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SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA.

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--- In Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, krishna priya 
<neelakrishna2001@xxxx> wrote:
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>          Who am i to go or say against upanishads  such great  
scholarly ,saintly   documents .

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Scriptures also talk of exceptions  - to the 5 oblations.
You can find it in verse 3-1-19 of Brahma sutra whereby it is 
stated " And moreover (cases without the  5th oblation) are recorded 
in the world.'

`Cases like Drona, who had no mother and Draupadi and 
Dhrishtadhyumna, who had neither father nor mother, are recorded in 
the smrithis.'

Usually the route is through what is called 5 oblations or panchagni, 
rain, earth, food, man and woman. This is the route the soul follows.

This is being variously explained  as the heavens, parjanya (water) 
earth, man and woman and so on in Chandogya.
Again it has been said that shraddha, soma, rain, food and seed are 
offered into  5 Agnis.

It is possible to interpret this as the first order said above, as 
(1) by shraddha the soul is entered into the clouds etc, (2) by soma 
(which is often interpreted in Vedas as giving rains) and since rain 
nourishes earth (again there are verses to this effect in Upanishad), 
soma offered into the 2 nd agni reaches the earth. (3) by rain the 
food is made and eaten by man, (4) the food offered gives a form for 
the soul by the name, sperm, and (5) the seed is what is implanted in 
the woman.

Again there are other passages which specifically speak of Shraddha 
being the oblations and again as the 5th oblation. Bhagavad Ramanuja 
has related this sharddha to `water' by quoting appropriate texts 
from  upanishads. Water is the basis of all this. The 5th oblation 
being water means, the soul is born without having to go through the 
mother's womb but by means of power of water, can be born. (perhaps 
in some distant future, science may find out ways of getting the 
foetus grow in a  test tube of `water', and not necessarily through / 
inside the womb. The sruti passages do indicate such a possibility.)

It is noteworthy to remember here how we discussed about water being 
the carrier and transmitter etc in pithru kaaryam. By using water 
along with eLLu in pithru tarpaNam (the actual terminology used is ` 
eLLum thaNNiyum irraitthal') it can also be assumed that water is the 
shraddha, and it is the 5th oblation and therefore makes the pindam 
or eLLu being `born' as the person himself to whom the tarpaNam is 
offered. It is by this shraddha , the 3 levels of pithrus which come 
down to receive the tarpaNam are being made into those persons 
themselves. 

The chandogya says, " For this reason is water in the 5 th oblation 
called man," therefore comes to be designated as man (Ramanuja 
bhashyam to Brahma sutra)

"Shraddha indeed is water" ( Tai. Sa. I.vi. 8.1)


Regards,
jayasree








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