Respected Swamy Accept Dasans'Pranams
Happy to have known references cited as well as Vishnu swamis webcite Which
adiyen keeping in favourites list for constant refence and mananam purpose.
Adiyens main doubt is sheshtwam being natural to jiva why it does not
spontaneously express itself.Karma main reason cited which adiyen is mulling
over and probably lack of understanding is the block.adiyen is sure to benifit
from references given and baghavatas kripa
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan
jayasartn <jayasartn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
SrI:
Respected swamin,
As for your query, the swathanthiryam of the jiva is due to
ignorance, according to Ramanuja's philosophy, caused by karma and
purva-vasanas. What actually happened in the beginning when creation
took place in the very very distant past (assumed) when the jiva was
(?!) Infinite as the Barhman, is explained in the beginning of the
first chapter of Acharya Hrudhayam. I think the translation of this
is available in the net.
Secondly how the chetana gets to desire different fruits, the best
of which is moksha is explained in verse 7-16 of Gita. I request you
to kindly go through the series of mails "Wonder as worship -
jignAsu' by Sri MK Sudharshan that are being currently published in
Tiruvenkatam / Oppiliappan list.
The actual transcendance or regress which, though seem to happen by
one's own will (swathanthiryam)is actually happening by the Will of
god is explained in chapter 13, of Gita, 'Daivaasura samapad vibhaga
yogam".
Another aspect to be taken into consideration is verse 10-10 of gita
in which the Lord says that He gives Buddhi to the one whom He wants
to lift. In short Gita gives a lot of insight into this aspect that
answers your question. But ramanuja philosophy adheres to complete
dependence of the jiva on Brahman. That means swathanthiryam is
denied to the soul. But srivaishmavism is divided on finer aspects of
prapatti from the point of view of swathanthiryam. The sect to which
I belong, namely Thenkalai does not see any any scope for
swathanthiryam even in doing prapatti. We take pramanam from
Mumukshuppadi which says that if you say that you do praaptti that
amounta to ahamkaaram (I do etc). It is the Lord who gives you the
rakshanam. Elsewhere in the same grantham, it is said that the lord
does not discard the one who does prapatti on his own.(It is in this
vein, the Lord as Sriman Narayana gives delivarance to worshippers of
other Gods too. This has been made out in my mails to Sri BAlaji's
queries recently)
But on impartial analysis of the sookhthis without adherence to any
one sect's ideology, this writer had written some mails on 'free-will
and pre-determination'in the Bhakthi-list about a couple of years ago.
The inference that was arrived at was that there is absolutely no
freedom or swathanthiryam to the jiva.If needed I will forward those
mails from my file.
Regards,
jayasree saranathan.
--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, vedantham chary
wrote:
>
> Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan
>
> It gives adiyen immence satisfaction to learn so much from learned
bhagavathas mails..only regret being not able to contribute any
thing due to inherent ignorance in DIVYAPRABHANDAMS.Adiyen is telugu
speaking and hence a handicap even in understanding language let
alone subtleness of the subject.However bhagavathas mails uplifted
adiyen so much and instilled confidence for which adiyen is ever
greatful.There are certain fundamentals which adiyen needs to
understand..Humanbeings are supposed strive for eliciting PERUMALS'
kripa is what generally religions preach.Is this not swathanthryam as
opposed to Sheshatwam and parathanthryam and hence may be preaching
not correct.Otherwise.how these seemingly contradictory concepts are
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