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Dear Sri Venkatraman :
Thank you for your mail .
As an editor of Oppiliappan , Sarnagathi , Malolan
and few other
groups , I make it a point to reject mailings to
my groups
relating to outbursts based on
Kalai dhvEsham .
There are inded differences in the doctrines of
two kalais .
There is no neeed however to engage in battles
to prove who is right or wrong . This is just a
waste
of time . One can fruitfully send one's time
following
AchArya and AzhwAr Sri Sookthis and staying close
to
one's own AchArya Paramparai and KulAchArams
.
Let us focus on serving our AchAryans ,
BhagavathAs
and the dhivya dampathis and leave the rest out
.
There is so much to learn and so little time to
get closer to
even a
small portion of the Bhagavad
anubhavam housed
in the SrI Sookthis of AzhwArs and AchAryans
.
NamO Sriman NaarAyaNAya ,
V.Sadagopan
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Dear Swamin adiyen Sevel Krishnan would like to
make the following suggestions: Let us be proud at the outset
that we are born as Brahmins and that too as Vaishnavit. I
do not know far it is true- I am told that to born as a vaishnavit, you should
have born as a brahmin in your last birth and because of your good deeds, you
have born now as a Vaishnavit. If the above is accepted,
why should we worry about whether we belongs to thenkalai or vadakalai
cult. Our Narayanan is the supreme deity and those who believe in it,
should not even think of any differences among these two cults.
If my
observation is wrong, please enlighten me further. Our younger
generation are not aware of these differences and by discussing trhese
differences, we are taking a big risk in their belief in Vaishavism
SEVEL
KRISHNAN
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Re: [divya_desam] Re: Total Mails.....(vadakali)
Dear swamin Adiyean Sridhar There are no
thenkalai fanatics. Lot of thankalayars worship Swami desikan also. Can you
please hear some upanyasams of SRI U.VE. VELLUKUDI KRISHNAN
SWAMI. Adiyean Ramanuja dasan sridhar On 1/2/09, àààààà
ààààààà < adisesh92@gmail.com>
wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: àààààà
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Date: Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:50 AM > Subject: Fwd: Total
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Date: Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 9:53 AM > Subject: Fwd: Total
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seshadri <krseshadri84@gmail.com>, >
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Veeraraghavan < > radharaghu@gmail.com>,
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Date: Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 9:50 AM > Subject: Total
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Veeraraghavan <radharaghu@gmail.com>, >
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seshadri < > krseshadri84@gmail.com> > > > >
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<swamidesikadasan@gmail.com> >
Date: Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: > To: sailesh
rajan <saileshrjn@gmail.com>,Adisesh
Iyengar<adisesh92@gmail.com >> > > >
Dear all, > > There are many proofs that Swami desikan and also
Manavala > Mamuni are Vadakalai. The first one is the thirumeni at
Sri > Thiruvahindipuram of Swami desikan is Adorning Vadakalai
thiruman.Which was > made by Swami desikan himself. > > Next
thatacharirars(periya Tirumalai Nambi),uncle of Sri Bashyakarar
are > Vadakalai. If u visit Sreeperambuthur the Archa Thirumeni of Sri
bashyakarar > adorns Vadakalai thiruman. secondly when the Tridandi jyer
covered the > Vimanam of Sribashyakarar and half of perumal sannidhi
they didn't allow > media and even Srivaishnavs to take photograph. The
vimanam in > Sriperambuthur contains Vdakalaithiruman. Once
Sriprambuthur was a Vadakalai > shrine but was converted to Tekalai
around 150 years ago,when the new Embar > mutt was started. The temple
in Sripreambuthur was taken care by the > Sriperambuthur Tirumalia
EEchambadi. Thus Vdakalayars built a new Desikan > Sannidhi in
Sriperambuthur near the Purshkarini.In Sriperambuthur the Chinna >
Jyer covered the Vimana of Perumal 1/3rd only..... This is so because
there > are Vadakalai there. > > Nextly we can talk about
Sri Manavala Mamuni and other Tenkaayars. > Tenkalayars say that they
don't have the caste feelings . They perform > Samasrayanam and also
include Bagawatargal in Srivaishnava Ghosti. Its > wrong, in the Bashyam
of Sri periyavachan Pillai(said as Tenkalai) to > Amalanadipiran, Sri
Vachan pillai clearly states that Thirupannar is a > Panchamar and even
thought he said Amalan the cast can't be excluded. Thus > in
Periyavachan Pillai Vyakyanam it is clearly said that they see the >
differences in Cast but say that all people who perform Samasrayanam
are > equal. But when u see the Bashyam of Sri Swami Vedanta Desikan,
Swami > mentions that Thirupannar is a Avadoothi and not a ordinary
man.Few > tenkalayars say that Swami desikan was consider
Pillailokachariar and > Periyavachan Pillai as his Acharayn. These
information are totally Fake. If > they were acharyans then swami
desikan would have mention them in his > Granthas like Adikara Sangraham
and many. Swami desikan had the ideology of > Bashyakara and thus he
didn't agree with the ideas of Pillailokachariar. > Swami desikan had
good relationship with All the acharyars at this time. Few > fanatics
say that Swami had composed stotras on Periyavachan Pillai , if >
composed can they name it? Only 28 stotras are composed by swami desikan.
