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SrimatE RAmAnujAya Nama:

Dear HrishikEsa Madhava

I am sending a reply which is not "complete" wrt your 
question. I'm going to write a separate article on "mArjara" 
philosophy and one can disprove "marakata" philosophy which are the 
main,primary difference distinguishing the two sects 
namely "thenkalai" and "vadakalai" sampradAyam. I'm doing some 
research wrt your query and in due course I will give a better 
description(I need some references which I lack at the moment). So I 
request you to be patient(the rest is left to you).

> I would like to get the truth about these issues, 
> Q1:
> Is it true that Manavalamamunigal asked all to follow
> desika sampradaya as is claimed in GPP3000 (as in this mail)

What is "Desika SampradAyam"? 
(i) Why should MaNavALa mAmunigaL instruct people to follow the above 
sampradAyam when there were so many great acharyas prior to desikan 
esp RAmAnujA? 


(ii)There is absolutely no logic in it(if GPP3000 says so!).

(iii)It's like saying: A man(fool)gives credit(for his existence) to 
every damn soul on earth with the exception of his own mother from 
whose womb he came. That mother is "RAmAnujA". WHere is the question 
of "Desika sampradAyam"? 

(iv)People with half(and less than half)baked knowledge will twist 
and turn the story to suit their whims and fancies. 


> Q2: Is it true that Lord of Srirangam order as: 
> A: "we will not desire listening to anything else, 
> but only Desika prabhandam" 

The so called "Lord SriRanganatha" had listened to so much of 
cribbings(by AzhwArs,and other AchAryas,and desikA himself quotes in 
many places!).

Ask those(who follow GPP3000),why they write "RAmAnuja dAsan" instead 
of "dEsika dAsan" when Lord Ranganatha Himself declared that HE wants 
to listen to only desika prabandham.

Since maNavALa mamunigaL was a successor to Desikan(chronology),Lord 
RanganAtha overwrote HIS previous statement(acc to GPP3000) and said 
everybody should follow maNavALa mAmunigaL only and Prabandham 
sEvAkAlam should start with "Sri sailEsa dayApAtram..munim"(GPP6000)!

God made different castes to prove the "elite" class brahmaNa 
that "true love/devotion to Him" alone matters. Someone doing trikAla 
sandhyAvandanam blah blah ensures that one is a good brahmaNa. That's 
it. Are you aware of the story? Each person belonging to different 
caste committed the same crime and God gave the highest punishment to 
the brahmin. In the name "brahmin" he did atrocity!(You will still 
find people doing that!)

Sri Dileepan writing that RAmAnujA didn't fall at Tirukkkachi nambi
(in accordance with the caste prescribed by sAstrAs)is wrong. 
RAmAnujA postrates before him and also RAmAnujA postrates before 
another sUdra lady. RAmAnujA was walking behind his sisyAs and sisyAs 
tell the lady(sUdrA,who was walking towards them)to hide herself,then 
the lady says "tell me where there is no God,and I'll go in that 
direction". By the time RAmAnujA himself hears this statement and 
says there is "no higher philosophy" than this and falls at her feet. 
"THE TRUE DEVOTEES OF GOD ALONE ARE BRAHMANS".


> B: "no one after Vedanta desikan must be installed as
> 'archa' and offered mariyadai in our sannidhi."

Lord Parthasarathy says in BG "whoever worships ME in whichever form
(deity),I appear as that to them". HE didn't say that Siva/Brahma 
shouldn't be worshipped. So how can Lord Ranganatha make such 
a "wild/nonsensical/loose" statement that no one other than vedanta 
desikan must be installed? There is absolutely no sense in it if 
that's what GPP3000 claims!

These are all concocted(cooked up)stories. I will be very happy to 
have a copy of GPP3000 and see what's in there! Infact in one site(I 
don't remember the site,and I'm going to trace and get back to the 
author)it said,Tirumalai Chakravarthy was a disciple of Swami 
Desikan. I can swear that Tirumalai Nallan Chakravarthy was a 
contemporary of Sri RAmAnujA. 

Infact I will not at all be surprised if GPP3000(after some time)
claims that "RAmAnujA as a disciple of Swami Desikan". In the eyes of 
Quantum Mechanics one can go backwards in Time to tackle 
the "histories"(and also change the history). So there are people who 
even manipulate the History(and re-write it to suit their own wild 
imagination!).

> Q3: Why is GPP3000 so different than GPP6000.
> Why are they very much against each other?

I have started doing some research along these lines. I'm not an 
authority on either to tell you what to do. But since you want to 
know the "truth",here is my suggestion(you can take it or leave it!):

(i)Don't follow anything blindly(since you're confused about the 
authenticity of the two namely GPP6000,GPP3000)

(ii)What you see could be wrong;what you hear could be wrong; A 
proper inquiry alone will lead you to the truth.

