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srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha
srImadh varavara munayE namaha

Dear Mukundan,

This is precisely one of the problem that I am thinking about for quite
sometime, which we should tackle with utmost care. The only way, I feel, is
, creating information database on the net. We have many scholars writing
on such disputes. We have the great Puttur Sri Krishnaswamy Iyengar , the
author of the magazine "Sri Vaishnava Sudarsanam", who has written numerous
articles on this.

I take this opportunity to introduce all members to Sri Puttur swamy (for
who do not know him). He is probably in his late 70s or early 80s (I am not
sure), very weak (weak enough to even get up from his bed). The amount of
untiring efforts he has put during his lifetime for the samrakshaNa of the
Ramanuja sampradhAyam and Sri Vaishnavam as whole, is beyond words. He has
brought out a lot of books on Azhwar-Acharyas' Sri Sookthis and their
Vyakhyanams. Whenever any thing is written ill about Sri Vaishnavism as a
whole or the Ramanuja sampradhAyam, he will be the first to voice the
protest. To date, there are many people who are yet to reply to his
questions, when they attempted to deface the Sri Vaishnavism or the
Ramanuja Sampradhayam. A Partial list of those people include,

1. Sri Kanchi Sankaracharya (both Sri Chandrasekara saraswathi swamy and
the present day Jayendra saraswathi swamy). Probably the only block they
received for their preachings against Sri Vaishnavism is only from Sri
Puttur Swamy and Sri P.B.A swamy.
2. Sri Madurantakam T.E. Veeraragavachar swamy,( I will give a brief
account of his argument with Sri Puttur Swamy which is very much related to
this message)
3. Sri D.T. Thathachariar swamy (he once wrote that, a small Village,
Thiruvarangam, near ThirukkOvalUr, is also a divya dEsam and the vimAnam of
the temple "ChandOgya vimAnam" is what Sri Thirumangai AzhwAr referred to
as " sandOgA thalaivanE" in his illustrious Periya Thirumozhi sAtrumaRai
pAsuram "nandA naragathu azhundhAvagai...". He is yet to reply to Sri
Puttur Swamy's questions.
4. Sri Agnihotram Ramanuja Thathachariar swamy (He even when to the extent
of saying Vishnu is not the supreme god and in Vedas, no where it is said
that Vishnu is the supreme god). He is yet to reply to Sri Puttur Swamy'
questions.

The style with which he writes is remarkable. He does not speak anything
without the proofs from the poorvAchArya Sri Sookthis.

He has given us with remarkable works in association with Sri Velukkudi
Varadachariar swamy, the proud father of the proud son, Sri Velukkudi
Krishnan swami (also a member of our list)

Coming to the subject back, one of such books explained above is
"siddhOpAya vijayam" which was authored by both Sri Puttur Swamy and Sri
V.Varadachariar swamy. This book is a rebuttal to the misinformations that
were being spread by Sri Madurantakam swamy and Sri D.T.T swamy that the
poorvAchAryas' (like Sri Nanjeeyar , Nampillai et al) thiruvuLLam is in
line with only Sri Desikar's thiruvuLLam and so they are also only
vadakalai in nature. They even went to extent of saying that swami
maNavALa mAmunigaL's thiruvuLLam is also in line with the vadakalai
sampradhAyam. The exact situation that Sri Mukundan faced in Denver. This
book gives a lot of pramANams refuting their claim and thereby establishing
that the true Ramanuja sampradhayam (Sri Vaishnavam) is the present day
ThennAchArya sampradhAyam.

I read the book two times, but sorry, still my knowledge gain is very less.
So I request Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy who introduced me to that book,
to probably bring out the essence of the book in english so that the same
can be archived in the net and given to those who make such false
propaganda and make them shut.

This I hope is the most sAttvika way of refuting the false claim and
establishing the truth.

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam
adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,
Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh




Dan Pattangi 
<danp@xxxx To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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Subject: [ramanuja] How to stop 
03-11-01 Misinformation - Seek Info. 
12:09 AM 
Please 
respond to 
ramanuja 






sri:

Respected Devotees: Humble Pranams:

In Denver the lady (Not revealing Name) who spoke on
Swami Vedanta Desika, started saying this Ramanuja Sampradaya did not exist
till
200 Yrs ago. Every thing has always been Desika Sapradaya (All the Azhwars
& Acharyas Including Ramanuja, EMbar, Bhattar, Nanheeyar, Nampillai were
all Vadakalai) These type of extreme untruth does a lot of damange to the
community and culture. (And this too at a ISCKON temple)

When we had our turn to speak: (Started with Srisailesa daya...)
adiyEN just stuck to the Mamunigal vaibhavam. but made two points:

Munnor Mozhindha Murai Tappal Kettu, Pinnorndhu TaMadhanai Pesadhe.
(From Upadesa Ratina Malai: Do not say things on your own, just learn from
previous great acharyas, only repeat what they say, with references to
them)

[For this the older lady later said she has heard this from their acharyan]
I think the some devotees are misusing their acharya's name or the ....

Then adiyEn said:
Astika Nastikan : Again from Upadesa Rattina Malai,
We can be with Astikas, and we can also accept Nastikas, but the utmost
dangerous are the Astika Nastikas
(Rougues who look like Astikas, but from inside are spreading the
wrong message of our Acharyas and damaging the system.]

It is just crazy that there is soo much to be done for the Ramanuja
Sampradaya here, but within ourselves (Ramanuja & desika sampradaya) so
much misinformation is causing soo much rift.

We seek your guidance in how to approch this. Please give ideas,
suggestions
based on which we will setup a plan of action and start in the next few
weeks.

With Acharyas & Scholars blessings we will put up a facts Site. with the
real facts for all to at least know the facts. (Devotional service being
the Key)
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azhwar EmberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

adiyEn rAmAnujA dAsan
Mukundan Vangkipuram Pattangi


azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam


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