To > say many Tenkalayars(now considering) like Dodachary and
Prativaid > bayankaram anna had composed many granthas on Swami desikan.
Prativadi title > was offered to Anna by Nayanachariar(son of Swami
desikan) and he had his > Samasrayanam done under Swami Nayanachariar .
Later he became a sishya of > Manavala Mamuni. Dodyachariar who was
earlier as Sishyan of Manavala Mamui > was influenced by Swai deiskan
ideology wrote VedantadesikaPrakashika. Till > now there are
Vamsikas of Doddachariar in Nagapattnam. Prativadi anna > composed
SaptatRatnamalika. > > *Redarding Thayar...... > >
*There are lot of contravesy between the two Kalayars regarding the
matter > of Sri. The vadakali sect say that thayar too is Paramatma as
lord is. But > this Paksham was not accepted by Tenkalayars.On this
contraversy Swami > desikan had written in his Chattusloki Bashyam
regarding the Piratti. All > tenkalai Acharyars like Periyavachan pillai
and also Nampillai, Nanjyer, > Parasara Bhattar in their EEdu and other
Srisookthis tell that thayar is > Paramatham. This difference was
created after the Grandson of Koil Annan. > Then, Tenkalayars condisder
Perumal Keupa as *Nirhetu Krupa* but Vadakalayas > say that its Hetu
krupa . Hert means reasoned. Thus acoording to the TK > point of view ,
when Perumal is Nirhetukrupi, Why cant he shower his Krupa > on all
Jeevatmas and make them all Srivaishnavs and give moksham? If thayar >
is not given importance in Tenkalai Sampraday then, They must nor
adorn > Srichoorna, Then must not be called as Srivaishnavas.As
Tenkalaayars don't > Sanskrit ,they take wrong meanings of Sri Desikan
Granthas and others. > > *Regarding Saranagathi* > >
Tenkalayars say that Prapati is the only way which leads moksha and
the > other ways like Gnana,karma and Bakthi willn't lead to Moksham.
