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Dear ms sumithra varadharajan,
Hundred percent true. I would like to recall periyAzhwAr thiru-mozhi pAsuram in 
this regard:
"dhOthu chenRAi kuru-pAndavarkAi angOr poich chuRRam pEasich chenRu, bhEdham 
seidhu engum piNam paduthai,
thiru mAl irunjOlai endhAi" 5-3-4

You went as a messenger talked all artifical relationships, divided and 
vanquished almost everybody there. Though this pAsuram is in the context of 
Lord performing deeds for His devotees, It is obvious from the reference that 
His mission was just a passing act for a larger act of the war.
thank you
vanamamalai padmanabhan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: sumithra varadarajan 
To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:09 PM
Subject: RE: [ramanuja] mission


Sri Parthasarathi thunai
Srimathe ramanujaya Namaha
Sri Vara Vara munayE Namaha

Actually krishna did not fail in his mission since he never wanted to stop the 
war. This is explicitly seen from krishna sahadeva samvadam before krishna went 
to the court of duriyodhana as pandava dhootha. Sahadeva says, " Krishna the 
war can be stopped without happening only if you dont go as pandava dhootha" 
and he even ties krishna to prevent him from going. Why did krishna want the 
war to occur? To fulfil the challenge of droupathi and make her tie her loose 
hair. Only if the war occurs duriyodhana and dhushshAsana will be killed 
thereby droupathi can massage her hair with their blood and tie her hair 
according to her vow. So krishna did succeed in what he wanted to do. 'Man 
proposes god disposes' but emperuman will never fail. Ofcourse he enjoys his 
defeat to his bhakthas but that is only due to his nirangusa svathantharyam and 
his sankalpam to accept defeat and make his bhaktha successful.

Adiyen ramanuja dAsee
Sumithra Varadarajan

sukumar <sukumar@xxxx> wrote:
Sri Krishnaya Namah!

Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender 
to, hence mission failure.

GOD IS BEYOND FAILURES & SUCCESS. HE JUST ENJOYS EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN 
UNIVERSE WITH TRUE BLISS(Krishna)

Yuga dharma plays a pivotal role in the prakruti and its inhabitants. Lord 
also acts as per the dharma, i.e., dwaparayuga and if He deem fit to have 
someone to surrender to Him, He, being the antharyami can get anyone to 
Him. It is all His leela and He acted as per the situation in that yuga, 
which is not better positioned when compared to threthayuga.

Lord Krishna has many facets to His persona. To understand Him is like 
digesting the whole of vedas, even that is not enough to understand Him. 
His stance itself is tribhangi and His birth itself is a magic. Maya 
engulfed in its entirety during His birth and to talk about Him or one of 
His gunas is very difficult as He has many personalities. Those who 
read Mahabharatha like a story can deem it a failure on His part, but if we 
look through His perspective, things will look different, and we can't do 
that because we are children of lesser gods and are not endowed with such a 
brilliance. Many things we assume and presume but understanding 
Parabrahman is not possible in one life time.


Sukumar


Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah!




-----Original Message-----
From: Chitra Madhavan [SMTP:csmadhavan@xxxx]
Sent: 17/10/2003 9:22 PM
To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ramanuja] mission

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Priya Bagavad Bandus

As per our Isthihasas it is true that SriRama naver went as a messanger, 
and only Sri Krishna did walk as a messanger.

But SriRama's messanger SriHanuman was successful in His mission,

Inspite of SriKrishna going as a messanger His mission was not successful.

Futhur thoughts on this :

Hanuman during His mission had His thoughts focused on SriRama and since He 
had surrendered to SriRama it was successful.

Whereas SriKrishna had nobody to focus His thoughts and no one to surrender 
to, hence mission failure.

Onceagain it proves that if surrender to our Acharya and leave our burdens 
to Him, He will make our life successful.

Azhvar EmperumaNar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam
Adiyen Chitra Ramanuja Dasee



Sri:
Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

A devotee once challenged Bhattar saying "Swamin! You
show great devotion to Sri Rama but not to Sri Krishna.
However, Lord Krishna is greater in one respect than
Lord Rama and even you cannot deny that".

Bhattar asked him "What is that?"

The devotee replied "Lord Krishna went as a messenger
for the Pandavas to the Kauravas. Lord Rama never did
such an act. Therefore, you have to accept that
Krishna is the more accesible form of the Lord".

Bhattar replied "You are saying this without reading
Azhvar's pasuram on thiru-evvuL.

Thirumangai Azhvar says,

munnOr thUthu vAnaraththin vAyil mozhindhu, arakkan
mannOr thannai vALiyinAl mALA munindhu, avanE
pinnOr thUthu AdhimannarkkAgip peru nilaththAr
innAr thuthanena ninRAn evvuL kidanthAnE

That is, it is the same Rama who sent a message through
Hanuman who later walked as a messenger Himself for the
Pandavas. Therefore, you cannot say that Sri Rama did
not go as a messenger.

However, even if you make such a claim, it is not that
Rama could not be a messenger. He was born as a king and
therefore no one asked Him to be one. Krishna was born
in the yadava clan and therefore it was easy for the
Pandavas to ask him to be their messenger. Had someone
asked Rama to be a messenger, He would have gladly
become one".

Azhvar Emberumanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Sharanam







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