Probably what you have said in lighter vein is correct. I have deduced some thing like this only. That the atman gows from single sense stage and that explains the perils of this earth now. In a lighter vein, the lord giving kataksham for anyone singing him, gave human form to all and thus the explosion. But what i am requesting from the learned members of this group is if there is some basis for these thoughts in our texts. dasan/raghavan Sheela Belur <bvsheela@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Following is only a conjecture (in lighter vein): Probably souls which had other bodies such as insects etc are getting human bodies. Hence population (of humans!) is increasing!!! Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Yes swamin. This is an etrnal cyle. So the SUM TOTAL of ATMAN is same in the universe. Now let us take the enlightened sould, who have done sranagathi in real, and are up above as nitya suri's to the lord. These atman never coms backto earth. By this way the population of the earth has to decrease. But it is increasing. Why? Can the learned men of this group explain this rationally for the welfare of us all. Aparadaan kshmasva. Dasan/raghavan Mukundan wrote: SrI: Dear SrI.Ramanujam, The following are purely based on my understanding by having attended a few kAlakshepams and svAdhyAyam. As it is easy for a learner to comprehend, we can take the lowkIka subject "science" which has concluded that our body is supporting plenty of living beings in and out. There are many pamANams for this in the eternal vEdAs (as we hear from elders, although I've not done vEdAdhyayanam). That's why our viSishtAdvaita siddhAntam clearly says that jeevans are countless and the cycle of creation-sustenance-destruction is also infinite (no Adhyantam) irrespective of whatever number of jeevans get salvation yugam-by-yugam. It is said that a jeevan, after enjoying a good life (or servitute to other dEvAs) in svarga lOkam is kicked out from there and reaches the atmosphere of our bhUlOkam head downwards. It enters the water in the cloud and comes down to earth. It enters the crops/plantations and then the grains. The male human being (or animal) consuming the grains gives place for the jeevan(s). Then the jeevan is either transferred to the female being(garbham) as part of the process of creation or is discarded out and has to undergo this process again..... all by the sankalpam of the Lord. (ref: 'VaiNavam - Or uraiyADal' by SrI.U.vE VN Gopala dEsikAchAr) Similar thing happens to all jeevans (whether from hell or heaven) until it does an upayam to reach His lotus feet. So, the jeevan is there while the gharbam starts. Although there are many simplified books available, aDiyEn advises you to undergo a traditional study under a sadAchAryan of our sampradAyam. dAsan Mukundan azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links Sheela V.Belur --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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