But we say > that all the 4 ways lead to Moksham but Prapatti is a very
easy form to > Moksha. To Tenkalai Fanatics: If bakthi,Gnana and Karma
yogams will not lead > to Moksham then how did Prahaladhan,Bishmar
and many rishis went to Moksham. > > *Regarding
Thiruman* > > The old and Prachina Thiruman is the U or Vadakalai
Thiruman. Pancharatra > Agama states that "Arabhya Nasika Mulam: nasika
mulam arabhya: nasadikesa > payantam anasamularabhya" which means that
the Urdhva Pundram must start > between the two eyebrows and end at the
Kesham(hair). *It is clear that the > Tenkalai thiruman is a new
form because the Tenkalayars adorn different > thirumans at different
places. Ex: Y thiruman at face and Tamil PAA similar > to U thiruman in
the body. *So the tenkalai thiruman was derived frm the > Vadakali
(already mentioned that Bashyakarar was Vadakali).IF there were two >
thirumans at the Time of Swami desikan than, swmai would have
mentioned > inhis grantha named Saccaritra raksha. Few tenkalayars say
that there are > thirumans(tenkalai) in many Stambams and Moolavars in
Karnataka. In those > around 1600-1700 many temples were rennovated,in
karnataka,due to Mughal > Invasion. During the rennovation the Moolavars
and utsavars were replaced > with Thiruman. Actually to say in Silpa
Sastram or in any Puranama there are > no reference to any thiruman. But
the Tenkalayars say that Tenkalai thiruman > was the first. There are
many evidences of Vadakalai thiruman in many > countirs like
Egypt,Greece. The photos of these places are available at the > website
of Stephan Knapp. There are many Vadakali Thirumans in >
Kanchipuram,Srirangam,Tirumalai,and amny Divyadesam but they
were destroyed > by the Tenkalayars. At present there are few Thiruman
in Tirupati and > Kanchipuram. The Ramanujar at Tirumalai was a
Vadakalai sannidhi the name > itsef Signifies that it belongs to
Vadakalai (bashyakarar) but was undertake > by
Tenkalayars. > > *Regarding Thaniyan* > > There are
two Thaniyans for Swami desikan in Sanskrit and one Tamil Thaniyan >
composed by Sri Pillailokachary(tenkalai head) > > The
thaniyans are *"Sreeman Venkatanatharyaha Kavitharkika Kesari * >
*Vedanthacharya Varyome Sannidhattam Sadahrudhim " > *&* >
"Ramanuja Dayapatram Gnana Vairagya Bushanam > Sreemath
Venkatanatharyaham Vande Vedanta Desikam"* > These two thaniyans were
composed by Sri Nayanachariar(swami's Son) and > Brahmatantrar
swami. > > Manavalamamunigal has a sanskrit
Thaniyan > > *"Sreesailesha Dayapatram Deepatyadi
Gunarnavam > Yetinda Pravanam Vandhe Ramyaja Mataram Munim"* >
This thaniyan was composed by sri narayan Jyer one of the sishyas of >
Manavala Mamunigal and it was mentioned in VARAVARAMUNI SHATAKAM by >
Yerumbiappa. But the present Tenkalayars say that the Thaniyan was
supposed > to be recited by Lord Ranganatha Itself. There are many
stories like, When > Sriranganathan came as a small boy and recited
Thaniyan for Manavala Mamuni, > the bagawats in Ghosti asked for
Thirunal Pattu to by said by the boy. Then > this itself signifies that
there was Thirunal Pathhu for some other > Acharayar, that is none other
than Swami Deiskan. > * > Another Avatara OF
Ramanuajar* > > There are many stories like Manavala Mamuni was
the avatara of Ramanuajar. > This is one of the lies told by
tenkalayars. It is said that Sri BAshyakarar > didn't warite and spread
the essence of Divya PRabandham . Thus he took > another avatara as
Manavala Mamuni. There are also other stories like Sriman > Narayanana
granted 200 years of life span for Adiseshan and asked him to > take
avatar as Ramanujar and as Ramanmujar lived for only 120 years he took >
another avatara as Manavala Mamuni(swami survived for 73years only).
The > 120+73=193. Then what about 7 years? Then did Adiseshan took
another avatara > for 7 years? > > Then Vadakalayars can
clearly say that Swmai desikan was the amasam of Sri > Bashyakarar .
Swmai desiakn had authored many Granthas liek Munivahanaboham, >
Madurakavi Hridayam,Dravidopanishad Saram,etc., on Divya Prabandham
in > Sanskrit and Tamil. Swami Bashyakarara lived as a Sanyasi most of
his life. > Thus Swami desikan was born as a Amsam of Sri Bashyakarara
to explain how a > Srivaishnavan must lead a life as Grihastan. Swami
desikan had written > Vyakyanams for Thiruvoimozhi in Sanskrit. Swami
desikan wrote 73,000 padi > but it was lost due to carelessness. And
swami desikan had written Many > Rakshai's for Pancharatra
Agama,Srivaishanva Sampraday and many. So swami > Desikan is the Amsam
of Sri Bashyakarar. > > *About Manavala Mamuni* > >
Manavala Mamunigal had his Sribashya Kalakshebam done under the Grandson
of > Kidambi Appular(a Vadakalate) and aslo he took his Preksha Mantram
or > Sanyasam under the 1st Azhagiyasingar of Sri Ahobila Mutt(a
Vadakala MUtt). > Many say that the Ahobila Mutt itself was a Tenkalai
Mutt . There are no > PRooves for their Paksham. And also The 6th
Azhagiyasingar of Ahobila Mutt > had written many comentires on Swami
Desikan Granthas especially Sankalpa > Suryodhayam. Tenkalayars mainly
consider Ahobila MUtt as tenkalai because if > Ahobila mutt is Vadakalai
then Manavalamamuni will be Vadakalai. 1st > Azhagiyasingar was born on
1378 and Manavalamamuni on 1370. There may be a > age difference but 1st
Azhagiyasingar got Sanyashasram from Narasimhan at a > young age of 20.
