Dear Harini,
As per Adiyen's understanding, our pramanams say their is a "Sorkam" and "Narakam". Yema dharmarajan is incharge of "Narakam" and Indra is incharge of "Sorkam" and a Jeevathma temporarily "suffers" or "enjoys" in direct proportion to his Pavam and Punniayam. I heard the concept of " A Jeevathma, temporarily enjoying in Sorkam and once the tenure is over, the jeevathma will be pushed onto the world" from U.Ve.Vellukudi krishnan's swamy upanyasam yesterday. So a mere enjoyment as a state of Sorkam, i think, is not as per our Vishistadvaita school of thought as per our Emperumanar Darsanam.
Again adiyen request the learned members of this group to throw some light on this and correct Adiyen if some viewpoint is wrong.
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,
Varadarajan
Harini Raghavan <harini_r@xxxx> wrote:
srImathE rAmAnujayA namaha
Namo NaaraayaNa
A jIvAtma goes to sorgam actually means taking birth in a higher realm and
narakam can be equated to lower realm. If we have a lot of positive karmA
accumulated, then we have the capacity to be born as a deva etc. But the
point to be noted is when we are born as a devata / lower being we will
still be accumulating karma (could be bad or good based on our actions) We
will be accumulating karmA whenever we take birth based on aur actions -
this is an inevitable rule according to our religion. Only perumAL has the
capacity (according to Sri Vaishnavism) to liberate us from this endless
cycles of birth and death. So having punyam / papam only determines the way
you are born.
It has been *my* understanding that going to sorkam and narakam doesnt
exactly mean exhausting our bad / good karma ... Its just that you get a
higher (could be a devata)/lower form of life (as someone in nether world)
depending on your karma and accordingly you undergo happiness (can be
equated to sorkam) and suffering (can be equated to narakam). And the
actions resulting during a birth, also adds karma. Hence it is good to
understand the purpose of life and try to get out of this endless cycle.
Learned members may please correct me here. Please pardon me for any
mistakes.
If someone could explain exactly what our elders meant by sorgam and narakam
it will be more enlightening. Thanks.
nArAyaNa nArAyaNa
>Dear Bhagavatas,
>
>Adieyen has a basic doubt in the treatment of Jeevathma after his
>encounters in Sorgam and Naragam. As per my understanding, a jeevathma
>goes to Sorgam and enjoys the comforts there in direct proportion to the
>"Punniyams" in his credit. Similarly he suffers in Naragam which is also
>in direct proportion to the "Pavams" in his credit. Once this treatment is
>over, he has a zero balance of "punniams" and "pavams" and he becomes
>eligible for moksham, if he realises and practices the "Artha Panchakam".
>But my doubt is where comes the re-birth of jeevathama again in this "leela
>vibudhi" as he now has a zero balance of "Punniyams" and "Pavams" (They
>have been spent or compensated in Sorgam or Naragam). Is it an oppurtunity
>provided by the emperuman to realise HIM and MOKSHAM.
>
>I request the learned members of this group to clarify the same.
>
>Adiyen,
>
>Varadarajan Ramanuja Dasan.
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