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      shreemathi jayashree;
   
   Actually   what i wanted to know is even for female child to be born (From 
the description of panchagni vidya (Chandogya upanishad) we know
that the soul stays in the male body for 2 months and it is in man that it gets 
ready or 'synthesised' to be born. The moment it enters the womb, it is said it 
is born.)
  the procedure must be same since soul does not have any sexdescrimination 
etc., etc., i suppose .
   
    I felt there has to be  some  other reason too .SO, i wanted to clarify 
regarding  if the procedural difference exisits for female baby and male baby 
birth.
   
        I always used to think it is strain for the female to undergo such 
eleoberate procedures as women  are considered to be delicate. however it is 
just physical aspect  i was thinking.
   
   thank you  
     
pranamams 
  krishnapriya
Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA.

Dear Smt krishna priya,
Pranams.

I am glad that you have come up with these two questions.
Let me attempt the answers.
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On 11/20/05, krishna priya <krishna.neela2001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>              shree:
>
>>            Madam,after reading the part -12 posting  in oppiliappan  -
> regarding male issue , i have  small doubt how is female baby is born? is
> there any difference?if so how?As per upanishad texts  because science sees
> no difference in it .Male baby is very important in chinese culture too.does
> that mean they too beleive in pitru tarpanam etc.,?
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If your question is about why females do not do tarpanam / final rites
etc, then I think the combined reading of the 2 appendices I provided
along with part 12, gives the reply.

>From the description of panchagni vidya (Chandogya upanishad) we know
that the soul stays in the male body for 2 months and it is in man
that it gets ready or 'synthesised' to be born. The moment it enters
the womb, it is said it is born. Please read the details in appendix 1
for the justification that the soul goes back in the way it has
entered - that is, through man it enters and through man it leaves to
the other world.

The other plausible justification is the connection of Y chromosome
which goes un-changed down the generations. Only these 2 clues we
have, one from texts and the other from modern science. These two make
me think that continuity happpens only through male.

Another reasoning is that if you look at upanishads like Aithareya and
Brihadaranyaka, it is said that from male, the female is made.
Aithareya says, that God Himself made man in His image , from one part
of Himself. This first born created a female from himself. But since
it is his child he could mate her for procreation and so he entered a
bull and the female became his feamle companion and procreated and
thus it started.

Brihadaranyaka says that Prajapathi created the first female and
through her procreated. After seeing the recent news from the science
of cloning  that a baby has been cloned from 2 fathers, I wonder
whether it is possible to create a female from a male. Because the two
upanishads I quoted testify such a possibility. If this is how the
first births have happened, then there can be no doubt about why males
only have the right to do final rites and tarpanam.

It is our strong belief that this sanatana dharma which says so much
about how to live and sustain dharma with much stronger rational and
scientific basis can not have made this male connection without a
strong basis.

This is the ONLY area where preference to male is given.
The purpose of marriage is 'vishesena vahati iti vivaha:' - that which
gives special rights. One of them or one among the foremost is
procreation. The purpose of procreation is to release the pithrus from
the hell called 'pu'. This is what scriptures say. In Tamil too, the
word 'vaazhkkai' is derived from 'vazhi' and explained as begetting
children to continue the race.

It is in this connection only, the childless ones and those who have
no male issues used to adopt  a male baby. But here comes a hitch. By
adoption, the gothra changes , not the y chromosome. It  used to be
said, that though one has been given for adoption, while fixing
marriages in his lieneage, his parental gothra also must be excluded.
I have known of scholars who had been aware of this, but yielded to
giving consent to marriages within the same gothra by-passing this
stricture of exclusion of that gothra to which the fatehr or any
pithru had belonged, only to see the result in future progeny, being
born with defects.

So it is high time, we construct the family tree atleast till 7
generations, to know that the gothra has continued in straight line. I
mention 7 generations here, because texts say that when a person does
tarpanam in all earnestness, he is said to be releasing 7 generations
proir to him and 7 generations after him. In case of doing it
excellently, 14 generations are releived. This  shows that though 3
generations do have a direct bearing on a person, between 7 to 14
generations are in some way connected to a person by passing some
genetic material.