Thus frm him got sanyashram Manavalamamuni.The Chinna Jyer > of
Andhara recently appointed a new Jyer called Ahobila Jyer to suppress
the > Ahobila Mutt activities. The Chinna Jyer of andhara has been
giving > Sanyashasam like SSLC ceritificate to all. His mutt which was
started by his > Grandpa was a new mutt which was established in late
1950's.FEw tenkalayars > say that Manavalamamuni didn't take Sanyasam as
Manavala Mamuni took > Sanyasam from Satakopa jyer and not Adivan
Satakopa Jyer. In our > Srivaishnava Sampraday Ahobila Mutt is the only
Muttt which bears the name > Van Satakopan or Satakopan for its
Peetadipathi . After giving > Sanyashasramam to Manavala Mamuni Satakopa
Jyer or Adivan Satakopa Jyer was > titled the name Adi van by Nammalwar
itself and Nammalwar gave his Hamsa > Mudrai to 1st Azhagiyasingar. Even
today in Alwar Thirunagari Alwar > Brahmotsavam Ahobila Mutt obtains 1st
three Days Mariyadhai.Anyone who wants > to have the Darshan of Hamsa
Mudrai of Nammalwar can see them in Ahobila > Mutt Aradhan
Mundapam. > > > In the year 1730-1759 Swami desikan
Thaniyans in many places were replace by > the above thaniyan of
Manavala Mamuni. EX: Even thousg the temple of meloke > is
Tenkalai(converted) the sattumurai vazhi thirunamam is recited for
Swami > desikan only. This was by the Order of Narasimha Udayar of
Mysore that they > shuldn't replace the thaniyan of Swami desikan with
Manaval Mamuni.Even > today though the temple of Melkote and
Thirunarayanapuram are Tenkalai > Parakala Mutt Swami obtains first
MAridhai and aslo the Thaniyan and Vazhi > Thirunamam of Swmai desikan
is recited daily. As per the Kalvettu of > Srirangam Swami Desikan's
thaniyan was recited in the Temple and houses of > Srirangam as swami
Desikan restarted the Adhyayana Utsavam. Few Tenkalayars > say that why
there are two Thaniyans for Swmai desikan? There must be only > one
Taniyan. Then the answer is AnantanPillai of Tirumalai also had two >
Thanyians . To say even Manavalamamuni had two Thaniyas but the earlier
was > rejected and a new starting with Srisailesa Daapatram was
accepted. Is this > what Manavala Mamuni or ther Tenkalai Acharayr
wants? > > When we consider Tirumala Parakala Mutt was the
Darmadatta Mutt but after > the advent of Chinna Jyer Mutt in Tirumala
all the powers were Trasferred to > Tenkalai,which is mentioned in
Tirumalai Vozhagu. The Desikan Thaniyan and > Vazhithirunamam were
recited in Tirumala till 1910's but was stopped by the > Tenkalai Mutt.
