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Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

Sri Venkata Gurave Nama:

 

Dear Sri Satyananaraya Swamin,

 

I read with interest your post on Vaishnavism and Brahmanism.

Though  I agree with most of our observations, I need to clarify 
that what you stated  about Veidika dharma and Sri Vaishnavism is 
not  exactly as per  the observations of our Poorvacharyas. 

 

You wrote?

"brahminic activities such as sandhya vadanam, Gayatri mantra etc 
do not find a spot in Vaishnavism. It has a role in the Veidika 
dharma.:

 

Clarification:

 

I would like to clarify how our Acharyas have opined on this. Let us 
start from Geethacharyan.

 

1, Srimad Bhagavat Gita (Chapter 3,Verses 30-33)- Refer 
Emperumanar's Bhasya

 

Both Sri Ramanuja and Sri Nigamantha Desikan have clarified that 
doing one's Nitya Karma Anushtanam as ordained by Varanashrama 
dharma is important.

 

2. In Sri Bashya , Swami Ramanuja emphasized on Nitya karma 
Anushtanam as per Varanashrama Dharma in many places, In the very 
first sutra of Brahma Sutra, his  intention were very clear  on this
It is further strenghted by Vyakayanams of Sri Srutha Prakasikar.

 

3. In his commentary on Mummookshapadi, Sri Manavala Maamuni ( 
Sarama Sloka Prakaranam, Sutra 195-196)

Even quotes as ` Sandhya heeno suchir nityam anarhas sarva 
karmasu' , which literally means  Kriyas such as 

Sanyavandanams are imperative for all other karmas. 

 

4. Sri Pillai Lokachar in his Artha Panchakam, when he begins to 
explain Purushartham ,Swami talks about following one's Dharmas as 
ordained by Varnashrama.

 

5. Sri Pillai Lokachrya in Sri Vachana Bhusham(Sutram 96, Adhikari 
Nishta Kramam), says that The qualities of `Samam' and `Damam' are 
important Atma Gunas for a Prapanna. He further states (Sutram 97) 
that one who has Samam and Damam he gets Acharyan, from Acharyan he 
gets Thirumantram and from Thirumantram he gets the Lord and from 
Lord he gets Deliverance'.

 

We all know performance of Nitya Karma is an enabler (not the only 
enabler though?) for one to get  Samam and Damam,.

 

 

We have several references of Poorvacharyas talking Nitya/Naimitya 
karma in their works. It is wrong to state that Sri Vaishnavsim  
does not worry about Nitya Karmas (Poorvacharyas often 
quote `Sandhya Heena: Pasubi Samana:'  which means one who does not 
perform Sandhya is considered as an animal.)

 

The difference of Sri Vaishnava Acharyas from others is not in 
performing or Non Performance of Vaidheeka Karma. It only on the 
results of them, Per Sri Vaishnava position, that performance of 
Karma is not the ONLY action that results in deliverance; it is Lord 
who has to finally give Deliverance to a  soul.

 

Even today we see that it is only Sri Vaishnava Sanysins who perform 
Sandhavandams even after they enter in to Sanyasa Ashram.

 

Dasan

 

Kazhiyur M Narayanan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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From: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Sathya. Kaliyamoorthy
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:14 PM
To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ramanuja] Vaishnavism and Brahminism

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha
Acharyan Thiruvadigale Saranam

Dear All:

Greetings. Adiyen just wanted to add a couple of cents related to 
the temple 
priest discussion. In our opinion, there is no place for the so 
called 
brahminism in Sri Vaishnavism, which we call as Emperumaanar 
Tharisanam. In 
fact, daily brahminic activities such as sandhya vadanam, Gayatri 
mantra etc 
do not find a spot in Vaishnavism. It has a role in the Veidika 
dharma.

Eventhough there is caste system in our soceity, no single caste is 
superior than the others. 

Just think how the world will be if there are no people to clean 
or cut our hair or even cultivate and provide us with food grains. 
Practically speaking the world can not without these essential 
occupations.

Scriptures in Vaishnavism indicate no preference for a particular 
caste. In fact, God himself has chosen 9 out of the 10 Azhwars as 
non-brahmins, who enriched our sampradaya. There cannot be a greater 
example than the life of Thirupaanazhwar. God himself taught a 
fitting lesson to those misbehaving brahmins at that time. 
Unfortunately there are still a lot of people who do not realize or 
appreciate how Emperuman would like us to live.

In fact, anyone can be a vaishnavite- all he or she needs is 
Emperuman and Acharya's grace. One who performs proper anushtaanams 
and follows the scriptures can ALSO be a vaishnavite. 

We all know ........."Nyaanam Anuttaanam Ivai Nanraagave udayanaana 
Guruvai 
adainthakkaal Maanilatheer thenaar kamala thirumaamagal kozhunan 
thaane 
vaiguntham tharum". There is no mention of brahmin here or as a 
matter of 
fact anywhere else in Vaishnava scripts.

Please accept adiyen's apologies if I have spoken something thats 
not true.

Nanmaiyaal Mikka Naanmaraiyaalargal Punmaiyaaga karuthuvaraathalil
Annaiyaai athanaai ennai aandirum thanmayaan Sadagopan en nambiye.

Adiyen ,
Sathyanarayana Ramanuja Dasan










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