SrI: It is indeed sickening to read these kind of interprtations by these modern day 'gurus'. These "Moorkhas" should be ignored. "Naathigarum Nal Kalaiyin * Nal Neriser Aathikarum Athiga naathigarumam ivarai* Orthu nenjE! munnavarum pinnavarum * Moorkharena vittu * nadu sonnavarai naalum thodar" - Upadesa Rathnamalai - 68 "..... than nenjil thotrinathe solli * idhu suththa upadesa vara vaattadenbar moorkkar avvar" - Updesa Rathnamalai - 71. Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan Sampath Kumar. --- vimalkumar ranganathan <panardasan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > SrI: > > I like the Hare Krishna devotees for their > simplicity, but the following is a little too much > for me to digest, anyway helps me draw a line. > Seriously, do we appear as objects of joke to > ISKCON? Please read on completely, and also the > story about the fishes and "free will" at the end. I > think the greatest attribute of our ThennAchArya > Sampradayam is not discussing anybody in a poor > light. Even Sankara was given due respect. > > -Adiyen. > > > Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura in his Vani Vaibhava > makes a nice statement to show how Sripad > Ramanujacaya fits in to the overall plan of Sri > Caitanya Mahaprabhu. sripada ramanujaya > visistha-dwaita siddhanta > mahaprabhu gaudiya prema mandire bidhi > swarupaAn interesting story follows, showing how > Ramanuja came to assist in the pastimes of Sri > Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this originally is found in the > book of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur entitled Navadwipa > Dhama Mahatmya and sheds the view of the Gaudiya > Vaisnavas upon the mission, pastimes, and who came > to help him, similar to how we are expressing here, > but without the reasons, the concept of evolution of > philosophy. > "Once whilst Sripad Ramanuja Acarya was staying in > Jagannatha Puri he offered prayers to Lord > Jagannatha Who became very pleased. > "Lord Jagannatha appeared before Sri Ramanuja and > said, "Ramanuja, go and visit Sri Navadvipa, for > very soon I shall appear there in the house of Sri > Jagannatha Misra. Sri Navadvipa is My most beloved > abode and is a part of the spiritual sky manifest in > this world. As My eternal servant and a leader > amongst My devotees, you should go there. Let your > students stay here, for they are absorbed in 'dasya > rasa' (servitorship in awe and reverence) and will > not understand the advanced devotional mood (of > spontaneous love of Godhead, 'raga-marg'). Travel > there alone. Any living entity who does not go to > see Sri Navadvipa has been born uselessly. Just one > portion of Sri Navadvipa contains Ranga Kshetra, > Venkateshvara and Yadava Acala. Therefore go to Sri > Navadvipa and see My form of Gauranga. After gaining > (My) blessings (there), go to Kurma Sthana and > rejoin your disciples." > "Folding his hands, Sri Ramanuja humbly requested > Lord Jagannatha, "My dear Lord, You have mercifully > told me something about Gauranga, but exactly who He > is, I don't know." > "The Lord answered, "It is known to you that Lord > Sri Krishna, the Lord of Goloka, is the Supreme > Absolute Truth. That much is well known to My > devotees. That same Supreme Personality of Godhead > who resides in Sri Vrindavana is fully manifest as > Gauranga, and His beloved abode, Sri Vrindavana, is > manifest as holy Navadvipa. Navadvipa is the > Supreme spiritual abode and it is transcendental to > the influence of the material nature. In that divine > land, Lord Gauranga eternally resides. By My mercy > that holy abode has come to exist within this > universe, but it remains completely unaffected by > 'maya'. This is the verdict of the scriptures. If > anyone thinks that Sri Navadvipa is only a material > location, then whatever devotion he has developed > will wither and perish. By My will, My inconceivable > energy preserves this transcendental abode within > this material world. Simply by studying the > scriptures, one will not be able to understand the > Absolute Truth. Only by My mercy can My devotees > understand." > "Hearing these words of Lord Jagannatha, Sripad > Ramanujacarya was filled with love. "My dear Lord," > he said, "Your pastimes are truly astounding. The > scriptures cannot fully describe Your opulence's. > Why is 'Gauranga-lila' not described in the > scripture? Upon reflection, I find some hint of > 'Gauranga tattwa' in the 'Srutis' and 'puranas'. > Now, however, all my doubts are gone and I am ready > to execute Your will. If it is Your desire, I will > go to Sri Navadvipa and from there, I will set out > to preach about Lord Gauranga throughout the three > worlds, giving evidence from the scriptures to all > converting them to the devotional service of > Gauranga. Please instruct me. You have just to give > me Your order." > "Lord Jagannatha replied, 'Sripad Ramanuja, do not > broadcast in this way. Keep these secrets of Lord > Gauranga's pastimes as they are for the present. > Only after He has concluded His pastimes will the > people in general come to understand them. Preach > about Me on the level of 'dasya rasa' as you have > always done, but within