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Q&A with students at University Of Illinois at Chicago . ? Summer 2000 
=================================================================================================Continuation
 with Topic: Acharyas & Spiritual Knowledge? (Read that Q&A first)
==================================================================================================================================================================================================Question:
 There are many gurus and teachers who offer a means to God-realization. Are 
their teachings received through a lineage that comes from God? If so, can I 
have one of them as my Acharya? 
=================================================================================================Answer:
 While the present day culture of India offers us a number of gurus and 
so-called ?god-men?, virtually none of them followed a formal lineage of 
scholars who can prove that they hail from Sriman Narayana. While some of them 
may have a learned a few things from their own gurus, most of their teachings 
were left from them to infer on their own. Consequently, you will find that 
many of their teachings will be filled with contradictions and sometimes, may 
have radical concepts that are not considered valid by those who have studied 
the Vedas under a qualified Acharya. The message of a valid Acharya will always 
be clear and concise, and very much in accordance with the parampara. 

"LaksmiNatha Samarambham, Natha Yamuna Madhyamam AsmadAcharya Paryantam Vande 
Guruparamparam "

=====================================================================================================================Question:
 So, can we say that these gurus who cannot claim a proper lineage are ?fake? 
Acharyas. 
=====================================================================================================================Answer:
 All we can say is we that these specific gurus are not recognized to part of 
our Acharya parmpara. 

===========================================================================================================Question:
 How do you know whether a guru is authentic or not? 
=====================================================================================================================Answer:
 For this day and age, the key measuring gauge is Bhagavad Sri Ramanuja 
himself. If a teacher can show that he is linked through a direct line of 
teachers to Ramanuja, and can prove that what he teaches is only what Ramanuja 
has taught, then that individual can be accepted as a bonafide teacher. 

=====================================================================================================================Question:
 Some gurus are known for their wondrous miracles, such as being able to 
magically appear and disappear in locations far away from where they actually 
are, can produce objects at will, having sacred ash or elixir emanate from 
their photos on the other end of the world, etc. How do we explain these 
phenomena?
=================================================================================================Answer:
 
Some of the gurus of the day have gained siddhis, or powers to control nature, 
through their good deeds and penance of previous lives. The ability to acquire 
such siddhis is known to be part of the Vedas. But, our Acharyas teach us that 
these siddhis are regarded to be very dangerous, since the meditation required 
to acquire and maintain them requires tremendous physical and mental control; 
and could prove harmful to the person having these siddhis and the as well as 
those that they use them on, if not performed properly. 

Besides, all these powers belong only to this world, and really cannot save us 
from the endless cycle of birth and re-birth. The only One who can save us is 
Sriman Narayana. Consequently, instead of seeking miracles and miracle-workers, 
we should seek out the wisdom of a qualifed teacher who can not only help us 
make our life in this world better for ourselves and all those in our lives, 
but can also connect us to the Only Being in this Universe who can provide us 
with the Ultimate Miracle, Salvation. 

Bhagawath Gita: 4: 2 
evam parampara-prAptam imAm rAjarsayo viduhu sa kAleneha mahatA yogo naStaH 
parantapa 
"The Real Knowledge, was this received via a disciplinic succession (lineage of 
Acharyas)..... 

A bonafide Acharya does not change the Real Science, or alter it, He revels it 
AS it is. All the Ramanuja Jeeyar and Acharyas Swamis are in this disciplinic 
succession. There are about 14 or so Jeeyars and about 74 or so Acharya Purusha 
lineages currently following this tradition and imparting the true message from 
LORD. 

=================================================================================================Question:
 You mentioned Acharya is Like god, is there any proof for this. (or is it just 
a feeling) 
=================================================================================================Answer:
 Acharya to be treated as Lord Himself. In Srimad Bhagawatham 11.17.26 
AchAryam mAm vijAniyAn nAvamanyeta karchit na martya-buddhyAsUyeta 
sarva-devamayo guruh "One should understand the Acharya to be as Me, Never 
think of Acharya as a ordinary man. because HE is sum total of all the devas" 

Acharya is identified with GOD himself. He has the capacity to deliver us, 
fallen souls to the LORD and help us acheive the purpose of life.

Please note that the intitated devotees, treat Acharya as GOD Himself, but a 
Acharya never calls himself GOD. He is pained to see suffering of all being and 
wants help them in every way in this life & also to attain Moksha. 

=================================================================================================Question:
 How do we know one Acharya is in the lineage Started by GOD ? Is the 
RamanujaSampradaaya the only one started by GOD, or are there any other ones? 
=================================================================================================Answer:
 We know that all Vaishnava sampradAyas make a consistent effort to maintain 
the continuity of the Wisdom that has been brought to us by Sriman Narayana. 
Therefore, all of them have a parampara of teachers that finds its teachings in 
God. However, among all of them, the Ramanuja Sampradaya is the only one where 
there have been no dilutions or contradictions. The unbroken chain of wisdom 
remains as lucid today, as it was at the time of Ramanuja, as it was when the 
Lord first revealed it to Sri. Consequently, even scholars who do not follow 
the faith recognize it to be complete and irrefutable. 

