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Subject: [jetusa] Re: [SriRangaSri] Re: 5th Veda? where did this term
come from
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 23:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: chinna jeeyar <acharya27@xxxx>
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To: Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxx>
CC: jetusa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Priya Sriman!
Jai Srimannarayana!
We have posted some information about it yesterday.
The information posted in this letter below, was
written with a little ignorance it seems. it has tobe
corrected with the following:

Even during Pre-Nadhamuni's time, Divya Prabandham was
kept in practice in Srirangam Temple. Even before Sri
Nadhamuni, the divya prabandham was already existing
in most of the Srivaishnava temples as a part ofthe
ritual. No one objected that, according to the history
available. 

Sri Nadhamuni found the "a:ra:vamude:...." songs in
Kumbako:nam temple, while the priests were chanting
them as a part of their A:ra:dhana only. So, Alwars'
songs were prohibited in the temples, for, they were
sung by SUDRAS or it was in DRAVIDA LANGUAGE etc.,
was not at all correct and against to the history.
Deva Bha:sha Sankrit was respected with high glory 
and that is true. Other languages like Tamil were also
equally respected, when they speak about the Lord
Narayana. That understanding was existing even before
Sri Ra:ma:nuja. That is the reason Sri Ramanuja also
studied Divya Prabandham and it's commentaries from
Nambies. The commentaries were not documented during
those days. And so, Sri Ramanujacharya ordered his
disciples to present commentaries like
"A:ra:yirappadi"(6000 prabandham) to Thiruvai Mozhi. 

Any distortion misleads the seekers of the truth. If
someone know the history well, they can write about
it, otherwise, better not to make such distortion.
Somebody said that "something is better than nothing"
and then it made very clear by welwishers that
"Nothing is better than non-sence".

Even post-Ramanuja period also the prabandham and its
commentary tradition caught up well and somany other
acharyas added their commentaries to the existing
ones. 

Adhyayana Utsavam was not started by De:sika Swamy. It
was started by Thirumangai Alwar only. Without any
break it was in practise there in Srirangam. In fact,
Sri de;sika swamy protected the Brahmasuthra
commentaries which were in manuscripts during those
days, keeping himself under the dead-bodies for about
7 days. He also added some tamil and sanskrit
commentaries in prose & poetry form to the existing
ones. He never meddled with the temple system or its
worship system in Srirangam according to the history. 

As you said about the "Kama Sasthra". It was the
history again, which took place during Sri Para:sara
Bhattar's time, just after Sri Ramanuja's period, it
means, long before Sri Vedantha Desika's time. Say
about 200 years before. 

Some scholar wanted to listen to the discourses ofSri
Bhattar swamy and joined the pravachana group. Tiruvai
Mozhi was the topic. He enjoyed the 1st 10 songs.
appreciated the supremacy of the Lord, listed
carefully the 2nd dasakam. ashtonished by hearing the
vairagya upadesham made by Nammalwar. He also heard
the 3rd 10 songs, which reveal the
accessability(soulabhya) of Lord Krishna, felt like
hearing more and more of Nammalwar's songs. When the
4th 10 songs were started he felt very sorry and went
away, for, they reveal the sorrowful state of
Nammalwar, in suffering from the pangs of seperation
from the Lord. He sung a few songs as a seperated lady
sings for her Lover. That scholar thought it as,
Ka:ma, the lust. He could not understand that the
God's Love is irresistable than that of the worldly
ka:mas. He never sought the expanation from Sri
Bhattar also. Sri Bhattar felt very sorry for his
misunderstanding. This was the history.
Better to understand the right things and inform. If
it is only for your own enjoyment, you do whatever you
wish. But when we inform to others, we should be very
correct for ourselves. Otherwise, that becomes
irrepairable damage and thus an inexcusable sin to
pu:rva:charyas. We hope you try to understand. 

=chinnajeeyar=






- Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxx> wrote:
> Dear Bhagavatas:
> 
> The view expressed by Sri Parthiban Ragahavachari is
> partly correct. It is 
> Mahabharata that is recognized as the 5th Veda and
> there is no dispute about 
> this.
> 
> Nammazhwar is known as "Vedam Tamizh seitha Maaran".
> It is he brought the 
> essnce of the 4 Vedas in his 4 Prabandams. When
> these were lost to the 
> world, it was Sriman Nathamuni who documented 
> having assimilated them from 
> Swami Nammazhwar in a trance. This tradition
> continued for some time and 
> again faced a period of decadence during and after
> the period of Bhagavad 
> Ramanuja.
> 
> All the 9 works of Ramanuja are in Sanskrit though
> they faithfully reflected 
> the philosphy contained in the Prabandams which in
> turn were themselves the 
> replica of the philosophy of the Vedas.Obcviously,
> this was because of the 
> intolerance of the people in his times of whatever
> was not in the Deva 
> Baasha of Sanskrit.
> 
> Some orthodox people objected to the recital of
> Divya Prabanam in Sri Rangam 
> temple on the grounds that
> - they included the works of Non-Brahmin Azhwars
> - written in Dravida Baasha and
> - Tiruvoimozhi in particular dealt with "Kama" that
> was taboo for them. 
> Swami Desika argued with them and convinced them
> that
> - the holy collects were equal to Vedas since they
> contained all that were 
> in the Vedas,
> - that since they were in praise of the Lord, the
> language doid not matter 
> and
> - that the "Kaama" spoken of was nothing but
> absolute devotion to the Lord. 
> He reinstituted the practice of "Adhyayana Utsava",
> the ceremonial honoring 
> of the Azhwars at Srirangam (Not Tirumalai as made
> out by Sri Parthiban).
> 
> Again, it was not Swami Desika who first recognized
> the equality of Vedas 
> and Prabandas, though it was he who convincingly
> argued and established this 
> as mentioned in the above incident.
> Dasoham
> Anbil Ramaswamy
> 
> 
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