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Dear Sri Parthasarathy swamin,
jai sriman Narayan

Thanks a lot for the explanations on nirhetuka krupai vis-a-vis the vadagalai school of thought .

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"' Free will ': If Sri. Venkat ramanan has mentioned the context in which the topic"free will was discussed , it would have
been helpful to elucidate easily. However, the topic is dealt with in general."
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.The context in which i sought an explanation on the concept of free will, was that the iskcon devotee (russian) claimed that he himself consiously chose vaishnavism and that he could have chosen anything and was still free to do so.He claimed it was a matter of free will.Though he did contradict himself when he i told him that it was Krishna who is responsible for everything,he still refused to budge from his concept of free will.


Please excuse my ignorance, but i still am left with a doubt.

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Then kalai sect holds the view that Nirhethuka krubai is the grace showered on devotees by Emperuman without any condition

Infact, He is the creator of the Leela Vibhuthi consisting of Jeevas and prakruthi.. HE desires that all jeevas should reach him in paramapada and enjoy just like Nitya suris. He is waiting for the consent of jeevas to redeem them from samsara. He waits
patiently and try to create interest among jeevas about him by various means. He is all merciful, easy to approach to those who have faith in him. Having created interest in them He slowly developes it till it becomes mature enough to reach him. Prapathi is the intense desire on the part of Jeeva to attain peruman. We are all Srivaishnavas and have undergone amarayanam under one Acharya who will guide us in the Atma yatra. No seperate exercise is necessary to show our faith.

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  If the lord is waiting for the consent of the jeevas,doesnt it undermine our Tennacharya position that we have no free will.Or does it mean that we have free will but dont exercise our free will voluntarily after we accept the swatantrata of  the lord and surrendering onto him?? In the later case, what the iskcon devotee said can be construed to be true since he himself chose vaishnavism of his own free will and now has surrendered to the lord. Also then, what the vadagalais claim is also not incorrect(that there is no difference betn our sects), since the jeevathma also plays a role in his salvation by consiously giving consent to the lord.

Finally, does it all boil down only to the jeeva's conscious acceptance of the Lord's sovereignity and his dependance on the Lord for everything?? After that, the lord himself takes care of everything??

Begging to be pardoned for any incorrect observation on my part.

Daasan venkat  ramanan


 



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