something works for you as a beekeeper, do it. Just be careful. Use caution and be sensible. Learn the hazarards. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 27024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Good beekeeping info at this site Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:09:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.212.62.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 969718182 209.212.62.46 (Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:09:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:09:42 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27024 Interesting site, but regretfully lots of 404's in the 'search/add URL area. Also no e-mail address to make contact to report the problem! Perhaps you could advise the group if and when corrected? Regards Dave... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Jen" wrote in message news:jPMy5.16065$ks.627919@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > GrowSearch.com - Search Engine for Farm and Garden > http://growsearch.com > > > Check it out! > > -Jen > > Article 27025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bman896@aol.com (Bman896) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Sep 2000 10:17:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Honey Powder Message-ID: <20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27025 Recently I had a request for Honey Powder or Honey Dust. They want to use this in their cosmetics. They can't incorporate the Honey into their lip balms without it seperating. But with the powder they can. Anyone know how to do this? Thanks John Article 27026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Greenland! Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:56:11 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8qig4e$mah$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip16.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969720782 22865 195.249.242.16 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27026 In an attempt to keep the genetic pool intact in the apis melifica melifica ( the European black bee) 6 families was transferred to the south of Greenland in 1951. Those families was only alive in four years. In 1998 and 1999 are transferred 29 families to Greenland and placed around among Greenland sheep keepers. The most north are in Narsarsuaq and the most south are placed in Saputit right south of Nanortalik. It is a three year scientific Project which aim is to see if it is possible to do beekeeping in South Greenland. In the Greenland newspaper Sermitsiak Ivar Silis the 21 of July writes, that Agathe Paviasen sold honey at the sheep holders anniversary in Qarqortoq. Agathe Paviasen , coming from the area around Narsarsuaq, is one of the project hosts. It is mentioned in the article that Agathe in 1999 had a crop of 14kg. The honey was sold at the anniversary in 50g glass for Danish 35kr a glass. it gives a kg price around 100 US. Not that bad I think. Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-200 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "catman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey for sale Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:30:59 -0400 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.161.86.214 Message-ID: <39cccddc_1@news2.one.net> X-Trace: 23 Sep 2000 11:35:56 -0400, 206.161.86.214 Organization: OneNet Communications News Hub Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed.newsreader.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news2.one.net!206.161.86.214 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27027 I'm a beekeeper from n.c. with some honey for sale. It is made from sage and has a light golden color with a very sweet taste.I'm seeing if ther is any kind of market for this out here. If interested let me know. I even put some on ebay ,go check it out. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/BayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=447291691 Article 27028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul.A.Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Formic acid? Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:49:26 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-58-89.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27028 An old (age+beekeping experience) beekeeper has told me that he uses 10% dilute formic acid as a varroa treatment, administering it on soaked cardboard strips which he leaves on the hive floor for some (?) time after the honey flow. I am a novice beekeeper in the UK (Lincolnshire.) Does anyone know if this treatment is: a. effective? b. legal? c. harmful to bees, brood, honey or human health? I'd be grateful for any comments. Thanks and best wishes Paul Bowden Article 27029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Terramycin in sugar solution? Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 04:14:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8qjv30$hcb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8qe3fg$dr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000922072938.21705.00000153@ng-cc1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.180 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 24 04:14:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.180 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27029 > If you have foulbrood by all means feed the syrup mix, but only enough to last two days if your just trying to prevent stick with the patty. A caveat here: If you have a touch of foulbrood -- say a few cells that are still fairly liquid -- feeding OTC in syrup will work for 'most anyone. If you have any more than that and hard scales as well, then clearing it up becomes an expert technique. Strong hives and good weather are needed to make it work, as well as the hand and eye of a careful and experienced observer. If you have AFB, best remove all combs showing signs of the disease and burn or melt them, then treat the remaining bees on the remaining combs. If the season is late, then the hopes for wintering are not good. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!Tele.Dk.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:27:59 +0200 Organization: Tele Danmark Internet Cyberspace Launchpad Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8qjajk$9bu$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip70.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 969747892 9598 195.249.242.70 X-Complaints-To: Department of Written Abuse X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27030 "Paul.A.Bowden" skrev i en meddelelse news:8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com... > the honey flow. I am a novice beekeeper in the UK (Lincolnshire.) Does > anyone know if this treatment is: > a. effective? > b. legal? > c. harmful to bees, brood, honey or human health? Have you seen the Varroa Report on my site? -- Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software full revised and bug tested 20-09-200 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 27031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 05:18:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8qk2q3$lbj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.180 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Sep 24 05:18:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.180 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDallendick Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27031 > An old (age+beekeping experience) beekeeper has told me that he uses > 10% dilute formic acid as a varroa treatment, administering it on > soaked cardboard strips which he leaves on the hive floor for some > (?) time after the honey flow. I am a novice beekeeper in the UK > (Lincolnshire.) Does anyone know if this treatment is: > a. effective? > b. legal? > c. harmful to bees, brood, honey or human health? The method you outlined above does not seem to me to use a sufficient concentration of acid for optimal results, but might have some effect. 65% is more typical. Higher concentrations such as 85% have been used, but they are implicated in queen losses. Be aware that formic acid is a caustic chemical that can blind or maim; stringent safety precautions for handling are de rigeur. You can find a lot of information on using formic acid for treatment of bees against both tracheal and varroa mites at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Formic/ We just purchased two 45 (Imperial) gallon drums and 20,000 Dri-Loc 50 pads, so I plan to feature some photos in my diary (below) next week. This year I hope to illustrate the methods of preparation and application better than I already have, for the benefit those who are permitted to use this method. Since many of this group's readers are in the USA, I should mention for them that use of liquid formic acid for mite control is legal -- as far as I know -- in all the free world and most non-free parts as well, but it is *not* legal in the USA. Recently a proprietary gel delivery method for formic acid was approved for use in in the USA, but I understand there may be problems with delivery and efficacy. The cost is also significantly higher than using the common chemical itself. allen --- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0072.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:50:39 -0500 Lines: 50 Message-ID: <386sss066d5ladotqd71a18jksgt89ojg4@4ax.com> References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <8qk2q3$lbj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0072.nts-online.net (216.167.131.72) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969810643 16384309 216.167.131.72 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27032 >formic acid for mite control is legal -- as far >as I know -- in all the free world and most non-free parts as well, but >it is *not* legal in the USA. You're right about that of course but remember, this is the country that had 'prohibition' against alcohol which so assisted a certain foreign family enterprise out of the olive oil business and into unimagined riches. Now we have the 'war on drugs' which is also doing the same thing again, and also arming the police like the military and wrecking a certain South American country. My point is, these are laws that can't be enforced. That's the game that's always been played. Get caught and you become a participant of one of our fastest growing industries, prisons; get away with it and you're a community leader. Having explained your statement to those that may it 'puzzling,' I would just suggest that anyone in the USA wanting to use formic acid, as say they might in Germany, should inquire at: Betterbee Inc. 8 Meader Rd. Greenwich New York 12834 Fax & info: (518) 692-9669 Order (0800) 632-3379 Who (last I looked) sold the NASSENHEIDER evaporator and possibly the superior HORIZONTAL NASSENHEIDER EVAPORATOR. see: www.weiland-wzb.de It is obvious from seeing the precision design of these units, you will know that the American beekeeper is not going to be 'squeezing' gel packs into them, but what they were designed to use, i.e. 65% formic acid sol. In Herr Weiland's own words he says: "We do not sell the acid. Please ask Mr. Steven from Betterbee for a source. In Germany every beekeeping supplier is selling the ready diluted acid." Best regards- Stefan Weiland Sorry Steven like Voltaire you may have to go and live just across the border. America is a corporation governed country, and you've already broken the law. C.K. Article 27033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0072.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:54:29 -0500 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <8qk2q3$lbj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0072.nts-online.net (216.167.131.72) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969810871 16384309 216.167.131.72 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27033 > Recently a proprietary gel delivery >method for formic acid was approved for use in in the USA, but I >understand there may be problems with delivery and efficacy. The cost >is also significantly higher than using the common chemical itself. You should see what Americans pay for prescription drugs compared to Mexico or Canada..International saps. C.K. Article 27034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0072.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Powder Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:12:06 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <579sss845v70p9ue3kaegiv1td845auq1t@4ax.com> References: <20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0072.nts-online.net (216.167.131.72) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969811928 16636062 216.167.131.72 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27034 >Recently I had a request for Honey Powder or Honey Dust. They want to use this >in their cosmetics. WARNING blatant advertisement I also make a thing called 'honey balm' that is wonderful stuff for human skin and I don't need 'powdered' honey. In fact I use pure extracted and unheated honey. How I mix it with the other ingredients (avocado oil, propolis tincture, vitamin E oil, and best cappings wax) is a 'proprietary secret' of Frankenstein Face, Inc. Try a jar for 25 USD, it will probably last you 4 to 6 months. It taste sweet and smells like honey, and your skin will be soft as a mouses ear. C.K. Article 27035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39CDD18B.507F93B2@zzclinic.net> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 06:03:55 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <8qk2q3$lbj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-lras1-207-228-193-86.clinic.net X-Trace: 24 Sep 2000 05:01:04 -0400, dialin-lras1-207-228-193-86.clinic.net Lines: 12 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!News.Destek.net!dialin-lras1-207-228-193-86.