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Sri:
Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

Dear Smt Nappinnai,

In the VK sampradhayam, they do not chant the "nama
shrishaila ..." thaniyan. As you rightly pointed out
this is the thaniyan for Srishaileshar (Thiruvaymozhi-
p-piLLai) and was written by Manavala Mamunigal himself
for his acharya. In the VK sampradhayam, this is the
point in the sarrumurai that they deviate - they
recite the thaniyan "namO rAmAnujAryAya ..." which 
is a thaniyan for Atreya Ramanuja who is the acharya
for Sri Vedanta Desikar. It is followed by the
Desikar thaniyan "rAmAnuja dayApAtram ..." (this
Ramanuja refers to Atreya Ramanuja and not Bhagavad
Ramanuja).

By the way, adiyEn has a question about the "sarva
dEsa ..." - was it written by Manavala Mamunigal 
or by Nanjeeyar (who was also known as Periya Jeeyar)?

I don't think I have put the "nama srIshaila ..." 
thaniyan in the VK sarrumurai document. I do have a 
combined document where this thaniyan and the "namO
rAmAnujAryAya ..." thaniyan together. This is for
the use of my santhai class where because we have
mixed group of students, we recite the sarrumurai
kramam of both sampradayams.

Azhvar Emperumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam

adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan

--- nappinnai_nc <nappinnai_nc@xxxx> wrote:
> Sri:
> Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:
> Dear Ramesh,
> Accept my pranams. Tiru ArAdhana kramam was
> introduced and 
> systematised by Sri MaNavALa mAmunigaL(based on
> EmperumAnAr's samskrt 
> work). Sri Ramanuja is the AcArya for both kalais and
> hence it 
> perfectly makes sense to chant "sarva dhEsha" by both
> kalais.
> On the other hand,the "nama: srishaila" invokes
> Sri 
> ShailEsha or TiruvAymozhi PiLLai,who was the AcArya of
> Sri Periya 
> Jeeyar. TiruvAymozhi PiLLai is in the lineage of
> TennAcAryas and VK's 
> AcArya lineage is different. So, obviously VKs would/may
> not chant
> "nama: srishaila nAThAaya". Anyways I have not listened
> to their 
> sARRumuRai chanting(except once). So I do not remember
> this thaniyan 
> being chanted by them as I was busy chanting TK
> sARRumuRai within my 
> heart. But Sri TCA Venkatesan has put this thaniyan in VK
> sARRumuRai 
> sampradayam also. May some learned devotee would explain
> whether or 
> not it is really chanted by VKs.
> 
> AzhvAR EmperumAnAr JIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
> NC Nappinnai
> 
> 
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "S.RAMESH SAMPATH"
> <sramesh@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > Dear Bhagavatas
> > 
> > Adiyen is from Muscat Iyengar's group. I have got a
> doubt about 
> sathumurai
> > kramam of Thenkalai & Vadakalai Sampradayam.
> > 
> > In the Tenkalai sathumurai kramam, we chant
> > 'sarva desha dasa kaleshva vyahatha parakrama
> > ramanujarya divyagna varthatham abi varthamam'
> > which was made by Periya Jeer (swami Manavala
> Mamunigal) which is 
> also
> > chanted by vadakalai sampradayam
> > 
> > However there is another verse in the same sathumurai
> kramam of 
> Thenkalai
> > made by Periya Jeer (swami Manavala Mamunigal)
> > 'nama srisaila nathaya kunthi nagara janmane
> > prasadha labda paramaprapya kainkarya saline'
> > which is not chanted by vadakalai.
> > 
> > Adiyen has got a very little knowledge in our
> sampradayam. However 
> if
> > anyone can clarify on this doubt, I will be thankful.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > S. Ramesh
> > '
> 
> 


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