your heart worship Gauranga > constantly.'" "Following Lord Jagannatha's order, > Sripad Ramanujacarya secretly cultivated his > attraction for Sri Navadvipa. Being very merciful, > Lord Narayana led him to Vaikunthapura and showed > him His transcendental form, worshipped by > manifestations of His different energies. Sripad > Ramanujacarya felt himself most fortunate to see > this, but as he watched, the Lord manifested His > form as Gauranga, the son of Jagannatha Misra. > Sripad Ramanujacarya's mind became stunned by the > brilliance of His shining golden form. Lord Gauranga > then placed His two lotus feet upon Sripad > Ramanujacarya's head, and Ramanujacarya filled with > inspiration, > began to offer prayers. > "Sripad Ramanujacarya said, "I must see Your > pastimes when You appear here in Navadvipa My Lord. > I shall never leave this place." > "Lord Gauranga replied, "Your wish will be > fulfilled, O son of Keshava. When My Navadvipa > 'lila' is revealed, you will again take your birth > here." > "Lord Gauranga then disappeared. Greatly satisfied > by the Lord's promise, Sripad Ramanujacarya returned > to Kurma Sthana, where he joined his disciples. > During his life he preached devotional service to > the Lord in the mood of dasya rasa or servitorship > through out the South of India, whilst internally he > was absorbed in meditating on the pastimes of Lord > Gauranga. By Lord Gauranga's mercy, he was born > again in Sri Navadvipa as a devotee named Ananta to > assist in the Lord's pastimes." > "When Lord Caitanya made His appearance in Sri > Navadvipa, Ananta Vipra was already quite old. He > lived in a cottage which was situated beneath a huge > old banyan tree. There, within this humble abode, he > would worship his Deities of Lakshmi-Narayana. None > could describe the pure way in which he worshipped > Them. > "Ananta was a very dear friend and neighbour of Sri > Vallabha Misra. Sri Vallabha was very affectionate > to him and treated him as his disciple. > "On the most glorious day when Lord Gaurasundara > accepted the hand of Srimati Lakshmipriya at the > Misra's house, a huge festival was held and Ananta > was invited. As the Vipra stood watching Lord > Caitanya and Srimati Lakshmipriya sitting together > during their marriage ceremony, dressed in gorgeous > silks and jewels, he realised that they were none > other than his beloved Sri Lakshmi Narayana. Unable > to control his spontaneous emotions he began to > dance like a madman. His hair stood on end and his > whole body trembled. Understanding, however, that > his activities might seem a little inappropriate, he > finally controlled himself and returned to his > house. Entering his cottage, he sat down before his > Sri Lakshmi-Narayana Deities and again became > overcome with ecstatic love. He began to consider > how his beloved Lordships had now manifested as Lord > Gauranga and Srimati Lakshmipriya. He thought, "I am > so fortunate to have personally seen Him, the > Supreme Personality of Godhead. I, who am so > fallen and insignificant." As he sat there, Lord > Gauranga, being very satisfied by his devotion > appeared before him. The Lord was a beautiful golden > colour and His bodily effulgence was brighter than > millions of moons. He was dressed in first class > silks and decorated with valuable jewels. He sat on > a fabulous golden throne which was studded with gems > and Srimati Lakshmi Devi at His side. > "Lord Gauranga could understand what Ananta was > thinking and manifested His four armed Narayana > form. Seeing his worshipable Lord Narayana standing > before him, the 'brahmana' fell down at the Lord's > feet to offer prayers. The Lord, being controlled by > His devotee's love, smiled charmingly at him. "O My > beloved devotee," the Lord said, "By My will you > have seen this form. Anyone who sees My form has all > his desires fulfilled." Then after placing His lotus > feet on Ananta's head, the Lord departed. Ananta > became totally absorbed in remembrance of the Lord's > Sri Navadvipa pastimes." > One can see from incidences like these, that these > personalities were no ordinary conditioned souls, or > for that matter sinful living entities, but directly > the Lord's intimate, and trusted devotees. > More..... > Once Ramanuja was walking along with his 5 top > sannyasi disciples. Stopping by a pond, he took some > prasadam and threw half of it in the water for the > fish. Then he got up to walk on. Just then the > fish who had taken the prasadam assumed four-handed > forms and rose up in the air, returning home, back > to Godhead. The 5 sannyasis stopped and begand to > disrobe. Ramanuja turned and asked them why they > were not following. They said, "We are thunder- > struck. Please explain what we have just seen. > Otherwise, how can we follow behind you in this > condition?" Ramanuja answered, "You've seen the > power of taking maha-prasadam." They answered, "But > we are taking your maha-prasadam daily, and this is > not happening to us." Ramanuja said, "These > creatures have no free will, and therefore make no > offense. === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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