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27035 Allen Dick wrote: > We just purchased two 45 (Imperial) gallon drums and 20,000 Dri-Loc 50 > pads, so I plan to feature some photos in my diary (below) next week. Allen, Who did you purchase it from, what grade is it and how much? Also, do they sell it in smaller quantities? Bill Truesdell Bath, ME If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 27036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!posts0.nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!posts.news.erinet.com!not-for-mail From: "Lance Thacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Honey Powder Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 07:46:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> Organization: EriNet Online Communications - Dayton, OH NNTP-Posting-Host: cd675eee.news.erinet.com X-Trace: DXC=GU;n:EG=E:RL:]83Yo7ZD[1dlOS_eBD?PLfQeOY wrote in message news:20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com... > Recently I had a request for Honey Powder or Honey Dust. They want to use this > in their cosmetics. They can't incorporate the Honey into their lip balms > without it seperating. But with the powder they can. Anyone know how to do > this? > > Thanks John I once ran across a place that made honey cotton candy. They freeze dried the honey into crystals then pulverized them into powder. That's the only way I know how to do it. Lance Article 27037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:28:59 EDT From: Subject: URL Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.202.0.25 X-Trace: 24 Sep 2000 18:26:29 -0500, 198.202.0.25 Lines: 13 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!cisnws.ubalt.edu!UBMAIL!ftekpuentes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27037 fyi: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/book/ joseph in NC (not my book though) Article 27038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!uni-erlangen.de!chico.franken.de!freenet-b!fen!fen.baynet.de!ua843 From: ua843@fen.baynet.de (Adalbert Goertz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees and wildflowers Date: 24 Sep 2000 22:56:20 GMT Organization: Freenet Erlangen-Nuernberg-Fuerth Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8qm0qk$ist$1@freenet-b.fen.baynet.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet-a.fen.baynet.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: freenet-b.fen.baynet.de 969836180 19357 194.95.193.11 (24 Sep 2000 22:56:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@fen.baynet.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Sep 2000 22:56:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27038 Hi: Is there a database which links nectar/pollen flowers to lepidoptera? I like to know which lepidoptera visit marigold/tagetes in Colorado. Same question for Coleoptera and Diptera and Hymenoptera. My "Bees and Wildflower" page is up now at http://www.cyberspace.org/~goertz/beep2.html and I invite your comments/corrections. -- -- ** Adalbert & Barbel Goertz ** ph 719-390-1088 ** Fax 419-730-9013 -- --- retired in Colorado Springs, (Colorado is a state of mind) --- German web hosting/Deutsche Web-Betreuung http://www.cyberspace.org/~goertz/web.html Article 27039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Powder Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 25 Sep 2000 01:10:16 GMT References: <579sss845v70p9ue3kaegiv1td845auq1t@4ax.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000924211016.23730.00000715@ng-ca1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27039 I seem to recall somewhere that powdered honey was made by spraying it onto a steam heated drum that revolved agtainst a scraper. Then the honey was mixed with something to prevent caking. Seems pretty involved and I bet all the real subtle flavor leaves in the air. Tom Article 27040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "jlongy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: World's beekeeping directory : BeeHoo Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:27:31 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8qnn8j$iph$1@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: "jlongy" NNTP-Posting-Host: alyon-102-1-119.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 969891923 19249 193.251.26.119 (25 Sep 2000 14:25:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Sep 2000 14:25:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27040 BeeHoo is the world's beekeeping directory, it indexes more than 1000 bee related sites around the world. You can post your ads on this site. www.beehoo.com will index your site if it is a bee related site. You can send you url to me, if it doesnt appear in our site. www.beehoo.com The world's beekeeping directory. Best regards. JFL Article 27041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Powder Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:19:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8qnqch$lq0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com> <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 25 15:19:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27041 In article <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com>, "Lance Thacker" wrote: > > I once ran across a place that made honey cotton candy. > They freeze dried the honey into crystals then pulverized them into powder. > That's the only way I know how to do it. > Lance, are you sure about this? What is the temperature used to freeze dry? I read somewhere that honey doesn't freeze. People in Siberia were using it for brake fluid for that reason. The procedure you described is how I get propolis powder. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:26:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8qnqqn$mfe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q9on6$9dh$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Sep 25 15:26:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.72 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27042 In article <8q9on6$9dh$1@lure.pipex.net>, "Pamela Buckle" wrote: > > [Vicks] Also keeps bees off your hands/gloves if you rub a bit on before handling hive. > Martin. MK UK Well I tried it, Martin! One of the first bees out popped me on the side of my hand. Of course the bottle we had on hand turned out to be Mentholatum instead of Vicks so one might say that was not a true test. LOL Herb, Florida USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39CF893F.56EEC90A@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Powder References: <20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com> <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> <8qnqch$lq0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:19:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.154 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 969902252 209.248.4.154 (Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:17:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:17:32 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27043 hcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > In article <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com>, > "Lance Thacker" wrote: > > > > I once ran across a place that made honey cotton candy. > > They freeze dried the honey into crystals then pulverized them into > powder. > > That's the only way I know how to do it. > > > > I read somewhere that honey doesn't freeze. People in > Siberia were using it for brake fluid for that reason. > > > Herb Brake fluid?!?! Where did you read that? AL Article 27044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Good beekeeping info at this site Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <851A5.25266$Vu5.912890@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:59:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.121.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 969973188 209.179.121.80 (Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:59:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:59:48 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27044 David, It seems to be working now... Don't know what to tell ya... hehe... :-) -Jen David Eyre wrote in message ... >Interesting site, but regretfully lots of 404's in the 'search/add URL area. >Also no e-mail address to make contact to report the problem! > Perhaps you could advise the group if and when corrected? > Regards Dave... >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The Bee Works. >5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, >Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 >http://www.beeworks.com >705 326 7171. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >"Jen" wrote in message >news:jPMy5.16065$ks.627919@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... >> GrowSearch.com - Search Engine for Farm and Garden >> http://growsearch.com >> >> >> Check it out! >> >> -Jen >> >> > > > Article 27045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:33:05 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8qog18$bb33@news.vtx.ch> References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p37.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27045 We use it here in Switzerland. It is recommended by the federal agricultural service. We use sponge pads in flat plastic difusers with holes you can adjust that are placed on the hive floor. We use 120 ml of 70% formic acid for a treatment. It seem effective, makes many varroas fall. If the result is not sufficient, I back up with Bayvarol strips. Paul.A.Bowden a écrit dans le message : 8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com... > An old (age+beekeping experience) beekeeper has told me that he uses 10% > dilute formic acid as a varroa treatment, administering it on soaked > cardboard strips which he leaves on the hive floor for some (?) time after > the honey flow. I am a novice beekeeper in the UK (Lincolnshire.) Does > anyone know if this treatment is: > a. effective? > b. legal? > c. harmful to bees, brood, honey or human health? > > I'd be grateful for any comments. > > Thanks and best wishes > > Paul Bowden > > Article 27046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39CFEF41.9A6EBD01@flash.net> From: Maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: little honey. what's wrong? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:36:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.104.250.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 969928580 207.104.250.18 (Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:36:20 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:36:20 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27046 hello, everyone: as you will probably will be able to tell I keep bees as hobby. This is my third year of beekeeping. I have two hives that have started from a package. one is Buckfast, and the other is all-American. both have already swarmed once before. Each hive has two Brood supers, and one or two honey supers on top. both hive population is amazingly large. I've also been replacing the queens once a year around April. I live near the coast in Orange county California near a wildlife preserve. We have an ample growth wildflowers march through june, yet for some reason It seems to me that the bees are not interested in going up pulling the foundation out and making extra honey (i.e., for me). I have even changed the foundation into a Rite-Cell Foundation but not too many bees are pulling out the foundation. yesterday I harvested from both hives which was my first (boy was I exited) almost 10 pounds. I know its not much considering what I've seen in the lower two supers, and what I've heard that some hives can make 200+ pounds. last year I was told not to use a screen. the queen just marched right up the supers and laid eggs in the honey supers. I stopped doing that. I also was told to put out sugar syrup to encourage the bees to pull out the foundation. apparently it works, but on the parts below the excluder. I also reduced the entrance to six inches, and used stoller frame spacers in all supers to facilitate easier bee movement. I know that some of you are professionals, or have tons of experience so my questions are if any of you have an idea what I am doing wrong? or if you have any suggestions I can use for next season. I've read in one book (Beekeeping A Practical Guide, by Richard Bonney) he suggests the use of one brood super, a queen excluder and another deep super for harvest. did any of you try this? and did it work. thank you all for your time. Mike Article 27047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39CFEF41.9A6EBD01@flash.net> Subject: Re: little honey. what's wrong? Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <3zSz5.34839$M%3.264771@quark.idirect.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:00:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 969930047 206.130.189.235 (Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:00:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:00:47 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27047 Putting honey supers above a queen excluder 'without' drawn comb is a waste of time. When I have to put foundation into a honey super I leave the queen excluder off for a few days to get the bees up and drawing out the foundation. When you've got lots of bees up, then add the queen excluder and they should stay up and continue working on the super.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Maverick" wrote in message news:39CFEF41.9A6EBD01@flash.net... > hello, everyone: > as you will probably will be able to tell I keep bees as hobby. This is > my third year of beekeeping. I have two hives that have started from a > package. one is Buckfast, and the other is all-American. both have > already swarmed once before. > Each hive has two Brood supers, and one or two honey supers on top. both > hive population is amazingly large. I've also been replacing the queens > once a year around April. I live near the coast in Orange county > California near a wildlife preserve. We have an ample growth wildflowers > march through june, yet for some reason It seems to me that the bees are > not interested in going up pulling the foundation out and making extra > honey (i.e., for me). I have even changed the foundation into a > Rite-Cell Foundation but not too many bees are pulling out the > foundation. yesterday I harvested from both hives which was my first > (boy was I exited) almost 10 pounds. I know its not much considering > what I've seen in the lower two supers, and what I've heard that some > hives can make 200+ pounds. > last year I was told not to use a screen. the queen just marched right > up the supers and laid eggs in the honey supers. I stopped doing that. > I also was told to put out sugar syrup to encourage the bees to pull out > the foundation. apparently it works, but on the parts below the > excluder. > I also reduced the entrance to six inches, and used stoller frame > spacers in all supers to facilitate easier bee movement. > > I know that some of you are professionals, or have tons of experience so > my questions are if any of you have an idea what I am doing wrong? or if > you have any suggestions I can use for next season. I've read in one > book (Beekeeping A Practical Guide, by Richard Bonney) he suggests the > use of one brood super, a queen excluder and another deep super for > harvest. did any of you try this? and did it work. > > > thank you all for your time. > > Mike > Article 27048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1109.