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SrI:

It is indeed sickening to read these kind of
interprtations by these modern day 'gurus'. These 
"Moorkhas" should be ignored.

"Naathigarum Nal Kalaiyin * Nal Neriser Aathikarum
 Athiga naathigarumam ivarai* Orthu nenjE!
 munnavarum pinnavarum * Moorkharena vittu *
 nadu sonnavarai naalum thodar" - Upadesa Rathnamalai
- 68

"..... than nenjil thotrinathe solli * idhu suththa
upadesa vara vaattadenbar moorkkar avvar" - Updesa
Rathnamalai - 71.


Adiyen

Ramanuja Dasan
Sampath Kumar.


--- vimalkumar ranganathan <panardasan@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> SrI:
>  
> I like the Hare Krishna devotees for their
> simplicity, but the following is a little too much
> for me to digest, anyway helps me draw a line.
> Seriously, do we appear as objects of joke to
> ISKCON? Please read on completely, and also the
> story about the fishes and "free will" at the end. I
> think the greatest attribute of our ThennAchArya
> Sampradayam is not discussing anybody in a poor
> light. Even Sankara was given due respect.
>  
> -Adiyen.
>  
> 
> Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura in his Vani Vaibhava
> makes a nice statement to show how Sripad
> Ramanujacaya fits in to the overall plan of Sri
> Caitanya Mahaprabhu.       sripada ramanujaya
> visistha-dwaita siddhanta 
>       mahaprabhu gaudiya prema mandire bidhi
> swarupaAn interesting story follows, showing how
> Ramanuja came to assist in the pastimes of Sri
> Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this originally is found in the
> book of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur entitled Navadwipa
> Dhama Mahatmya and sheds the view of the Gaudiya
> Vaisnavas upon the mission, pastimes, and who came
> to help him, similar to how we are expressing here,
> but without the reasons, the concept of evolution of
> philosophy. 
>  "Once whilst Sripad Ramanuja Acarya was staying in
> Jagannatha Puri he offered prayers to Lord
> Jagannatha Who became very pleased. 
>  "Lord Jagannatha appeared before Sri Ramanuja and
> said, "Ramanuja, go and visit Sri Navadvipa, for
> very soon I shall appear there in the house of Sri
> Jagannatha Misra. Sri Navadvipa is My most beloved
> abode and is a part of the spiritual sky manifest in
> this world.  As My eternal servant and a leader
> amongst My devotees, you should go there.  Let your
> students stay here, for they are absorbed in 'dasya
> rasa' (servitorship in awe and reverence) and will
> not understand the advanced devotional mood (of
> spontaneous love of Godhead, 'raga-marg'). Travel
> there alone. Any living entity who does not go to
> see Sri Navadvipa has been born uselessly. Just one
> portion of Sri Navadvipa contains Ranga Kshetra,
> Venkateshvara and Yadava Acala. Therefore go to Sri
> Navadvipa and see My form of Gauranga. After gaining
> (My) blessings (there), go to Kurma Sthana and
> rejoin your disciples." 
>  "Folding his hands, Sri Ramanuja humbly requested
> Lord Jagannatha, "My dear Lord, You have mercifully
> told me something about Gauranga, but exactly who He
> is, I don't know." 
>  "The Lord answered, "It is known to you that Lord
> Sri Krishna, the Lord of Goloka, is the Supreme
> Absolute Truth. That much is well known to My
> devotees. That same Supreme Personality of Godhead
> who resides in Sri Vrindavana is fully manifest as
> Gauranga, and His beloved abode, Sri Vrindavana, is
> manifest as holy Navadvipa.  Navadvipa is the
> Supreme spiritual abode and it is transcendental to
> the influence of the material nature. In that divine
> land, Lord Gauranga eternally resides. By My mercy
> that holy abode has come to exist within this
> universe, but it remains completely unaffected by
> 'maya'.  This is the verdict of the scriptures. If
> anyone thinks that Sri Navadvipa is only a material
> location, then whatever devotion he has developed
> will wither and perish. By My will, My inconceivable
> energy preserves this transcendental abode within
> this material world. Simply by studying the
> scriptures, one will not be able to understand the
> Absolute Truth. Only by My mercy can My devotees
>  understand." 
>  "Hearing these words of Lord Jagannatha, Sripad
> Ramanujacarya was filled with love. "My dear Lord,"
> he said, "Your pastimes are truly astounding. The
> scriptures cannot fully describe Your opulence's.
> Why is 'Gauranga-lila' not described in the
> scripture? Upon reflection, I find some hint of
> 'Gauranga tattwa' in the 'Srutis' and 'puranas'.
> Now, however, all my doubts are gone and I am ready
> to execute Your will. If it is Your desire, I will
> go to Sri Navadvipa and from there, I will set out
> to preach about Lord Gauranga throughout the three
> worlds, giving evidence from the scriptures to all
> converting them to the devotional service of
> Gauranga. Please instruct me. You have just to give
> me Your order." 
>  "Lord Jagannatha replied, 'Sripad Ramanuja, do not
> broadcast in this way. Keep these secrets of Lord
> Gauranga's pastimes as they are for the present.
> Only after He has concluded His pastimes will the
> people in general come to understand them. Preach
> about Me on the level of 'dasya rasa' as you have
