Dear Sri Krishna : It is not clear whether you are
asking a question or
making a declarative statement . It sounds more
like the latter .
Nithya granthams , Urdhva PuNDra dhAraNam as a part
of Pancha SamskArams
for the AarAdhanam of BhagavAn ( Lord Raamachandra
and His ancestors worshipping
Lord RanganAtha at AyOddhi ) . I fail to see how
one can perform AarAdhanam at one's
home or at Temples by adhikAris without Urdhva
PuNDrams on their forehead whehter
they ar BrahmaNAs, KshathriyAs et al . Saathina
Mudali ( those having the sacred thread
or SaatthAtha Mudali ( without the sacred thread )
can perform Bhagavadh AarAdhanam
prescribed by AchAryAs . All of them are VaishnavAs
.
The thought that it is not specifically mentioned
in Srimadh RaamAyaNam
does not suggest that they did not wear Urdhva
PuNDram befititgn their
lakshaNam as VaishNavAs .
I do not understand the thrust of
your statements .
V.Sadagopan
Moderator
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:41
AM
Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] Origin of
Vishitadvaitham
Dear Bhakthas,
Followers of Vishnu are called as Vishnavas. And a vishnava could be a
brahmin, Kshtarya, or Vysya. To my knowledge nowhere in Ramayana,
Mahabharatha, or in Vishnu Purana a single mention of Srivishnava is
mentioned. These being the great epics and running in volumes has no mention
of Srivishnava brahmin but one will come across mention of mearly vishnava
brahmin. Lord Rama and Lord Krishna who were Vishnavas never had Srivishnava
Namam on their fore-head. If Srivishnavism existed in the days of Rama then
atleast single mention of it would have been made in the Ramayana. We all
know Rama had come across so many different catagories of people existing
at that time in his journey from north to extreme south. It is very clear that
Srivishnavism was not there during Rama and Krishna Days. Srivishnavism must
have been started some time later. In Hindu culture most of the great people
are very modest that they do not claim there authorship or finding and
Srivishnavism is one of them.
Adiyen Krishna Ramanuja dasan
Sampath Kumar Padmanaban
<janasampath@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Srimathe
Ramanujaya Namaha Srimath Varavara Munaye Namaha
In one of the
e-mail chains related to the origin of Hebbar Iyengars, one of our
members Sri.Krishna has mentioned that Swamy Ramanuja was the founder
of SriVaishnavism. Sri.Krishna has also mentioned that Swamy Ramanuja
made advaita into vishitadvaita.
> Before Ramanuja there was only
Vishnavism, and the > philosophy existed was only Advita. Sri
Ramanuja > made advita into Vishista-advita also called as >
qualified advita or qualified monoism.He made > Vishnavism into
Srivishnavisam by giving a place to > SRI also known as Godess
Lakshmi. Acharya Ramanuja > is the founder of Srivishnavism
Sect.
I beg to defer with Sri.Krishna.
Smt.Sumitra Varadarajan
replied to this aspect and adiyen fully agree with her. Vishitadvaitam
is undoubtedly a parama vaidhika matham and an eternal matham. The
simple logic to understand this is follows: It is established beyond
doubt that Vishitadvaitam is the only religion that correctly and
logically explains the Vedas and Upanishads. Since, Vedas are eternal
Vishitadvaitam is also eternal. Even before Swami Ramanuja, great
Vishitadvaita acharyas like Yamunaachar, Naathamunikal and all the great
Azhwars existed and propagated the doctrine of Vishitadvaitam. Infact,
Swami Ramanuja's Gita Bhashyam is based on Swami Yamunacharyaar's
Gitaarta Sanghraha.
Also, prior to emperumanaar's period all
three doctrines (Advaitam, Dvaita, Vishitadvatam) co-existed.
Emberumaanaar made the world realize in a logical and scientific manner
the supremacy of Vishitadvaitam.
Swami Emberumanaar's greatness is
in his nirhetuka krupai to ensure that every jeevatma reaches Him
and does kainkaryam to the divya dhampathigal.
Kindly accept
adiyen's appologies for any mistakes
and errors.
Adiyen
Ramanuja Dasan Sampath
Kumar...
--- Sumithra Varadarajan
<sumivaradan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Sri
Krishna, > > VishistAdvaita sampradayam is a parama
vaidhika > matham. Sri Ramanuja only propagated the
already > existing philosophy. EmperumAnAr was not a
founder > of Srivaishnavism as you have mentioned. Swamy >
before writing Sribhasyam took the reference from > Bodhayana vriththi
grandham that was preserved in > the sarada peedam. This
bhodhayana vriththi was > full and full based on VishistAdvaita
principles. > That shows that even before Sri Ramanuja >
VishistAdvaita philosophy was very well there. > Swamy only
propagated it to the world. > > Adiyen ramanuja dAsee >
Sumithra Varadarajan > ----- Original Message -----
> From: honganour krishna > To:
Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; > Srivaishnavam_update ;
Thengalaiiyengar ; VEDIC_TALK > ; Velukkudi Krishnan ; RAMANUJA GROUPS
; ramanuja > mission ; jetusa JEEYAR > Cc: HONGANUR
S SESHADRI ; MYSORE K SRINIVASAN ; > SRILATHA SRINIVASAN ; SriRangaSri
; HONGANOOR S > VENKATESH ; SRINIDHI VENKATESH ; shylaja >
krishnamurthy ; MR. & MRS. BALAJI ; MR. & MRS. Dr. >
RAMAPRASAD ; honganour parthasarathy ; SADAGOPAN > Sent:
Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:23 AM > Subject: Re:
[Oppiliappan] Fw: [SriRangaSri] RE: > Origin of Hebbar
iyengars > > > Swamin: >
Before Ramanuja there was only Vishnavism, and the > philosophy
existed was only Advita. Sri Ramanuja > made advita into
Vishista-advita also called as > qualified advita or qualified
monoism.He made > Vishnavism into Srivishnavisam by giving a place
to > SRI also known as Godess Lakshmi. Acharya Ramanuja > is the
founder of Srivishnavism Sect. If you study > the Life of Sri
Ramanuja, you will find that his > Guru taught Ramanuja and his
class-mates advita > philosophy.Later came Madhwa Charya and
his > philosophy was Dwaitha also called as Dualism. > Before
Ramanuja the Red Line signifying Lakshmi or > Sri in the center of the
Namam did not exist, it was > Sri Ramanuja who inserted the Red. It is
very clear > that Vishsta-advita philosophy did not exist
before > Sri Ramanuja. I welcome more arguments in this >
subject from learned Scholars. > Adijen Krishna Sri
Ramanuja
Dasan
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
|