In Tirupati Swami desikan had Thiruvadi Thozhudal of > Govindarajan but
the tenkalayars who were jelous stoped this Utsava >
toooo...... > > There are many Simhasanadipatis like
Kandadai,Tirumalai Nallan > Chakravarthi,Tirumalai >
EEchambadi,Tholapachariar,Tholappar,Thatachariar,Anantalvan,Illayavillai,Kidambi,Assuri,Veeravilli,etc..., >
in Vadakali. The Acharyars like Periyanambi,Parasarabattar and others
in > Sriranga were compelled and converted to Tenkalai. Actually the
74 > Simhasanadipadis doesn't have Manavalamamuni but today Acharyars
like > Parasara Bhattar , Periya Nambi,Tirumalai Anantanpillai,and
otheres were > compelled to accept Manavalamamuni as
acharyan. > > The thaniyans and also Vazhithirunamam of Manavala
Mamuni was a copy of > Swami Desikan's. > > In the vazhi
thirunamam of Manavala Mamuni it is said that *MANAVALAMAMUNIYE > INNUM
ORU NOOTRANDU IRUM.* What does this mean when ever a man had completed >
100 years it is correct to say that innum oru nootrandu irum. But
Manavala > Mamuni lived only for 73 years.So it is clear that the
Tenkalayars must say > *MANAVALAMAMUNIYE INNUM ORU YEZHUBATHI IRANDU ORU
ANDU IRUM* . So its clear > that Tenkalayars coppied the Vazhithirunamam
of Swami Desikan. > > Then in the Tirumala Oriental Collage all
the Granthas of Poorvachariars > were collected at that time they found
that in the Srisookthies of Manavala > MAmuni it is found that another
Thaniyans by Appilar was used ex:Yetiraja > Saptati. So frm this it is
clear that the Tenkalayars had created a new > Srivaishnava Sect an
copied the matter frm Vadakali Sampradyam. > > In Upadesaratnamala
too Swami Manavalamamuni followed the method of swami > desikan's
Prabandhasaram and to say the Pasurams are similar to > Prabandhasaram
and Adhikara Sangraham. > > > > We are not Manavala
Mamuni Dooshkas but we are condemn him iam tell the > facts abt our
Sampraday ans not to hurt anybody........ > > *Regarding
Prabandham* > > . Here onwards i want to tell that Swami
Manavalamanuni followed > both the footpaths of Swami desikan and Pillai
Lokachariar. Tenkalai > fanatics say that alwars themself had composed
4000 Divya Prabandham and > Ramanuja Nootrandadi is not included in it
because Swami desikan in his > Prabandha Saram had included Ramanuja
Nootrandadi in 4000 Divya PRabandham. > I*S this the ACHARYA BAKTHI
SHOWN BY TENKALAYARS TO SRI RAMANUJAR?* Actually > 4000 DP composed by
alwars contain 3892 pasurams and this was rounded to > 4000 and was
called Naalaiyira Divya Prabandham PRE Bashyakarar period. > After
composing the Iramanuja Nootrandadi Thiruvarangathu Amudhanar handed >
over this Prabandham to Bashyakarar. But bashyakarar was angry because
it > was composed on him. Bashyakara sishyas pleaded him and finally
Bashyakarar > said that this Prabandham must be recited after the 4000
Divya > Prabandham(beacuse it contains information about Bashyakarar
Acharyars) . > Thus Ramanuja Nootandadi Was added to 4000 DP . More over
the sum > 3892+108=4000 was also Suitable to say Naaliyira Divya
Prabandham. Thus Sri > Swami Desikan included in his Prabandha Saaram
included Ramanuja Notrandadi > as a part of Divya Prabandham (in Iyerpa,
last 1000) . But Swami Desikan > Dweshi's didn't agree this Paksham as
the Prabandham was composed by > Thiruvarangathu Amudhanar ,then he too
is a Alwar. The answer for this > question is "Even thought the
Prabandham was composed by Amudanar , it was > in Praise of Sri
Bashyakarar. " This was mentioned not only by Swami desikan > but also
by Sri manavala Mamunni in his Upadesa Ratnamala. Manavala Mamuni > had
composed Upadesa Ratnamala by following Swami desikan Prabandham like >
Adikara Sangraham,Prabandha Saram. Pasurams like "Poigai muni
boodathar > Peyalwar..........." were used in Upadesaratnamala.
