Sri: SrimatE RAmAnujAya Nama: Dear HrishikEsa Madhava I am sending a reply which is not "complete" wrt your question. I'm going to write a separate article on "mArjara" philosophy and one can disprove "marakata" philosophy which are the main,primary difference distinguishing the two sects namely "thenkalai" and "vadakalai" sampradAyam. I'm doing some research wrt your query and in due course I will give a better description(I need some references which I lack at the moment). So I request you to be patient(the rest is left to you). > I would like to get the truth about these issues, > Q1: > Is it true that Manavalamamunigal asked all to follow > desika sampradaya as is claimed in GPP3000 (as in this mail) What is "Desika SampradAyam"? (i) Why should MaNavALa mAmunigaL instruct people to follow the above sampradAyam when there were so many great acharyas prior to desikan esp RAmAnujA? (ii)There is absolutely no logic in it(if GPP3000 says so!). (iii)It's like saying: A man(fool)gives credit(for his existence) to every damn soul on earth with the exception of his own mother from whose womb he came. That mother is "RAmAnujA". WHere is the question of "Desika sampradAyam"? (iv)People with half(and less than half)baked knowledge will twist and turn the story to suit their whims and fancies. > Q2: Is it true that Lord of Srirangam order as: > A: "we will not desire listening to anything else, > but only Desika prabhandam" The so called "Lord SriRanganatha" had listened to so much of cribbings(by AzhwArs,and other AchAryas,and desikA himself quotes in many places!). Ask those(who follow GPP3000),why they write "RAmAnuja dAsan" instead of "dEsika dAsan" when Lord Ranganatha Himself declared that HE wants to listen to only desika prabandham. Since maNavALa mamunigaL was a successor to Desikan(chronology),Lord RanganAtha overwrote HIS previous statement(acc to GPP3000) and said everybody should follow maNavALa mAmunigaL only and Prabandham sEvAkAlam should start with "Sri sailEsa dayApAtram..munim"(GPP6000)! God made different castes to prove the "elite" class brahmaNa that "true love/devotion to Him" alone matters. Someone doing trikAla sandhyAvandanam blah blah ensures that one is a good brahmaNa. That's it. Are you aware of the story? Each person belonging to different caste committed the same crime and God gave the highest punishment to the brahmin. In the name "brahmin" he did atrocity!(You will still find people doing that!) Sri Dileepan writing that RAmAnujA didn't fall at Tirukkkachi nambi (in accordance with the caste prescribed by sAstrAs)is wrong. RAmAnujA postrates before him and also RAmAnujA postrates before another sUdra lady. RAmAnujA was walking behind his sisyAs and sisyAs tell the lady(sUdrA,who was walking towards them)to hide herself,then the lady says "tell me where there is no God,and I'll go in that direction". By the time RAmAnujA himself hears this statement and says there is "no higher philosophy" than this and falls at her feet. "THE TRUE DEVOTEES OF GOD ALONE ARE BRAHMANS". > B: "no one after Vedanta desikan must be installed as > 'archa' and offered mariyadai in our sannidhi." Lord Parthasarathy says in BG "whoever worships ME in whichever form (deity),I appear as that to them". HE didn't say that Siva/Brahma shouldn't be worshipped. So how can Lord Ranganatha make such a "wild/nonsensical/loose" statement that no one other than vedanta desikan must be installed? There is absolutely no sense in it if that's what GPP3000 claims! These are all concocted(cooked up)stories. I will be very happy to have a copy of GPP3000 and see what's in there! Infact in one site(I don't remember the site,and I'm going to trace and get back to the author)it said,Tirumalai Chakravarthy was a disciple of Swami Desikan. I can swear that Tirumalai Nallan Chakravarthy was a contemporary of Sri RAmAnujA. Infact I will not at all be surprised if GPP3000(after some time) claims that "RAmAnujA as a disciple of Swami Desikan". In the eyes of Quantum Mechanics one can go backwards in Time to tackle the "histories"(and also change the history). So there are people who even manipulate the History(and re-write it to suit their own wild imagination!). > Q3: Why is GPP3000 so different than GPP6000. > Why are they very much against each other? I have started doing some research along these lines. I'm not an authority on either to tell you what to do. But since you want to know the "truth",here is my suggestion(you can take it or leave it!): (i)Don't follow anything blindly(since you're confused about the authenticity of the two namely GPP6000,GPP3000) (ii)What you see could be wrong;what you hear could be wrong; A proper inquiry alone will lead you to the truth. (iii)God has given you the mind(manas which undergoes conflict all the times and acc. to BG krSNA is the "manas")and also buddhi (intellect,which has the capacity to analyse,reason out without a bias). So whoever says,ask them to explain in detail