Dear Ms. nappinnai, Not that I am an expert in these matters especially not after smt. Jayshri sAranathan had left these things to specialists. However, I cannot resist writing this pAsura anubavam. which relates to shEshathvam. The soul's attributes are Anandham-enjoyment, knowledge-gnAnam; subservience-shEshathvam. Which of these is the predominant attribute of the soul? Sri rAmAnuja wanted to determine this and sent sri kUrathAzhwAn to thirukkOTTiyUr nambigaL, who after six months penance got the right answer from him. He mentioned the pAsuram "adiyEan vuLLAn, vudal vuLLAn...."8-8-2 of thiru-voi-mozhi. Sri kUrathAzhwAn was filled with glee and excitement and related this to swami yethirAja. AzhwAr while wanted to mention the presence of the Lord in the body and soul mentioned vudal-vuLLAn for the presence of the God in our bodies. However, while mentioing the presence of the Almighty in the soul -instead of telling -en-vuLLAn or AthmA-vuLLan- AzhwAr substitues "adiyEan" for soul. The very term "adiyEan" thus represents soul determining the fact the subservience is the primary and basic attribute of AthmA. The EDu is excellent in this regard: "ennuLLAn enna vEaNdumidathil, "adiyEan" vuLLAn engaiyAlEa, gnanam-AnAndham anRu vashtuvukku nirUpakam, shEshathvam engai. gnaAnAndhangaLilum andharangam bhagavath shEshathvam engai" That is, instead of mentioning ennuLLAn, by terming "adiyEan vuLLAn" it is decided that shEshathvam is the innermost attribute of the soul than Anandham and knowledge. rAmAnuja dAsan vanamamalai padmanabhan ----- Original Message ----- From: vaidhehi_nc To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: [ramanuja] Re:Seshatwam and pArathanthiryam Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya nama: Srimad Vara Vara Munaye nama: Dearest SowbhAgyavati Jayasree Saranathan, Hope you're doing great with the blessings of the Divine Couple. Your post was very....good. I neither have any expertise nor resoursces to pass comments on your post. I can only ask questions and doubts. Well, your posts and your name somehow make me think of the Lord selva piLLai. My favourite laksmaNa/ rAmAnuja is the one with selvapiLLai on his lap. Only a devotee like you can make a person like me to think of God. Can you explain/elaborate more on S and P from AzhvArs works if you have access? This is an important topic for those who wants to understand our sampradAyam clearly. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam dAsAnu dAsI NC Nappinnai azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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