--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Lakshmi Narasimhan" <nrusimhan@xxxx> wrote: > Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha > > Dear Shri Vishnu, > I apologize for not being able to understand your style of writing. I > don't know whether you are asking questions, or whether you are just > making some comments. Please forgive me for the same. Meanwhile, I > have tried to understand one of your questions and am replying to the > same. > > > If the God wants to give mOksha to the jIva, why would He expect > > something in return? He neither loses nor gains in the process. > This is exactly what I had explained in my previous post regarding > swaroopam and swabhavam. Lord loses nothing as per his swaroopam. But > his swabhavam is such that he eagerly expects the jeevatma to turn > towards HIM out of "its" will and not by HIS will. > Dear Sriman Narasimhan, According to Alwars, that mind set of turning toward Him is also created by Him. So it is He who opens our door, though we shut it. You yourself have said that Alwars say that they have not done anything to get Him. To me what they say appears to be logical and convincing. That is why I am saying even the mind set is created by Him and love for Him generated by Him. So nothing is forced on us. In "Vadinen Vadi" pASuram, thirumangai Alwar says he got the Thirumantra while he was going after ladies. So is he not conveying that there need be no effort from us? In the very beginning of ThiurvAimozhi, Nammalwar says, the gnAna abt Him is given by Him out of His grace. Same thing is taught in sanskrit by Alawandar as he says "aklishta gnAnam" (easy knowledge - since it needs no efforts from the learner!) in the beginning of stotra ratna. As I said in previous posting, our ahankAra and mamakAra are the stumbling block in His getting us and nobody goes there with ego. But He Himself will do the virOdhi nirasanam i.e. removing those obstacles as we are not supposed to protect ourselves (since we cannot). Alwars' teachings are very practical and confidence building, I was taught. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Vishnu
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