srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha Dear srI guNa: I do not believe that you wrote anything inappropriate. Further, it seems that, if there is a shrill response to what you wrote, it may stem from folks who paid scant attention to the actual problem, that the original posting from srI mukundan was flawed: *********************** Sri Mukundan wrote: >(2) To get back the grand glory of LORD of seven hills. ********************* To explicitly opine, as the statement above does, that the grand glory of tiruvEngaDamudayAn, has somehow been lost, and we in our infinite wisdom and immense capabilities, can do something to restore that glory, is both flawed and inconsistent with rAmAnuja darshanam. So, your post accurately states what needs to be said, that whatever kainkaryam our Acharyan says is worth purusing, that the glory of tiruvEngaDamuDaiyAn is unaffected by what we, in this day and time, mere mortals with clearly substantive deficiencies, may perceive or not. Shastram says, of the five states of perumAL as poorNamada: poorNamidam poorNath poorNam udachyathE poorNasya poorNamAdAya poorNamEva avashishyathE And the nilai (state) with the most poorthi, as smt. Sheela Belur succintly pointed out, is the Archavataram. The six attributes that define srImannArAyaNa in his para swaroopam (gnyAna bala aishwarya veerya shakti tEjas) are fully resident in this most magnificent of archavatarams at tiruvEngaDam. There is another troubling aspect to this issue. Some bhAgavathas, in their immense 'enthusiasm', have started labelling this mantram (Om namO venkatEsAya) as ashTakshari. This is totally inappropriate, as the only ashTAkshari for rAmanuja sampradayam is tirumantram. To label anything else as ashTakshari goes against the spirit of the way shown by swAmy rAmAnuja (There is also a logical problem with such labelling, since it wont withstand the test of basic meemamsa, that a word should fulfil both the 'yaugika' and 'rooDhi' meanings per vyAkaraNa). The other danger such usage poses is, tomorrow, someone else will come along and say 'Om Namo subrahmanyAya' is also ashTakshari and a couple of days later will postulate that 'Om namO gaNapathayE' as ashTakshari. The solution to all this lies in going back to what that unique gem (ratnam) in our poorvAchArya-hAram, swAmy mAmunikaL, says in upadEsa rattinamAlai: "munnOr mozhinda muRai tappAmal kETTu, pinOrndu tAm adanaip pESAdE, tam nenjil tOnrinadE solli, idu Suddha upadESavaravARRadenbar mUrKarAvAr" That we faithfully walk the path shown by the acharyas of the orAN vazhi, and never worry about engendering new ideas and 'creative' ways to help 'perumAL'. Whatever I am stating above is clearly targeted towards opinions expressed on this list, and simply part of a discussion. These are mere view points of someone who is very ignorant, and no offense towards any acharya or bhagavatha is intended or meant, and if any is perceived, please forgive this neesan. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dasan, sridhar --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "gunsee" <gunsee@xxxx> wrote: > > Sri: > Dear Swamin > Adiyen wish to clarify few points on my earlier mail , though I had > it in mind it was reflected in words :( > Adiyen could understand the motive behind the Jeeyar's initiative , > and agreed it should be in line with your message too and also as > Smt.Chitra Madhan put it across when we started writting His nAma we > started thinking about Him and His KalyAna gunAs and its really > wonderful to do so. > > So my query was not to question Sri .Tridhandi Chinna Jeeyar swamy > (for which Adiyen neechan has no gnAnam and Anushtanam , totally not > fit as well), my thinking was mainly to fellow bhAghavadAs mind set > while writting this nAmA. > > Adiyen's apologies at the feet of Alarmel mangai samedha Thiruvengada > MudayAn, Sri. Jeeyar swamy and bhAghavAdas for hurting the feelings > of SriVaishnavAs. > > Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan > Guna > > --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ramanujam Varada Srinivasa Thatta" > <acharyatvsr@xxxx> wrote: > > > > Dear Sriman Guna, > > The wording in the message is wrong. It should have been "To > restore the > > Glory of the Kshettram". Our Lord will never lose His Glory because > He is in > > everything and everything is within Him. > > Whatever be the motive (it is definitely a noble one if Jeeyar > Swamiji has > > initiated this), to write or recite the Lord,s names we should be > blessed > > and it is possible only due to the Grace of the Lord, showered on > us due to > > His Causeless Mercy. No Samsayam is warranted in this case. > > Adiyen, > > Ramanuja Dasan. > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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