Sri: Respected Adiyaars, I have been following the posts on the concept of Casteism. I am throwing in my two cents, or rather something less worthy. * Acarya means, "to lead by example". One of the main Acaryas in our Guru Paramparai is Nammazhwaar. He belongs to the "fourth caste". Well, his "Uyarvara Uyarnalam..", the BANGING statement roars with SriVaishnavism!! Well, if somebody is not ready to accept Sri Kurugoor Nambi as an Acharya because of his "lower birth", well in my humble opinion, he ceases to be a SriVaishnavan. Period. * (Suppose) If Thirukkachi Nambigal enters the madappalli to make Puliyodharai prasadam for perumal (assuming), will one refuse to offer it to perumal?? Or, will one refuse to eat that puliyodarai, yet worse, will one even let him into the madappalli?? Well if thats the case, I pity that person. * Thirumangayazhwar says, "VAdinen VAdi...", he went after all material pursuits before surrendering to Sriman NArAyaNa, I doubt if he was a brahmin by birth. Neither were ThiruppANar, Kulashekharar, NammAzhwAr, BhakthisArar. Can some SriVaishnavan choose to omit their pasurams in the 4000 because of their birth?? * Thulukka Nachiyar. A muslim by birth, and we have a sannidhi for her. * According to the VarAha Purana, AsurAs are born in the brahmin families during Kaliyuga. * "Kalau Sudhra Samudbhavah", lets not forget this statement which means, "everybody is a Sudhra in the Kaliyuga". * In the Bhagavad Gita, Perumal says "Vidhya vinaya Sampanne ... Panditah Sama Darshinah", Which means that a learned person, sees the same entity (soul) in a dog, a dog eater, and even a brahmana!! * Lord RAmA was a Kshatriya by birth, so was SriKrishna, who was also a Yadava by his actions. If one wants to brand everything, how will he brand Lord Narasimha?? Funny, ain't it?? * RAmAnujar broke the concept of Casteism to Shambles, I mean he is most famous for his revolution with respect to overthrowing caste barriers, than even his SriBhAshyam, lets not forget that. And what do we call ourselves?? Oh!! Ok, I gotit, "Ramanuja SampradayA"!! *Personally I would rather read AzhwArs' Arulicheyals than reading Pancharatra Vidhis to brand who is a "Brahmana" and who is not. * Kali is progressing at a rapid rate. We have so many diseases. So many problems, and the worse is yet to come. Let us enjoy the unity of the adiyaars in glorifying Sriman NArAyanA, than fighting with each other, "I am thenkalai, you are vadakalai, I am a brahmin, you are not" * Especially the TK sampradayam is known for its catholicity and leniency towards caste (by birth) issues. It really pains my heart when I see caste-based feuds, and TKs who still stick to the "holier than thou" attitude, just because he is a brahmana by birth. * Brahmana?? My foot. The next time any "Brahmin" in this forum opens his mouth about his Caste, I request him to kindly do some introspection, have a mini flashback. How many movies he had seen. How many "double-meaning" and vulgar jokes he had enjoyed. How many ladies he had drooled on. How many clubs he had been to. How many lies he had uttered. How many transgressions he had committed. How many people he had hurt. How many times he had exhibited arrogant behaviour. How many bad words (or should I say, "Curse words") he had uttered. How many times he had smoked or "sipped". * Let us please leave this bane of casteism far behind and move on. We have lots to learn, Nirhetuka Kripai is still hanging in the forum for discussion. I want the translations and vyakyanams for "Thiruppalliyezhuchi" and many more pasurams. Discussing "Brahmin-non-brahmin", or "Thenkalai-Vadakalai" is shameful to say the least. * If I maybe pardoned, Swami Deiskan is worthy of the same respect that we give to Swami ManavAla MAmunigal, or even Pillai LOkAcharyar. Does it really matter if Swami Desikan wrote a Sthuthi on PL or vice versa?? Even if one wrote a Sthuthi on the other, does it make him any inferior?? Why do we brand Swami Desikan as a VK and then deal with him and his works with such an attitude?? Will Swami MM be happy then, or even Swami PL?? Why should we bother about these issues and do "extensive research" to prove that it was SD who wrote the Lokacharya Panchasat, seriously, what is the big deal??? So what, are we trying to say, "Ha!! I told you so, so SD is inferior"?? * Finally if I may, ThiruppANAzhwar just said, "AmalanAdippiran, adiyArkku ennai Atpaduthiya vimalan", and he didn't say, "THENKALAI adiyaarkku.." or "VADAKALAI adiyaarkku..." * Kindly excuse me for anything hurtful or offensive or arrogant that is obseved. Also, sorry for my ramblings. AzwAr emperumanAr JIyar ThiruvadigalE saranam. Adiyen Dasan, Kidambi SoundararAjan. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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