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Sri:
SrimathE RAmAnujAya nama:

Dear Sri Venkatesh,
I'm happy to see another person in the same path that I'm 
walking.

> even I was trying to gather information and have sent a copy of 
> this message from Sri Dileepan to Sri Puttur Krishnaswamy Iyengar 
> of Sri Vaishnava Sudarsanam fame. No one needs an introduction of 
> him as he is the present day doyen of our sampradhAyam
> and the numerous articles and books published by him regarding the 
> false proclamations made are still to be answered convincingly.

Please let us know what Sri Puttur Krishnaswamy iyengar says. We need 
to educate ourselves with the right knowledge

> While I could have refuted the postings regarding the prapatti 
> and the varNAsrama dharma, Sri Vacchana bhooshaNam and AchArya 
> hrudhayam, very clearly and deliberately misinterpreted, I wanted
> to take the opinion of a scholarly person who has devoted his life
> to this. Again I am planning to disturb two very busy persons, 
> Sri Velukkudi swamy and Sri M.A Venkatakrishnan swamy to get their 
> advise also on this. I will post about this shortly.

Please do so. We need them and their inputs so badly. I'm planning to 
send a personal mail to HH Tridandi Sri Ramanuja Chinna Jeeyar. 
Despite the busy schedule HH Sri Jeeyar patiently answers some of my 
questions. I'm very very happy that you responded and I have lesser 
knowledge than what you have.

I also went through TiruNarayanan's post. That gave me the strength 
to take a step forward. 

> Ramanuja and expounded by embAr, bhaTTar, nanjeeyar, nampiLLai,
> periyavAcchAn piLLai, vadakkuth thiruveedhip piLLai, piLLai
> lOkAchAryar/azhagiya maNavALa perumAL nAyanAr and 
thiruvAimozhippiLLai as
> dearest to his heart.

Is there a copy of GPP3000 with you? I started reading GPP6000 and 
then I put it on a sidetrack. Now the situation needs it badly. I'm 
going to first finish reading that and I'm going to come back to all 
you to clear my doubts. I don't have any proper knowledge of 
ThennAchArya sampradAyam. 

> Also in his upadEsaratthinamAlai, nowhere he has mentioned about 
Swamy
> dEsikan. One may say that he had glorified only those AchAryAs who 
were
> instrumental in propagation of ThiruvAimozhi, but I am sure a 
person would
> have certainly included an AchAryA without any doubt, whether he has
> commented on ThiruvAimozhi or not, if that person asks everybody to 
follow
> the sampradhAyam of that AchAryA. Isn't it? Common sense and logic. 
Again

This always puzzled me. Why maNavALa mAmnuigaL didn't mention swami 
desikan in Upadesha RatnamAlai? We need to quote Swami Desikan's work 
itself to refute their views. But we need the help of Scholars in 
this area.

> Well these are all considering and accepting that Swami dEsikan 
followed a
> completely different sampradhAyam other than the thennAchArya 
sampradhAyam.
> But in one of the earlier postings I had clearly shown, how, Swamy 
dEsikan
> supports only the thennAchArya sampradhAyam, through the 
slOka, "swAmin!,
> swasEsham..." and the avatharikai for the "munivAhana bhOgam" where 
in he
> clearly states that "kAraNa vasthu innadhendRu aRudhiyidamudiyAtha
> krupaiyinAlE", speaking clearly about the nirhEtuka krupA of 
emberumAn.

Beautiful,such verses we need to shut up the mouths. 

> Now if one accepts that swAmy dEsikan was advocating only 
thennAchAryA
> sampradhAyam, then there is no wonder, Sri maNavALa mAmunigAL was 
asking
> everyone to follow what Sri Desikan have said.


Absolutely right. Just my mere question in reply to someone else' 
post on bhara-nyAsa,triggered the ego of Sri V Sadagopan. He says he 
feels sorry that somebody(me and he is replying to my post only)
speaks ill of Swami Desikan. I didn't speak ill of swami desikan. All 
I tried to explain was the "greatness of God/Nirhetuka krpA". For 
this itself he got offended,what about the atrocities happening in 
kanjeevaram,that too put "vadakalai nAmam" for RAmAnujA Himself. Will 
not that affect us? I got couple of mails supporting Sri V Sadagopan
(those people follow Desika sampradAyam). How they get united??!!!! 
Even Bhagavad RAmAnujA couldn't unite people that easily! What about 
other temples where they change the thenkalai namam to a vadakalai 
namam. One Vadakalai boy is sending me a mail saying that I need 
humility. He didn't answer my question to kanjeevaram. He quotes Sri 
Velukkudi Krishnan swami(saying that even Sri Krishnan Swami always 
quotes Swami Desikans works). When I asked him whether it was out of 
humility they change the namams,there is no reply to that! They have 
infinite ego!


> Having said all the above I would also like to request all the 
> members to read through the postings of Sri Thirunarayanan 
> Parthasarathy swamy who was to have posted the first rebuttal to 
> it in a very very diplomatic manner. Most of the "concoctions" will
> come to light clearly. As said, once I get a response from Sri 
> Puttur Swamy, Sri Velukkudi swamy and Sri MAV swamy, I will post 
> them too in the list.

Sri TiruNarayanan Parthasarathy's post was wonderful. But I wrote 
this post(without referring to Sri Parthasarathy)just out of my love 
for AzhwArs,pUrvAchAryAs true devotion to God. Why don't you post 
these things once in a while since you have more knowledge than what 
I have. I felt very happy to read Sr Tirunarayanan's remark on sri 
parthasarathy dileepan(dual-natured articles!)

AzhwAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam
sarvam krSNArpaNam astu
gita 





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