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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rajagopalan, Ramanan (GE Advanced Materials, Consultant) 
To: aazhwar@xxxxxxxx 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:01 PM
Subject: RE: Prapanna ParithrANam



Brahma

"BrahmAvum madhu kaidapargal kaiyil agappattu kann ezhanthu, dhanam ezhanthu, 
nilam thuzhAvi, rudran kaiyilaE thalai aruppundaiyAlum rakshagan AgamAttAn"

Madhu and Kaidapa had once snatched the vedas from Brahma. Hence, he lost all 
the jnAnam and his wealth. In this context, veda is the wealth. This is 
considered as the wealth for andanars (Brahmins). Thirumangai Azhwar refers to 
this as andanar mAttu andhivaitha.... in ThirunetunthAntakam while referrring 
to the AshtAkshara mantram.

Nilam thuzhAvi refers to the aspect of one looking down towards the earth with 
a physical activity with one's feet scratching the ground as a reaction to an 
embarrasing situation. This aspect could be referred to the follwing 
NammAzhwar's pasuram on ArAvayitrAn (popularly known as AppakudathAn in 
ThiruppErnagar, also known as Koviladi)

inRennaip poruLaakkith thannathennuL vaithAn
anRennaip puNarththathen seyvaan?
kunRennath thikazmaadangaL soozthirup pEraan
onRenak karuLcheyya vuNarththaluR REnE.           (TVM 10.8.9)

There was an interesting discussion between Bhattar and Nanjeer about this 
pasuram. Azhwar says that today, Perumal has made him an entity in such a way 
that Perumal has entered in to his body. Where as this was not the case until 
yesterday. What is the justification for this?

Perumal: Azhweer, you have attained all the aspects that a soul needs to attain 
by completely doing Atma samarpanam to me, and that is why I have entered in to 
you. You are so special.

Without taking credit for himself, Azhwar replies with the following statement:

That again is purely because of your nirhEtuka krupai

For this reply, Perumal could not answer any further and hence started to stand 
in a postion where He was looking down and drawing cirlces with His feet. 
Perumal is even a kind enough to do this nilam thuzhAval for bhaktA's sake. In 
this context, Perumal could be considered as Krishna in child form as 
NammAzhwar was completly immersed in "Krishna trishnA tattvam".

On the otherhand, in the case of Brahma he had to do nilam thuzhAval because he 
could not protect himself. Finally, Perumal took Hayagrivar avatAram to get 
back the vedas and protect Brahma. AlavandAr refers to three pathis, prajApathi 
(Brahma), pasupathi (Rudran) and RamApathi (Perumal) when referring to Brahma. 
When Perumal took TriVikrama avatAram, there were two water sources that fell 
on Perumal's feet. One was from the kamadalam of Brahma and the other was from 
MahApali. Rudran took the water that fell from Brahma lOkam on his head to get 
himself purified, and hence got the name Shivan.

Swamy PL also refers to the story where Brahma's head was plucked by Rudran. 
With all the all the above instances it becomes very clear that even Brahma 
cannot protect us from this samsara. 

Let us look into the case of Rudran in the next posting...

aDiyEn,
ramanan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: aazhwar@xxxxxxxx [mailto:aazhwar@xxxxxxxx]
  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:36 AM
  To: Rajagopalan, Ramanan (GE Advanced Materials, Consultant)
  Subject: Re: Prapanna ParithrANam


  Dear Ramanan, As of today mornign I have forwarded  three postings and 2 have 
already appeared in the groups. You might have seen them.

  I have reced. 6 postings with astonishing frequency from you.

  Thanks and regards
  dAsan
  vanamamalai padmanabhan
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rajagopalan, Ramanan (GE Advanced Materials, Consultant) 
    To: aazhwar@xxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:57 PM
    Subject: RE: Prapanna ParithrANam


    Please ignore my previous posting on indra... It should read as pAlakanAi 
instead of nAyakanAi.. My apologies.