(iii)God has given you the mind(manas which undergoes conflict all 
the times and acc. to BG krSNA is the "manas")and also buddhi
(intellect,which has the capacity to analyse,reason out without a 
bias). So whoever says,ask them to explain in detail about the pre-
desika and post-desika history,and finally you make a decision on 
your own!

This split must have come after MaNavALa mamnuigaL's period. The 
whole society was screwed during sankara's time. Whole life time of 
RAmAnujA was spent in rectifying that gross damage done by sankara.
This is one of the reasons(as said by U. Ve. Sri VenkataKrishnan)that 
RAmAnujA didn't write ant commentaries on "Divya prabandham". There 
was a need to establish(what has been misinterpreted by sankara)
SriVisishtAdvitam. Why did RAmAnujA tell the "mUla mantra" to 
everybody? Of course if one learns from an AchArya,that's great. But 
not everyone has an access to an AchArya. This should not be a 
stumbling block for a jIvAtma in seeking the mOksha. That's why 
RAmAnujA tells the secret. Whether you understand it and say or say 
it without knowing the meaning,it's going to fetch mOksha for sure. 
There is no doubt about it(I'm going to share my views on God's 
Nirhetuka krpa). Knowing this very well,Bhagavad RAmAnujA says 
the "AstAkshara mantra". But unfortunately many mentally blind souls
(like DrtarAStra)don't realize this truth!

Another important thing is many people didn't like RAmAnujA accepting 
non-brahmins as his protege. Slowly these differences magnify and 
first popped up in TiruNArAyaNapuram. People slowly started 
blabbering in Prabandham gOshti(at one stage people were introducing 
some new terminologies and that's why you have two different 
sARRumaRai!). 

Let us take Adi Sankara as an example. He says that one should ignore 
satyam and anantham(as they are mere qualifications)and consider only 
gnyAnam in the sUtrA(Taitriya Upanisad 2:1:1,I'll check for the exact 
no)"satyam,gnyAnam,anantham brahman". If you look at the grammar,it 
clearly says that the first three words are adjectives/attributes 
qualifying the noun "brahman". If you leave the first and third,you 
have to leave the second word also. 

The same Sankara says that "brahman" is beyond attributes(Advaitins 
are experts in jugglery of words with no sense)and then makes a 
comparison in "tasya yathA kapyAsam pundarIkam Evam akshiNi". Sankara 
compares the eyes of the Lord to the butt/nates of a monkey". Why the 
hell one needs to compare when "X" is beyond attributes. He violates 
his own statements. One can easily disprove Sankara's philosophy by 
mere mathematical induction/logic. 

He says "Brahman is one without a second". The moment he used the 
word "second" the plurality has entered the scene. 

In essence,Sankara's philosophy was a badly written thesis(he didn't 
proofread his own first draft!). They think "Aham BrahmAsmi
(BrhadAraNyaka Upanisad)" 

There is no dearth for "fake" gurus. And one can easily get duped! 
Appearances are deceptive. Fake gurus always go behind only the 'weak 
mided people". 

A TRULY KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON WILL NEVER IMPART WRONG KNOWLEDGE;HE 
WILL FACE ANYTHING/ANYBODY BOLDLY. "Bhagavad RAmAnujA is the example"

Let me give you couple of examples:

I don't have any rites to plagiarise someoneelse's thesis(by doing 
some minor modifications here and there and put my name). Same 
way,one should put nAmam(whatever designs one wants)on God by 
constructing new temples but one doesn't have the rite to change 
something that was already established by RAmAnujA. There are written 
records that the so called "swami desikan" himself followed thenkalai 
sampradayam(bore thenkalai namam,Supreme Court has declared based on 
the historical evidence that kanjeevaram temple is a thenkalai 
temple).

There are so many musicians who sing very well. But not all of them 
are equal(infact they are nowhere near) to Ariyakkudi RAmAnuja 
Iyengar/Vishwanatha iyer. You need to go to the right person to 
verify certain things.

If you read Parthasarathi Dileepan's article,it's very clear and 
obvious that "he has pre-conceived notions(but with sugar coating,he 
thinks no can read him in between the lines!)and biased views wrt 
caste system". 

MaNdhUka thinks that "well is the largest,b'coz it has never seen the 
river,sea and ocean in its lifetime". 

AnushtAnam is to self-discipline oneself,it's not the end(mOkshA). A 
person however expert he is in swimming(all kinds of brahma 
vidyAs),and if he is thrown into mid-pacific ocean at the time of 
Tornaedo will surely get drowned. He will not drown if only if there 
is His grace(Nirhetuka krpA). With his little of knowledge of fluid 
dynamics(and other vEda sAstrAs),he can't win over the wild ocean.
Only the "unconditional love/service towards Him" will save a 
jIvAtmA. It's not a big deal to test. Ask all those people foll 
anushtAnam "whether they are ready for this game"?

Finally I know lot of brahmins who follow anushtAnam(but don't do it 
properly)who stink like gutter(they lack basic human ethics)! 

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam
gita

Quote: Mind in its own place can make a hell of a heaven and heaven 
of a hell - Socrates










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