SrI:
Dear List Members :
The nonoverlapping Magisteria and the empirical
nature of science are
excellent topics for intellectual discussions
. They are taking us haltingly
towards the summit of accumulated insights
enshrined in the revelations of
the Vedic seers .
The Vedic and Upanishadic insights in to
Creation and the origin of the Universe
is more appealing to me in its grand sweep and
universality . The Unification
theory they provide is grand enough that
satisfies me .
V.Sadagopan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] Darwin theory & God
It is difficult to accept that micro-evolution, which is more of the
nature of controlled mutations in the labs is a proof of evolutionary theory.
Secondly, similarities are not proof of common ancestry though it is one
possibility. In any case, there is no substantial evidence to show that
chemicals automatically assembled in to self-replicated biological structures
that we call life today. There is an investigation in to transgerity and if
the researchers are successful, they may be able to explain how inorganic
chemicals assembled in to organic chemicals and then in to self-replicating
biological structures. If old age disease and death can be stopped, it will
prove that these events have a physio-chemical basis rather than any
metaphysical connotation.
It still cannot prove that life has no spiitual basis because spirit by
definition is an ontologically distinct entity that escapes empirical
trials. But these events IF they happened will definitely
weaken the case of vedanta and other religious denominations.
"M.K. Krishnaswamy" <krishnaswamy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Devotees,
In this context, members may like to read
the the following two articles by (the late) Stephen Jay Gould,
scientist in Theory of Evolution, appealing for coexistence of the religious
and scientific belief systems:
An extract:
"Since every one of us must reach some decisions
about the rules we will follow in conducting our own lives, and since I trust
that nobody can be entirely indifferent to the workings of the world around
us, all human beings must pay at least rudimentary attention to both
magisteria of religion and science.
The magisteria will not fuse; so
each of us must integrate these distinct components into a coherent view of
life. If we succeed, we gain something truly "more precious than rubies", and
dignified by one of the most beautiful words in any language:
wisdom." (magesteria = authoritative teachings)
Dasan
krishnaswamy m k
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:12
AM
Subject: [RamanujaMission] Digest Number
468
Message:
9 Date: Sat,
16 Apr 2005 19:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Badri Veera
<rugveera@xxxxxxxxx> Subject:
Re: darwin theory - God
Dear Vaishnavas: I think it is a
unnecessary controversy that we as Vaishnavas should abstain from. In the
United states, the Christian fundamentalists are opposed to Darwinian
evolution due to the nature of the church-laity relationship. Indic religion
is very exploratory and it should remain an inquisitive no-holds-barred type
of inquiry in order to further human understanding of nature. The
scientific evolution does not prohibit the existence of God and I do not see
any reason to tie the two together. Further, evolution of species is not
a theory in a conventional sense. It has been rationally demonstrated to be
the case through countless archaelogical and bio-genetic studies.
Additionally, science claims consciousness is nothing but a
bunch of clever computer programs that have evolved over millions of years.
So, the birth and death of species is nothing but the death of these programs
and cells. hmm. enough of my spheeel! Also, this forum may
not be even be the right place to discuss this. Finally, the
spiritual quest for understanding God and the non-emotional purely-rational
scientific pusuit of understanding nature are best kept in seperate
compartments. Regards Badri
Veeraraghavan
vinod sv <winode_sv@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
!!srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha!! !!srI krishNa parabrahmaNE
namaha!! !!srImAn nArAyaNa charaNau saraNam prapadyE!!
dear
vaishNavAs,
Unfortunately in the modern society, every one
talks about science with half knowledge. If you ask an athiest why do
not you care for God, he responds that science has already found how
different beings are developed, God is not responsible for our creation.
If science has really proved evolution theory, then there is a rational
reason why people do not believe in religions. However it is notable that
Darwin's evolutionary theory is not accepted completely within the
scientific communities itself, and there are many basic deficiencies in
that theory to be accepted as a fact.
To speak about the evolution
of life, one should have proper understanding of what life is, what birth
is, and what death is. Unfortunately there is no idea of any of these
terms in the scientic literature. The reader of this article can check in
www.google.com or any search
website to find the definition of life. The author fortells the result of
such a trial, that science factually doesnot know what life
is. They(scientists) have some idea of symptoms of life (like growth,
reproduction,...., but miss the most essential feature consciousness), but
they do not have a comprehensive understanding of life as a whole.
Without even knowing what life is, many scientists claim that they
know how life has evolved. There are many other flaws in this theory and
will not stand in the test of time. Many such theories will come and
go, but the truth of life is best explained in Vedas in a comprehensive
manner. Unfortunately, the academic books and half knowledged science
teachers are teaching darwin theory as a fact rather than a
theory. Please save your self and your children from false propaganada.
Please donot lose faith on God based on some theories of flaws.
dAsOham, srIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa
vinOd.
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