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Dear Sri Krishna : It is not clear whether you are asking a question or
making a declarative statement . It sounds more like the latter .
 
Nithya granthams , Urdhva PuNDra dhAraNam as a part of Pancha SamskArams
for the AarAdhanam of BhagavAn ( Lord Raamachandra and His ancestors worshipping
Lord RanganAtha at AyOddhi ) . I fail to see how one can perform AarAdhanam at one's
home or at Temples by adhikAris without Urdhva PuNDrams on their forehead whehter
they ar BrahmaNAs, KshathriyAs et al . Saathina Mudali ( those having the sacred thread
or SaatthAtha Mudali ( without the sacred thread ) can perform Bhagavadh AarAdhanam
prescribed by AchAryAs . All of them are VaishnavAs .
 
The thought that it is not specifically mentioned in Srimadh RaamAyaNam
does not suggest that they did not wear Urdhva PuNDram befititgn their 
lakshaNam  as VaishNavAs .
 
I do not understand the thrust of your statements .
 
V.Sadagopan
Moderator  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] Origin of Vishitadvaitham

Dear Bhakthas,
Followers of Vishnu are called as Vishnavas. And a vishnava could be a brahmin, Kshtarya, or Vysya. To my knowledge nowhere in Ramayana, Mahabharatha, or in Vishnu Purana a single mention of Srivishnava is mentioned. These being the great epics and running in volumes has no mention of Srivishnava brahmin but one will come across mention of mearly vishnava brahmin. Lord Rama and Lord Krishna who were Vishnavas never had Srivishnava Namam on their fore-head. If Srivishnavism existed in the days of Rama then atleast single mention of it would have been made in the Ramayana. We all know Rama had come across so many different catagories of people existing at that time in his journey from north to extreme south. It is very clear that Srivishnavism was not there during Rama and Krishna Days. Srivishnavism must have been started some time later. In Hindu culture most of the great people are very modest that they do not claim there authorship or finding and Srivishnavism is one of them.
 
Adiyen Krishna Ramanuja dasan

Sampath Kumar Padmanaban <janasampath@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha
Srimath Varavara Munaye Namaha

In one of the e-mail chains related to the origin of
Hebbar Iyengars, one of our members Sri.Krishna has
mentioned that Swamy Ramanuja was the founder of
SriVaishnavism. Sri.Krishna has also mentioned that
Swamy Ramanuja made advaita into vishitadvaita.

> Before Ramanuja there was only Vishnavism, and the
> philosophy existed was only Advita. Sri Ramanuja
> made advita into Vishista-advita also called as
> qualified advita or qualified monoism.He made
> Vishnavism into Srivishnavisam by giving a place to
> SRI also known as Godess Lakshmi. Acharya Ramanuja
> is the founder of Srivishnavism Sect.

I beg to defer with Sri.Krishna.

Smt.Sumitra Varadarajan replied to this aspect and
adiyen fully agree with her. Vishitadvaitam is
undoubtedly a parama vaidhika matham and an eternal
matham. The simple logic to understand this is
follows:
It is established beyond doubt that Vishitadvaitam is
the only religion that correctly and logically
explains the Vedas and Upanishads. Since, Vedas are
eternal Vishitadvaitam is also eternal. Even before
Swami Ramanuja, great Vishitadvaita acharyas like
Yamunaachar, Naathamunikal and all the great Azhwars
existed and propagated the doctrine of Vishitadvaitam.
Infact, Swami Ramanuja's Gita Bhashyam is based on
Swami Yamunacharyaar's Gitaarta Sanghraha.

Also, prior to emperumanaar's period all three
doctrines (Advaitam, Dvaita, Vishitadvatam)
co-existed. Emberumaanaar made the world realize in a
logical and scientific manner the supremacy of
Vishitadvaitam.

Swami Emberumanaar's greatness is in his nirhetuka
krupai to ensure that every jeevatma reaches Him and
does kainkaryam to the divya dhampathigal.

Kindly accept adiyen's appologies for any mistakes and
errors.

Adiyen

Ramanuja Dasan
Sampath Kumar...




--- Sumithra Varadarajan <sumivaradan@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Dear Sri Krishna,
>
> VishistAdvaita sampradayam is a parama vaidhika
> matham.  Sri Ramanuja only propagated the already
> existing philosophy.  EmperumAnAr was not a founder
> of Srivaishnavism as you have mentioned.  Swamy
> before writing Sribhasyam took the reference from
> Bodhayana vriththi grandham that was preserved in
> the sarada peedam.  This bhodhayana vriththi was
> full and full based on VishistAdvaita principles.
> That shows that even before Sri Ramanuja
> VishistAdvaita philosophy was very well there.
> Swamy only propagated it to the world.
>
> Adiyen ramanuja dAsee
> Sumithra Varadarajan
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: honganour krishna
>   To: Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
> Srivaishnavam_update ; Thengalaiiyengar ; VEDIC_TALK
> ; Velukkudi Krishnan ; RAMANUJA GROUPS ; ramanuja
> mission ; jetusa JEEYAR
>   Cc: HONGANUR S SESHADRI ; MYSORE K SRINIVASAN ;
> SRILATHA SRINIVASAN ; SriRangaSri ; HONGANOOR S
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> krishnamurthy ; MR. & MRS. BALAJI ; MR. & MRS. Dr.
> RAMAPRASAD ; honganour parthasarathy ; SADAGOPAN
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:23 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] Fw: [SriRangaSri] RE:
> Origin of Hebbar iyengars
>
>
>   Swamin:
>   Before Ramanuja there was only Vishnavism, and the
> philosophy existed was only Advita. Sri Ramanuja
> made advita into Vishista-advita also called as
> qualified advita or qualified monoism.He made
> Vishnavism into Srivishnavisam by giving a place to
> SRI also known as Godess Lakshmi. Acharya Ramanuja
> is the founder of Srivishnavism Sect. If you study
> the Life of Sri Ramanuja, you will find that his
> Guru taught Ramanuja and his class-mates advita
> philosophy.Later came Madhwa Charya and his
> philosophy was Dwaitha also called as Dualism.
> Before Ramanuja the Red Line signifying Lakshmi or
> Sri in the center of the Namam did not exist, it was
> Sri Ramanuja who inserted the Red. It is very clear
> that Vishsta-advita philosophy did not exist before
> Sri Ramanuja. I welcome more arguments in this
> subject from learned Scholars.
>    Adijen Krishna Sri Ramanuja Dasan


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