> always done, but within your heart worship Gauranga
> constantly.'" "Following Lord Jagannatha's order,
> Sripad Ramanujacarya secretly cultivated his
> attraction for Sri Navadvipa. Being very merciful,
> Lord Narayana led him to Vaikunthapura and showed
> him His transcendental form, worshipped by
> manifestations of His different energies. Sripad
> Ramanujacarya felt himself most fortunate to see
> this, but as he watched, the Lord manifested His
> form as Gauranga, the son of Jagannatha Misra.
> Sripad Ramanujacarya's mind became stunned by the
> brilliance of His shining golden form. Lord Gauranga
> then placed His two lotus feet upon Sripad
> Ramanujacarya's head, and Ramanujacarya filled with
> inspiration,
>  began to offer prayers. 
>  "Sripad Ramanujacarya said, "I must see Your
> pastimes when You appear here in Navadvipa My Lord.
> I shall never leave this place." 
>  "Lord Gauranga replied, "Your wish will be
> fulfilled, O son of Keshava. When My Navadvipa
> 'lila' is revealed, you will again take your birth
> here." 
>  "Lord Gauranga then disappeared. Greatly satisfied
> by the Lord's promise, Sripad Ramanujacarya returned
> to Kurma Sthana, where he joined his disciples.
> During his life he preached devotional service to
> the Lord in the mood of dasya rasa or servitorship
> through out the South of India, whilst internally he
> was absorbed in meditating on the pastimes of Lord
> Gauranga. By Lord Gauranga's mercy, he was born
> again in Sri Navadvipa as a devotee named Ananta to
> assist in the Lord's pastimes." 
>  "When Lord Caitanya made His appearance in Sri
> Navadvipa, Ananta Vipra was already quite old. He
> lived in a cottage which was situated beneath a huge
> old banyan tree. There, within this humble abode, he
> would worship his Deities of Lakshmi-Narayana. None
> could describe the pure way in which he worshipped
> Them. 
>  "Ananta was a very dear friend and neighbour of Sri
> Vallabha Misra. Sri Vallabha was very affectionate
> to him and treated him as his disciple. 
>  "On the most glorious day when Lord Gaurasundara
> accepted the hand of Srimati Lakshmipriya at the
> Misra's house, a huge festival was held and Ananta
> was invited. As the Vipra stood watching Lord
> Caitanya and Srimati Lakshmipriya sitting together
> during their marriage ceremony, dressed in gorgeous
> silks and jewels, he realised that they were none
> other than his beloved Sri Lakshmi Narayana. Unable
> to control his spontaneous emotions he began to
> dance like a madman. His hair stood on end and his
> whole body trembled.  Understanding, however, that
> his activities might seem a little inappropriate, he
> finally controlled himself and returned to his
> house. Entering his cottage, he sat down before his
> Sri Lakshmi-Narayana Deities and again became
> overcome with ecstatic love. He began to consider
> how his beloved Lordships had now manifested as Lord
> Gauranga and Srimati Lakshmipriya. He thought, "I am
> so fortunate to have personally seen Him, the
> Supreme Personality of Godhead. I, who am so
>  fallen and insignificant." As he sat there, Lord
> Gauranga, being very satisfied by his devotion
> appeared before him. The Lord was a beautiful golden
> colour and His bodily effulgence was brighter than
> millions of moons. He was dressed in first class
> silks and decorated with valuable jewels. He sat on
> a fabulous golden throne which was studded with gems
> and Srimati Lakshmi Devi at His side. 
>  "Lord Gauranga could understand what Ananta was
> thinking and manifested His four armed Narayana
> form. Seeing his worshipable Lord Narayana standing
> before him, the 'brahmana' fell down at the Lord's
> feet to offer prayers. The Lord, being controlled by
> His devotee's love, smiled charmingly at him. "O My
> beloved devotee," the Lord said, "By My will you
> have seen this form. Anyone who sees My form has all
> his desires fulfilled." Then after placing His lotus
> feet on Ananta's head, the Lord departed. Ananta
> became totally absorbed in remembrance of the Lord's
> Sri Navadvipa pastimes." 
> One can see from incidences like these, that these
> personalities were no ordinary conditioned souls, or
> for that matter sinful living entities, but directly
> the Lord's intimate, and trusted devotees. 
> More..... 
> Once Ramanuja was walking along with his 5 top
> sannyasi disciples. Stopping by a pond, he took some
> prasadam and threw half of it in the water for the
> fish.  Then he got up to walk on.  Just then the
> fish who had taken the prasadam assumed four-handed
> forms and rose up in the air, returning home, back
> to Godhead.  The 5 sannyasis stopped and begand to
> disrobe.  Ramanuja turned and asked them why they
> were not following.  They said, "We are thunder-
> struck.  Please explain what we have just seen. 
> Otherwise, how can we follow behind you in this
> condition?"  Ramanuja answered, "You've seen the
> power of taking maha-prasadam."  They answered, "But
> we are taking your maha-prasadam daily, and this is
> not happening to us."  Ramanuja said, "These
> creatures have no free will, and therefore make no
> offense. 
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