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:05:44 -0500 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1109.nts-online.net (216.167.136.218) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969991550 17217237 216.167.136.218 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27048 >where i cld >find them. Well if you lived near me there's a lot of tomato leaves in the backyard. Not many tomatoes with all the heat and dryness we had this summer. This might be something you would want to raise yourself for next year. Tomatoes do well in barrels. Try the: Tomato Growers supply co. P.O. Box 2237 Fort Myers, FL. 33902 You appear to be in NZ by the look of your post . Sorry couldn't find a 'website' in their 2000 catalog. There are hundreds of varieties. It is feasible that tomato leaves from mature plants might put mites off as the leaves are a known source of a natural insecticide called SOLANINE. It would be helpful if you could elaborate on where you heard about this. C.K. Article 27049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1109.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? What's the penalty? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:21:07 -0500 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <8qk2q3$lbj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386sss066d5ladotqd71a18jksgt89ojg4@4ax.com> <39D03E7B.932D0FD9@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1109.nts-online.net (216.167.136.218) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 969992473 16995524 216.167.136.218 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27049 >Hey, thanks in advance for the info, and, feel free to email directly if you don’t >want to post to the newsgroup. > >S.R. Jones >NW Oregon, >USA The thing is to find a reasonably priced source. If people can get cocaine, crack cocaine, marijuana, heroin, meths, or potassium nitrate, what's the big deal with formic acid? I can't tell you the legal ramifications because they probably have not yet been defined in a 'court of law,' which is how these things are done. You probably won't get a 900 year sentence like marijuana sellers in Texas. Just go to your local chemical reagent house and buy the proper solution. Use it like the Europeans, or our Canadian friends. In fact if you live near the Canadian border... The NASSENHEIDER evaporator seems a safe and reasonable way to deal with the hazards of a corrosive liquid, but then you have to be sensible like wearing nitrile gloves and eye protection when handling it. You can keep a record of the results. When the process becomes officially legal in this country, and eventually it will, you can publish your findings on the list. C.K. Article 27050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: little honey. what's wrong? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:37:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 66 Message-ID: <8qp5kq$ak7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39CFEF41.9A6EBD01@flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.174 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 26 03:37:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.174 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27050 In article <39CFEF41.9A6EBD01@flash.net>, Maverick wrote: > hello, everyone: > as you will probably will be able to tell I keep bees as hobby. This is > my third year of beekeeping. I have two hives that have started from a > package. one is Buckfast, and the other is all-American. both have > already swarmed once before. > Each hive has two Brood supers, and one or two honey supers on top. both > hive population is amazingly large. I've also been replacing the queens > once a year around April. I live near the coast in Orange county > California near a wildlife preserve. We have an ample growth wildflowers > march through june, yet for some reason It seems to me that the bees are > not interested in going up pulling the foundation out and making extra > honey (i.e., for me). I have even changed the foundation into a > Rite-Cell Foundation but not too many bees are pulling out the > foundation. yesterday I harvested from both hives which was my first > (boy was I exited) almost 10 pounds. I know its not much considering > what I've seen in the lower two supers, and what I've heard that some > hives can make 200+ pounds. > last year I was told not to use a screen. the queen just marched right > up the supers and laid eggs in the honey supers. I stopped doing that. > I also was told to put out sugar syrup to encourage the bees to pull out > the foundation. apparently it works, but on the parts below the > excluder. > I also reduced the entrance to six inches, and used stoller frame > spacers in all supers to facilitate easier bee movement. > > I know that some of you are professionals, or have tons of experience so > my questions are if any of you have an idea what I am doing wrong? or if > you have any suggestions I can use for next season. I've read in one > book (Beekeeping A Practical Guide, by Richard Bonney) he suggests the > use of one brood super, a queen excluder and another deep super for > harvest. did any of you try this? and did it work. > > thank you all for your time. > > Mike > > -- We have bees in the mtns. of N. CA.(a world away from S. CA.)but 1 deep brood chamber ,an excluder over that, then 3 or 4 medium honey supers works for us.1 super is marked FC (food chamber) and is left on year round.The idea is to keep empty drawn comb right above the brood nest so nectar is moved up quickly ,keeping the brood combs below from getting jammed up and restricting the Q. from laying. In a heavy spring flow like we get from manzanita you will have to work the brood nest every 10 days or so to make sure they arent getting too plugged out and starting cells.We dont have any more swarming doing it this way than when we used 2 deeps for brood.And we always get more honey than we can sell.Hmmm..maybe we should go back to how we used to do it! loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:00:49 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p99-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27051 has anyone heard of this method, and know any of the details, or where i cld find them. cheers, mark Article 27052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D03E7B.932D0FD9@lycosmailNOSPAM.com> From: "S. R. Jones" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? What's the penalty? References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> <8qk2q3$lbj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386sss066d5ladotqd71a18jksgt89ojg4@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Spire Technologies Cache-Post-Path: gaspra.spiretech.com!unknown@h222.agalis.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 60 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:12:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.173.200.229 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 969948770 207.173.200.229 (Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:12:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:12:50 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27052 Okay then, here are some questions that some of the legal types out there might know. What part of formic acid is illegal? Possession? Unapproved use? How illegal is it? A misdemeanor? A felony? Would civil or criminal proceedings take place? What branch of government is responsible for enforcing this? What kind of penalty would a person who knowingly treats their hives with food grade formic acid face? (Assuming they were caught) Nothing? Fine? Jail? Banishment from beekeeping? Is there any sort of loophole that would allow one to legally use Formic? Research? I'm sure someone in the US has tested formic in all its forms...What makes these people so special? Perhaps there could be a large scale trial were "approved" beekeepers supply their own materials (evaporators and formic) and waive of any liable of loss. Hobbyist only? Commercially licensed only? Hey, thanks in advance for the info, and, feel free to email directly if you don’t want to post to the newsgroup. S.R. Jones NW Oregon, USA srjones@lycosmail__N__O__S__P__A__M__.com ---remove the __N__O__S__P__A__M__ to reply Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >formic acid for mite control is legal -- as far > >as I know -- in all the free world and most non-free parts as well, but > >it is *not* legal in the USA. > > ... My point is, these are laws that can't be enforced. That's the game > that's always been played. Get caught and you become a participant of one of > our fastest growing industries, prisons; get away with it and you're a > community leader. > Article 27053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0453.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: little honey. what's wrong? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:05:26 -0500 Lines: 113 Message-ID: <7dq1tscanacqnr919eu88am50uj0mq5jno@4ax.com> References: <39CFEF41.9A6EBD01@flash.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0453.nts-online.net (216.167.132.198) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970005932 16542746 216.167.132.198 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27053 >Each hive has two Brood supers, and one or two honey supers on top. both >hive population is amazingly large. Has it been hot and dry in Orange County this summer? > both have >already swarmed once before. Some bees just like to swarm; but, swarming can also mean they could have used more room earlier on, and started making queen cells when it looked like the space they were in was filling up fast. Remember it takes more than 2 weeks to make a queen cell and get her out there and ready to swarm off. During a heavy nectar flow, a large population of bees can bring in 60 pounds a week. during this time, you need to think ahead and provide plenty of comb or foundation. >We have an ample growth wildflowers That may be but if the weather is dry, they won't be producing any nectar. Besides 'wild flowers' are not always noted for their abundant nectar in warm dry conditions; too short the roots. >march through june, yet for some reason It seems to me that the bees are >not interested in going up pulling the foundation out and making extra >honey Was that in March through June or now? If they're not making comb now it is because it's the end of the season. If they were not making it in March through June there wasn't much nectar. > I have even changed the foundation into a >Rite-Cell Foundation but not too many bees are pulling out the >foundation. I don't know this foundation, is it plastic? If so that stuff I don't care for; it might be OK for a large hive during a heavy nectar flow, they would probably utilize it for comb under those conditions, but I don't see those kind of conditions. >what I've heard that some >hives can make 200+ pounds. It can happen but not much. There are statistics about that if you would care to get an idea of the amounts of honey per hive produced in different states and countries. I don't have a source for that information just now, but the average amounts are modest compared to '200+ pounds.' I read an interesting story once in the ABJ about a Russian beekeeper that had a good flow of nectar every year, but the flow was short lived. To maximize the amounts of honey his bees would store, he would assemble 'giant' hives by uniting several separate hives together, just before the flow. The pictures with the article showed some of his hives standing more than ten feet tall. They had a good enough business that he supported his family and was able to buy a 'Moskvich.' He was also assisting his local Doctor in learning to keep bees to augment his income which wasn't so good under the old USSR system; of course now, he wouldn't be paid at all. Personally I like hearing stories about Doctors going without and having to learn bee wrangling to get by. >the queen just marched right >up the supers and laid eggs in the honey supers. With the population as large as you say, maybe she needed the room. Queens like that are nice to have. Was it the Buckfast or the AA queen, that did this, you didn't say. >my questions are if any of you have an idea what I am doing wrong? It doesn't sound like you're doing much wrong to me, maybe need to add more room when the population is large and nectar is coming in. Maybe you just need better weather, I know I do. > (Beekeeping A Practical Guide, by Richard Bonney) he suggests the >use of one brood super, a queen excluder and another deep super for >harvest. So let's see, pertaining to your hives, does this mean you would have 3 brood chambers, a queen excluder, and a 'deep super' above? If so, I don't see the reasons why that would be significant, excepting maybe the queen would have more room with that third brood chamber. Sounds sensible to me if you have a big nectar flow. Of course you would be extracting honey maybe once every ten days from that one 'deep super;' not an all together unpleasant thought, but a lot of work. Some beekeepers would just add another 'deep super.' When you say 'deep super' I take it this means the 7 inch frames? I don't use queen excluders myself, they seem very 'Victorian' in their purpose. I've never needed them, but I don't see what the big deal is. Is it some kind of dread about getting the odd bee larva in the extracted honey? Besides you're not going to be the kind of beekeeper that extracts honey from frames with brood in them anyway, right? That's a very low class thing to do Mike and I know you wouldn't think of it. >and another deep super for >harvest. If you're referring to the 9 inch frame size, for honey production, they're OK, but..they tend to be more prone to be destroyed by the usual centrifugal forces of honey extraction. Another thing, I take it you are youngish and strong, as boxes full of honey containing 9 inch frames are very heavy. Make sure your bees have plenty of stores for the coming Winter, not that you have much of a Winter in Orange County. Check for mites, this is the time of year mites