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Sri Balaji Sundarajan,

                     Death can come to a person in any
age, or in any way( accident , peaceful, disease
etc)If one is pure devottee  and die at the time of
death thinking  of perumal he will go to
Vaikuntha.Even if a pure devotte may not be  able to
think about perumal at that time Perumal will remember
him and will  take him there.For other people they
take birth according to the state of mind at the time
of their death.( they get a state of mind according to
the way they led that life.)They create their own body
for the next life.Those who commit suicide they dont
get any body at all . they wander with their subtle
body without getting any gross body .(Ghosts). Because
they didn't wait till their time of natural death.
they are punished.

Krishna dasee

Vedavalli Ranganathan.
--- Balaji Sundarrajan
<bsundarrajansrivilliputtur@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> 
>  
> 
>                                     Shri:
> 
>                 Shri Kaarimaaran thunai 
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Bhagavathaas
> 
> 
> 
> Pranaams.
> 
> Adiyaen is posing a question to find out the
> solutions from Our 
> 
> Vaishnavaa philosophy.
> 
> Please apologise me if these words are written to
> hurt any individuals/groups 
> 
> feelings. !!! It was not intended for that purpose. 
> 
> This is my long streching(stressing) un-answerable
> question. ??? 
> 
> As per bhagavad gita and our Kaari-maara-piraan , we
> indulge in 
> 
> the services of the lord, Worship Nothing but him
> ,Thinking of him 
> 
> always,singing the thiuvaaimozhi to reach
> Parama-padam(or Moksham) 
> 
> one day. Very Good !!! ... Nice.... 
> 
> Supporting Quotes: 
> 
> ***********************
> 
> Aluvan-Thozhuvan-Aadi-Kaan-pan Paadi-alarruvan.....
> 
> Naadeer Naal Naalthorum...vaadaa Malar Kondu.......
> 
> Thaal-kal Thalaiyil vanangi Naal kadalai kazhiminaey
> !!! 
> 
> - Kaari Maaran 
> 
> But this is for a IDEAL CASE. 
> 
> In most circumstances 50 % of people die
> pre-maturely in one way or the 
> 
> other way before they reach old age. such as a
> natural disaster due to 
> 
> Mother Nature , Accidents, Violence, un-caused
> violence ,uncaused 
> 
> death ,disease, suicides (due to
> wealth,health,passion or any other 
> 
> reasons ) etc. What is the status of these souls ? 
> 
> Will they get re-birth ? or They still attain
> moksham. 
> 
> 
> 
> Our Vishnu-chittar wrote : 
> 
> Yeippu Yennai Vanthu-Naliyum-pothu 
> 
> Aangethu Naan-Unnai Ninaikka Mattaen..
> 
> Appo-thaikku- Ippo-they Solli Vaithaen
> 
> Arangath-aravanai-Palli-Yaanae!!
> 
> we get moksham because we sing the above verse
> before 
> 
> our sudden death. 
> 
> Is this the way it works. ?
> 
> Or 
> 
> 
> 
> (Because) We Once sang/heared vishnu sahasranaamam
> fully through 
> 
> our ears..... That itself will do the needed
> Moksham. Ehi...eeehi ...eehi... !!!
> 
> Kannan Kalal-inai Nannum Manam-udaiyeer
> 
> Yennum thirunaamam thinnam Naara-na-mey !!! 
> 
> => Thereby points to Sahasranaamam.
> 
> - Kaarimaaran
> 
> Konjam -adjust panni... (paarthu -pottu -kudunga...
> like ordinary people 
> 
> speak in Market & grocery Store. ) 
> 
> -> will we get moksham like this way ?? 
> 
>  
> 
> I saw cases where they perform rituals as per hindu
> saastra , after a man dies
> 
> in Raameswaram, Kaasi , Gangai etc.. thinking that
> the soul will reach moksham..
> 
> by paying to Brahmin-Priest over there. Thereby
> overriding/ignoring the 
> 
> Karma-Vinai-Payan.
> 
> Karma-vinai(deeds) can not be overridden, even for
> Kaliyan (Thiru-mangai-mannan )
> 
> (Almighty blessed soul - Mayarvara mathinalam...),
> who got killed... to get 
> 
> moksham.. and not achieved a smooth salvation like
> Vishnu-chittar(Peri-Aazhwar) 
> 
> Reason is obvious : Our Almighty wanted to follow
> the rules(legislation) 
> 
> as per Vedas. (Isho-Upanishad thunders this point.
> about the fate of these 
> 
> soul-killers. ! ) 
> 
> What is the case of abortion doing women due to
> circumstances (any reason , 
> 
> in one way or the other way - they are also Soul -
> Killers !!! ) ?. Are they set 
> 
> to go to hell ? especially in India with 102+ crores
> of people. it looks 
> 
> fine to me to do abortion in the cause of saving the
> Mother earth (or Nature) !!! 
> 
> there by saving the agricultural output such as
> grains , food , space,
> 
> green mother nature, live-stocks, any other
> carni,herbi,omnivorous 
> 
> beings(or animals) providing more space for earth's
> nature !!!
> 
> Why i am telling all these obnoxious stories ?
> 
> I used to watch television occasionally (without
> involving by senses..) .., 
> 
> the channels like TLC , OLN,Discovery (TCL ->
> Learning Channel 
> 
> OLN -> ... Life Network.. [may be ] , ) !!!
> 
> They use to show a ghost
> simulation/feeling/experience. this is like a serial
> 
> shown ... non-stop .. every week !!! crossed more
> than 100's of devil episodes 
> 
> covering in devils of north america alone.
> 
> Some of the stories are very horrific as they screen
> like hearing from 
> 
> a live-witness !!! (not like our india where every
> pulia maram 
> 
> (Tamarind tree) is considered a Devil !!! and lot of
> devil stories 
> 
> spin around that Tree !!! 
> 
> [ Tamarind tree is the most Holy-tree , as it
> sheltered kaari-maaran , 
> 
> therfore most worshippable like Tulasi plant ! ] 
> 
> 
=== message truncated ===



                
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