    New posting 6..

    Indran

    Swamy PL's discussion on Indran's case is very interesting. He starts with 
the following:

    trilOkya pAlakanAi irundhu eppozhudhu nam padham nazhuvappOgiratho endru 
anchi sApathukku aatpattu...

    Indran is the king of swarga loka, which is third in hierarchy from 
bhoomandalam. Though he is the king of all the devargal, he is always nervous 
not to loose his position. He even gets into lowly acts to maintain his 
position. There was a story of a king who succesfully completed a yAgam to get 
indra padhavi. He used to do lot of dhAna dharma in his kingdom. When he went 
to the swarga loka, Indra somehow wanted to prevent him from adorning the 
throne. When the king answered indra's question on who was the great dharmasali 
in the king's rajyam, the latter had to reply that it was the king him. Indra 
immdietly quoted the king as self-boasting soul and pushed him down back to the 
bhoolokam. 

    Once, Durvasar had the garland prasadam of Sridevi nAchiyAr. He saw indra 
on the way, and gifted it to him. Without showing any respect for that, indra 
put that on his elephant. Unknown of the vaibhavam of the prasadam, the 
elephant put the garland down and stepped on it. Sage Durvasar immediately 
cursed indra to loose all the wealth. In other instance, indra got cursed by 
sage Gautama for misbehaviour with his wife. That time indra got 1000 eyea all 
on his body.

    indrajit kaiyil agappattu..

    Indrajit, the son of Ravana had once defeated indran. That instance is also 
quoted by PL.

    MahAbali pOlvar idathil Iswaryam parikoduthu kannum kanneer kondu kazhuthum 
kappadaiyumAi...

    Mahabali performed yAgam to get indra padhavi. At the time when he was 
about to finish it succesfully, indran was horrified and eventually went and 
fell at the feet of Perumal. kappadai here refers to the torn cloth. A wealthy 
person, when he becomes poor, will always feel ashamed of showing his poor 
status to the external world, and hence will try to hide the torn cloth on his 
body. NammAzhwar refers to this state of a person in one of his pasurams when 
describing the state of a person who will get protected by Perumal. EmPerumAnAr 
has dedicated this pasuram for ThirunArAyanapuram:

    orunNaa yagamaay Oda,vulaguda Nnaandavar,
    karunNaay kavarntha kaalar sidhaigiya paanaiyar,
    perunNaadu kaaNa immaiyilEpichchai thaamkoLvar,
    thirunNaaraNan_thaaL kaalam peRachchindhith thuymminO (TVM 4.1.1)

    This kind of person will not even be able to recognize the dog lying on the 
road, as it would be dark when he comes out of his place. 

    The fourth instance is about Govardana malai. People used to offer food to 
indra, but with the command of Krishna they stopped it once and offered it to 
the hill itself. That was consumed completely by Krishna. He himself is the 
hill, dam and everything as qutoed in sAstras. Krishna specifically did this 
act to show the people that indra is not a nitya (eternal) entity.

    Let us look into the case of Brahma and others in the follwoing postings.

    aDiyEn,
    ramanan
      -----Original Message-----
      From: aazhwar@xxxxxxxx [mailto:aazhwar@xxxxxxxx]
      Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:02 PM
      To: Rajagopalan, Ramanan (GE Advanced Materials, Consultant)
      Cc: sumivaradan@xxxxxxxxx
      Subject: Prapanna ParithrANam



      Dear Ramanan,

      Very Good start .Go ahead please.

      I have slightly made some cosmetic changes in the message. Please convert 
this into suitable colours and fonts. Try to give the pAsuram nos. whenever we 
quote from aruLich cheyal .A suitable heding would be wonderful. 
      I am forwarding it to ramanuja  and vanamamalai groups.

      Why not oppiliappan groups also?


      dAsan
      'vanamamalai padmanabhan
      ps. kinldy finish nArAr iNdai. 



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