About Chinese system, i am not aware of it. But since sanatana dharma
has been the sole dharma of the  entire world in the very distant
past, it could have stayed in some places in some ways. (this becoems
the answer to your 2 nd question. )

If you are referring to the chinese system of determining the gender
of babies based on the mother's age, i have this to say. This calendar
is almost near perfect. The explanation and rationale for this exists
in none other than Thirumathram of Thiru moolar, interpreted by Dr
Jayam Kannan.

Generally texts say that a female baby is conceived when mounted on
the left side. I read a mail to this effect in one of the groups
recently on Brahmacharyam. No one exactly knows what this means. But
from the interpretation of some verses from Thirumoolar's, it is known
that it is the female who actually determines the gender of the baby -
not the male (hope no further harassment of women  happens due to
this).

Only one of her ovearies produce a mature egg every month and this
goes alternatingly, that is, at left side one month and at right side
the next  month. There are times too when the same ovary produces
continuously for two months. This routine is almost fixed in all
females. The fluid at left  falloppian tube is such that it inhibits
the movement of x sperms of the male, thereby making the chances of
the y to ferilise the egg. Contrarily, the right falloppian tube
secrets a fluid that inhibits y sperms, resulting in the movement of x
sperms alone through it.

This selection determines the gender - and has been encrypted in the
above mentioned  text. This makes it possible to say how  the Chinese
calandar always tallies. Here again, i am of the opinion that this
knowledge has existed inly in Vedantic society and  has spread to
other places.You will be surprised to read in the last chapter of
Brihadaranyaka upanishad, how even the semen can be retreived by the
male in copulation, thereby avoiding pregnancy. Everything happens by
the power of thought, slokas and mind. By such power, the people of
yore got the male and female too.

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>       2) Madam,if whole of universe is gods creation how is it only india
> or indian  think about vedas? when did all vedas,upanishads got concentrated
> in india?or how is it all  mahavishnu avatharas took place only in india
> when his shristi is  not limited to india only?
>             This doubt is very common doubt( pragna bharathi(RSS wing)
> seminar answered it saying that indian is in center of globe  so it answers
> many ) Still i would like to know further  .
>
>  thanking you
>
> pranamams
>  krishnapriya
>
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Please browse http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Suvarnabhumi.htm
and all the articles in History column in that dot com
www.atributetohinduism.com

You will get a wealth of information on the division of land forms in
those days (mentioned in jambhudweepa nirmana patalam in Bheeshma
parvam, MB), with authentic information on what those areas are in
today's world.

A combined reading of this parvam from MB along with this dotcom will
show that this land of ours was the basis for growth of Vedantic
knowledge and people spread to all these places. The other palces,
barring a  few have lost this heritage and we  fortunately are still
into it, thanks to the importance given to unbroken lienage given by
this vedantic society.

The 6 month duration for a day or for night for devas and asuras tally
with arctic and antartic circle. The mysterious passages I quoted
earlier from Chandogya in the series, on vasus etc about sun rising in
west or south or north can be alluded to this.

A few info from this unitariness of the  world in those days:
The lake Baikal of Siberia is supposed to be lake Vaikhanas. Sage
Yajna valkhya was supposed to have attended the court somewhere here.

Lopamudra is even today the common name for females in Russia and this
also happens to be sage Agasthya's wife! Many tamil scholars refuse to
accept that Agasthya came from North. But this name connection shows
that he had been to deep North. In MB it is said that the Northern
land is a blessed land of seers.

Again the vedic way of identifying oneself in sankalpa starting from
macro level to micro level (from shwetha varaha kalpe onwards till
this day, this place etc) is still followed in postal address in
Russia, wherein the coutry's name is featured on top followed by the
further divisions down the line till the door number and finally the
person's name. We have left this practice found in sanklapa manthra,
to follow in daily life. But they still have it.Which country or
civilisation must have been central to all of these?

Another info. The origin of river Nile was found out only with the
help of a brahmin who interpreted it some purana. It is said to be
Vayu purana. There is mention of this river and its place of origin in
this Purana, it is said. This information is found in the
autobiography/memoirs of John speake who discovered the origin and
named it Lake Victoria. As per the information obtained from that
brahmin, he came to a lake which the locals called Amara located near
the Mountains of the Moon. The sanskrit of mountains of the moon is 
'somagiri'. The lake identified in the puranas was lake Amara. The
names in the local dialects tallied with sanskrit names. Speake
re-named this lake Lake Victoria, which is what we all know it as
today.

Regards,
jayasree


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