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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Namaskaram Jai Simman Prabhuji

> Dear Mano Prabhu,
> 
> Hare Krishna.
> Please accept my humble obeisances.
> 
> I read your mail on the list. In all humility, I beg
> forgiveness if you have felt Sripad Ramanujacharya or
> the Sri Sampradaya slandered or joked at in any way.
> That has never been the intent in the least.

I just don't understand why this was addressed to me !

Let me put things in perspective, this thread was started by Sriman 
Vimal Kuamr Ranganthan on 13th Oct (refer to message 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/message/58830)

Therefore, you asking for forgiveness in all humility has to 
relevance to me.

What I did was, merely adding my comments to this topic.

If you wanted to respond to my comments, then you should have 
addressed my following comments in the message
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/message/5909

"I suggest one should be careful while dealing with the other 
sampradayas. Their bhajans and nice way of talking could mislead 
some away from Sri Vaishnavam".

Followed by

"Did Lord Jaganatha ever instruct Sri Ramanajacharya to lie?
Why So? What is so secret about Chaitanya's pastimes ?"

I don't wish to get into a futile lengthy debate.

However, I wish to clarify that the subject of this thread was on 
how Ramanujacharya was portrayed in the Navadvipa Dham Mahatmya, a 
work authored by the foremost Gaudiya acharaya Bhaktivinod Thakur.

I Quote Sriman Vimal Kumar  

"I like the Hare Krishna devotees for their simplicity, but the 
following is a little too much for me to digest, anyway helps me 
draw a line. Seriously, do we appear as objects of joke to ISKCON? 
Please read on completely, and also the story about the fishes 
and "free will" at the end. I think the greatest attribute of our 
ThennAchArya Sampradayam is not discussing anybody in a poor light. 
Even Sankara was given due respect."

Sriman Vimal Kuamr was highlighting how Ramanujacharja was depicted 
in the Navadvipa Dhama Mahatmya and he had also mentioned these 
 
"our ThennAchArya Sampradayam is not discussing anybody in a poor 
light. Even Sankara was given due respect."

The point is - had any Sri Vaishanava acharyas (eg Pillai 
Lokacharya, Vedanta Desikan or Manavalamamuni etc)  
comments on other Vaishnava sampradya's acharyas {eg Madhvacharya, 
Nimbarka etc) or divive incarnations that would amount to be 
labelled as "slanderous"

As such, I find sermon to me is totally irrelevant to this topic.

Here are few extracts from Navadiviap Dhama Mahatyma 

Madhvacharya in Navadvipa Dhama Mahatmya 

One night, as Madhva lay sleeping, Lord Gauranga appeared to him in 
a dream. The Lord told Madhva, "It is well known to everyone that 
you are My eternal servitor. When I appear here in Navadwipa, I will 
accept your sampradaya. Travel everywhere and carefully uproot all 
the false scriptures of the mayavadis and reveal the glories of 
worshipping the personal form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 
Later, when I appear, I will personally broadcast your pure 
teachings." The Lord then disappeared. 
When Madhva awoke, he was astonished and as he remembered the Lord 
he began to cry in separation, saying, "Will I ever see that 
beautiful golden form again?" A celestial voice from the sky 
replied, "Worship Me secretly and you will come to Me." 
 
Nimbarka in Navadvipa Dhama Mahatmya 

"Mahaprabhu said, 'Please keep this form secret now. Just preach 
Krishna bhakti and the pastimes of Radha and Krishna, for I am very 
happy in these pastimes. When the form of Gauranga will appear, He 
will enjoy His educational pastimes. Just at that time you will take 
birth in Kashmir, and as a pandit out to defeat all opponents, you 
will tour India. You will be celebrated everywhere for your great 
learning and will be called Kesava Kashmiri. While wandering in 
Navadvipa, you will come to Mayapur. The great learned men of 
Navadvipa, when they hear your name will flee. Intoxicated with 
scholastic studies, I will then take pleasure in defeating you. 
However, by the mercy of Sarasvati, you will realize My identity, 
give up your own pride, and take shelter of Me. At that time I will 
give you the gift of bhakti and will send you out to preach 
devotional service again. Thus you can satisfy Me by preaching the 
philosophy of Dvaita Advaita, keeping My identity secret."

Adiyen 

Yatiraja Ramanuja dasanudasan






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