srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha srImadh varavara munayE namaha Dear Sri Sadagopan, I will attempt to answer your questions to the extent of my knowledge based on Acharyas works. ========================Quote========================= --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Sadagopan Vasudevan <satakopanv@xxxx> wrote: > > Dear Friends: > I am seeing many versions of this story. > > If indeed the stories by Anbil at the link is wrong, and if indeed many > others have used the same (fromk 3000 padi and not 6000 padi) > then why have the other scholars from Thenkalai side not > protested this at all. (That tell me this may be true) > > q1: Even today why do the leaders of Thenkalai not protest this? ====================Unquote=====================================You may want to go through the lots of books published by Swami Annangarachariar, Sri Puttur Krishnamachariar Swamy, Sri MA Venkatakrishnan Swamy and Srivaishnavasri Krishnamachariar swamy. If you had, then you will not exhibit your ignorance by asking the above question. This just the right example to "Kinatru Tavalai". Knowing only one side and exhibiting the ignorance. Sorry this ignorance is not a Bliss. ========================Quote===================================> q2: Others from this group have written to me saying that > Desikan is thenkalai only, but got "hijkacked" by brahminical > Vaishanvas to be their sole leader about 200 years ago, > and then started all the conversions. > > If you Think logically, Swami Desikan is in almost all the > temples including srirangam. Everywhere he is Vadakalai only, > so you have to accept what you see. > > What is your pramana for this? that Swami Desikan in Thenkalai ? ======================Unquote=================================== Good. Please note that the Thiruman became synonymous with the Kalai bEdham at a later date. Also once again I am sorry to say that you have only exhibited your state that you are not exposed to the writings of the Thenkalais at all. Plrase read the recent publications from the Author of Panchajanyam magazine, Sri Krishnamachariar swamy, title the "Koil Ozhugu- Part 3", in which he clearly proves, along with the court records that Sri Desikar in Srirangam was adorning only Thenkalai Thiruman and later, the original thirumEni has be replaced by the current only with Vadagalai thiruman, puporting the original one to lost. Also how many records do you want to prove that Sri Desikar sannidhi in his avathara sthalam, Thoopul, was indeed Thenkalai and he was adorning only the thenkalai thiruman in Thoopul, and conveniently converted to present day Vadagalai thiruman. Sri PBA Swamy has published numerous articles on this. If you would like to see it, please do let me know. I have a copy of this article and I can courier this to you. And lastly, let me close with one thing, as another member Sri BR Parthasarathy wrote, during Sri Emberumanar's time, there was only one thiruman. Needless to say that it is the current day Thenkalai thiruman. However, there were people with kalai bhEdams in their mind. One giving highest importance to nirhEtuka kripA and the other refuting this. This, difference in the due course took the form of Kalai bhEdham and have evolved into the present day vadagalai and thenkalai. A standing testimony to this is that almost all the divyadEsams, which practically adorn a thirumaN,are thenkalai barring a few, recently converted ones, 10 or 11 vadakalai. Thirumans. DEAR MODERATOR: PLEASE APPROVE THESE ANSWERS AS WELL. AS THESE ARE THE ULTIMATE FACTS. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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