will start wiping out hives, large and small. Lastly, you may get to see some AHB in your area, so be ready, have a plan. Good luck. C.K. Article 27054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: a_massari@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:40:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8qpjtc$qo4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.199.0.66 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Sep 26 07:40:30 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 http-accelerator-i3:8080 (Squid/2.2.STABLE4), 1.0 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 151.92.2.91, 213.199.0.66 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDa_massari Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27054 In Italy the formic acid isn't legal as a varroa treatment, but for many beekeping is one of the less dangerous for pollution environmental, wax and honey residual and human healts although the queen losses risk. The formic acid is a caustic chemical product and safety precautions for handling are strongly recommended. It is of discreet effectiveness and is used in autumn when the external temperature is under 18 Celsius degree. A sufficient concentration of liquid acid for optimal results, is 15 ml of 80% dilute formic acid, applied at five day interval with a syringe on a absorbing cloth positioning on the below drawer of the beehive. One important shrewdness is open before the beehive small doors completely, close the drawer with graduality and when there isn't spillage of bee close again the small doors. Antony Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!posts0.nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!posts.news.erinet.com!not-for-mail From: "Lance Thacker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com> <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> <8qnqch$lq0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Honey Powder Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:08:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 40 Message-ID: <39d07509$0$35382$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> Organization: EriNet Online Communications - Dayton, OH NNTP-Posting-Host: 07b270f4.news.erinet.com X-Trace: DXC=e1;ZK0>[RDWL:]83Yo7ZD[1dlOS_eBD?PLfQeOY:o^ X-Complaints-To: abuse@erinet.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27055 wrote in message news:8qnqch$lq0$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com>, > "Lance Thacker" wrote: > > > > I once ran across a place that made honey cotton candy. > > They freeze dried the honey into crystals then pulverized them into > powder. > > That's the only way I know how to do it. > > > > Lance, are you sure about this? What is the temperature used to > freeze dry? I read somewhere that honey doesn't freeze. People in > Siberia were using it for brake fluid for that reason. > > The procedure you described is how I get propolis powder. > > Herb ______________________________________________________ BRAKE FLUID!!! Think about it, all honey crystalizes eventually, a fact you would remember as that tree was rushing toward you and the brake peddle wouldn't move. The water in the honey will freeze even if the sugars don't I've never tried it personally but from what I understand, to freeze dry honey you put it in a container that you can draw a vacum on and then freeze it. As the water freezes it turns to gas instead of solid because of the vacum, leaving you with nothing but sugars. I suppose you could try it with a foodsaver container and pump. Lance > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 27056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!news1.tor.primus.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D17D7D.F4C48C9F@globalserve.net> From: M&L White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? References: <8qj53g$6um$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:54:21 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.133.204 X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news1.tor.primus.ca 970019436 209.90.133.204 (Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:50:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:50:36 EDT Organization: Primus Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27056 Here in Canada we have been using Formic Acid starting around 1994. In the past few years testing has been done at the University of Guelph in Ontario in conjunction with Ontario Beekeepers Association, and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, food and Rural Affairs to developed a single application of Formic Acid. Their research came up with this method. You will need 65% Formic acid 1/2 inch Tentest board also known as (Homosote) see your local building supplier or lumber store. 12 inch by 12.4 inch Ziplock vegetable bags. These are perforated with small holes to allow moisture out. 12 inch by 12.4 inch Ziplock freezer bags. 2 of per hive 1/2 inch by 4 inch spacers 1 of per hive A 1 inch spacer to sit on top of your brood chamber to raise up your cover Cut the Tentest board into 8 inch by 9.6 inch and place in the Ziplock vegetable bag. Place the pads in a plastic pail standing on their ends. Add the recommended amount of Formic acid 2.5 Liters for 10 pads or about 250 ml for 1 pad. Seal the pail with a tight lid then after 3 days rotate the pads 180. After 2 days the pads should have absorbed all the acid. Place them still in their vegetable bag in the Ziplock freezer bag. This will seal them until you are ready to use it. Preferred timing for application Spring or Fall. Day time temperature 12 to 25 C. Night time above 7 C. Leave in hive for 15 to 21 days. To apply. Place your two 1/2 inch by 4 inch spacers on the top frames of the brood chamber, pull the pad out of the freezer bag leave in the vegetable bag and place on the spacers. Place your 1 inch spacer on the brood chamber then put your lid back on the hive. Your done. I think the idea is the acid gas is heavier then air ( not sure, I'm not a scientist ) so it should be up in the top chamber. The 1 inch spacer that raises you hive cover reduced the evaporation rate when it is cool. The 1/2 inch spacers the acid boards sit on is to keep it off your frames and to get air circulation around it. The Ziplock vegetable bag regulated the evaporation rate. Good luck Mike Article 27057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:00:55 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 55 Message-ID: <8qtl3b$3ov$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p81.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 970086315 3871 203.96.192.209 (27 Sep 2000 20:25:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Sep 2000 20:25:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27057 Hi Charlie In russia they have Tomatoes that stand up better against the cold. It seems they have somehow "acclimatised" over time. Same in Siberia. I have some seeds which I'm trialling here in our cooler months are you interested in trialling some? If you find extra good info about varroa and tomato leaves please email me thanks carman m12345 wrote in message news:8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz... > > Charlie Kroeger wrote in message > > > You appear to be in NZ by the look of your post > > correct. we have plenty of tomatoes (& varieties) down here too. it wld be > interesting to know if different varieties have different chemical make up, > but that's for study further down the track. > > > It is feasible that tomato leaves from mature plants might put mites off > as > > the leaves are a known source of a natural insecticide called SOLANINE. > > now that's interesting! i guess it wld be good to know if solanine does the > business on mites... but leaves the bees unscathed. > > > It would be helpful if you could elaborate on where you heard about this. > > i heard this from a russian woman. she said they used tomato leaves because > they were so poor they cldn't afford "fancy" miticides such as apistan. mind > u, where they grow tomatoes in russia is beyond me!?!? she also told me that > they use leaves from the plant b4 the fruit ripens. for some reason once the > fruit is red the leaves r no good??? > > unfortunately i have lost contact with the woman so i was hoping that > someone else may have heard of this method. > > cheers, mark > > Article 27058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:34:03 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 57 Message-ID: <8qtqi4$51r$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 970091908 5179 203.96.192.158 (27 Sep 2000 21:58:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Sep 2000 21:58:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27058 Hi Charlie In russia they have Tomatoes that stand up better against the cold. It seems they have somehow "acclimatised" over time. Same in Siberia. I have some seeds which I'm trialling here in our cooler months are you interested in trialling some? If you find extra good info about varroa and tomato leaves please email me thanks carman m12345 wrote in message news:8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz... > > Charlie Kroeger wrote in message > > > You appear to be in NZ by the look of your post > > correct. we have plenty of tomatoes (& varieties) down here too. it wld be > interesting to know if different varieties have different chemical make up, > but that's for study further down the track. > > > It is feasible that tomato leaves from mature plants might put mites off > as > > the leaves are a known source of a natural insecticide called SOLANINE. > > now that's interesting! i guess it wld be good to know if solanine does the > business on mites... but leaves the bees unscathed. > > > It would be helpful if you could elaborate on where you heard about this. > > i heard this from a russian woman. she said they used tomato leaves because > they were so poor they cldn't afford "fancy" miticides such as apistan. mind > u, where they grow tomatoes in russia is beyond me!?!? she also told me that > they use leaves from the plant b4 the fruit ripens. for some reason once the > fruit is red the leaves r no good??? > > unfortunately i have lost contact with the woman so i was hoping that > someone else may have heard of this method. > > cheers, mark > > Article 27059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0528.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:25:36 -0500 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0528.nts-online.net (216.167.133.18) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970097138 17005947 216.167.133.18 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27059 >i heard this from a russian woman. she said they used tomato leaves because >they were so poor they cldn't afford "fancy" miticides such as apistan. Well I'm poor too and I don't like using the fancy miticides anyway. So I think I will try the tomato leaves along with my other mite annoyances of smoke and sticky boards, and thymol in the feeding syrup. Smoke seems to play hell with mites and as long as the bees can stand it one might try burning a few tomato leaves as well. This may nullify the effects of the natural insecticide and kill all the bees, but no job to dirty for a fscking scientist as William Burrows used to say. >mind u, where they grow tomatoes in russia is beyond me!?!? I know that the variety 117 was found in someone's backyard in Moscow. I guess the variety Siberia, speaks for itself. I know for a fact you have to be tough to live in Russia, and probably that goes for growing there too. >she also told me that >they use leaves from the plant b4 the fruit ripens. for some reason once the >fruit is red the leaves r no good??? That would make sense. It's good to know these little details. I'll put it in my data base. It is from these small things that effect the greatest change. (sorry, rhyming...it happens) C.K. Article 27060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0528.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:47:23 -0500 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtqi4$51r$1@news.wave.co.nz> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0528.nts-online.net (216.167.133.18) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970098444 17390351 216.167.133.18 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27060 >Hi Charlie > >In russia they have Tomatoes that stand up better against the cold. Thanks Carmen. In fact I've tried growing some Russian varieties where I am, and it's true about the cold and they don't like the heat. They tend to wilt and curl their leaves during the summer heat and perk up in the fall months with cooler nights and days, that's when they tend to start forming lots of little tomatoes. Unfortunately, it's a race to the first frost. That can come anytime now. Some kind of greenhouse is in my future. I've been trying: Southern Nights (a purplish variety. Tomatoes are kin to egg plant) Black from Tula (another purple variety) Russian 117 (red, fruit looks like pointy plums) Siberian (smallish plant and golf ball size fruit, but tasty, can stand light freezes and set fruit at 40F.) All are Open Pollinators and most 'Indeterminant.' Southern Nights gets very tall and vine like. Black from Tula is a Potato leaf variety I think, and therefore 'Determinant' can't tell as it didn't make it in the heat and dryness of this Summer. Russian 117 is tough and similar to Southern Nights If you don't mind hybrids there's an interesting new variety for early and consequently coolish climates, as I imagine NZ to be. It's called: 'Jetsetter' with an impressive list of built in resistances : 'VFFNTA' (I don't know if you have these classifications in NZ, but that means: V- (1 or 2 Verticillium wilt FF- (1 and 2 Fusarium wilt N- (Nematode resistant) T- (Tobacco mosaic virus; people who smoke should never touch a tomato plant. also called TMU) A-. (Alternaria or ASC a stem canker) It's in the Tomato Growers Supply Co. catalog. (see previous post) There is a variety out there that was supposedly 'developed' by the Air Force to grow in Greenland when they had an air base. (once) Probably an Urban Myth. C.K. Article 27061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:49:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.130.189.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 970105750 206.130.189.246 (Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:49:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:49:10 EDT Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27061 If you're looking for a cheaper alternative treatment try our web site http://www.beeworks.com/EssentialOils/htm It's working for us. A recent natural drop test produced only 22 mites, late season, from a drone mother hive.- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Bee Works. 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia.ON. L3V 6H2 http://www.beeworks.com 705 326 7171. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:asv4ts88k6svrog7d2vtnfra6og1q70bq5@4ax.com... > >i heard this from a russian woman. she said they used tomato leaves because > >they were so poor they cldn't afford "fancy" miticides such as apistan. > > Well I'm poor too and I don't like using the fancy miticides anyway. So I > think I will try the tomato leaves along with my other mite annoyances of > smoke and sticky boards, and thymol in the feeding syrup. > > Smoke seems to play hell with mites and as long as the bees can stand it one > might try burning a few tomato leaves as well. This may nullify the effects > of the natural insecticide and kill all the bees, but no job to dirty for a > fscking scientist as William Burrows used to say. > > >mind u, where they grow tomatoes in russia is beyond me!?!? > > I know that the variety 117 was found in someone's backyard in Moscow. I > guess the variety Siberia, speaks for itself. I know for a fact you have to > be tough to live in Russia, and probably that goes for growing there too. > > >she also told me that > >they use leaves from the plant b4 the fruit ripens. for some reason once the > >fruit is red the leaves r no good??? > > That would make sense. It's good to know these little details. I'll put it in > my data base. It is from these small things that effect the greatest change. > > (sorry, rhyming...it happens) > > C.K. Article 27062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.tele.dk!171.64.14.106!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Robert Talk" From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: super location? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:14:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 970107265 24.27.124.218 (Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:14:25 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:14:25 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27062 We have a hive that has two deep brood boxes on the bottom and a medium super full of honey on top of them. We also have another medium super with empty but fully drawn combs. We want to add this super to our hive (as our bees are still making honey - it's still warm here in Texas). Our question is, where should we put this super? a) on the very top above the other super? or b) as the third box in the stack, i.e. above the upper deep brood box but below the full super? Thanks, Robert http://beetalk.tripod.com Article 27063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: xscd@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees collecting Whole Wheat Flour instead of Pollen Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:29:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8quaee$38l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.59.107.9 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 28 02:21:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.08 (Macintosh; I; PPC, Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.59.107.9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27063 September 27, 2000 Hello-- It has been a very dry year in eastern New Mexico, US. There is very little fall nectar or pollen. Several days ago, I threw some whole wheat flour that was contaminated with beetles/larvae into a compost bin. The next day I was surprised to see honeybees in the compost, eagerly gathering the whole wheat flour (presumably because of the lack of pollen in this area). I became concerned for the health of the bees, and thought that the flour must be a very poor substitute for pollen. I hope that it does no harm to the bees and the larvae they will feed it to. Has anyone else noticed this behavior? Does anyone have any recommendations? Thank you. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Powder Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:37:51 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8qt0nv$uo1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000923061751.14597.00000475@ng-fq1.aol.com> <39cde901$0$35391$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> <8qnqch$lq0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39d07509$0$35382$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.46 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Sep 27 14:37:51 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.46 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27064 In article <39d07509$0$35382$53a6afc1@news.erinet.com>, "Lance Thacker" wrote: > ______________________________________________________ > > BRAKE FLUID!!! Think about it, all honey crystalizes eventually, > a fact you would remember as that tree was rushing toward you and the brake peddle wouldn't move. LOL!! I don't know where I read that about Siberia, but we can find some wierd stuff on the net. Sounded like it would be a sticky mess, even if it didn't freeze. BTW all honey does not crystallize eventually. Tupelo honey does not and there may be others. > The water in the honey will freeze even if the sugars don't > I've never tried it personally but from what I understand, to freeze dry honey you put it in a container that you can draw a vacum on and then freeze it. > As the water freezes it turns to gas instead of solid because of the vacum, leaving you with nothing but sugars. > I suppose you could try it with a foodsaver container and pump. Okay, I did try it with a foodsaver and home chest type freezer. After 24 hours the honey is still liquid. It is very thick of course but no sign of becoming crystals. I agree that it might work, at least in theory, with a more perfect vacuum and much lower temperature. But I think the expense of creating those conditions would make it cost prohibitive for cotton candy. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom Henderson" Subject: Want to buy used extractor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01c02892$b14ca3a0$29f5923f@gateway3> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5 Date: 27 Sep 2000 09:54:19 -0500 Lines: 15 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Thank you, Tom Henderson -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 27066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D2C791.73AC0069@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:22:41 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 970113984 208.235.28.48 (Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:06:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:06:24 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27066 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > >i heard this from a russian woman. she said they used tomato leaves because > >they were so poor they cldn't afford "fancy" miticides such as apistan. > > Well I'm poor too and I don't like using the fancy miticides anyway. So I > think I will try the tomato leaves along with my other mite annoyances of > smoke and sticky boards, and thymol in the feeding syrup. A while back someone in another language was attempting to describe the use of walnut husks & alcohol to combat mites. Ever give that a try Charlie? AL Article 27067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:50:46 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 65 Message-ID: <8quk5j$b7m$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtqi4$51r$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p52.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 970118131 11510 203.96.192.52 (28 Sep 2000 05:15:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Sep 2000 05:15:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27067 Oops sorry about that Charlie I got muddled and thought that it is you that lives in NZ. I've just relised that Mike lives here. Thought Mike might like to try some Russian tomatos in the southern regions to see how they go. Thanks for replying, good to see another keen tomato enthusiast carman Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:cp05tsgu60ilcdf7svtdiah8ehkdd86alc@4ax.com... > >Hi Charlie > > > >In russia they have Tomatoes that stand up better against the cold. > > Thanks Carmen. In fact I've tried growing some Russian varieties where I am, > and it's true about the cold and they don't like the heat. They tend to wilt > and curl their leaves during the summer heat and perk up in the fall months > with cooler nights and days, that's when they tend to start forming lots of > little tomatoes. Unfortunately, it's a race to the first frost. That can > come anytime now. Some kind of greenhouse is in my future. > > I've been trying: > > Southern Nights (a purplish variety. Tomatoes are kin to egg plant) > > Black from Tula (another purple variety) > > Russian 117 (red, fruit looks like pointy plums) > > Siberian (smallish plant and golf ball size fruit, but tasty, can stand light > freezes and set fruit at 40F.) > > All are Open Pollinators and most 'Indeterminant.' Southern Nights gets very > tall and vine like. Black from Tula is a Potato leaf variety I think, and > therefore 'Determinant' can't tell as it didn't make it in the heat and > dryness of this Summer. Russian 117 is tough and similar to Southern Nights > > If you don't mind hybrids there's an interesting new variety for early and > consequently coolish climates, as I imagine NZ to be. It's called: > 'Jetsetter' with an impressive list of built in resistances : 'VFFNTA' (I > don't know if you have these classifications in NZ, but that means: V- (1 or 2 > Verticillium wilt FF- (1 and 2 Fusarium wilt N- (Nematode resistant) T- > (Tobacco mosaic virus; people who smoke should never touch a tomato plant. > also called TMU) A-. (Alternaria or ASC a stem canker) > > It's in the Tomato Growers Supply Co. catalog. (see previous post) > > There is a variety out there that was supposedly 'developed' by the Air Force > to grow in Greenland when they had an air base. (once) Probably an Urban > Myth. > > C.K. Article 27068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lavender Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Sep 2000 07:55:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000928035510.26236.00001225@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27068 I found a local supplier of lavender--has 17 types! Any suggestions as to the best bee-friendly varieties? Buzzylee Article 27069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.germany.net!news-fra.pop.de!ams.uu.net!newsfeed.formus.pl!news.nask.pl!news.uar.net!carrier.kiev.ua!News.EuroCom.Od.UA!not-for-mail From: "New Sound" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.misc,bukovina.commerce.agro,dnepr.commerce.agro,nikolaev.commerce.agriculture,odessa.commerce.agro,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?koi8-r?B?6d3FzSDQwdLUzsXSz9cgIQ==?= Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:51:17 +0400 Organization: DCS-EuroCom ISP Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8qvef9$us7$1@DCS.eurocom.od.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: dp-136.eurocom.od.ua Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: DCS.eurocom.od.ua 970145065 31623 212.15.128.136 (28 Sep 2000 12:44:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eurocom.od.ua NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Sep 2000 12:44:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2417.2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture.misc:11953 sci.agriculture:48606 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27069 ðÒÅÄÐÒÉÑÔÉÅ ÉÝÅÔ ÐÁÒÔÎÅÒÏ× ÉÌÉ ÐÏÔÅÎÃÉÁÌØÎÙÈ ÉÎ×ÅÓÔÏÒÏ× ÄÌÑ ÓÏÚÄÁÎÉÑ ÓÏ×ÍÅÓÔÎÏÇÏ ÐÒÅÄÐÒÉÑÔÉÑ. âÁÚÁ - 6,5 ÔÙÓ. 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Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Beeswax Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:01:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.129.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 970153295 204.186.129.113 (Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:01:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:01:35 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27070 Hope you all had a great honey year! We are looking for light to medium colored, raw beeswax. We are paying $ 1.50 lb outright or you can trade it on supplies. You can ship small lots to us directly or if you are in our delivery area we will even pick it up. If you have any questions give us a call or email us. Thank You! Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 www.draperbee.com draperb@ptd.net Article 27071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees collecting Whole Wheat Flour instead of Pollen Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:44:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 57 Message-ID: <8qvlgd$3rs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8quaee$38l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.192 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Sep 28 14:44:32 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.192 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27071 In article <8quaee$38l$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, xscd@my-deja.com wrote: > September 27, 2000 > > Hello-- > > It has been a very dry year in eastern New > Mexico, US. There > is very little fall nectar or pollen. > > Several days ago, I threw some whole wheat > flour that was > contaminated with beetles/larvae into a > compost bin. > > The next day I was surprised to see honeybees > in the compost, > eagerly gathering the whole wheat flour > (presumably because > of the lack of pollen in this area). I became > concerned for > the health of the bees, and thought that the > flour must be a very > poor substitute for pollen. I hope that it > does no harm to > the bees and the larvae they will feed it to. > > Has anyone else noticed this behavior? Does > anyone have any > recommendations? > > Thank you. > As you say, the flour may be a poor substitute for pollen but to the bees it's probably better than nothing. I would guess that whole wheat flour has a lot of the same things found in pollen - AMINO ACIDS (PROTEIN) + 35 grams pollen per day can satisfy human protein requirements; CARBOHYDRATES FATTY ACIDS FATS & OILS VITAMINS ENZYMES & COENZYMES MINERALS Note: Pollen contains all 28 minerals that are found in the human body. The flour probably doesn't have all of them, but I don't see how it could hurt the bees. In other words my recommendation is that they probably know what they are doing. Sincerely, Herb (born in Santa Fe, NM; now in FL) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D36C59.9C01B902@flash.net> From: Maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: little honey. what's wrong? References: <39CFEF41.9A6EBD01@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:06:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.214.180.