about the pre- desika and post-desika history,and finally you make a decision on your own! This split must have come after MaNavALa mamnuigaL's period. The whole society was screwed during sankara's time. Whole life time of RAmAnujA was spent in rectifying that gross damage done by sankara. This is one of the reasons(as said by U. Ve. Sri VenkataKrishnan)that RAmAnujA didn't write ant commentaries on "Divya prabandham". There was a need to establish(what has been misinterpreted by sankara) SriVisishtAdvitam. Why did RAmAnujA tell the "mUla mantra" to everybody? Of course if one learns from an AchArya,that's great. But not everyone has an access to an AchArya. This should not be a stumbling block for a jIvAtma in seeking the mOksha. That's why RAmAnujA tells the secret. Whether you understand it and say or say it without knowing the meaning,it's going to fetch mOksha for sure. There is no doubt about it(I'm going to share my views on God's Nirhetuka krpa). Knowing this very well,Bhagavad RAmAnujA says the "AstAkshara mantra". But unfortunately many mentally blind souls (like DrtarAStra)don't realize this truth! Another important thing is many people didn't like RAmAnujA accepting non-brahmins as his protege. Slowly these differences magnify and first popped up in TiruNArAyaNapuram. People slowly started blabbering in Prabandham gOshti(at one stage people were introducing some new terminologies and that's why you have two different sARRumaRai!). Let us take Adi Sankara as an example. He says that one should ignore satyam and anantham(as they are mere qualifications)and consider only gnyAnam in the sUtrA(Taitriya Upanisad 2:1:1,I'll check for the exact no)"satyam,gnyAnam,anantham brahman". If you look at the grammar,it clearly says that the first three words are adjectives/attributes qualifying the noun "brahman". If you leave the first and third,you have to leave the second word also. The same Sankara says that "brahman" is beyond attributes(Advaitins are experts in jugglery of words with no sense)and then makes a comparison in "tasya yathA kapyAsam pundarIkam Evam akshiNi". Sankara compares the eyes of the Lord to the butt/nates of a monkey". Why the hell one needs to compare when "X" is beyond attributes. He violates his own statements. One can easily disprove Sankara's philosophy by mere mathematical induction/logic. He says "Brahman is one without a second". The moment he used the word "second" the plurality has entered the scene. In essence,Sankara's philosophy was a badly written thesis(he didn't proofread his own first draft!). They think "Aham BrahmAsmi (BrhadAraNyaka Upanisad)" There is no dearth for "fake" gurus. And one can easily get duped! Appearances are deceptive. Fake gurus always go behind only the 'weak mided people". A TRULY KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON WILL NEVER IMPART WRONG KNOWLEDGE;HE WILL FACE ANYTHING/ANYBODY BOLDLY. "Bhagavad RAmAnujA is the example" Let me give you couple of examples: I don't have any rites to plagiarise someoneelse's thesis(by doing some minor modifications here and there and put my name). Same way,one should put nAmam(whatever designs one wants)on God by constructing new temples but one doesn't have the rite to change something that was already established by RAmAnujA. There are written records that the so called "swami desikan" himself followed thenkalai sampradayam(bore thenkalai namam,Supreme Court has declared based on the historical evidence that kanjeevaram temple is a thenkalai temple). There are so many musicians who sing very well. But not all of them are equal(infact they are nowhere near) to Ariyakkudi RAmAnuja Iyengar/Vishwanatha iyer. You need to go to the right person to verify certain things. If you read Parthasarathi Dileepan's article,it's very clear and obvious that "he has pre-conceived notions(but with sugar coating,he thinks no can read him in between the lines!)and biased views wrt caste system". MaNdhUka thinks that "well is the largest,b'coz it has never seen the river,sea and ocean in its lifetime". AnushtAnam is to self-discipline oneself,it's not the end(mOkshA). A person however expert he is in swimming(all kinds of brahma vidyAs),and if he is thrown into mid-pacific ocean at the time of Tornaedo will surely get drowned. He will not drown if only if there is His grace(Nirhetuka krpA). With his little of knowledge of fluid dynamics(and other vEda sAstrAs),he can't win over the wild ocean. Only the "unconditional love/service towards Him" will save a jIvAtmA. It's not a big deal to test. Ask all those people foll anushtAnam "whether they are ready for this game"? Finally I know lot of brahmins who follow anushtAnam(but don't do it properly)who stink like gutter(they lack basic human ethics)! AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam gita Quote: Mind in its own place can make a hell of a heaven and heaven of a hell - Socrates
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