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Dear all.,

Even for those who are intent on the 'Araychi' - there is no pretext for
such a question.

According to the story, Both Devaki and Yasoda beget a child at the same time.
Krishna was brought to Gokulam and in exchange Yasoda's child was taken back
to Kamsa's prison. Then the yasoda's child (Maya) when killed by Kamsa 
announces to
him that the actual eighth born is growing elsewhere.

So, when both the moms have just delivered a baby whereis the question of
not secreting the milk?????

Ceratinly, this Araychi or question has no pretext as said by our Acharyas.

-arulmari.


----- Original Message -----
From: Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxxxxxx>
To: ramanuja <ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, vanamamalai 
<Vanamamalai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, divyadesams <divya_desam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Vanamamalai] Fw: [Oppiliappan] Re: Bhattar
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:33:25 +0530

> 
> Sri TCA's clarification
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TCA Venkatesan
> To: Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:50 PM
> Subject: [Oppiliappan] Re: Bhattar
> 
> 
> Sri:
> 
> Dear Sri Padmanabhan and Sri Sudarshan Swamins,
> 
> The almost same question and answer dialog as in
> Thiruppavai pasuram 25 is given in Periya Thirumozhi
> (pasuram 5-10-7) vyakhyanam.
> 
> Bhattar is quoted as saying "avarkaLukku mulai
> suravA ninRathAkil ivan anjA ninRAnAkil umakku
> ivvArAycchi enthAn?"
> 
> I think the use of the word "ArAycchi" here rather
> than the word "sEtham" perhaps makes it clear what
> Bhattar's intent is. It appears that Bhattar is
> pointing out that there is no need to do intense
> research on who Krishna's true mother was, who
> gave milk to Him and why, etc. It is best to simply
> enjoy the Lord's acts as explained by Azhvars and
> Acharyas.
> 
> You can see the translation of the whole dialog
> between Nanjeeyar (who asked the question) and
> Bhattar at
> 
> http://www.acharya.org/articles/aditlooa/aditlooa068.html
> 
> adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan
> 
> 
> --- Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Dear SwAmi, Usually sri bhattar reply will be in a manner where the
> > essence of the doubt is clarified precisely.
> >
> > For example, when somebody asked in the context of the
> > thiru-vioi-mozhip pAsuram "AnAllan, pen allan",  What is
> > the gender of the Lord then? kindly refer to EDu for
> > thiru-voi-mozhi pAsuram 2-5-10;
> >
> > sri bhattar incisively clarified that He is the supreme
> > purushothaman the paramAthmA in contrast to the
> > jEvAthmAs.
> >
> > However, here instead of such repliy, the reply is" How
> > are you the loser?" "..vumakkuch sEdham en?" This is rare as when 
> > we see sri bhattar's precise
> > clarificiations,
> > such type of replies are rare.
> >
> > The cynical reply makes this interesting. Perhpas, the
> > quesitoner might have asked not with a view of getting
> > clarification but with a view of finding fault or finding
> > contradictions.(of course this is my conjecture)
> >
> > Thank YOu
> >
> > rAmAnuja dAsan
> > vanamamalai padmanabhan
> >   ----- Original Message -----   From: sudarshan madabushi   To: 
> > Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 6:23 
> > PM
> >   Subject: Re: [Oppiliappan] Bhattar
> >
> >
> >
> >   --- Message: 1           >    Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:01:51 +0530
> >   >    From: Padmanabhan <aazhwar@xxxxxxxx>
> >   > Subject: thiruppAvai 25
> >   > HOW ARE YOU THE LOSER?
> >   >> The reply was " If mother's milk cannot spring from
> >   > her and He does not drink milk" are you the loser?
> >   > 'avaLukku mulai suravA ninradhAgil, ivan amudhu
> >   > mulai vuNNA ninRAnAgil, vumakkuch chEdham en?'
> >   > In fact, this kind of reply is a rarity but
> >   > intersting.
> >   > (to be continued)
> >   > vanamamalai padmanabhan
> >
> >   Dear Member,
> >   It is not clear from the above what exactly Bhattar
> >   meant, though the question posed to him seems
> >   reasonable enough. Request you to please elaborate.
> >   Would also like to appreciate that bit you call is a
> >   "rarity and interesting".
> >   Thank you,
> >   respectfully,
> >
> >   dAsan,
> >   Sudarshan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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