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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Adiyen has some views that are a little different from this. As Smt 
Nappinnai mentioned in one of the earlier posts, satsangam is 
important. And the, members of the satsangam must understand the 
purpose, the goal and the rules. The idea of satsangam is to 
brainstorm, get more knowledge, get references to purvacharya's work 
etc. This adds value. One need not go through 16 years of what swami 
Nammazhwar went through, rather, use his experience via swami 
Nampillai's eedu vyakyanam. Similarly, we must bank on other's 
experience, for our life isn't enough to sit and meditate or 
experience ourselves. At the same time, meditation adds value in 
terms of giving a peaceful mind, thus, developing a discipline, 
giving an opportunity to digest what was learnt, to analyse and 
improve/correct those acts that we have performed etc. Whether it is 
satsangam(external knowledge) or introspection/meditation, it must be 
properly channelled. This group is a valuable satsangam. We all 
understand the purpose of this group i.e to understand our tradition 
better. As long as no one perceives personal offense, this is a great 
(virtual) place to participate, share, question, clarify and what 
not, about our sampradayam.

As swami pointed out, definitions of difference etc could be avoided 
until we reach a point where we first understand our sampradayam to 
the fullest extent. But at the same time, the meditation in the 
yogic/tantric senses are completely unnecessary, for, as azhwar 
said "oon vaada unnadhu uyir kavalittu... thaan vaada vaada thavam 
seyya venda", one need not control everything, sitting in a place to 
meditate. Our ancestors have gone through that pain to reveal the 
knowledge which is now readily available for us via our acharyans. We 
have to seek our acharyans and just grab that from them and share it 
with more and more people and "try to follow the same".

At this point I have a humble request. I see more questions coming 
in, but only very few are answered at a satisfactory layman level. I 
request great scholars like Shri Velukkudi Swami, Shri MAV Swami and 
other giants to drop a post once a while whenever they find time, to 
answer us, the ignorant ones, and help us too, to get past these 
chaos, one step at a time.

Kindly pardon my mistakes/ignorance.

Yatheendra Pravanam Vandhe RAMYA Jaamaataram Munim

Adiyen,
Ramanuja Dasan

--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, purohit@xxxx wrote:
> Adiyen
> 
> I lament the fact that Srivaishnavas in general are given to too 
much
> chattering about doctrines, dogmas, definitions of difference and
> positioning via-a-vis others, seeming to define themselves as 
separate and
> unique. What I would love to see is more meditation upon the 
refulgent form
> of Narayana. Meditation in the real sense of the Yogic/Tantic 
practices.
> Nammalvar meditated for 16 years before he spoke anything, and we 
speak too
> readily without even a reference to meditation/realisation. Its like
> discussing the taste of mangoes but never actually eating one.
> 
> Instead of meetings where bhaktas gather to chatter, condemn, and 
engage in
> self-praise while filling themselves on pongal and puli-odharai, I 
would
> like to see then sitting in silent meditation.
> 
> Adiyen
> 
> Sri Ram





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