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srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha
srImadh varavara munayE namaha

Dear Sri Sadagopan,

I will attempt to answer your questions to the extent of my 
knowledge based on Acharyas works.

========================Quote=========================
--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Sadagopan Vasudevan 
<satakopanv@xxxx> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends:
>  I am seeing many versions of this story.
> 
> If indeed the stories by Anbil at the link is wrong, and if indeed 
many 
> others have used the same (fromk 3000 padi and not 6000 padi)
> then why have the other scholars from Thenkalai side not 
> protested this at all. (That tell me this may be true)
> 
> q1:  Even today why do the leaders of Thenkalai not protest this?

====================Unquote=====================================You may want to 
go through the lots of books published by 
Swami Annangarachariar, Sri Puttur Krishnamachariar Swamy, Sri MA 
Venkatakrishnan Swamy and Srivaishnavasri Krishnamachariar swamy. If 
you had, then you will not exhibit your ignorance by asking the 
above question. This just the right example to "Kinatru Tavalai". 
Knowing only one side and exhibiting the ignorance. Sorry this 
ignorance is not a Bliss.

========================Quote===================================> q2: Others 
from this group have written to me saying that
> Desikan is thenkalai only, but got "hijkacked" by brahminical 
> Vaishanvas to be their sole leader about 200 years ago,
> and then started all the conversions.
> 
> If you Think logically, Swami Desikan is in almost all the
> temples including srirangam. Everywhere he is Vadakalai only, 
> so you have to accept what you see.
> 
> What is your pramana for this? that Swami Desikan in Thenkalai ?
======================Unquote===================================
Good. Please note that the Thiruman became synonymous with the Kalai 
bEdham at a later date. Also once again I am sorry to say that you 
have only exhibited your state that you are not exposed to the 
writings of the Thenkalais at all. 
Plrase read the recent publications from the Author of Panchajanyam 
magazine, Sri Krishnamachariar swamy, title the "Koil Ozhugu- Part 
3", in which he clearly proves, along with the court records that 
Sri Desikar in Srirangam was adorning only Thenkalai Thiruman and 
later, the original thirumEni has be replaced by the 
current only with Vadagalai thiruman, puporting the original one to 
lost.

Also how many records do you want to prove that Sri Desikar sannidhi 
in his avathara sthalam, Thoopul, was indeed Thenkalai and he was 
adorning only the thenkalai thiruman in Thoopul, and conveniently 
converted to present day Vadagalai thiruman. Sri PBA Swamy has 
published numerous articles on this. If you would like to see it, 
please do let me know. I have a copy of this article and I can 
courier this to you.

And lastly, let me close with one thing, as another member Sri BR 
Parthasarathy wrote, during Sri Emberumanar's time, there was only 
one thiruman. Needless to say that it is the current day Thenkalai 
thiruman. However, there were people with kalai bhEdams in their 
mind. One giving highest importance to nirhEtuka kripA and the other 
refuting this. This, difference in the due course took the form of 
Kalai bhEdham and have evolved into the present day vadagalai and 
thenkalai. A standing testimony to this is that almost all the 
divyadEsams, which practically adorn a thirumaN,are thenkalai 
barring a few, recently converted ones, 10 or 11 vadakalai. 
Thirumans.

DEAR MODERATOR: PLEASE APPROVE THESE ANSWERS AS WELL. AS THESE ARE 
THE ULTIMATE FACTS.

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam
adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan
Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh




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