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This writer has been bothered /confused perennially about a particular
aspect of the Vedic system of worship.

There is the most common "sankalpa" for all rituals, rites, satsangams etc.
of invoking the blessings of Vinayagar/Vigneshwara.

Counter to this is the diktat of "mata pita Guru and Daivam" Daivam and
even Guru seem to come next to parents.

The writer is particularly perturbed by this especially in view of the
following commonly accepted principles always stressed in these fora by
the various scholars, writers, devotees namely:

1.Guru's word is the last word and even God will not listen, if
it does not come thru the Acharaya
2. Guru cannot be just wished away or ignored or harmed

However, the writer has come across instances where especially with regard
to point 2 above, the Guru has been ignored and also harmed. For instance
in the Parasurama avatara, Bhishma whose Guru is reportedly Parasurama, the
shishya disobeys and also harms him. Who is right? what is correct? why
such a case?

Even Vinayagar/Vigneshwara himself - in the fabled competition between
Muruga and Ganesha - circumambulates his parents and considers them as the
world, seems to the writer as a classic example set by the Lord himself
i.e. Mata Pita and then Guru and God. However, the ironical aspect is the
entity Vinayagar who set this example himself is now worshipped as God
during all 'initiations".

Can someone elaborate on these seemingly confusing aspects?

Pranams and prostration to one and all in expectation of the usual
extraordinary and prompt response

Regards
Ramachandran












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