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Dear Bhagavathas,
  I am saddened about the state of our temple management as I learn more about 
the current situation.I am trying to comapre USA vs India in terms of the 
religious activities.
  Here in USA, Separation of religion and State is clear in principle at the 
least eventhough there may be subtle influences.More or less the churches and 
temples manage their funds and actvities.
  I did not realize the extent of the so called Secular Government controlling 
the Hindu Temples but no Influence over Churches and Mosques.
  If India wants to practice True Democracy it should leave Temples alone to be 
managed by Religious Organizations under various Mathams and Trusts or  treat 
Temples,Churches and Mosques.
  Of Course, one can blame at the least to some extent the cureent situation 
because of some archakas either not knowledeble enough or not practicing the 
protocols properly and giving into some greed probably beacuse of lack of 
income etc.
  Because meagre incomes their children are encouraged to go to other 
professions but again one follows a ceratin path in Life as per one's Nature 
not necessarily per birth tradition. 
I also strongly believe the traditions and knowledge are transmitted thru 
Genetic material unless the Environment alters them.
  Thanks for letting me share my feelings.
  Adiyen
  Raghava velugaleti Charya
Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  SrI:

Dear Sri Venkataramani :

Thanks for your note below asking for PramANams as to why
every one should not perform Temple AarAdhanams .

I will confine my reamrks to Sri VaishNavam .
As you know , It has two Aagamams : VaikAnasam
and PaancharAthram .

In VaikAnasam , You have to be born into VaikAnasa
priest Families to be eligible to offer VaikAnasa
mode of worship . All people trained inPaancharAthra 
aagamam  --- which takes 2 to 3 years of intense study 
to recieve the Dheekshaa at special schools at
Melkote , Kaanchipuram --- can not even go into
VaikAnasam temples such as Oppiliappan Sannidhi ,
Thirumala , Tiruvahendhrapuram , ThirukkOvilUr 
and other similar Temples observing VaikAnasa worship
from time immemorial.

PaancharAthra mode of worship is more open and is used 
at home and temples . This requires Training in Sanskrit ,
Vedams and the subtle points related to gaining 
the PaancharAthra Dheeksha . You are welcome to
stop at the Kaanchi PaancharAthram expert's ( Battar's)
house in South Street to gain an appreciation of 
the details of the training , which is a prerequisite 
to serving as Archakaas.TTD Monograph on PaancharAthra
Aagamam will also be helpful to you . When AarAdhanam
is performed in this manner , then Saannidhyam prevails
in the ArchA Moorthys . 

Let me list a few skills that is needed for an archakA
to serve as a qualified priest in the Temple :

1. VaasudEva PuNyAhAvacahnam 
2. Nithya Homam
3. Laghu SamprOkshaNam
4. Saanthi Homam
5. Agni Prathishtai
6. KalyANa Uthsavam Performance
7. PavithrOthsavam
8. Construction of Yaaga Saalaa( ChakrAbhjala 
   MaNDalam construction , RakshA Bhandhanam---)
9. Dhanur Maasa AarAdhanam
10. BruhmOthsavam ( angurrpaNam to avabhrutha SnAnam)
11. MudhrAs , VisEsha Thirumanjanams 
12. Mukhya Manthrams for ThiruvArAdhanam 

and many other things .

With their hatred of Sanskrit and Sanskrit based
ancient cultures , these louts from the political
wards without any bhakthi or bhAvam will never becoem
qualified . Granted  that the quality of training of
today's archakAs leaves much to be desired .Their 
training should be improved . Usually , a skilled 
Aagamic expert resides at the temple or is invited 
from Kaanchi or Bangalore or Melkote for Big events.

Coming back , Sri VaishNavAs can come from any of
the 4 VarNams . Out of his infinite compassion for all,
AchArya RaamAnuja created kaimkaryam opportunities for 
Saatthina and SaatthAtha MudaliyArs . You can see it 
in operation even today at Srirangam and Thirumala .

The government may meddle what all it wants for its
own hidden agenda ;Atleast , some  the temples will 
nourish the ancient Aagamic method of worship and
protect our Vedic culture .