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 970157218 207.214.180.153 (Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:06:58 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:06:58 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27072 Thank you to all the friends that have replied to my questions. I appreciated every one of your replies. Sincerely, Mike Article 27073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:48:16 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p37-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27073 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message > You appear to be in NZ by the look of your post correct. we have plenty of tomatoes (& varieties) down here too. it wld be interesting to know if different varieties have different chemical make up, but that's for study further down the track. > It is feasible that tomato leaves from mature plants might put mites off as > the leaves are a known source of a natural insecticide called SOLANINE. now that's interesting! i guess it wld be good to know if solanine does the business on mites... but leaves the bees unscathed. > It would be helpful if you could elaborate on where you heard about this. i heard this from a russian woman. she said they used tomato leaves because they were so poor they cldn't afford "fancy" miticides such as apistan. mind u, where they grow tomatoes in russia is beyond me!?!? she also told me that they use leaves from the plant b4 the fruit ripens. for some reason once the fruit is red the leaves r no good??? unfortunately i have lost contact with the woman so i was hoping that someone else may have heard of this method. cheers, mark Article 27074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul.A.Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:54:21 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8r043u$l11$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-173-104.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27074 I'm sending this reply publicly, so that other more experienced and knowledgeable beekeepers can tell you if what I (new to the craft) am saying is wrong. But I think that you need to work pon the basis that bees tend to colonise UPwards; therefore, presuming that your first super is almost full, I would say that you need to place the empty one ON TOP. Best wishes Paul Bowden Lincolnshire, UK "Robert Talk" wrote in message news:5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com... > We have a hive that has two deep brood boxes on the bottom and a medium > super full of honey on top of them. We also have another medium super with > empty but fully drawn combs. We want to add this super to our hive (as our > bees are still making honey - it's still warm here in Texas). Our question > is, where should we put this super? > a) on the very top above the other super? or > b) as the third box in the stack, i.e. above the upper deep brood box but > below the full super? > > Thanks, > Robert > http://beetalk.tripod.com > > > Article 27075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: foam on honey Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:57:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8r0ame$839$2@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000919085756.17669.00000079@ng-fa1.aol.com> <20000919172952.17063.00000580@ng-ca1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 970173966 8297 62.136.6.8 (28 Sep 2000 20:46:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Sep 2000 20:46:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27075 "Hk1BeeMan" wrote in message news:20000919172952.17063.00000580@ng-ca1.aol.com... > I usually just let it go into the last jar and keep this one for my own use. A man after my own heart - waste not, want not! Article 27076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.icl.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:55:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 68 Message-ID: <8r0amd$839$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 970173965 8297 62.136.6.8 (28 Sep 2000 20:46:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Sep 2000 20:46:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27076 I wish that I had said that. I really do! I was about to say that we are talking about completely different substances here. Oil of wintergreen was used in the UK in the early part of the century against acarine (or tracheal mites, if you must); the method was to put a small bottle of the oil with a wick into the hive so that the oil evaporated. Often a piece would be cut out of the dummy board so that the bottle could stand on the floor. Oil of thyme contains thymol, which can be obtained as a white crystalline substance. I think that it is the thymol crystals which is of the most use to us in the fight against varroa. It was first used by beekeepers as an anti-fungal agent to prevent the spoilage of sugar syrup (thymol does not dissolve in syrup - it must first be dissolved in alcohol and this solution then added to the syrup). There are reports that bees fed for the winter on syrup with thymol suffered from less chalk brood. I have now been using thymol crystals since discovering varroa in the autumn of 1997 and posted the following to this group in July of this year: "I have used thymol before/after the honey flow combined with oxalic acid drip treatment in November exclusively for the three years since first finding varroa. Thymol (1 teaspoonful) is placed in an old honey jar lid resting on the queen excluder and is topped up weekly for 4 weeks. Oxalic 60g, water 1 litre, sugar 300g is dripped at the rate of 5cc per seam of bees. Until last week when I found half a dozen on the screen under one hive, I have been unable to find any varroa this year; all other screens were clear." My method of using thymol was based on research in Spain and reported in Bee Biz (they used watch glasses rather than old honey jar lids!) which I discovered when looking for alternatives to using persistent miticides. I obtained some thymol, put one small crystal in a petri dish with two live mites and put the lid on it; without contacting the crystal, the mites suddenly started spinning around in circles and then quickly expired! I was convinced. However, I have since added the oxalic acid treatment in November as it seems to be a good idea to knock the mites off the adult bees when they are going into winter and have very little brood because mite levels will then remain below the damage threshold right through until the following August when thymol can be applied after removing the honey crop - i.e. there is no real need for a spring treatment (although it will be useful against chalk brood). This strategy still appears to be working well, costs very little and is extremely quick, easy and safe to apply. Chalk brood has certainly reduced and average crops based on autumn count have remained in the 60-70lbs per colony range, i.e. well above the UK average; they would be higher if I had the time to manage the colonies better (esp. swarm control), but at the moment the day job takes priority! "Mark" wrote in message news:rtby5.627$Q_2.28261@news2.giganews.com... > Just some info for you. > > WINTERGREEN OIL, betula oil, sweet birch oil, teaberry oil. No. 5994, Merck > Index. Contains: Methyl salicylate; 2-Hydrxybenzoic acid methyl ester; Article 27077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!bignews.mediaways.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting stung ... Trac. Mites Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:55:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 68 Message-ID: <8r0ajn$1ka$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8q59du$ijn$1@news.jump.net> <8q7tgd$jqc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 970173879 1674 62.136.6.8 (28 Sep 2000 20:44:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Sep 2000 20:44:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27077 I wish that I had said that. I really do! I was about to say that we are talking about completely different substances here. Oil of wintergreen was used in the UK in the early part of the century against acarine (or tracheal mites, if you must); the method was to put a small bottle of the oil with a wick into the hive so that the oil evaporated. Often a piece would be cut out of the dummy board so that the bottle could stand on the floor. Oil of thyme contains thymol, which can be obtained as a white crystalline substance. I think that it is the thymol crystals which is of the most use to us in the fight against varroa. It was first used by beekeepers as an anti-fungal agent to prevent the spoilage of sugar syrup (thymol does not dissolve in syrup - it must first be dissolved in alcohol and this solution then added to the syrup). There are reports that bees fed for the winter on syrup with thymol suffered from less chalk brood. I have now been using thymol crystals since discovering varroa in the autumn of 1997 and posted the following to this group in July of this year: "I have used thymol before/after the honey flow combined with oxalic acid drip treatment in November exclusively for the three years since first finding varroa. Thymol (1 teaspoonful) is placed in an old honey jar lid resting on the queen excluder and is topped up weekly for 4 weeks. Oxalic 60g, water 1 litre, sugar 300g is dripped at the rate of 5cc per seam of bees. Until last week when I found half a dozen on the screen under one hive, I have been unable to find any varroa this year; all other screens were clear." My method of using thymol was based on research in Spain and reported in Bee Biz (they used watch glasses rather than old honey jar lids!) which I discovered when looking for alternatives to using persistent miticides. I obtained some thymol, put one small crystal in a petri dish with two live mites and put the lid on it; without contacting the crystal, the mites suddenly started spinning around in circles and then quickly expired! I was convinced. However, I have since added the oxalic acid treatment in November as it seems to be a good idea to knock the mites off the adult bees when they are going into winter and have very little brood because mite levels will then remain below the damage threshold right through until the following August when thymol can be applied after removing the honey crop - i.e. there is no real need for a spring treatment (although it will be useful against chalk brood). This strategy still appears to be working well, costs very little and is extremely quick, easy and safe to apply. Chalk brood has certainly reduced and average crops based on autumn count have remained in the 60-70lbs per colony range, i.e. well above the UK average; they would be higher if I had the time to manage the colonies better (esp. swarm control), but at the moment the day job takes priority! "Mark" wrote in message news:rtby5.627$Q_2.28261@news2.giganews.com... > Just some info for you. > > WINTERGREEN OIL, betula oil, sweet birch oil, teaberry oil. No. 5994, Merck > Index. Contains: Methyl salicylate; 2-Hydrxybenzoic acid methyl ester; Article 27078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39D3B255.305442C0@flash.net> From: Maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rhubarb leaves as an alternative to Varroa Control Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------16207048AED8AD43171D0A9E" Lines: 38 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:05:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.104.250.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 970175132 207.104.250.27 (Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:05:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:05:32 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27078 --------------16207048AED8AD43171D0A9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As some of you raised the subject of Tomato Leaf Treatment /Formic acid treatment for varroa treatment in prior conversations, and since I also read that other studies attempted to treat with Oxalic acid I can't stop but wonder if any of you attempted to use Rhubarb leaves as an alternative treatment to control Varroa! since Oxalic acid is a natural toxin in Rhubarb leaves (that's why they say to never eat Rhubarb leaves). has anyone done/thought of such a treatment? thanks Mike --------------16207048AED8AD43171D0A9E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As some of you raised the subject of  Tomato Leaf  Treatment /Formic acid treatment for varroa treatment in prior conversations, and since I also read that other studies attempted to treat with Oxalic acid I can't stop but wonder if any of you attempted to use  Rhubarb leaves as an alternative treatment to control Varroa! since Oxalic acid is a natural toxin in Rhubarb leaves (that's why they say to never eat Rhubarb leaves).
has anyone done/thought of such a treatment?

thanks
Mike
