Hi, There are things like possibles and probables. It is not enough to merely show that "pAncharAtra doctrine has vEdic basis" is possible - One has to demonstrate that is is probable; or probable enough so that other possibilities should border on improbability. IMHO, none have demonstrated the latter - only the former (with utmost respect to dEsika as well as to yAmunachArya). I am aware of the proposed arguments by our AchAryas. Regards, KK --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote: > You need not do any research on it. Please learn "Agama prAmANya" of > yAmuna and "pAncharAtra rakshA" of dESika from a person knowing > sanskrit. Things will be clear then. > > Regards > Vishnu > --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k@xxxx> wrote: > > Dear List, > > > > There is a claim that pancharatra belongs to ekayana branch of > shukla- > > yajurvEda and hence it is very much vedic, which is now lost. > Though > > it is not new that all shaiva, shAkta and vaishNava Agamas claim > > derivation from shruti, the claims are dismissed by "orthodox" > > vaidikas. Pancharatra was opposed as heretical by the mimamsaka > > kumarila bhatta and the vedantin shankara seemed to accept it. > > VaikhAnasas fare better, as they are securely placed as a sub- > branch > > of taittiriyas, which is a known and living shAkhA, and vaikhAnasa > > Agamas employ only vedic mantras. > > > > The drawback is that ekAyana shAkha is non-existent as of now and > any > > speculation on its contents is just that - mere speculation. > > > > However, I feel there is a case that could be made for the > legitimacy > > of the claim. > > 1. Though it is customary for Agamas & tantras to claim derivation > > from vEdas, it is rare to mention the exact branch, as in our case. > > 2. EkAyana is mentioned in chAndOgya brAhmaNa. > > 3. I noticed a very interesting thing - ShAndilya, one of the > > prominent figure in pAncharAtra doctrine features as authority in > the > > middle adhyAyas of shatapatha brAhmaNa. (yAgnyavalkya being the > other > > central authority in the rest of the adhyAyas. Views of other minor > > teachers mentioned here and there, but it is the views of > > yAgnyavalkya or shAndilya that are accepted). > > > > So, pAncharAtra may have arisen from a branch of shukla-yajur veda > > after all. > > > > Regards, > > KK
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