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Hi,
There are things like possibles and probables. It is not enough to 
merely show that "pAncharAtra doctrine has vEdic basis" is possible - 
One has to demonstrate that is is probable; or probable enough so 
that other possibilities should border on improbability. 
IMHO, none have demonstrated the latter - only the former (with 
utmost respect to dEsika as well as to yAmunachArya). I am aware of 
the proposed arguments by our AchAryas.

Regards,
KK

--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote:
> You need not do any research on it. Please learn "Agama prAmANya" 
of 
> yAmuna and "pAncharAtra rakshA" of dESika from a person knowing 
> sanskrit. Things will be clear then.
> 
> Regards
> Vishnu
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "amshuman_k" <amshuman_k@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > Dear List,
> > 
> > There is a claim that pancharatra belongs to ekayana branch of 
> shukla-
> > yajurvEda and hence it is very much vedic, which is now lost. 
> Though 
> > it is not new that all shaiva, shAkta and vaishNava Agamas claim 
> > derivation from shruti, the claims are dismissed by "orthodox" 
> > vaidikas. Pancharatra was opposed as heretical by the mimamsaka 
> > kumarila bhatta and the vedantin shankara seemed to accept it. 
> > VaikhAnasas fare better, as they are securely placed as a sub-
> branch 
> > of taittiriyas, which is a known and living shAkhA, and 
vaikhAnasa 
> > Agamas employ only vedic mantras.
> > 
> > The drawback is that ekAyana shAkha is non-existent as of now and 
> any 
> > speculation on its contents is just that - mere speculation. 
> > 
> > However, I feel there is a case that could be made for the 
> legitimacy 
> > of the claim.
> > 1. Though it is customary for Agamas & tantras to claim 
derivation 
> > from vEdas, it is rare to mention the exact branch, as in our 
case.
> > 2. EkAyana is mentioned in chAndOgya brAhmaNa.
> > 3. I noticed a very interesting thing - ShAndilya, one of the 
> > prominent figure in pAncharAtra doctrine features as authority in 
> the 
> > middle adhyAyas of shatapatha brAhmaNa. (yAgnyavalkya being the 
> other 
> > central authority in the rest of the adhyAyas. Views of other 
minor 
> > teachers mentioned here and there, but it is the views of 
> > yAgnyavalkya or shAndilya that are accepted).
> > 
> > So, pAncharAtra may have arisen from a branch of shukla-yajur 
veda 
> > after all.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > KK





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