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--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Lakshmi Narasimhan" 
<nrusimhan@xxxx> wrote:
> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha
> 
> Dear Shri Vishnu,
> I apologize for not being able to understand your style of writing. 
I 
> don't know whether you are asking questions, or whether you are 
just 
> making some comments. Please forgive me for the same. Meanwhile, I 
> have tried to understand one of your questions and am replying to 
the 
> same.
> 
> > If the God wants to give mOksha to the jIva, why would He expect 
> > something in return? He neither loses nor gains in the process.
> This is exactly what I had explained in my previous post regarding 
> swaroopam and swabhavam. Lord loses nothing as per his swaroopam. 
But 
> his swabhavam is such that he eagerly expects the jeevatma to turn 
> towards HIM out of "its" will and not by HIS will.
> 

Dear Sriman Narasimhan,

According to Alwars, that mind set of turning toward Him is also 
created by Him. So it is He who opens our door, though we shut it.
You yourself have said that Alwars say that they have not done 
anything to get Him. To me what they say appears to be logical and 
convincing. That is why I am saying even the mind set is created by 
Him and love for Him generated by Him. So nothing is forced on us.

In "Vadinen Vadi" pASuram, thirumangai Alwar says he got the 
Thirumantra while he was going after ladies. So is he not conveying 
that there need be no effort from us?

In the very beginning of ThiurvAimozhi, Nammalwar says, the gnAna abt 
Him is given by Him out of His grace. Same thing is taught in 
sanskrit by Alawandar as he says "aklishta gnAnam" (easy knowledge - 
since it needs no efforts from the learner!) in the beginning of 
stotra ratna.

As I said in previous posting, our ahankAra and mamakAra are the 
stumbling block in His getting us and nobody goes there with ego.
But He Himself will do the virOdhi nirasanam i.e. removing those 
obstacles as we are not supposed to protect ourselves (since we 
cannot). 

Alwars' teachings are very practical and confidence building, I was 
taught. 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan
Vishnu





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