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Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Sri Parthasarathy,
Excellent. I'm going to say a few things wrt "sahEtuka 
krpa" with the help of scientific knowledge,logic and common sense.


> The main point of criticism of the vada kalai that " the denial 
> of human effort as a requisite condition of redemption would 
> amount to arbitrariness on the part of God ( arbitrariness and 
> cruely /Vaishamya and NairghaNyA )

We,with our limited knowledge, don't know each and every act of the 
individual soul in the present birth let alone previous births. This 
alone forfeits the individual to think that there is 'injustice' on 
the God's part! 


> ( In the example of infant awaiting mother's milk, it is argued 
> that effort on the part of child is necessary by sucking. STRANGE 
> !!!. SUPPOSE the child is not able to suck for one reason other 
> will the mother neglect the child ? Will she not feed the child by 
> force ? The excuse presented is not valid. Again, there are some 
> class of people who cannot practise sadhanas. Are these
> people to be neglected by the Emperuman ??? )

Perfect. Even in this case(mother and the infant),the baby's effort
(sucking)is nothing compared to the things provided by the mother. 
It's the mother who goes to the baby(not the other way),provides and 
feed the baby timely,even if the baby doesn't cry for milk,it worries 
her and tries to feed it,even if it cries for no reason(not of 
hunger),she thinks it may be because of hunger and so on. This baby
(individual)can't say boastingly that "it has put a positive effort" 
which is .000000000000000000000000000001% which is 'null/zero' to the 
nearest approximation! What's the big deal about the individual's 
effort. 

SUdrAs and women are not allowed to hear/practise vEdAs. How can 
these people be casticised? In the eyes of God,all are eligible(with 
zero effort)to attain mOkshA. I think that's EmperumAnAr's darshanam 
and gItAchAryan incarnated as RAmAnujA to establish this fact only.

One can give many life examples to invalidate the rquirement 
of "individual's effort" in seeking mOkshA! I love to give examples 
in fluid dynamics. If an expert and a non-expert in swimming are 
thrown into the ocean during tornaedo,both are going to drown. There 
is no doubt about it. The mighty ocean is not going to give any 
weightage for the guy who knows swimming. For the ocean 'both are 
same'. If by chance the two survive,it's only because of the mercy of 
the ocean! Just to illustrate this point,one professor who was an 
expert in Fluid dynamics was caught in the volcanic burst in the sea 
and he died. His pastime was to swim across the English channel,he 
would use all his fluid dynamics knowledge/skills to play with the 
water(this is a real story and not a joke). 

Whther/not the positive effort on the individual's part will 
fetch 'mOkshA' it will surely fetch ego in abundance! This constant 
thinking of positive effort by the individual will start 
accumulating "aham' and 'mama'. 

I would say that there is a logical flaw if one says that one has to 
put positive effort. Of course I don't know what Vadakalai school 
means by it exactly and "how much" of positive effort is necessary
(can they give a quantitative figure).

PS:The above is based on my small orbit of experience in life as a 
whole and any mistake is due to my ignorance.

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam
nappinnai










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