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Dear Vimal,

I apologize for this statement, but I am surprised to hear these statements
of yours, against brahmana. Let me point out two things:

a) "next time any brahmin..." -> You must have used the phrase, "next time
anyone who claims himself as a brahmin..." By making the former statement,
you are targeting the entire community that includes "ALL OUR JEEYARS,
ACHARYA PURUSHAS" etc. Kindly be specific in your postings.

b) I am surprised, but not angry, to see such statements from you, despite
claiming yourself as the one who wants to follow Vaishnavism. Had your post
been with the theme of "let us pray the lord for the ignorance of those who
claim that they are brahmin and superior by birth and ill treat others etc"
then it would suit the profile of a Shri Vaishnavan. A true Shri Vaishnavan
is the one who does not try to hurt others EVEN IF THEY ARE THE MOST SINFUL
IN THIS UNIVERSE AS PER THE KARMA etc. By making such statements, doesn't it
now project an image that Shri Vaishnavans are superior to those brahmanas?
So, this kind of thought, will again lead Vaishnavas being considered no
different from "those" brahmanas(in a particular period in the history, and
in the current world) who solely claimed their superiority just by birth and
not by their knowledge. Being angry on few sect of people for their
arrogance/ignorance is one thing. Trying to project a wrong thing about an
entire community in a group like this is another. Whatever one may claim,
kindly claim it from a different profile, not under the "Shri Vaishnavan"
cover.

>Brahmana?? My foot. The next time any "Brahmin" in this forum opens
>his mouth about his Caste, I request him to kindly do some 
>introspection, have a mini flashback. How many movies he had seen. 
>How many "double-meaning" and vulgar jokes he had enjoyed. How many 
>ladies he had drooled on. How many clubs he had been to. How many 
>lies he had uttered. How many transgressions he had committed. How 
>many people he had hurt. How many times he had exhibited arrogant 
>behaviour. How many bad words (or should I say, "Curse words") he had
>uttered. How many times he had smoked or "sipped". * Let us please 
>leave this bane of casteism far behind and move on.


Manavala Maamunigal says:
"Azhvaragalayum Aruliccheyalgalayum
Thaazhavaga Ninaippavar dhaam - Naragil Veezhvargal 
Endru Nenje Eppozhudhum nee Avar pal
Sendranugakkoositthiri."
[Dear mind, remember that those who speak ill of the azhvars and their
aruliccheyals would go to naraka and hence never go near them].

Look at the usage of swamy Maamunigal. One may interpret that he is cursing
those, who talk ill of azhwars, to go to narakam. This is a wrong
interpretation that araises due to vipareetha gnyanam. He doesn't curse
those as that wouldn't suit his profile of Shri Vaishnava. He warns his own
MIND, that he has heard that those who speak ill of azhwars would go to
narakam and hence it should not think ill of them and that it should not go
near to those who speak such way.

As I had mentioned above, I am still surprised, but I am not trying to say
you are wrong nor am I trying offend you by any means. I hope you understand


May lord Shriman Narayana bless you with the right Acharyan and bestow all
his blessings.

Sarva Aparadhaan Kshamasva

Yatheendra Pravanam Vandhe RAMYA Jamataram Munim

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,
Lakshmi Narasimhan

{Moderator's note:
In the pAsuram that srI. lakshmi narasimhan quotes, "narakam"
is also understood to mean general existence in the samsAric world that
we all inhabit . i.e. if one does not follow the teachings of
AzhvArs and AchAryAs, they will continue to wallow in this samsAric
misery}




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