Swami Manavalamamuni had > mentioned the birth month of each alwar but
finally he mentions > MaduraKavigal,Andal and Bashyakarar. Then
according to Nakshatram > MadurakaviAlwar must come after Ramanjar , but
is not in that order. So, > Manavala Mamuni had composed the Pasuram
like the the "matha Pitha > Yuvatayas" of Parasara Bhattar in which
Parasara Bhatter describes all > alwars as angam of Nammalwar,so he
mentions Nammalwar lastly. Similarly > Manava Mamuni had mentioned
Bashyakarar at last and then he starts > Nathamuni(Pasuram 37-38 in
Upadesa Ratnamalai). This itself Signifies that > Manavala Mamuni had
also accepted the same order as sri Desikan did.. Even > Tenkalai
Acharyars like Periyavachan Pilli folowed the order of Adding > RAMANUJA
NOOTRANDADI to 4000 DIVYA PRABANDHAM. > > > > Thus the
present Tenkalayars had altered Divya Prabandham so that they can > have
many divisions mentioned like Ashtadasa Bedahah....18
Differences.. > > There are differences even in Perialwar
Thirumozhi. Vadakalayars consider > Perialwar thirumozhi which consists
even Thirupallandu in it . But the > Tenkalayars had divided Perialwar
Thirumozhi into two divisions , > Thirupallanu and Perialawar
Thirumozhi. As per Tenkalai Sampradaya ONNAM > PATHU of PErialwar
Thirumozhi have 90 Pasurams only as thirupallandu was > seperated from
it. Actually Pathu means 10*10 i.e, a total of 100 Pasurams > in One
pathu. But the 1st pathu according to Tenkalayars contain 90 Pasurams >
only. > > Thus the Tenkalayars even divided the Divya Prabandham
as they wish. > > Above, i had mentioned few facts and prooves
that Ahobila Mutt was,is and > will be Vadakalai. Here Iam adding few
more facts. Recently The Chinna Jyer > of Andhra had given a Sanyasam
Degree to a new IAS officer and named him as > Ahobila Ramanuja jyer.
This is because they want a Tenklai Ahobila Mutt. > Then we*
Vadakalayars must ask for A Vadakalai Periya Jyer Mutt in Tirupati > as
31st and 32nd Jyer in Periya Jyer Mutt were Vadakalai*.Why cant the >
previous Jyer choose a Tenkalai Jyer as as successer? R there no
Tenkalayars > sutiable to that post except Vadakalayars? SO we
Vadakalayars too must ask > for a Vadakali Periya Jyer Mutt.Even So the
Chinna Jyer of Andhra must stop > doing these Tenkalai Pracharam and
must develop Ramanuja Sampraday.Being a > Srivaishnava Sanyasi how can
he rennovate Siva temples and other Demi Gods > temples? Is this waht
mention in Ramanja Sampradaya or Tenkalai Sampraday? > As said by
Manavala Mamuni one must selest a acharyan who has high Gnanam > and
Anustanam thus a sihsyan will get a good guidance.But most of the >
Tenkalai Acharayars nowadasays doesn't have Anustanam . Only few are >
folowinf the words of Manavala MAmuni(said as Tenkalai acharayar)
. > > > Many Tenklayars have the opinion that Vadakalayars
don't give much > importance to Divya Prabandham and they neglect it.
ITs totally false. Swami > deiskan Had written many Granthas on Prandham
like Munivahana Boham,Prabanda > Saram,73,000 padi on DP(which was lost)
, Dravidopanishad,etcc., Swami > Deiskan consider Vedam and Divya
Prabandham as two eyes . Without an eye we > cant see Perumal. As Vedic
religion we must for Vedam and Divya Prabandham > is for our Atma
Ujeevanam. But most Tenkalayars neglect Vedam . Sri > BAshyakarar during
his last days told 5 main sentences. 1st sentence is that > "Learn Sri
BAshyam and Preach it to others" 2nd is to Learn "Bagawat Vishyam > and
preach it to others"... And the other sentenses
continues.... > > But swami Desikan followed the 1st sentece
of Sri BAshyakara and lead his > life. But the Tenkalayars don;t know
this and asay that Swami DEsikan had > neglected Divya Prabandham. Since
that give To Sri Bashyam and Vedas.... > Prabandham is for Atma
Ujeevanam........ > > > Thus Vadakalai Sampradaya is
oldest and Tenkalai was a division from >
Vadakali. > > > *Regarding Chinna Jyer of
Andhra* > > The Tridandi Jyer had > converted many sishyas
of Swayamacharayars and various Mutt into his > sishyas. We
srivaishnavas must save those who had converted or had their >
samasrayanam done under him. If a Acharayan is not qualified , then
the > Sishyan can chabge his acharayan which is mentioned in
Pillailokacharirar > Ashtadasa Rahasyam. So we srivaishnavas must save
people from the clutches > of a A Vaishnavan. He must stop Tenakali
Prachara and work for Ramanuaja > Darshanam.He had converted sishyas of
Many Vadakali Acharyas in Andhra like >
Vasudevachari,etc..., > > Acording to Our Dhram Shastra no
one must cross the ocean. Whenever they do > this they are not allowed
to enter the temples.But the Tridandi had gone to > countires like
Australia,America,etc..., Is this what said in Dharam
Sastra? > > There are few sishyas of This Chinna Jyer saying that
he is another avatara > of Ramaujar. Then did Ramaujar Worshiped or went
to demi god temples? > > > * > 4 times Sastnaga
Namaskaram* > > Different SampradhAyins prostrate beforethe Lord
once , twice or four times > .In Vadakalai SampradhAyam , it is done
four > times .One can use Yukti Vaadhams and point out thefour
NamaskaraNams are > for the four directions or for the four hands of the
Lord holding the disc > ,the conch , the abhaya Mudhra and the Lotus or
Gadhai. One can also view it > as salutations to the Four vyUhams etc.
