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Dear Sri Sukumar, At the outset I am sorry for delay in response as I was out 
of station.

There is no doubt that the Lord is full of compassion and my posting is also 
about that only.

As far as comparing udayavar's compassion to the Lord, perhaps there may be two 
reasons for which we can conclude that sri rAmAnuja was more compassinate

1. The Lord had several compulsions and restrictions while granting salvation. 
He had to heed to sAsthra mariyAdhai - reckoning the good and bad deeds and 
decide accordingly. He does decide on His own even on this( veRidhEA aruL 
seivar, seivArgatku vugandhu), but generally by and large He goes by the good 
and bad deeds as per the sAsthric prescriptions. sri rAmAnuja did not have this 
restricitions and hence he can be more termed as compassionate.

I would like to refer thiru-voi-mozhi 4-10-6 " pORRi maRROr dheivam pENap 
puRath ittu, vummai innEA thEARRi vaithadhu
ellErum vEdu peRRAl vulagillai enREA...."

Edu commentary on this runs as follows: 'ellArum irundhadhE kudiyAga 
mOkshathaip peRRAl, lElaikku adiyAna sAsthram nirarthamAi vidum. sath karmathai 
paNNuvArum, asathkarmathai paNNuvArumAyiREa nAdudhAn iruppadhu;pApam 
paNNinavargaLum, puNNiyam paNNinavargaLudaiyaLudaiya palathai anubhavikkum 
anRu, sAshthra mariyAdhai kulaiyum....'

The essence of this is that the Lord has to maintain the rules framed by Him.

sri rAmAnuja did not have this restriction and hence definitely can be more 
liberal and freedom to do as per His will.

2. Further, we find from sri rAmAnujA's history that He threw open the 
philosophical studies to one and all who were interested which was earilier 
restricted to one-to-one study. This was out of His pure mercy.

Kindly refer to "OrAn vazhiyAi upadhEsithAr munnOAr, yErAr ethirAsar innaruLAl,
Asai udaiyOrkellam, AriyargAL kUrum enRu, pEAsi varmbu aRuthAr pin' upadhEsa 
rathinamAlai

Hence, rAmAnuja's compassion also had no bounds.

There is no doubt that Lord was the innermost propellor of sri rAmAnuja but 
should that eclipse sri rAmAnujA's great benign attitude.

We should also accept the fact that irAmAnusa nURRandhAdhi is dedicated to sri 
rAmAnujA by thiruvarangath amudhanAr and the prime focus was on sri rAmAnujA 
and him only. If I remember correctly -please correct me if I am wrong, this 
will fall under the category of nahi-nindhA nyAyam.

Thank you and regards
vanamamalai padmanabhan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: sukumar 
To: vanamamalai 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:12 PM
Subject: [Vanamamalai] DEGREE OF COMPASSION


Sri Krishnaya Namah!

The Lord is inside every soul -antharyAmi- and does only the good for them 
for their betterment. However, even the Lord can be termed as 
compassionless- parivu ilan Am padi - when compared to sri rAmAnujA who by 
his works and deeds granted salvation to one and all by descending to the 
earth from the Lord's abode.

I beg to differ as I believe that Lord being antharyami resides in the 
heart of Sri Ramanuja and propelled him to come down and save us. To this 
extent, Lord cannot be termed as compassionless, once we are agreeing as 
Him being antharyami and reason behind our action (all knowing, all 
pervading Lord).

Sukumar

Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah


-----Original Message-----
From: nsp [SMTP:aazhwar@xxxx]
DEGREE OF COMPASSION

How does one measure compassion?It is a subjective and relative one. Is it 
subject to comparison? It is not quanitifiable like bananas or oranges. 
Hence, can be termed as compassionate, more compassionate and most 
compassionate or no compassion.

Who is the most compassionate one? The Lord of course. He is the most 
compassionate Supreme Being who strives for our retrieval and again and 
again creates the universe and gives us opportunity directly or through 
AzhwAr-AchAryAs despite our indifference. He takes pity on us and tries to 
elevate us from this samsAra and grant us salvation. He resides in the 
inermost of our souls and thinks and does things for our good. He is thus 
the most compassionate being.
The first sUthram of AchArya hrdhayam will amply corroborate this point.
"kAruNikanAna sarvEswaran aRivilA manisar vuNarvenum chudarvilakku 
yERRi....."
The compassionate Lord bequeaths the sAsthric knowledge for the good of the 
souls for discerning between good and the bad.
He does not come in front of the soul as the soul may reject Him outright. 
Notwithstanding this indifference The Lord does good for the souls 
remaining in the backstage and seeing to it that the soul attains the 
benefit.

Full of compassion is the attribute of the Lord. Having said so, can His 
compassion be compared with Others? Is there any chance for anybody else to 
near to His compassion. Being a subjective phenomenon can this study be 
undertaken. After observing that He is the most compassionate one, it can 
be mathematically argued that nobody else can be as compassionate as He 
is.' He being less compassionate and anybody more' can be categorised into 
a null set.

Nevertheless, if somebody else can shower more compassion which in a way 
eclipses His, can it not be termed as less compassion or compassionless? 
That is really implausible. However, thiru arangahtamudhanAr in his 
'irAmAnusa nURRandhAdhi'
has dealt this very topic in the following pAsuram:

"vuL ninRu vuyirgaLukku vuRRanavE seiyyum , avarku vuyavE paNNum, paranum 
parivu ilan Am padi,
palluyirkum viNNin thalai ninRu vEd aLippAn em irAmAnusan maNNin 
thalthudithu, maRai nAlum
vaLarthananE" irAmAnusa nURRandhAdhi 95

The Lord is inside every soul -antharyAmi- and does only the good for them 
for their betterment. However, even the Lord can be termed as 
compassionless- parivu ilan Am padi - when compared to sri rAmAnujA who by 
his works and deeds granted salvation to one and all by descending to the 
earth from the Lord's abode.

AzhwAr emperumAnAr jEyar thirvadigaLE charaNam
vanamamalai padmanabhan



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