=================================================================================================Questions:
 All that is sought in spiritual knowledge is Chit, Achit & Ishwara, or is 
there more. 
=================================================================================================Answer:
 There is so much more, but all that this knowledge does to us is, make us 
realize the purpose of our life and helps us understand NOT to block his grace 
with our ego and then helps us get there (Moksha), with HIS Grace. 

Other important things only a qualified Acharya can teach you Mumukshupadi, 
TatvaTrayam, SriVachanbhushanam, Bhagawad Vishayam and Artha Panchaka.

I will give some details here to give you an idea: Mumukshupadi covers 

Thirumantram (Aum Namo Narayanaya)

Dwayam (Sriman Narayana Charanau Saranam Prapadye, Srimathe Narayanaya Nama:)

Charama Slokam (Sarva Dharaman Parityajya Maam Ekam Saranam Vraja ! Aham Tva 
Sarva papebyo Mokshyishyami Ma Sucha: !!)



Artha Panchakam covers: 

1. Who am I; 2. Who is God ;3. How can one Achieve the purpose of Live(Moksha) 
; 4. What are the obstacles to this ; 5. How to overcome these obstacles. ; 

To learn the answers to these questions you need a bonafide Acharya. Just 
reading a book will not help. Artha Panchaka is just an example, there is so so 
smuch of Real Education we need to get. 

=================================================================================Question:
 Why you say just reading from a book is not enough? why do you need the 
acharya to teach ?
=================================================================================Answer
 Material Science can be read from a book, and you can go to a Metirial School 
and learn even become a Nobel Prize winner, but in your next life you do not 
know what you will be. 

You are back to Square One. 

What use is this education in the long run for the Atma, when you are being 
born again and again in the BhuLoka. For the real purpose of life we seek 
Spiritual Education. 

We can read the Mula Granthas (original texts, like Bhgawath Gita, Vedas, 
Dhivya Prabhandas etc) from books tapes, cds etc. but to understand the 
meanings we need a Bonafide Acharya. Because of our imperfect perceptions, we 
cannot undertand the text as it is meant to be, but RamanujAcharyas because of 
passing down the knowledge as taught by the lord, give us the correct 
interpretations and attitude. 

In the absence of proper disciplinary training through a Bonafide Acharya, we 
(the fallen souls) are sure to err in some form or the other. 

In the Padma Purana it is said "sampradAya-vihIna ye mantras te nisphalA mataH" 
Unless intiated by a bonafide spiritual master, the mantras you receive is 
without any effect." 

In Mumukshupadi (A Rahasya Grantha by Pillai Lokacharya), it says: 

For the Mantra to take effect, 1. One has to be intitiated by a qualified 
acharya, 2. Have faith in the Mantra 3. and utmost respect and regard in the 
Acharya who taught us the Mantra. 

=================================================================================Question:
 I still do not understand why we cannot read this from a book or Tape or CD. 
Why do we need to only get this from a Acharya?
=================================================================================Answer:
 Dear Devotees: Our knowledge is tooo imperfect, poor and inconsistent, Our 
senses are so imperfect and our abilities to understand are so limited, that it 
is not possible for us to have any way or means to realize the purpose of life. 
We should surrender ourselves (it is a one time act, once we actually 
surrender, we stop obstructing HIS grace) to the lotus feet of Bhagawath 
Ramanuja & his Representative (Bonafide Acharya). 

Bhagawath Gita (4:34) tad viddhi pranipathena pariprasnena sevaya....... 

We are so so so very blessed to have "RAMANUJA Acharyas" who grace us by 
accepting to save us from this karmic cycle of Life and death. 

We have RamanujaAcharyas teach us all the way from India , over a telephone 
bridge, This type of accessibility to an Acharya and the oppurtunity to learn 
from him comes only to a very very blessed selected souls. 

We have Bhagawad Githa, Upanishads, Veda Saram, Bhagawad Vishayam, Sri 
Bhashyam, Mumukshupadi and much much more being taught to us by qualified 
acharyas directly from India . We are so blessed, and should not resist the 
grace of the Lord that flows via these acharyas to us. See handout for various 
discourses offerred over tele-bridge from India . 

These answers are getting very very long and detailed, but it seems that there 
are many more hands up on the air, and more questions are to follow, please let 
us continue this in the next session. 

We have gone beyond out time here. These questions are very valid and we are 
very happy if these discussions lead to a interest in the Guruparampara and Sri 
Vaishnava Sampradaya, more importantly if students at UIC and other friends who 
have not been intitiated yet, learn more and get intiated and start the soul's 
destined journey to Moksha. 





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