V.Sadagopan 
*****************************************  
Dear Sri Sadagopan,
   
  It is not my intention to demean the mutts. Before taking up a cause and 
fighting for it, we need to be clear on what the truth is.  Do we have a clear 
answer with proper pramanas on whether non-brahmins can perform archaka 
service? I hear different opinions from different people and there is no 
deliberation or clarity. Beyond saying, "adhellam panna koodadhunnaa", I dont 
see any concrete quotation of pramanas. Some Sri Vaishnavas say that all one 
needs is agama initiation and any one is eligible to perform archaka worship. 
   
  Do mutts have a clear position on the topic? Is there clarity on if and why 
non-brahmins should not perform arca vigraha aradhana at the temples? 
   
  Best Regards
  Rajaram V.  
   
   
   
  Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  SrI:

Daer Sri Venkataramani :

The AchAryAs have a different mission and can not openly
enter the dirty world of politics . They have to provide
guidance in a subtle way .This has nothing to do with lack of
courage as you indicate. They have to weigh in the sensitivities 
and be sure whether they are helping or harming their cause .

The previous CM of TN decided to go after one of the Mataadhipathis
and we know the results . If a government wants to foist a case 
and pursue the travel on a rotten road , there is precious little 
one can do except thru the lengthy battle in the courts .

We have lived thru one such episode in the Fourties in the heyday of 
so called "PeriyAr" out of whose ashes today's opportunists arose .These power 
hungry units have an agenda  to position their own friends , cohorts and 
relatives to rob and plunder .

I do not see much point in asking the MatAdhipathys to get their
hands dirty in the process of dealing with these politicians , who
will not stop at anything . 

This episode will also pass . The TN govt can declare on top of 
the roofs as to what they want to impose . Not much will happen .Their Hindu 
Endowment Board is a laughing stock .
We have to sit this out and let these be sorted out at the level of
ciitzens and courts .

V.Sadagopan

P.S : These low minded politicians are not looking for PramANams
on Vedam and Aagamam to educate themselves to arrive at a rational
decision . They know exactly waht they want and are after their
goals of amassment of wealth thru their networks . They could not 
care less as what happens at the temples beyond the appointment of
their cronies to pilfer . 

*****************************************************************
Imput from Sri R.Venkataramani:

very rarely do religious leaders provide leadership from a spiritual 
perspective.  they often lack the courage and knowledge - simple and plain. if 
any one can become archakas, why did they not initiate it? if any one cannot, 
why are they not opposing? instead of waiting for others to speak up for the 
cause, let us unite, learn the real facts based on sastras and fight to protect 
the tradition. 
   
  i live in chennai and ready for action on this. we have a group of youth who 
will unite to support this. any one interested in protecting veda dharma is 
free to call me on 9840940108 any time of the day. 
   
  best regards
  rajaram v
**************************************************************
  govindakrishnan alagar <alagar_g@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

  Dear Shrivaishnavites,
Fund collection would be needed  for fighting the cause against the order of 
the Govt. ot Tamil Nadu not only abroad but also in India. Before that a forum 
of eminent and knowledgable persons (those who have knowledge in agamas, vedas 
etc.) has to be formed with the consent of leading aacharyas and Hindu 
religious matathipathis. I honestly hope that the step for forum would be 
initiated by our Aandavan ashram or srimatam or both. It should be made clear 
to the public by eminent men by articles, 'patti mantrams' that the peaceful 
fight is not by Brahmins against other sections of the society but the fight 
against an insensitive order of the Government which cares for a tuppence to 
the heritage and basic faiths of the Hindu religion. The Government is cleverly 
trying to paint this issue as a step to remove the so called monopoly of temple 
priest hood from Brahmins. This myth should be exploded by all peacful methods. 
Large segments of real devotees would oppose the
Government move. They only need a  lead. A Government which proclaims no faith 
in God and worship (but will worship the statues of their leaders, garlend them 
and lit agarbathis!) and which follows the leader who called the believers of 
God as barbarians, ironically brings in legislation makig in roads into temple 
activity. 
  I do not agree that we do not have the strength. Will only is needed and the 
lead has to come from the aacharyas and eminent personalities. They cannot 
expect the common citizen to take up the cause unless they give the lead. I am 
yet to see or hear a single objection from any religous head or men of 
eminence. That is our misfortune.
  A.Govindakrishnan
   










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