  --------------16207048AED8AD43171D0A9E-- Article 27079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:01:12 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 68 Message-ID: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p110.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 970187154 28770 203.96.192.110 (29 Sep 2000 00:25:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Sep 2000 00:25:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27079 Greetings All I received the following today and thought i'd forward it here. Any thoughts? and check out the interesting piece about copper at the end. regards, Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:44 AM Subject: Shortcomings in Anti-Varroa Treatment > Shortcomings of Anti-Varroa Methods - Eliane Noirot > Published in the NZ beekeeper May 98 > > Time to dig out the old magazines and have a look at this article as we > discuss the merits of prophylactic treatment of hives going into > Kiwifruit. However with all the sugar feeding that goes on during > pollination, there may be another way. > > This could be out of date but it might be worth a member of the KPA > Emailing Eliane for more information and the exact dosage and spread the > word around > 1. Pesticides. > These treatments present, in addition to the shortcoming just mentioned, > other serious inconveniences. Acaricides as well as their residues are > dangerous for bees and beekeepers and they pollute honey and pollen by > their deposit in these products. M'Diaye and Bounias (29, 30) have > proven that Fluvalinate and Amitraze, rather popular pesticides, > although often advised (52) and proclaimed harmless (59), do, on the > contrary, poison the bees in an alarming way. Their physiological state > becomes sub-lethal and incompatible with work demanding great energy. > Foraging may thus become impossible and, as a consequence, the decrease > or disappearance of their pollination activity may endanger the survival > of plants. The effects of two acaricides, Amitraze and Fluvalinate, is > biphasic, small doses producing more serious damage than large ones (a > rather disquieting discovery!). The toxicity of acaricides has been > proven but not their efficiency. The studies dealing with this topic > have only shown that their effects on Varroa are limited ("at fork"): > part of the parasites survive because they rapidly become resistant to > the pesticide by transforming it biochemically (45, 46, 47). The > chemists must therefore continuously find new formulae. On the market, > the appearances of Folbex (bromopylate in fumigenic paper), Anti~Varroa > "Schering" (Amitraze), Pdrizin "Bayer", Klartan, Apitof and Apistan > (tissues impregnated with Fluvalinate) have rapidly succeeded one > another. Several beekeepers deplore their inefficiency like, for > example, Jean-Prost (21, 22) did for the use of Amitraze. > > 7. Feeding contaminated bees with organic cupric salts. > An anti~Varroa method, much more subtle than all the other ones, has > been designed and tested (in the laboratory and on the field) bv > Popeskovic and Bounias (17, 37, 40). Appropriate doses of copper > sulphate or, even better, of copper gluconate are added to the hive's > food. A \'arroa absorbing the heamolymph of a bee or a drone nourished > in this way, is asphyxiated within some days. Indeed, Varroa's > respiration is assured by external membranes (peritrenies) and by > particular cells (haemocyanins) transporting the oxygen to its whole > organism. Copper salts "block" these cells' activity and are harmless > for the bees because their respiration is assured by a tracheal system. > The toxicity, of copper sulphate is virtually absent for bees provided > that their diet is sufficiently rich in pollen. If not, they will > stiffer from a slight excess of sugar in their heimolymph (5, 6, 7, 34, > 35). Bees fed with copper gluconate apparently do riot suffer at all, > they are, on the contrary, in a physiological state of "hormesis" (33), > favouring longevity and protecting, against intoxication by Amitraze, > Fluvalinate and probably also by other pesticides (7, 36, ")7). > Article 27080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0609.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:36:07 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <5g38tssqm83ti5f3phfi0o9c0bvva85i7k@4ax.com> References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0609.nts-online.net (216.167.133.99) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970198572 17592703 216.167.133.99 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27080 >If you're looking for a cheaper alternative treatment try our web site >http://www.beeworks.com/EssentialOils/htm Cheaper than tomato leaves? C.K. Article 27081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0609.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:43:11 -0500 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6k38ts42la25fu14jk61asurnp8evfc4vu@4ax.com> References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <39D2C791.73AC0069@midwest.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0609.nts-online.net (216.167.133.99) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970198994 17395078 216.167.133.99 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27081 >walnut husks & alcohol to combat mites Can't say that I have. But..why not. A good source for ground walnut shells would be those bullet reloader suppliers. They sell bags of ground walnut shells to use in brass tumblers. I take it the hulls absorb the alcohol and then release it slowly, something like that. Both ingredients are pretty cheap, I'll keep it in mind. C.K. Article 27082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0609.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: super location? Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:53:58 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3348tsch6oia5tif0j1sojua1sbmch3abh@4ax.com> References: <5QxA5.21464$WK6.347027@typhoon.austin.rr.com> <8r043u$l11$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0609.nts-online.net (216.167.133.99) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970199642 17407727 216.167.133.99 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27082 >I would say that you need to place the empty one ON TOP. I would agree with that simply because I prefer a slacking approach to beekeeping, and would find any other way tedious and too much effort. I do know from reading that there are Victorian diehards out there, that insist on always putting the empty super atop the brood chamber, so the bees don't have so far to go I suppose. From what I've noticed, bees don't care about work, but they don't like their hive torn up to add a new super. C.K. Article 27083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0609.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rhubarb leaves as an alternative to Varroa Control Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:12:42 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <39D3B255.305442C0@flash.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0609.nts-online.net (216.167.133.99) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970200765 17571539 216.167.133.99 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27083 >Rhubarb leaves as an >alternative treatment to control Varroa! since Oxalic acid is a natural >toxin in Rhubarb leaves (that's why they say to never eat Rhubarb >leaves). Hi Mike, the only question that comes to mind when I read your query was that it seems to me the big advantage to tomato leaves versus rhubarb is that the tomato leaves are quite volatile of their natural insecticide and that would be the important factor for it's effectiveness. Tomato leaves would be put in the hive where the bees could 'tromp' all over them and release a steady odor of tomato vines. >that's why they say to never eat Rhubarb leaves I've heard that too. Still I ate a lot rhubarb pies when I lived in Britain. Rhubarb would be a hard plant to come by on the high plains of texas. Swiss chard we can do, and Lambs quarter, both abundant in oxalic acid. C.K. Article 27084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "m12345" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rhubarb and/or tomatoes as an alternative to Varroa Control Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:36:28 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8r1k9b$m48$1@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <39D3B255.305442C0@flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p346-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27084 hi charlie et al., Charlie Kroeger wrote in message > >Rhubarb leaves as an > >alternative treatment to control Varroa! since Oxalic acid is a natural > >toxin in Rhubarb leaves (that's why they say to never eat Rhubarb > >leaves). i'm so glad u raised this. i know that some euro beekeepers dribble oxalic acid off the top bars to kill varroa, but that it can only be done when there is NO brood to get up to 95% efficiency kill rate. if there is ANY brood (such as we have in nthn NZ all year) then the efficiency decreases dramatically. that pissed me off 'coz i have 2 big healthy rhubarb crowns growing in my back yard. oh well, i'll just have to be content with rhubarb pie/sponge/etc.!!! back to tomatoes. further investigation shows the russians use the whole plant, but it must be uprooted/used b4 the fruit ripens (ie. turns red). the plant can also be dried for use in the "off season". the methodology is to lay some of the plant between each & every box in the hive structure, plus some under the roof/hive mat. the plants shld be changed once per month during regular hive visits. the sartonin(sp.???) given off by the plant is enuff to zap the mites but leaves the bees alone. does this alll sound feasible??? cheers, mark Article 27085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: 29 Sep 2000 13:01:11 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8r23qn$8ad$0@63.68.70.60> References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <39D2C791.73AC0069@midwest.net> <6k38ts42la25fu14jk61asurnp8evfc4vu@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.70.60 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27085 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:43:11 -0500, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >>walnut husks & alcohol to combat mites > >Can't say that I have. But..why not. A good source for ground walnut shells >would be those bullet reloader suppliers. They sell bags of ground walnut >shells to use in brass tumblers. I take it the hulls absorb the alcohol and >then release it slowly, something like that. Both ingredients are pretty >cheap, I'll keep it in mind. > >C.K. I don't think they mean the shells. When the nut falls off the tree the shell is surrounded by a fleshy husk. Blank walnut husks (don't know about english walnuts) have a fairly strong oder (my wife doesn't like it) and turn black. You can make a pretty good wood stain from them. Does the type of walnut husk matter? What is the method for preparing the mix and applying it? -Tim Article 27086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Message-ID: <39d49774.174741562@west.usenetserver.com> References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <39D2C791.73AC0069@midwest.net> <6k38ts42la25fu14jk61asurnp8evfc4vu@4ax.com> <8r23qn$8ad$0@63.68.70.60> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 27 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:21:40 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:22:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27086 Its the husk .. it has a natural insecticide On 29 Sep 2000 13:01:11 GMT, tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) wrote: >On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:43:11 -0500, Charlie Kroeger > wrote: > >>>walnut husks & alcohol to combat mites >> >>Can't say that I have. But..why not. A good source for ground walnut shells >>would be those bullet reloader suppliers. They sell bags of ground walnut >>shells to use in brass tumblers. I take it the hulls absorb the alcohol and >>then release it slowly, something like that. Both ingredients are pretty >>cheap, I'll keep it in mind. >> >>C.K. > >I don't think they mean the shells. When the nut falls off the tree >the shell is surrounded by a fleshy husk. Blank walnut husks (don't >know about english walnuts) have a fairly strong oder (my wife doesn't >like it) and turn black. You can make a pretty good wood stain from >them. > >Does the type of walnut husk matter? What is the method for preparing >the mix and applying it? > >-Tim Article 27087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A Rapid Field & Laboratory Method to Detect Varroa jacobsoni Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:07:52 -0400 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.209 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.209 Message-ID: <39d4a15c_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 29 Sep 2000 10:04:12 -0500, 64.208.65.209 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.209 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27087 Greetings! The below link pertains to "A Rapid Field & Laboratory Method to Detect Varroa jacobsoni " Old news for some, but maybee of interest to those that did not read the article ,printed in the bee journal. http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/fieldtest.htm Regards, Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 27088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Rhubarb leaves as an alternative to Varroa Control Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:13:45 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 75 Message-ID: <8r282m$ag8$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <39D3B255.305442C0@flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-53.endostatin.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C029F5.918AE860" X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 970236822 10760 62.136.92.181 (29 Sep 2000 14:13:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Sep 2000 14:13:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27088 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C029F5.918AE860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The strength of the oxalic acid solution is critical and using rhubarb = leaves without being able to determine the strength of the solution = could be very dangerous to the bees. Using oxalic acid as the dihydrate = gives proper control. "Maverick" wrote in message = news:39D3B255.305442C0@flash.net... As some of you raised the subject of Tomato Leaf Treatment /Formic = acid treatment for varroa treatment in prior conversations, and since I = also read that other studies attempted to treat with Oxalic acid I can't = stop but wonder if any of you attempted to use Rhubarb leaves as an = alternative treatment to control Varroa! since Oxalic acid is a natural = toxin in Rhubarb leaves (that's why they say to never eat Rhubarb = leaves).=20 has anyone done/thought of such a treatment?=20 thanks=20 Mike=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C029F5.918AE860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The strength of the oxalic acid = solution=20 is critical and using rhubarb leaves without being able to = determine the=20 strength of the solution could be very dangerous to the bees.  = Using oxalic=20 acid as the dihydrate gives proper control.
"Maverick" <aldimasi@flash.net> wrote in = message=20 news:39D3B255.305442C0@flash.ne= t...