There is however more doctrinal > reasons based on AchAryA's teachings .
Let us look at them now : > > Both Swamy AlavanthAr in His StOtra
Ratna slOkam and Swamy Desikan elsewhere > has given the reasons for the
4 NamaskArams as Svaroopa Sodhanams . When we > are visiting a Temple of
Sriman NarayaNan , one prostrates ( ShAshtAnga > NamaskArams) before the
Bali Peetam and then enter the temple .The First > NamaskAram is to
remind ourselves of > the Lord's Paratvam ( Superiority as
ParadEvathai). The second NamaskAram is > to comfort
ourselves > with His Soulabhya guNam ( ease of access inspite of His
Paratvam) of the > Lord . > > The Third namaskAram is to
remind ourselves of His Praapyatvam ( Being the > ultimate goal ,
PradhAna PurushArtham ) . > > The Fourth NamaskAram is to remind
ourselves of His SaraNyatvam or His > staying as the SarvalOka SaraNyan
and Sarva Rakshakan . > > When one does the 4 NamaskArams this way
, one's ego is pushed aside and one > approaches the Lord's sannidhi
with the right attitude and Jn~Anam . > > We prostrate 4 times
before AchAryan ,Parents and elder Persons . One can > explain this with
the Veda PramANam of AchArya DevO Bhava et al . > > The alternate
four reaons for NamaskAram in PerumAL Sannidhi based on Swamy >
AlavanthAr's stOtra Ratna slOkam and PeriyaVaacchAn PiLLai's commentary
is > summed up in my 2005 posting in Sriranga Sri archives (Volume I)
and > Oppiliappan archives ( Part II ) : > > http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/srirangasri/archi<http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/srirangasri/archives/apr05/msg00071.html> >
ves/apr05/msg00071.html > > and > > http://www.ibiblio.org/oppiliappan/archives/apr05/msg00015.html > >
The two folded palms in the AshtAnga NamaskAram have their own
significance > , The right palm of the devotee is said to represent the
lotus feet of the > Lord and the left palm , the head of the
devotee. > > > > *Desikan Dooshakargal >
* > Prativadi Bayankaram ANnan in his > Saptati Ratnamalika quotes
that > *"ààààà ààà ààààà àààààààààà ààààà > ààà àààà àààà
ààààààààààààààà àààààà :| > ààààààààààààààà àààààà ààààààà
àààààà: > àààà àààààà àààààà àà ààààà ààààààà || " > *which means
when anybody talks bad about Swami desikan, then he will be > disliked
by Yetindra(Bashyakarar) and this leads to Vishnu KArunya >
Dhoorahah(loss of Vishnu Karunyam) and Lord will not grant Moksha for
them. > > These slokas were written by sri Prativadi Bayankaram
Annan(now Tenkalai > Achayan) . So Tenkalayars must know this slokas and
must not talk bad about > swmai deiskan and his
Granthas. > > > > > > > Courtesy:
PrabandhaSara Vaibhavam >
-- To Succeed in Life, You need two
things: IGNORANCE and CONFIDENCE
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