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SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA
APPAN THIRUVADIGALE SARANAM.

Dear Smt.Nappinnai Accept my pranam.

Adiyen am an undergraduate,(due to family circumstances had to earn than to
learn). Yet Emperuman is very kind enough to place me in a comfortable position 
in life materially and spiritually. Adiyen am wondering as to why Emperumanis 
so partial towards me when many of my kith and kin do not enjoy such a 
position. He alone can explain.

Anyway, Adiyen am able to grasp the substances of your postings and offering my 
comments.(on thoughts of Physics)

1. suitable examples. Moon 
is not there when nobody looks at it. When a tree falls in the 
forest,the noise is not heard/no noise if there is no observer. You 
can keep on going like this. We have created the universe out of our 
consciousness(otherwise there is no universe)! Einstein was opposing 
this view till his last day. This crazy idea of Copenhagen 
Interpretation(matter doesn't exists untill an observer looks at it)

# Perhaps, these people require direct personal observance(Pratyaksha 
Pramana). This is not always possible and will not go to prove that the event 
did not happen or exist. (False,defective conclusions)

Also, it is not correct to deny facts because you are not involved

2. Locality:
What this means is that no action on my part can affect what other 
person sees. Quantum Theory is non-local and violates light barrier. 

# Fantastic

3. He doesn't decide to prepare the pizza after i order. So even 
before ordering,he must have the pizzas ready so that it can be 
delivered in 10 mnts. This is an example for local-ness. QT says he 
has telepathy(non-local,information travels faster than light)about 
what I'm going to order before-hand and keeps the pizza ready. Nobody 
will believe this

# Telepathy is not required for this. Only common sense and business acumen
will be sufficient. What kind of fantastic conclusions are being made!


4. Shankara's advaita suffers from fundamental logical flaw. 
# Sankara?s Advaita that there is only one Brahman is agreed by Ramanuja also. 
But, the way in which everything is explained varies. Sanakara had to invent 
on ?Avidhya?. 

It should either be a different one from Brahman
Or it should be Brahman itself. 

In both cases, Advaithic arguments are elusive and defective. They have been 
very well proved by Ramanuja.

To accept it or not is any body?s free will.
Ramanuja has proved well by Sareera sareeri Bhava.

5. most of the westerners are brainwashed by the advaita theory. Lots of 
germans do research in srivaishnavism. Most of the views of 
Copenhagen interpretation reflects advaitic views. 

# Unfortunate lot. Those who are doing research in Srivaishnavism will clear 
this mess. Let us hope so.

6. There is an ideally isolated system which contains a Geiger counter 
and placed near a radioactive source that emits gamma rays. the 
intensity of the rays is adjusted in such a way that in an hour,there 
is a 50% probability of the Counter to record one count. This counter 
is connected to a device,which when countoccurs,willshattera flask of 
deadly poison that would then fill the box where the cat is located.
there is a 50% probability that no count will occur leaving the box 
intact. Experimenter seals the box and leaves the system undisturbed
for an hr and at the end of the hr,Schroedinger asks: "what is the 
quantum mechanical state of the system just immediately before the 
box is opened and observation is made?" Acc. to QT,cat is half dead 
and half alive. It's only when the observer opens the box,does he 
determine the fate of the cat!

# The conclusion should be either the cat has gone asleep or the mechanism has 
failed mysteriously. By the way what is the cause that will set the devise in 
motion and what is the basis it will work?
It is like the story of two mothers claiming the baby as theirs and ready to 
take half of the baby evendead.

7. Determinism;
QT is non-deterministic,deals with statistical averages(randomness).
This uncertainty(Heisenberg and Bohr's complementarity principle is 
related to uncertainty)does not lie in our ability to measure but in 
Nature itself(nature is absurd!). Einstein sharply remarked that:"I 
can't believe that God plays dice with the universe". He totally 
disliked the fact that quantum theory implies that reality is 
observer-created. His thought experiment(subtle many people 
misunderstand incl his two collaborators)counter to Copenhagen 
interpretation was: Certain elements of reality exist in the world 
that are not described by the quantum formalism.
Einstein,Schroedinger,Dirac,Bell,Bohm were all opposing it staunchly. 
Only time can answer.

# Let us hope so.

8. Copenhagen interpretation was closed for almost 4 decades,only in the 
past decade,physicists started devising sensitive instruments(no 
where near Einstein's subtle thought experiment)to either prove 
Einstein's standpoint or refute Copenhagen interpretation. Another 
important aspect of QT is there is no attribute attached to the 
reality. Before I eat apple,apple would have had the attribute of 
sweetness(irrespective of my eating or not). But QT negates it. It's 
because of my eating(observer's knowledge)that apple has got the 
attribute. So many fat books have been written on QT and one can go 
on talking. But i wanted to post it to convey the message "the 
limitation of science". 

#QT appears to be fantastic. It is against realities; Perhaps by the influence 
of Advaitha.

9.A quote from Einstein(more than a wonderful theoretical physicist,he 
was a great human being,he was a free spirit,was easily approachable 
by anyone without barriers
"A human being is part of the whole(universe);a part limited in time 
and space. He experiences himself,his thoughts and feelings as 
something separated from the rest- a kind of optical delusion of his 
consciousness. This delusion is a kind of a prison for us,restricting 
us to our personal desires and affection for a few person nearest us. 
Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our 
circle of compassion to "embrace" all living creatures and the whole 
of nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely 
but the striving for such achievement,is in itself, a part of the 
liberation and a foundation for inner security"

# Hats off to Einstein! A wonderfulman.

10. Readers may wonder where I'm heading towards. But don't forget that 
Einstein was a firm believer in God. Karma on one side and Lord's 
grace on the other side!

# Smt.Nappinai madam, thanks for your educative posting.

Emperumanar had a kind heart and sound logic. He won over
his opponents and they became his disciples. Yet, the Advaitihic influence 
still persists. It is up to the new order who do research in Srivaishnavismto 
set things right. 

Adiyen Ramanuja dasan, T.parthasarathy.




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