As=20 some of you raised the subject of  Tomato Leaf  Treatment = /Formic=20 acid treatment for varroa treatment in prior conversations, and since = I also=20 read that other studies attempted to treat with Oxalic acid I can't = stop but=20 wonder if any of you attempted to use  Rhubarb=20 leaves as an alternative treatment to control Varroa! since = Oxalic acid=20 is a natural toxin in Rhubarb leaves = (that's why they say to never eat Rhubarb = leaves).=20
has anyone done/thought of such a treatment?=20

thanks
Mike
 

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C029F5.918AE860-- Article 27089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!News.EuroCom.Od.UA!not-for-mail From: "New Sound" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.misc,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: The company looks for partners or investors Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:28:11 +0400 Organization: DCS-EuroCom ISP Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8r2j3t$ej3$1@DCS.eurocom.od.ua> NNTP-Posting-Host: dp-131.eurocom.od.ua Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: DCS.eurocom.od.ua 970248125 14947 212.15.128.131 (29 Sep 2000 17:22:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eurocom.od.ua NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Sep 2000 17:22:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2417.2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.agriculture.misc:11954 sci.agriculture:48682 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27089 sci.agriculture.fruit:3769 sci.agriculture.poultry:26066 sci.agriculture.ratites:1665 PROPOSAL The company looks for partners or potential investors for to creation joint venture. Base - 6,5 thousand hectares and according infrastructure. The activity planned: 1.Plant - breeding 2.Processing grain crop (mills,churns,compounds). 3.Cattle - breeding (breed cattle,processing meat). 4.Poultry farming (breed and processing poultry). Our adress: Ukraine, Odessa region ( 60 kilometres from Odessa). Tel/fax. +38 0482 225250 Tel/fax. +38 0482 686697 Tel/fax. +38 0482 698141 E-mail fom@eurocom.od.ua Article 27090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: varroa control : tomato leaves Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:56:42 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8r2oe0$k4g$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8qpags$23f$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8qtfcd$j4a$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <39D2C791.73AC0069@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-13.curium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 970253568 20624 62.136.67.141 (29 Sep 2000 18:52:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Sep 2000 18:52:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27090 "AL" wrote in message news:39D2C791.73AC0069@midwest.net... > A while back someone in another language was attempting to describe the > use of walnut husks & alcohol to combat mites. ---------------------------------------------------- Green almond husks were suggested some time ago, but I have not heard (as far as I recall) of using walnut husks; are you sure that it was walnuts? One of our members tried the almond husks but had no success. Article 27091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:01:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-13.curium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 970253571 20624 62.136.67.141 (29 Sep 2000 18:52:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Sep 2000 18:52:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27091 "Carman" wrote in message news:8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz... > > 7. Feeding contaminated bees with organic cupric salts. > > An anti~Varroa method, much more subtle than all the other ones, has > > been designed and tested (in the laboratory and on the field) bv > > Popeskovic and Bounias (17, 37, 40). Appropriate doses of copper > > sulphate or, even better, of copper gluconate are added to the hive's > > food. A \'arroa absorbing the heamolymph of a bee or a drone nourished > > in this way, is asphyxiated within some days. Indeed, Varroa's > > respiration is assured by external membranes (peritrenies) and by > > particular cells (haemocyanins) transporting the oxygen to its whole > > organism. Copper salts "block" these cells' activity and are harmless > > for the bees because their respiration is assured by a tracheal system. > > The toxicity, of copper sulphate is virtually absent for bees provided > > that their diet is sufficiently rich in pollen. If not, they will > > stiffer from a slight excess of sugar in their heimolymph (5, 6, 7, 34, > > 35). Bees fed with copper gluconate apparently do riot suffer at all, > > they are, on the contrary, in a physiological state of "hormesis" (33), > > favouring longevity and protecting, against intoxication by Amitraze, > > Fluvalinate and probably also by other pesticides (7, 36, ")7). ------------------------------------------- Citation would be useful - there is someone in the UK selling cupric salts for varroa treatment. I would be interested to hear if there is any contamination of honey (or wax) - blue honey might not sell too well! Article 27092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!poster!not-for-mail From: "Gérard BELLE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: French site Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:01:19 +0200 Organization: . Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8r2vup$2v8$1@news1.skynet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup58.namur.skynet.be X-Trace: news1.skynet.be 970261273 3048 195.238.8.58 (29 Sep 2000 21:01:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@skynet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Sep 2000 21:01:13 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27092 Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is a French site concerning beekeeping ? Thanks! Article 27093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: mcalpineds@aol.com (McAlpineDS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Sep 2000 21:21:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: A bee hive or two needed in Lincoln California Message-ID: <20000929172130.22218.00000444@ng-fi1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27093 Acreage needs pollinators in exchange for permenant residence. Any offers? Dan Article 27094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? What's the penalty? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:32:19 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 52 Message-ID: <39D50A62.128CCBAB@NOSPAMims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27094 "S. R. Jones" wrote: >What kind of penalty would a person who knowingly treats their hives with >food >grade formic acid face? (Assuming they were caught) > Nothing? > Fine? > Jail? > Banishment from beekeeping? Willing to face jail for your bees? That's a dedicated beekeeper! > >S.R. Jones >NW Oregon, >USA Here’s my take on why we, in the USA, aren’t supposed to use formic acid in a beehive: (Correct me if I’m wrong.) If we are putting a foreign substance in a beehive, it must be registered with the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency). I guess this doesn’t apply if the substance is defined as a “food”, otherwise we would be hearing this same stuff regarding essential oil treatments. The EPA doesn’t actively look for things that will work well. They wait for a company to come to them with a “product” and a truckload of money. They then test the product, and if it passes, register it. Note that it is the “product” that is registered and not the “substance”. With this registration, the company can then sell its’ product. It must be labeled for a specific use (for whatever they paid to test it on). The label states that it is a violation of Federal law to use it otherwise. (Sometimes the exact same “substance” is in different “products” and they are each labeled differently.) With formic acid, it has only been registered as a gel-pack product. Nobody is going to pay to have generic formic acid registerd because there would be no return on their investment. Therefore, generic formic acid is not EPA registered for use as a miticide in beehives. The only problem with all this is the EPA didn’t check with the bees. Formic acid is a naturally occurring substance in honey. (This then raises the questions; Is formic acid a foreign substance in a beehive? Is it a food?) Paul (Who understands that the EPA has good intentions, but they can sure get things tangled in a knot at times.) -also in NW Oregon Article 27095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail From: "Fr-Athanasios" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:05:11 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.100.115.168 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 970268051 209.100.115.168 (Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:54:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:54:11 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27095 "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > Citation would be useful - there is someone in the UK selling cupric salts > for varroa treatment. I would be interested to hear if there is any > contamination of honey (or wax) - blue honey might not sell too well! Dear Mr. Edwards, Is this "cupric salt" what we call in Greece "blue rock" that it is diluted in water and sprayed on the grape vines? And how it is used in the hives? Thank you for your reply, Fr. Athanasios Wisconsin, USA Article 27096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0828.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:45:56 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <27aats0jipe4n84d115u5h3cced7eda7gv@4ax.com> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8r2oe3$k4g$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0828.nts-online.net (216.167.135.192) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970271164 17634953 216.167.135.192 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27096 >Is this "cupric salt" what we call in Greece "blue rock" >that it is diluted in water and sprayed on the grape vines? I suspect in the case of grape vines you're fighting fungus, mites in the beehive would be a different thing. Cupric salt is even more tricky IMO than formic acid; it is also a powerful and effective treatment for preserving wood. How would you keep that out of the honey and wax? C.K. Article 27097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0828.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French site Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:53:37 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <8r2vup$2v8$1@news1.skynet.be> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0828.nts-online.net (216.167.135.192) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970271624 17253067 216.167.135.192 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27097 There's a guy named Jean-François at jlongy@cybercite.net he has built a web site devoted to bee links recently published on this list: >BeeHoo is the world's beekeeping directory, it indexes more than 1000 bee >related sites around the world. >You can post your ads on this site. >www.beehoo.com will index your site if it is a bee related site. >You can send you url to me, if it doesnt appear in our site. Anyway, he's French. C.K. Article 27098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mi.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey Trush" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Big Money, Little Effort Lines: 133 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <_iaB5.14753$hD4.3989953@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:18:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.178.44.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mi.home.com 970273082 24.178.44.56 (Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:18:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:18:02 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27098 At first I thought this thing was a "scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. 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All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSESARE CORRECT.** Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $625.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will really work . Article 27099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Formic acid? What's the penalty? Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:22:50 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 60 Message-ID: <39d531ed.192816230@news1.radix.net> References: <39D50A62.128CCBAB@NOSPAMims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p39.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27099 On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:32:19 -0700, Paul Petty wrote: >"S. R. Jones" wrote: > >>What kind of penalty would a person who knowingly treats their hives >with >food >>grade formic acid face? (Assuming they were caught) >> Nothing? >> Fine? >> Jail? >> Banishment from beekeeping? >Willing to face jail for your bees? That's a dedicated beekeeper! > >> >>S.R. Jones >>NW Oregon, >>USA > >Here’s my take on why we, in the USA, aren’t supposed to use formic acid >in a beehive: (Correct me if I’m wrong.) > >If we are putting a foreign substance in a beehive, it must be >registered with the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency). I guess this >doesn’t apply if the substance is defined as a “food”, otherwise we >would be hearing this same stuff regarding essential oil treatments. > >The EPA doesn’t actively look for things that will work well. They wait >for a company to come to them with a “product” and a truckload of >money. They then test the product, and if it passes, register it. Note >that it is the “product” that is registered and not the “substance”. > >With this registration, the company can then sell its’ product. It must >be labeled for a specific use (for whatever they paid to test it on). >The label states that it is a violation of Federal law to use it >otherwise. (Sometimes the exact same “substance” is in different >“products” and they are each labeled differently.) > >With formic acid, it has only been registered as a gel-pack product. >Nobody is going to pay to have generic formic acid registerd because >there would be no return on their investment. > >Therefore, generic formic acid is not EPA registered for use as a >miticide in beehives. > >The only problem with all this is the EPA didn’t check with the bees. >Formic acid is a naturally occurring substance in honey. (This then >raises the questions; Is formic acid a foreign substance in a beehive? >Is it a food?) > >Paul (Who understands that the EPA has good intentions, but they can >sure get things tangled in a knot at times.) >-also in NW Oregon > > Actually we don't have it available here because if we scew up and get hurt we go to a lawyer instead of a doctor. Nobody wants the liability. beekeep Article 27100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0828.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small swarm on 9-27-00 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:38:18 -0500 Lines: 13 Message-ID: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0828.nts-online.net (216.167.135.192) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 970277904 17746865 216.167.135.192 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27100 Just for the public record, I was called out for a small swarm (about two cups of bees with a queen) on 9-27-00. This would be a personal record for late swarms in Amarillo, Texas. Altitude 3600ft. (1097m) a day after a morning with a freezing temperature. Incidently I posted a similar note regarding an extraordinarily early swarm (in April) when I recovered a fairly large swarm. (maybe 4 pounds) This was at a time when many nights still had close to freezing temperatures. This was also a record for an early swarm. Both in one season. What does it all mean? C.K. Article 27101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:10:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8r3i2d$vm1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.149 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Sep 30 02:10:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.149 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27101 M'Diaye and Bounias (29, 30) have > > proven that Fluvalinate and Amitraze, rather popular pesticides, > > although often advised (52) and proclaimed harmless (59), do, on the > > contrary, poison the bees in an alarming way. Their physiological state > > becomes sub-lethal and incompatible with work demanding great energy. > > Foraging may thus become impossible and, as a consequence, the decrease > > or disappearance of their pollination activity may endanger the survival > > of plants. > > > > > This statement is hard to swallow.If anyone thinks this is true,they should walk through a California almond orchard in full bloom. If anything will hurt pollenation activity,it is a failure to control varroa by the use of ineffective treatments,whatever those may be. > > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 27102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: loggermike Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- Varroa treatments Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:12:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8r3i5o$vn0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8r0nii$s32$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.149 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Sep 30 02:12:11 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; ezn-ie5-r77-32) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.16.67.149 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDloggermike Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:27102 M'Diaye and Bounias (29, 30) have > > proven that Fluvalinate and Amitraze, rather popular pesticides, > > although often advised (52) and proclaimed harmless (59), do, on the > > contrary, poison the bees in an alarming way. Their physiological state > > becomes sub-lethal and incompatible with work demanding great energy. > > Foraging may thus become impossible and, as a consequence, the decrease > > or disappearance of their pollination activity may endanger the survival > > of plants. > > > > > This statement is hard to swallow.If anyone thinks this is true,they should walk through a California almond orchard in full bloom. If anything will hurt pollenation activity,it is a failure to control varroa by the use of ineffective treatments,whatever those may be. > > -- loggermike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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There are loads of French sites - unsurprisingly, since beekeeping is so much more deeply ingrained in French rural life. I'm away from my home computer at the moment, so can't immediately access the list, but try: http://www.apiculture.org or the newsgroup: fr.rec.apiculture The first is a really good site rune by Les ruchers du prieuré de Nidauzel with lots of links. Do by all means get back to me if I forget to post the further info that I know I've got. Best wishes Paul "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:ojaats05dngk4h7lh1jttt33449buhmct5@4ax.com... > There's a guy named Jean-François at jlongy@cybercite.net he has built a web > site devoted to bee links recently published on this list: > > >BeeHoo is the world's beekeeping directory, it indexes more than 1000 bee > >related sites around the world. > >You can post your ads on this site. > >www.beehoo.com will index your site if it is a bee related site. > >You can send you url to me, if it doesnt appear in our site. > > Anyway, he's French. > > C.K.